TwirlyGirly January 22 Share January 22 While one couple is caught between truths and lies, a heated argument pushes another couple to come clean about their feelings. ➡️Air date: 1/28/2025 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/
Retired at last January 22 Share January 22 I hate it when they make the episodes sound like something is going to happen, and then it doesn't. If the heated argument is between Em and Ick, we have already seen it - more than once. And, we know that Michelle is going to take his lie and be so happy that for once, she is not the bad guy. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8561063
atomic Yest. at 01:28 AM Share Yest. at 01:28 AM Not David sticking with this ridiculous cousin story even with the guys. 😩 Madison sure looks guilty during Michelle's retelling of the sexting story. And from that look on Karla's face, she has clocked something between Madison and David too. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566301
kristen111 Yest. at 01:54 AM Share Yest. at 01:54 AM It’s plain to see that Michelle can’t stand David. So, why all the arguments and things she says to him? For someone who hates him, why bust his chops for every little thing? Madison reminds me of a man. 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566337
atomic Yest. at 01:59 AM Share Yest. at 01:59 AM So bored of all these intimacy conversations. Get to the Denise convo already! 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566344
Crashcourse Yest. at 02:09 AM Share Yest. at 02:09 AM Tom is a sturdy man, but Camille isn't a lightweight, so when she jumped on him when he was lying on the bed, I was afraid she was going to break his back. Karla needs to stop with this woo-woo crap and eat more. Madison looks like she could beat somebody up with her face. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566358
kristen111 Yest. at 02:11 AM Share Yest. at 02:11 AM Can Madison say a sentence without laughing every minute? Freakin annoying. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566359
atomic Yest. at 02:34 AM Share Yest. at 02:34 AM Oh please, Madison. Allen did not call you a hooker. Her sensitivity over feeling judged sure is rich after she judged Allen all season. 7 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566371
Doublemint Yest. at 02:41 AM Share Yest. at 02:41 AM who is this old lady wearing a slip and giving instructions? Gross. 2 1 1 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566383
Crashcourse Yest. at 02:43 AM Share Yest. at 02:43 AM Why is this woman with Juan and Karla in a skimpy slip? Whyyyyyy?????? 😱 1 1 1 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566385
kristen111 Yest. at 02:46 AM Share Yest. at 02:46 AM Yeah, I could just see my husband doing these rose exercises. He’d be out the door in two seconds, lol. 2 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566388
Crashcourse Yest. at 02:49 AM Share Yest. at 02:49 AM Especially if an old woman in a teeny slip showed up! 🤣 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566392
kristen111 Yest. at 02:49 AM Share Yest. at 02:49 AM Oh good Lord. More exercises. Madison is not ready for marriage. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566393
EXEAL Yest. at 03:03 AM Share Yest. at 03:03 AM If Allen and Madison go their separate ways on decision day I will say that Allen dodged a bullet. Run Allen run. 6 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566404
atomic Yest. at 03:08 AM Share Yest. at 03:08 AM Madison just manufactured a fight to have an excuse to run into David's arms. 8 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566409
EXEAL Yest. at 03:09 AM Share Yest. at 03:09 AM Both Michelle and Madison are very good at manipulating situations so they come off as the victim. I'm sure both have had a lot of practice. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566411
princelina Yest. at 05:28 AM Share Yest. at 05:28 AM (edited) Michelle and Madison have been smug and superior to their Huzzbins this whole time and people have noticed - they're loving a chance to come off as a victim! I did chuckle because Madison was happy to tell Allen's friends, at their wedding, about her great beauty, so I guess it did take her by surprise to see him struggling not to say "slutty" 😂. Tonight she went from "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful" to "Woe is me - I'm so much more than a pretty face" in a real hurry! Both humble brags, BTW. I think she'd look great next to a man with a curly front-side pony! Bring on the couples' retreat!! Edited Yest. at 05:29 AM by princelina 7 1 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566465
Racj82 Yest. at 06:05 AM Share Yest. at 06:05 AM 3 hours ago, atomic said: Oh please, Madison. Allen did not call you a hooker. Her sensitivity over feeling judged sure is rich after she judged Allen all season. I mean, he used the word transactional. He was at a lost for the proper word but that word makes it sounds like he thought she only had sex if she got something in return....like money. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566481
