S5.E17: Reunion, Part 1

[ZettaK]

Judging from the previews:

There is going to be a lot of screaming.

There is going to be a lot of backstabbing of supposedly good friends.

There are going to be some interesting revelations.

So, a typical HW reunion.

There are two "safe" words: opa, and besos!

First aired on 1/22/2025.

Edited Thursday at 01:27 AM by ZettaK

[Straycat80]

A lot of spray tan on that stage too! 

[rlc]

Hey Bronwyn- if this was such a secret and personal matter, why did you choose to discuss it on a tv show in the first place?

[Marley]

Lisa is just a bitch. Her crying is so fake.

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, rlc said:

Hey Bronwyn- if this was such a secret and personal matter, why did you choose to discuss it on a tv show in the first place?

I wondered about that, too, and maybe Bronwyn decided to get in front of it herself before it became a headline for the gossip sites and bloggers. 

Not sure, but didn't Bronwyn know before filming that Lisa knew Gwen's father's family?  Maybe Bronwyn felt that she couldn't trust Lisa to keep quiet about it, so decided to put it out there herself, so she could kind of get her own spin on it.

But, I agree - that is really not something that should have been discussed anywhere in front of a camera.

[njbchlover]

34 minutes ago, Marley said:

Lisa is just a bitch. Her crying is so fake.

I don't think Lisa looks that good lately - I don't know whether it's her lips or something, but she isn't as attractive as she was before.  She always seems to have a sour look on her face, like her Diet Coke went bad or she ate a bad meal from Taco Bell.

And, yes, she is a bitch, and one that can't, for one second, keep her mouth shut and let someone else speak.  She talked over everyone - including Andy Cohen.  Even with closed captioning on, it was hard to decipher what was being said.

And, Lisa thinks she's fooling everyone with that fake crying bullshit.  That tissue that she kept folding and dabbing her eyes with did not have one little smudge of any makeup - no face makeup, no mascara, no eye shadow, no concealer - nothing.  If there had been any tears at all, she would have at least had some makeup residue even if she used a makeup setting spray, especially since it looks like she wears very heavy makeup. 

Edited Thursday at 03:49 AM by njbchlover

[ZettaK]

Todd is still angry (on tonight's Watch What Happens Live) at Lisa because she mentioned on the Bravo aftershow that Bronwyn told Gwen's grandparents, her father (and others) she had a miscarriage. 

Whitney said the Alibaba stock photo of (her) jewelry was replaced immediately. But why was the photo which showed the actual jewelry posted in the first place? It was because it was the same jewelry. Not a great explanation by Whitney who avoided answering. 

Bronwyn repeated a rumor (that Angie then perpetuated) about Lisa's G Wagon being repossessed in association with claiming she has a boyfriend. Was it alluded that the boyfriend bought the car for her, or that she couldn't afford it?

So, Bronwyn didn't buy the $4 million necklace, or anything else from that jeweler because she ordered a more wearable one, but after what was said at the reunion (which filmed a little more than a month ago) she decided not to buy anything from them. But the scene about trying and wearing the necklace was earlier in the season which filmed from February to May. It doesn't take that long to custom create a piece of jewelry, does it?

Lisa's commercial about Kerastase hair products aired during the reunion. 

Heavy makeup on some of the women, especially the blush (eg. Bronwyn). 

Edited Thursday at 08:47 AM by ZettaK

[princelina]

Heather's face? 😳. Yikes!

I was checking to see if Bronwyn had the rabbit teeth fixed - didn't seem so at the reunion, but definitely on WWHL!

From far shots Mary looks like she's wearing a bathrobe; closeups make her look like a Disney villain; specifically some kind of troll because of that collar. If you want to wear something like that you have to sit up straight!

I get a kick out of the beta males lined up behind their wives, trying to act like alphas 😂

[dancingdreamer]

Lisa is either yelling or fake crying. Something  is going on with her. I said that in the regular  season,  but I just can't  pinpoint it.

Is Bronwyn  coming  back next season,  I hope so. I think  she'll  fit in better, plus I don't  think Heather  wants her back.

I didn't  get much out of this reunion, I thought  it was going to be more explosive. 

[swankie]

Why are Bronwyn and her douche husband saying Lisa said Bronwyn faked a miscarriage when it was Bronwyn's daughter's estranged grandparents who said they thought Bronwyn had a miscarriage?  I can't stand how people spin conversations on these shows to fit their own narrative.  I can't stand Bronwyn or her husband.  She's a lying liar who lies! 

[ZettaK]

6 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

Is Bronwyn  coming  back next season,  I hope so. I think  she'll  fit in better, plus I don't  think Heather  wants her back.

Andy Cohen invited Bronwyn to Watch What Happens Live three times (the last time was yesterday), so he wants her to return for a second season. She didn't go to the women's dinner after the reunion. And at the first part of the reunion she said that she would like to know Whitney who she ignored all season, and she forgave Angie because she obviously doesn't have any allies. 

Edited Thursday at 12:57 PM by ZettaK

[Chatty Cake]

I didn’t like grandpa Todd’s nasty tone with Lisa at the end of part one. His wife opted to do the show and out her daughters deceased father and his parents as deadbeats.  

[bosawks]

The  try for juxtaposition of Whitney lying about her fake jewelry and Bronwyn lying about buying her real jewelry amused me.

You want to think you're different but you're just a variation on a theme.

Edited Thursday at 12:06 PM by bosawks

[BloggerAloud]

It was truly wild watching both Andy and Meredith trying to get Lisa to do anything remotely resembling empathy.

I thought it was funny when Mary talked about Heather and her chance in confidence and how she used to be ridiculed, as if she wasn't one of those people who did lol

[65mickey]

Right. Whitney's so called explanation as to why her jewelry, and it wasn't just one piece, looks exactly like jewelry sold on Alibaba made no sense. She is lying. Just like Bronwyn is lying about wearing borrowed jewelry. Brownyn also lied about buying the plane tickets for everyone for the couples trip. You can tell when she gets called out for lying her facial expression changes to one of confusion and concern. 

I cannot follow what happened with Lisa and the miscarriage story. Who told Gwen's father and grandparents that Bronwyn had a miscarriage? And when did the grandparents find out that they had a granddaughter? You would think that after losing their son they would have moved heaven and earth to have Gwen in their lives. There is something missing from this story. 

[JenE4]

3 minutes ago, BloggerAloud said:

It was truly wild watching both Andy and Meredith trying to get Lisa to do anything remotely resembling empathy.

It was wild that it went on for so long with everyone telling Lisa, she’s hurt, just apologize, and Lisa stayed on the attack. Any reasonable person the first time Bronwyn was visibly upset and said I don’t want any of this on camera, I never told ANYONE who Gwen’s father was, etc, would have immediately shut their damn mouth and said they’re sorry, offer some empathy, and let Andy move on to another subject. But Lisa just kept doubling down and adding MORE details about this family on camera! It was truly astounding that she could be that heartless and self-centered. Then finally her big “apology” was crying, I’m sorry that you hate me and I’m a terrible person! I find it hard to find any redeeming qualities in this person. Everyone else might have their moments of being in the wrong, but they also have moments where they show a lot of empathy and understanding toward each other. Lisa is like an apex predator—use that weakness to take them down, unless she has something to be gained personally, such as taking the hurt person’s side to attack someone else, but is never just there for the person. I assume there’s exceptions and I feel like she’s never been this bad before, but this season it was difficult to find much to like about Lisa.

[BloggerAloud]

I read the funniest thing about the Todd/John Barlow getting loud with each other at the end.

"I didn't know John Barlow could put the bass in his voice, but I know if I was Todd I wouldn't let someone who can't even parallel park talk to me crazy."

[ZettaK]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

I cannot follow what happened with Lisa and the miscarriage story. Who told Gwen's father and grandparents that Bronwyn had a miscarriage? And when did the grandparents find out that they had a granddaughter? You would think that after losing their son they would have moved heaven and earth to have Gwen in their lives. There is something missing from this story. 

According to what was said on the show, Gwen's grandparents found out about her when this season was filming, or about. I assume Bronwyn told them/her boyfriend she had a miscarriage in the past, very soon after she found she was pregnant. Her boyfriend passed away a few years after they broke up.

2 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

I didn’t like grandpa Todd’s nasty tone with Lisa at the end of part one. His wife opted to do the show and out her daughters deceased father and his parents as deadbeats.  

When we know now that the grandparents/boyfriend thought Bronwyn had a miscarriage.