Jeanne222 Yest. at 06:10 AM Share Yest. at 06:10 AM I'm still having a hard time telling Michelle and Madison apart! Sigh. Allen was very appealing when he explained how she does seem a party girl. She said I'm going to make a call and doesn't return until 2am! I thought he finally stopped acting like a weenie and seemed more manly. Carla and Juan. No just no. The show is sinking to bring in a woman in a nightee and suspicion she wasn't wearing underwear?? Lordy she must have been 60! Carla no boobs. I don't even think she has nipples. Emem isn't going to sign divorce papers. Jokes on what's his name! 5 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566487
Bees52 Yest. at 09:32 AM Share Yest. at 09:32 AM 7 hours ago, kristen111 said: It’s plain to see that Michelle can’t stand David. So, why all the arguments and things she says to him? For someone who hates him, why bust his chops for every little thing? Madison reminds me of a man. This situation reminds so much of that season, maybe it was number 3 or 4, where Ashley pretty much couldn't stand Dave for about 6 weeks, and then got angry when she heard it through the grapevine- I think it was a text then too- that he was talking to other women. Oh never mind, now that I think about it we've seen this type of situation several times over the past seasons. 🙄 4 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566531
Madding crowd Yest. at 12:07 PM Share Yest. at 12:07 PM Juan and Karla don’t even show a spark of attraction to each other. Why was the tantric yoga lady wearing lingerie and did she just leave her house like that? Why was she participating in the flower thing? Very cringe. Also cringe: listening to every detail of Thomas and Camille’s sex life then seeing it in action. She recognizes Thomas is a good man but she doesn’t really want him. Poor Madison, it’s so hard being a raving beauty! She’s attractive but hardly gorgeous. Allen can do better. David is probably cheating but Michelle is unlikable and only looking for an excuse to end her marriage. She needs to work on herself. Ikechi seems like the most boring date ever. Enem can do much better. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566543
Empress1 Yest. at 12:16 PM Share Yest. at 12:16 PM 8 minutes ago, Madding crowd said: Why was the tantric yoga lady wearing lingerie and did she just leave her house like that? Why was she participating in the flower thing? She looked and acted like she was trying to have a threesome with them, which was really weird. 12 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566545
ChipsandDips Yest. at 02:21 PM Share Yest. at 02:21 PM Madison is not as beautiful as she thinks. She is a bit masculine looking. Tantric Granny was soooooo inappropriate! They blurred out her bottom so obviously no panties. Poor Juan would need a caseload of Viagra for that! 7 1 1 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566604
seacliffsal Yest. at 02:47 PM Share Yest. at 02:47 PM So, Madison was really mad and hurt that Allen saw her as a party girl/flirt/etc., when she herself took pride in telling us at the beginning of the season that she was a party girl/flirt/etc.? Also, Allen was right that she had been making judgemental comments towards him all season so how is it different? Oh, that's right, she's absolutely beautiful (her perspective, not mine) and, as we all know, it's hard to be beautiful... I think that Michelle is more hurt/mad that it's obvious David no longer is trying to woo/win her. During the first half of the season she withheld and he tried to work with her and make minimal changes for her. But now? It's obvious he has moved on and it really bothers her. However, I think David's facade of nice guy slipped a bit-crossed arms and refusing to give reasons as to why he didn't want to call his cousin? David, just so you know, nobody is buying it. Camille and Karla always look smug to me. I think Thomas is really trying and is a nice guy (who will be hurt in the long run whether they stay together or not on decision day). I also think Juan could be a nice guy who just can't take his wife seriously (and, quite frankly, neither can I). I so had to face forward their yoga session with that instructor who doesn't know how to appropriately dress IMO. Oh, and Ikechi needs to stay in Houston for the rest of the season so that I don't have to listen to him or see him. Emem is 'out' but still going through the motions. Next week looks so good-hopefully it will be worth watching this mess of a season for that couple's retreat! 6 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566626
atomic Yest. at 03:27 PM Share Yest. at 03:27 PM 9 hours ago, Racj82 said: I mean, he used the word transactional. He was at a lost for the proper word but that word makes it sounds like he thought she only had sex if she got something in return....like money. He said he was struggling to find the right word and I think he misspoke. I've noticed he often uses the wrong words similar to Clint from MAFS Nashville (he said Madison looked "ravenous" when he meant "ravishing", said Madison "refuted" his advances when he meant "rebuffed"). He went on to elaborate that because he got the initial impression that she's a superficial party girl, passionate, deeply meaningful sex wouldn't really be her thing. Probably not a great thing to say, but he was immediately remorseful, and I do think she blew it way out of proportion by staying out all night and giving him the cold shoulder rather than talking it through. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566650
Racj82 Yest. at 03:45 PM Share Yest. at 03:45 PM 15 minutes ago, atomic said: He said he was struggling to find the right word and I think he misspoke. I've noticed he often uses the wrong words similar to Clint from MAFS Nashville (he said Madison looked "ravenous" when he meant "ravishing", said Madison "refuted" his advances when he meant "rebuffed"). He went on to elaborate that because he got the initial impression that she's a superficial party girl, passionate, deeply meaningful sex wouldn't really be her thing. Probably not a great thing to say, but he was immediately remorseful, and I do think she blew it way out of proportion by staying out all night and giving him the cold shoulder rather than talking it through. Yeah, i said he was struggling to find the right word. That's what he chose. Some people will take it how she took it. He never really found the right word and kept floundering to explain himself. I get it. He saw her as a party girl. But, he already threw a word out there in error. You can't help or judge how it will make someone feel. It is what it is. I don't think she should of gotten so upset about first impressions. But, I feel like at this point, he is just having to avoid landmines left and right. He would of eventually said something to upset her. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566665
Retired at last Yest. at 04:12 PM Share Yest. at 04:12 PM The more I see of the "real" Camille, the more I dislike her even more than I already did. She is not a nice person - she is cold and mean. She enjoyed "punishing" Tom when he was late to the anniversary thing (because he was buying her something) and she was happy to punish him by making him run sprints. Last night, she showed how she truly does like being in charge and punishing him with pain or power or whatever she felt like. I am not interested in 50 shades of MAFS, and I do not like Camille. She has had a smirk of condescending attitude towards him since the beginning. If they do say yes on D Day, it will be because the show made it worth their while and they will be done by the Reunion. Tom will be fine and he will have lots of kinder options. Even though David is truly the liar in this last scenario, Michelle going on and on about cheating on her is making her look foolish to me. She doesn't want him, she will never say yes, so stop with the act. Don't like her. Madison is very masculine looking, despite her claims of being such a great beauty. Allen is finally starting to show his true feelings and I am so glad he didn't tell her that he loves her. He realizes she will never want him and will use any excuse she can find to keep her distance. She has ALWAYS been a party girl and she has been proud of it. The night they came back from the honeymoon, she ran off to party, so I don't know what her issue is now. Yes, I do - she wants to party without him. He will be fine. She needs to grow up. Don't like her. Em and Ick - are ridiculous. The more she tries to pretend to be offended by "her husband," the more ridiculous SHE looks. This is not a marriage, there is nothing there, and I don't think she likes him anymore than he likes her. She even said that if this was a date, there wouldn't be a second one. That said, there is no way she should sign his divorce papers on the spot. She needs her lawyer and the show's lawyers to get it settled. I just need her to stop calling him her husband. I hope they don't go to the retreat. Don't like either of them. Karla and Juan are just silly. He is just laughing it up and having fun the best way he can. He isn't interested in her and she just mopes and looks pathetic that he doesn't appreciate her beauty and magnificence. The weird woman was just bizarre. WHY would the show keep trying to force intimacy this season where they are doing their best not to kill each other??? And the fact that they are not required to stay together gives these couples no hope at all. I can watch them because they are too silly to have strong feelings about. I do hope we finally see something at the retreat that they have been hinting at all season and it better be worth it! 5 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566693
atomic Yest. at 06:27 PM Share Yest. at 06:27 PM Great move from Dr Pia assigning that as an intimacy exercise when it probably turned Juan off from sex for life. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566802