Edited Thursday at 01:42 PM by ZettaK

[65mickey]

 Bronwyn kept her daughter a secret all these years from her grandparents? Then she chooses to go on a reality TV show and think this won't come out? So who told them about Gwen or did they just happen to see Bronwyn on the show and put two and two together?  

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

Right. Whitney's so called explanation as to why her jewelry, and it wasn't just one piece, looks exactly like jewelry sold on Alibaba made no sense. She is lying. Just like Bronwyn is lying about wearing borrowed jewelry. Brownyn also lied about buying the plane tickets for everyone for the couples trip. You can tell when she gets called out for lying her facial expression changes to one of confusion and concern. 

I cannot follow what happened with Lisa and the miscarriage story. Who told Gwen's father and grandparents that Bronwyn had a miscarriage? And when did the grandparents find out that they had a granddaughter? You would think that after losing their son they would have moved heaven and earth to have Gwen in their lives. There is something missing from this story. 

Why would she use an Alibaba photo as a placer unless the jewelry was Alibaba? Legally, I don't think you can use a brand's stock photo unless the item advertised is from that brand, and If you're going to use a random brand's photo, wouldn't Tiffany or even Zales have better impact?

 

I couldn't follow the miscarriage story either. It went from maybe they thought you had a miscarriage to accusations of lying about having had a miscarriage. Agreed there's a lot missing from this story

[Rlb8031]

35 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

According to what was said on the show, Gwen's grandparents found out about her when this season was filming, or about. I assume Bronwyn told them/her boyfriend she had a miscarriage in the past, very soon after she found she was pregnant. Her boyfriend passed away a few years after they broke up.

When we know now that they thought Bronwyn had a miscarriage.

Bronwyn says she didn't keep the pregnancy secret, that Gwen's dad's family knew all about it, and that her father reached out to the grandfather after Gwen was born to try to broker a discussion and the family never responded. 

The key part of the story, which came out almost in passing, was that Gwen's dad was married at the time of his death. Since he died before Gwen was born, he was either married at the time or married soon after he and Bronwyn slept together.

The miscarriage story appears to be an effort by the dad's family to do damage control as to why they didn't try to meet Gwen for the past 18 years.

[ZettaK]

21 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

 Bronwyn kept her daughter a secret all these years from her grandparents? Then she chooses to go on a reality TV show and think this won't come out? So who told them about Gwen or did they just happen to see Bronwyn on the show and put two and two together?  

Bronwyn told Gwen's grandparents about her. Lisa said Gwen looks like her late father. 

Edited Thursday at 01:47 PM by ZettaK

[SweetieDarling]

9 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I don't think Lisa looks that good lately - I don't know whether it's her lips or something, but she isn't as attractive as she was before.  She always seems to have a sour look on her face, like her Diet Coke went bad or she ate a bad meal from Taco Bell.

Lisa's face and neck look rough. She (and Bronwyn for that matter) could use an appointment or 2 at Beauty Lab. I think her fast food diet may be catching up to her

[snarts]

3 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Why would she use an Alibaba photo as a placer unless the jewelry was Alibaba? Legally, I don't think you can use a brand's stock photo unless the item advertised is from that brand, and If you're going to use a random brand's photo, wouldn't Tiffany or even Zales have better impact?

She used the supplier's stock photo. She, Alibaba & likely many jewelry companies source their products from the same supplier. They then brand/package it. Adding the word curated makes it sound fancy, when that simply means the pieces were individually chosen. 

Sourcing from the same product supplier happens everywhere, across all industries/products. Jewelry is just one that allows for huge variability in pricing versus something like cheese which is more of a commodity. Kraft may be $5 while the store brand is $4 for the exact same product whereas Alibaba may sell a gold plated ring for $10 but the Kendra Scott or David Yurman branded version sells for $100.

[SweetieDarling]

4 minutes ago, snarts said:

She used the supplier's stock photo. She, Alibaba & likely many jewelry companies source their products from the same supplier. They then brand/package it. Adding the word curated makes it sound fancy, when that simply means the pieces were individually chosen. 

Sourcing from the same product supplier happens everywhere, across all industries/products. Jewelry is just one that allows for huge variability in pricing versus something like cheese which is more of a commodity. Kraft may be $5 while the store brand is $4 for the exact same product whereas Alibaba may sell a gold plated ring for $10 but the Kendra Scott or David Yurman branded version sells for $100.

 I get that, I'm just saying you wouldn't use a stock photo of a pair of Sears Toughskins to sell Ralph Lauren jeans

[dmeets]

FFS Lisa, just admit that your loyalty is to the grandparents.

Also, Lisa should be thankful to Angie who, without the high body count hair drama, wouldn't have given Lisa the opportunity to plug Kerastase and score her an actual advertisement for them.

Edited Thursday at 02:19 PM by dmeets

[bosawks]

9 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

 I get that, I'm just saying you wouldn't use a stock photo of a pair of Sears Toughskins to sell Ralph Lauren jeans

I'm not saying Whitney would but I'm not saying Whitney wouldn't.....

[rlc]

I hate that the show last night is making me sound like a Lisa apologist, but that was all kids of BS. Lisa does not need to apologize for something she discussed on the after show. Bronwyn chose to go on a reality tv show, and then chose to have this discussion (and show a photo) to Lisa while being FILMED FOR A REALITY TV SHOW. She does not then get to pick and choose which storylines are on or off limits. Who does she think she is, Kyle Richards? Lisa did not do anything malicious. She saw the photo, and realized she knew the previously unnamed father. She has a relationship with the family, and they either lied about knowing they had a grandchild, or did not know. Either way, that has nothing to do with Lisa. Regardless of what was said on the after show, it all would have come out when Bronwyn chose to make it a storyline that she had an 18-year-old daughter by a man she had previously been in a relationship with. 

[Pi237]

Lisa's a narcissist who seems incapable of true empathy.  Its always about how everything affects Her.  I doubt she has any friends who aren't sycophants or useful to her in some way, mainly financially.   However, Bronwyn didn't come across as totally honest to me. Both with the jewelry and the miscarriage accusation, she's not very adamant or clear on what Exactly went down. She keeps repeating what is said as a question, 'I didn't buy the necklace?' 'I told them I had a miscarriage?'.  It comes across like she's hiding or distorting some facts.  And there's a lot of reasons to be angry with Lisa, but Bronwyn opened the grandparents door. She learned a lesson about being on a reality show. You can't pick and choose only the truths that make you look sympathetic. Especially if your 'friend' is Lisa. 

[65mickey]

Didn't Bronwyn say on an earlier episode that Todd bought the 4 million necklace for an anniversary present? She didn't say they took it home on approval.  And  Pi237 is correct. Bronwyn did not respond about  the jeweler saying that she has bought nothing from them. She just acted all shocked and insulted  when called out on it. 

The story about her daughter, the father and the grandparents seems to keep evolving. It now sounds like Gwen's father was married when he and Bronwyn got together. There is a whole lot of back story to this. I doubt that she kept information from her daughter about her grandparents and her father to protect the child. She did it to protect herself. And the fact that she lied and told the father that she had a miscarriage is beyond the pale of decency. I mean if she didn't tell the father who did?  

[JenE4]

22 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Didn't Bronwyn say on an earlier episode that Todd bought the 4 million necklace for an anniversary present? She didn't say they took it home on approval.  And  Pi237 is correct. Bronwyn did not respond about  the jeweler saying that she has bought nothing from them. She just acted all shocked and insulted  when called out on it. 

The story about her daughter, the father and the grandparents seems to keep evolving. It now sounds like Gwen's father was married when he and Bronwyn got together. There is a whole lot of back story to this. I doubt that she kept information from her daughter about her grandparents and her father to protect the child. She did it to protect herself. And the fact that she lied and told the father that she had a miscarriage is beyond the pale of decency. I mean if she didn't tell the father who did?  

I thought the story, as shared during the season, was that they were 19-year-old college students, and when Bronwyn got pregnant it brought so much shame to this other family that they wanted nothing to do with her or the baby, and I presumed they basically made their son break up with her and deny the existence of this child lest it bring shame to them within the Mormon church. I’m not sure that the father was married and died before the baby was born—just somewhere over the last 18 years was married and passed away? But maybe I missed something there. I also never got the impression she never told the father or the grandparents about the existence of Gwen. It seems to me they all knew Bronwyn was pregnant—yadda, yadda Mormon church, easier to put their head in the sand and pretend this baby never existed, so the miscarriage seems like an excuse by the grandparents than some scheme by teenaged Bronwyn. But I had a hard time following all of the screaming, so maybe Lisa was saying what Bronwyn portrayed on TV was a lie…at least according to the grandparents?