princelina Yest. at 06:39 PM Share Yest. at 06:39 PM I just watched the after party and have to ask: What is Madison's job? In addition to calling herself a "beautiful woman" (once again), she keeps banging on about how people think she only got to "where she is today" because of her looks. Is she somewhere today that's totally impressive? I feel like I'd remember that if it were the case. If she just went to college, got a regular job and does well at it - that's what many people do whether they are great looking or ugly. I bet that's what Allen did too. 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566809
Elizzikra Yest. at 07:02 PM Share Yest. at 07:02 PM 20 minutes ago, princelina said: I just watched the after party and have to ask: What is Madison's job? In addition to calling herself a "beautiful woman" (once again), she keeps banging on about how people think she only got to "where she is today" because of her looks. Is she somewhere today that's totally impressive? I feel like I'd remember that if it were the case. If she just went to college, got a regular job and does well at it - that's what many people do whether they are great looking or ugly. I bet that's what Allen did too. I think that she is in software sales or maybe project management. Something of that ilk. I think that she does have an undergraduate degree and I think that is an excellent accomplishment for a kid who came from a lower middle class family that really didn’t have the money to send her to college. She is certainly not the only person to do it, but it is an accomplishment and she should be proud of it. When she talks about “where she is” I think that she is saying she is more financially stable than her family of origin was. That is tough to do for this generation. I think Allen did something very similar though being a CIS white male, he did have an advantage over Madison. I think part of the reason they were matched (if you buy that the “experts” are making the matches and have a sound rationale for doing so, is that they had the shared experience of rising above more humble beginnings to more financial success. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566828
atomic Yest. at 07:05 PM Share Yest. at 07:05 PM (edited) Nvm Edited 22 hours ago by atomic I give up Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566830
Crashcourse 23 hours ago Share 23 hours ago So, she came from a humble background and has a good job. Big whoop. Join the club of millions of us, Madison. 🙄 Seriously, there's no need to hype herself so much--especially her looks. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566867
Retired at last 22 hours ago Share 22 hours ago She whines and cries about not being taken seriously because of her beauty, but I think that is all she sees of herself. I have never known a beautiful woman to refer to herself as 'beautiful.' If she wants to complain about her looks, she could refer to herself as 'attractive' (kind of), but not beautiful, which we have seen and heard her say several times. And she is actually zquite masculine in her looks and body type, so I even asked myself if she may have been trans? 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8566886
Mr. Miner 19 hours ago Share 19 hours ago The more Madison runs off and parties all night, the more she makes Allen look like a cuckold. 🤷🏻♂️ 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8567069
Elizzikra 19 hours ago Share 19 hours ago Just now, Mr. Miner said: The more Madison runs off and parties all night, the more she makes Allen look like a cuckold. 🤷🏻♂️ Yeah - Allen should really clamp down on the little lady and keep her barefoot and in the kitchen where she belongs... Seriously. What's he supposed to do? She wants to go out; she goes out. That reflects on Madison, not on Allen. I don't think it's great that she does that but I don't see what he could do to stop her. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8567072
Mr. Miner 18 hours ago Share 18 hours ago (edited) Maybe I should have said doormat instead of cuckold?🙄 Edited 17 hours ago by Mr. Miner 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8567087
Hip-to-be-Square 17 hours ago Share 17 hours ago Why am I not surprised that Camille gets head, but never gives head? 😏 She is so smug around Thomas. I am tired of her matronly athleisure sets and fake girly giggles. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8567221
JenE4 17 hours ago Share 17 hours ago OMG. I know I’m not adding anything new here, but I cannot let this “tantric yoga instructor” pass without remark. Here Juan and Karla are practicing their couples yoga and then this lady in a skimpy negligee showed up?!?! There’s no yoga—just the tantric part! And even if this woman is some type of “sex coach” or something, how fucking unprofessional is it to show up to your clients’ home like you’re part of it?!? Uhhhh… I didn’t click the + and now can’t find the comment but cracking up Over that woman just walked down the street like that?! Jesus, at least put on a supportive bra. She even brings a second rose so she can participate. Uh, I think Karla would understand the concept of running the rose up and down Juan without you demonstrating. Yikes!! David is really doubling down on Cousin Denise in Chinatown…yet doesn’t have the text or picture…and refuses to contact Denise to clear it up. You’re really sticking with that story, David? Oh, damn! Michelle is calling Denise! Denise is laying all the cards on the table! Michelle, did David perchance disappear between 1 and 3 am the previous night? She suspects Madison! This is retreat is going to be goooood! 6 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8567246