Edited Thursday at 04:04 PM by JenE4

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, rlc said:

I hate that the show last night is making me sound like a Lisa apologist, but that was all kids of BS. Lisa does not need to apologize for something she discussed on the after show. Bronwyn chose to go on a reality tv show, and then chose to have this discussion (and show a photo) to Lisa while being FILMED FOR A REALITY TV SHOW. She does not then get to pick and choose which storylines are on or off limits. Who does she think she is, Kyle Richards? Lisa did not do anything malicious. She saw the photo, and realized she knew the previously unnamed father. She has a relationship with the family, and they either lied about knowing they had a grandchild, or did not know. Either way, that has nothing to do with Lisa. Regardless of what was said on the after show, it all would have come out when Bronwyn chose to make it a storyline that she had an 18-year-old daughter by a man she had previously been in a relationship with. 

I agree that it makes it tricky for the cast when you make something a storyline, but you expect your castmates to be very careful with what they say, whether that's what Bronwyn went through with this family or someone like Kyle making Morgan and her marital problems her storylines. 

I do see a lack of compassion for Bronwyn and Gwen from Lisa. She seems to really feel for the grandparents, but only the grandparents. 

1 hour ago, Pi237 said:

Lisa's a narcissist who seems incapable of true empathy.  Its always about how everything affects Her.  I doubt she has any friends who aren't sycophants or useful to her in some way, mainly financially.   However, Bronwyn didn't come across as totally honest to me. Both with the jewelry and the miscarriage accusation, she's not very adamant or clear on what Exactly went down. She keeps repeating what is said as a question, 'I didn't buy the necklace?' 'I told them I had a miscarriage?'.  It comes across like she's hiding or distorting some facts.  And there's a lot of reasons to be angry with Lisa, but Bronwyn opened the grandparents door. She learned a lesson about being on a reality show. You can't pick and choose only the truths that make you look sympathetic. Especially if your 'friend' is Lisa. 

Bingo. I also believe Lisa about the jewelry, but again, it felt very mean and unprofessional of that jeweler. Who would want to do business there?

3 hours ago, BloggerAloud said:

I read the funniest thing about the Todd/John Barlow getting loud with each other at the end.

"I didn't know John Barlow could put the bass in his voice, but I know if I was Todd I wouldn't let someone who can't even parallel park talk to me crazy."

That's hilarious! I admit I have no room to make fun though. I try to avoid parallel parking at all costs. 

[Rlb8031]

1 hour ago, JenE4 said:

I thought the story, as shared during the season, was that they were 19-year-old college students, and when Bronwyn got pregnant it brought so much shame to this other family that they wanted nothing to do with her or the baby, and I presumed they basically made their son break up with her and deny the existence of this child lest it bring shame to them within the Mormon church. I’m not sure that the father was married and died before the baby was born—just somewhere over the last 18 years was married and passed away? But maybe I missed something there. I also never got the impression she never told the father or the grandparents about the existence of Gwen. It seems to me they all knew Bronwyn was pregnant—yadda, yadda Mormon church, easier to put their head in the sand and pretend this baby never existed, so the miscarriage seems like an excuse by the grandparents than some scheme by teenaged Bronwyn. But I had a hard time following all of the screaming, so maybe Lisa was saying what Bronwyn portrayed on TV was a lie…at least according to the grandparents?

It's a little fuzzy because it sounded in the earlier versions of the story like the father may never have gotten the chance to see Gwen. So, while his death may have been within a year or two of her birth it definitely wasn't portrayed as being years after she was born. 

I agree with your assessment. I also wonder about this being portrayed as Bronwyn bringing this out. Again, she showed Lisa a photo to prove that Gwen looked more like her dad than she did her mom. Lisa said that she knew the family. I'm going to have to go back and watch because I don't recall if Bronwyn told the story at that point, or if it came out after Lisa took it upon herself to reach out to the family and say that she had met Bronwyn. I do remember the meal with Lisa, John and Bronwyn where John talked about his adoption journey and the fact that Lisa basically bulldozed her way through his contact story. He was clear that if he had to do it over, he would not have reached out or allowed her to do the same. She just seems like she's overstepping in a big way considering Gwen has only and the grandparents didn't consent to any of this. Even if Bronwyn put it out there, Lisa was under no obligation to pick it up and run with it.

[SweetieDarling]

not to defend Lisa, but it sounds like she likes Gwen's grandparents and has never encountered the type of behavior from them that Bronwyn described, so maybe in her narcissistic mind she thought she was being the great uniter. A hero. Instead, she opened a whole can of worms and alleged lies. 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 05:40 PM by SweetieDarling

[albarino]

4 hours ago, rlc said:

Lisa does not need to apologize for something she discussed on the after show. Bronwyn chose to go on a reality tv show, and then chose to have this discussion (and show a photo) to Lisa while being FILMED FOR A REALITY TV SHOW. She does not then get to pick and choose which storylines are on or off limits.

Thank you!  I honestly have no idea why people go on these reality shows and then complain about how their past is portrayed.  I am not sure why Lisa has to apologize.

It is also good to know the Alibaba jewelry photos were just placeholders.  😀  

[Marley]

John getting all thought with Grandpa Todd makes me laugh.

[Chatty Cake]

Lisa doesn't owe Bronwyn an apology. Perhaps the grandparents thought that she had a miscarriage or perhaps that was an excuse for never reaching out. Theres really no way to know unless Andy brings them out with Britani. Whatever the case, Todd needs to mind his manners when speaking to these people. He is no better than any of them. John ought to kick his fat ass. 

Why is Angie first chair? I don’t mind her but the Greek act is getting old. Real Greek people don’t run around yelling about how Greek they are all the time. That video of her dancing for Jen Shah was absolutely disgusting. Her and Monica are both climbing kiss ass suck ups for a spot on a show.

I think it’s funny that the jewelry rep ratted out Bronwyn. I’m guessing Bronwyn was acting uppity  and Todd was probably a dick to her and then didn’t even buy shit from her so she turned on them. Bronwyn can always buy from her new friend Whitney’s Its Not Alibaba But It Kind of Is Alibaba collection. 

 

[Marley]

Bronwyn was on WWHL & said she never bought any jewellery from the jeweller because the jeweller talked to Lisa but on the reunion she was acting as she had already bought the smaller necklace so something isn't adding up.

[JenE4]

8 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

Whitney’s Its Not Alibaba But It Kind of Is Alibaba collection. 

 

So Google tells me that Alibaba is not a manufacturer of goods but rather a B2B platform for wholesale product sourcing, meaning sourcers/store owners can go there to purchase wholesale items from manufacturers. So it sounds like to me this manufacturer sells their wholesale products on Alibaba and some other place, like maybe a direct website, so Whitney purchased it from the manufacturer on this other site. It’s like a larger scale version of manufacturers selling things on Amazon when they also sell them in stores and/or their own site. I guess technically it’s not an Amazon product but I still bought it from Amazon, despite Amazon just being the middle man platform to purchase (when it doesn’t come from an Amazon warehouse). But then someone turning around and saying ooooh, that’s Amazon…when it’s still “name brand XYZ.” That being said, it sounds like Alibaba is known for hosting the transactions of cheap wholesale products. I don’t know whether everything is cheap, but presumably Whitney wouldn’t be paying more getting it directly from the manufacturer vs the manufacturer selling it through Alibaba.

[Marley]

The real question is who is dying to buy jewellery from Whitney Rose anyways lol.

[ladle1]

I don't usually find Andy amusing. However, he had me cackling when they were talking about Angie being a backup dancer in Jen Shah's video, and they had discussing it for a while when Andy confusedly piped up, "Does Jen Shah have a music video?" Just his delivery of that line had me rolling! It was very much an "*Andy has entered the chat*" type of moment. 

 

[ichbin]

What a bunch of obfuscating phonies!

Angie can play innocent or dumb all she likes, but what she was doing in Jen Shah's WAP video was playing back up to Jen, plain and simple.  The bigger issue is that she played along with it at all, but let's pretend it had nothing at all to do with her aspirations of getting a snowflake.

Lisa is insufferable and has been through all five seasons.  Just because Bronwyn is in only her first season doesn't make Bronwyn any less full of it.  From the ever changing necklace tale, to the manner of just how or if Toddles was unfaithful, up to suddenly claiming Lisa said that Bronwyn claimed to have had a miscarriage.  The stories keep on changing.  What Bronwyn does do well is her presentation, but wrapping shit in a pretty package doesn't make it any less than shit.

Just exactly who is this Mary showing up for season five who bears little resemblance to the person by the same name in the first four seasons?