DrewPaul2010 17 hours ago Share 17 hours ago 23 hours ago, kristen111 said: It’s plain to see that Michelle can’t stand David. So, why all the arguments and things she says to him? For someone who hates him, why bust his chops for every little thing? Madison reminds me of a man. That has been true since 5 minutes after they met. Now its justification for breaking up as was going to happen all along anyway. That said David should man up, come clean say he made a mistake. That's talking like a human being. He doesn't have anything to be ashamed of he put forth effort and had she responded who knows how things would work out. If she had got to know him for the person inside all the things she didn't like on the outside could have been dealt with. 23 hours ago, Crashcourse said: Tom is a sturdy man, but Camille isn't a lightweight, so when she jumped on him when he was lying on the bed, I was afraid she was going to break his back. Karla needs to stop with this woo-woo crap and eat more. Madison looks like she could beat somebody up with her face. That was about the only part of the show I saw was Allan and Madison going at it. From what I see and hear of Allan I believe he has deeper romantic feelings for Madison. I think he is in love. Its more awkward because he's chasing her affection. He will be shook up when she declines to stay married. They'll probably ask him first. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8567402
DrewPaul2010 17 hours ago Share 17 hours ago 19 hours ago, Racj82 said: I mean, he used the word transactional. He was at a lost for the proper word but that word makes it sounds like he thought she only had sex if she got something in return....like money. All sex is transactional. One or both parties get something of value even if only a sensational orgasm. It doesn't have to be money. Some get strong feelings of love and well being. Some feel they get power over the other person. Her personality subtracts a great deal from her beauty and at times she becomes ugly. The very thing she hates. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8567455
Alexander Pope 13 hours ago Share 13 hours ago I agree with everyone who has said that Madison's harping on herself as a beauty is really off-putting, and she also seems to have forgotten how proudly she owned being a party girl. But what Alan said wasn't cool. "Transactional" was definitely not the right word, and he did admit that. But the "you shake your ass in the club" line was judgmental, sexist, and possessive in a way I didn't like. He is really enraged that she doesn't vibe with him, and while I get that, I think we better put on our seatbelts because that anger is starting to come out. The fact that he had a dream while she was out after their fight that she married someone else on the show and he was forced to watch says it all. He is really mad that her sexuality is not being directed toward him, as someone else said on this thread said in so many words, and probably never will be. I think he knows, if not consciously than unconsciously, that she is cheating. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8567779
Starlight925 3 hours ago Share 3 hours ago This is what I see when I see Madison's face straight on: Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8567944
Retired at last 2 hours ago Share 2 hours ago I think this season that ALL of the women seem to think that they are better than their spouses - and some of them are. But, they aren't likable at all, especially the blondes. I wonder if that is why the show was so delayed almost a year before they started showing it. Maybe they tried to edit and fix it the best they could, but there was nothing they could do to make this season successful. But, other than Ick-man, and this latest David story, there hasn't even been any drama. Just a bunch of people who were paired with people they never should have been paired with. Sometimes that brings drama, other times, like here, they are just boring. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8567990
Elizzikra 48 minutes ago Share 48 minutes ago Quote I think this season that ALL of the women seem to think that they are better than their spouses I don't think that Karla necessarily thinks that. She's definitely different but I don't get the sense from her that she thinks she is superior. I didn't really get that from Emem, though she is clearly financially more successful than Ikechi (and a much nicer person). I think that Ikechi feels inferior compared to Emem and that's part of the reason he has been a dick to her. I don't think she has said or done anything to make him feel that way though. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151521-s18e13-the-truth-always-comes-out/#findComment-8568085
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