Whitney...pretty girl but she has come up with some real humdingers, not the least of which is that placeholder photo story.  Let me see if I understand this, she is providing Ali Baba style jewelry to those who can't afford the original??? I honestly couldn't comprehend what she was getting at.  
 

Heather doesn't bother me much.  At least she is articulate.  The worst about her is that whole eye nonsense from last year and I can't help but think there were production shenanigans at play in how that was handled and how the truth should be revealed. The same holds true with her relationships with certain people on the show. I suspect she does as she is directed.

 

 

[ladle1]

9 hours ago, JenE4 said:

But Lisa just kept doubling down and adding MORE details about this family on camera! It was truly astounding that she could be that heartless and self-centered. Then finally her big “apology” was crying, I’m sorry that you hate me and I’m a terrible person! I find it hard to find any redeeming qualities in this person. Everyone else might have their moments of being in the wrong, but they also have moments where they show a lot of empathy and understanding toward each other. Lisa is like an apex predator—use that weakness to take them down, unless she has something to be gained personally, such as taking the hurt person’s side to attack someone else, but is never just there for the person.

It may sound extreme but when Lisa shared that story about nobody wanting to come to her sweet son's birthday party, I clocked her as a sociopath with no boundaries. Who shares that information about heir kid for the world's entertainment? 

Side note: I adore Henry. I also adore Elektra. I kind of wish we could have a palate cleanser miniseries that's just the two of them meeting new reptiles.

[ladle1]

8 hours ago, Rlb8031 said:

The key part of the story, which came out almost in passing, was that Gwen's dad was married at the time of his death. Since he died before Gwen was born, he was either married at the time or married soon after he and Bronwyn slept together.

Oh my gosh, this is why I come onto the message boards! You're so right! Why didn't I clock this?! I realize that things work differently in the Mormon world, but it would be super odd for Gwen's dad to get Bronwyn pregnant and then, in the span of nine months, 1) break up with her; 2) marry someone else; and 3) pass away. Like, it's technically possible but that's such a short timeline!

And Bronwyn's dad only left one message for Gwen's grandparents, alerting them to Gwen's existence? You'd think for something that important, you'd ensure that the person got the message? Why are they so confident he did get the message?

I agree, there is so much information missing here.

ETA: Okay wait, I see from the interwebs now that he actually died when Gwen was a toddler. So, perhaps more of a plausible timeline.

Edited Thursday at 10:31 PM by ladle1

[Natalie68]

18 hours ago, princelina said:

Heather's face? 😳. Yikes!

I was checking to see if Bronwyn had the rabbit teeth fixed - didn't seem so at the reunion, but definitely on WWHL!

From far shots Mary looks like she's wearing a bathrobe; closeups make her look like a Disney villain; specifically some kind of troll because of that collar. If you want to wear something like that you have to sit up straight!

I get a kick out of the beta males lined up behind their wives, trying to act like alphas 😂

 

First of all, it looked like she used White Out on her chiclets, she holds her lips weirdly and the face fillers! Was she going for aging starlet?  Why???

Mary's choker made her look neckless.

Lisa looks like shit. No one her age needs hair that dark.

Meredith is, um Meredith. PLEASE LEAVE!

Angie, got nothing

Britini, WHY?

9 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

Lisa's face and neck look rough. She (and Bronwyn for that matter) could use an appointment or 2 at Beauty Lab. I think her fast food diet may be catching up to her

Please no.  We have seen the owners face.

[Natalie68]

7 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I agree that it makes it tricky for the cast when you make something a storyline, but you expect your castmates to be very careful with what they say, whether that's what Bronwyn went through with this family or someone like Kyle making Morgan and her marital problems her storylines. 

I do see a lack of compassion for Bronwyn and Gwen from Lisa. She seems to really feel for the grandparents, but only the grandparents. 

Bingo. I also believe Lisa about the jewelry, but again, it felt very mean and unprofessional of that jeweler. Who would want to do business there?

That's hilarious! I admit I have no room to make fun though. I try to avoid parallel parking at all costs. 

If I had money and in the mood for something giant expensive and the salesperson was leaking my info, I would let all my other rich friends know.  Seems like a real problem for a sales clerk at an expensive jewelry store to be blabbing. 

1 hour ago, ladle1 said:

It may sound extreme but when Lisa shared that story about nobody wanting to come to her sweet son's birthday party, I clocked her as a sociopath with no boundaries. Who shares that information about heir kid for the world's entertainment? 

Side note: I adore Henry. I also adore Elektra. I kind of wish we could have a palate cleanser miniseries that's just the two of them meeting new reptiles.

OR does DNA testing on her husband who is adopted and tried to connect with his birth family when he clearly said he didn't want to know anything.  Then they wanted nothing to do with him. I have no words.

[RedInk]

Bronwyn has this strange, very rehearsed air about her that reads insincere. Like a politician’s wife. Like she wants appear diplomatic and controlled, but then there’s cussing & insults.
Also not a Lisa apologist, but the story went from Lisa relating that the grandparents thought Bronwyn had suffered a miscarriage to Lisa telling everyone Bronwyn lied about having a miscarriage…which doesn’t seem to be true. And from the grandparents shunning Bronwyn to keep up appearances to someone leaving a message once about the baby. This is painful any way you look at it, but I lose sympathy when you channel your trauma to attack someone else. If the topic is off limits, don’t engage.
There’s a pattern of deflection. Bronwyn doesn’t buy the necklace she claimed to own, then said she ordered a smaller one, then when confronted about buying neither, turned it into an issue with the agent for not being discreet, trashed her, and used that as an excuse for why she didn’t buy any jewelry. Which she said she owned at the reunion. “I almost wore it.” 🫤

Edited Friday at 02:31 AM by RedInk

[pasdetrois]

2 hours ago, ladle1 said:

I clocked her as a sociopath with no boundaries.

I've thought this about Lisa for a long time. She treats her family like accessories.

[heatherchandler]

5 hours ago, ladle1 said:

I don't usually find Andy amusing. However, he had me cackling when they were talking about Angie being a backup dancer in Jen Shah's video, and they had discussing it for a while when Andy confusedly piped up, "Does Jen Shah have a music video?" Just his delivery of that line had me rolling! It was very much an "*Andy has entered the chat*" type of moment. 

 

What WAS that all about?  Does Jen have a video?

[njbchlover]

3 hours ago, RedInk said:

Bronwyn has this strange, very rehearsed air about her that reads insincere. Like a politician’s wife. Like she wants appear diplomatic and controlled, but then there’s cussing & insults.
Also not a Lisa apologist, but the story went from Lisa relating that the grandparents thought Bronwyn had suffered a miscarriage to Lisa telling everyone Bronwyn lied about having a miscarriage…which doesn’t seem to be true. And from the grandparents shunning Bronwyn to keep up appearances to someone leaving a message once about the baby. This is painful any way you look at it, but I lose sympathy when you channel your trauma to attack someone else. If the topic is off limits, don’t engage.
There’s a pattern of deflection. Bronwyn doesn’t buy the necklace she claimed to own, then said she ordered a smaller one, then when confronted about buying neither, turned it into an issue with the agent for not being discreet, trashed her, and used that as an excuse for why she didn’t buy any jewelry. Which she said she owned at the reunion. “I almost wore it.” 🫤

There are definitely a lot of holes in all of these stories with Bronwyn, especially with the jewelry.

She did say, on the reunion, that they decided to have a necklace made like the one shown, except smaller in carat size - but, I don't think she specified they were using the same jeweler.  That necklace was basically just a channel-set tennis necklace - just with massive stones.  Any reputable jeweler could reproduce that in a heartbeat.

The whole thing with the jeweler struck me as kind of suspicious anyway, because I don't recall that sales person arriving at the Palm Springs rental house with any kind of security guard or anything.  If she was carrying jewelry with that much value, she should have had at least one armed guard with her at all times.  

Celebrities who borrow jewelry for red carpet and awards events are shadowed by security hired by the jeweler - why would it be okay for this woman to just show up at a random Airbnb rental without one?   

Lisa really seems to know a whole lot of people in high end positions.  She knows this LA jeweler, she knows stylists and celebrities that seem to reach out to her for any old thing.  Does she know all these people from her past as an event planner?  I mean, I don't recall ever hearing her name like you hear of Colin Cowie or Preston Bailey.  

But, anyway, I agree that Bronwyn does appear to be well-rehearsed in her responses and explanations, however, I think she sometimes stumbles over certain things because they just aren't true.  Judge Judy always used to tell people that if you're telling the truth, you don't have to struggle to keep your story straight.  Some of these women should heed that advice.

 

Edited Friday at 03:30 AM by njbchlover