Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Spartan Girl]

Gene Hackman passing away reminded me of one of his most notable scenes in Mississippi Burning, which is pretty relevant right now:

 

[peacheslatour]

Zellenskyy refused to sign the deal. The art of the deal my ass.

 

Edited Friday at 07:16 PM by peacheslatour

[EtheltoTillie]

Wow, that meeting was ugly.

[JustHereForFood]

I wish Trump would finally choke on Putin's dick and bring us all out of the misery.

[tres bien]

After the shit show in the Oval Office that the sitting president has no respect for

The Prime Minister of Poland Donald Tusk tweeted   “Dear ZelenskyUa dear Ukrainian friends you are not alone”

Thank you sir

Edited Friday at 07:18 PM by tres bien

[peacheslatour]

J.D. is more of an embarrassment than we could have ever fucking imagined.

“Have you said thank you today” what a fucking child. 

[Anela]

38 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Dear god, I have never seen anything like this.

 

“I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post after the clash.

“I don’t want advantage, I want PEACE. He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is ready for Peace,” Trump wrote.

The White House confirmed after the post that a bilateral press conference with Trump and Zelenskyy, scheduled for Friday afternoon, had been cancelled.

Zelenskyy had traveled to Washington, D.C., to meet with Trump and sign a deal to grant the United States access to some of Ukraine’s supply of critical minerals, a demand that has become central to Trump’s continuing support for Ukraine.

But the conversation took a sharp turn when Vance accused Zelenskyy of being disrespectful.

As the back-and-forth grew more heated, Trump, raising his voice to a near-shout, told Zelenskyy, “You’re gambling with World War III.”

The stunning press event went off the rails after Trump was asked about his posture toward Russian President Vladimir Putin, which Ukraine’s supporters criticize as being too friendly, versus Zelenskyy, whom he recently called a “dictator.”

After Trump said he was aligning himself with “both of them” in order to seek peace, Vance added that former President Joe Biden’s attacks against Putin only resulted in more fighting and destruction.

“The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy,” Vance said.

Zelenskyy asked to respond to Vance, noting that Putin previously broke ceasefire agreements.

“What kind of diplomacy? JD, you are speaking about?” Zelenskyy said.

Vance shot back, “I’m talking diplomacy that’s going to end the destruction of your country.” He then added, “I think it’s disrespectful for you to come into the Oval Office try to litigate this in front of the American media.”

Zelenskyy said, “During the war, everybody has problems, even you, but you have a nice ocean and don’t feel it now, but you will feel it in the future.”

Trump then interrupted him: “Don’t tell us what we’re gonna feel, we’re trying to solve a problem. Don’t tell us what we’re gonna feel.”

“I’m not telling you ...” said the Ukrainian president.

“You’re in no position to dictate that. You’re in no position to dictate what we’re gonna feel,” Trump said.

Raising his voice, the president said, “You don’t have the cards right now ... you’re gambling with the lives of millions of people. You’re gambling with World War III. You’re gambling with World War III, and what you’re doing is very disrespectful to the country.”

They are both such embarrassments, and so clearly not acting in our best interests, or for peace.  

Both = rump and Vance.  

[JustHereForFood]

Borrowed from elsewhere: Ukraine survived famine. They survived Stalin. They  survived Chornobyl. They are holding on against Putin and a much bigger russian army. Does Trump expect them to be scared of an orange imbecile?

(It's a good point, I just wish they could catch a break for once.)

[Kemper]

22 minutes ago, Dimity said:

It is a faint hope but Congress and the Senate should be making it clear that Trump does not speak for America. 

And that is one of the worst  -if not the worst - things about this and where we are.  We can no longer depend on Congress to keep this country from going off the rails. Or the Judicial System. The Supreme Court was already lost.

[bluegirl147]

14 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

There are no words.

 

Oh I have words.

Embarrassing.

Horrifying.

Idiocy.

Hubris. 

Extortion.

Feel free to add  your own.

16 minutes ago, PRgal said:

And I don't even think they realized that.

Trump knows. He is playing to his buddy puppet master Putin.

15 minutes ago, Dimity said:

It is a faint hope but Congress and the Senate should be making it clear that Trump does not speak for America. 

I doubt it.  The ones that aren't afraid of him agree with him. History is not going to be kind to them. And I hope the midterms aren't either.

[Spartan Girl]

Good for Zelenskyy for not cowing. That’s the only positive thing I can say. Everything else is a certain four-lettered word I can’t utter in this forum.

[Dimity]

Just now, Spartan Girl said:

Good for Zelenskyy for not cowing. That’s the only positive thing I can say. Everything else is a certain four-lettered word I can’t utter in this forum.

Zelensky was definitely the adult in the room.

[EtheltoTillie]

Just now, Dimity said:

Zelensky was definitely the adult in the room.

Vance sounded like a high school tattle tale. 

Edited Friday at 07:33 PM by EtheltoTillie

[tres bien]

After Trump threw Zelensky out of the White House a reporter asked Trump about Russia breaking a ceasefire to which Trump responded “Putin went through a hell of a lot with me. He went through a phony witch hunt”

It’s always about him

[suomi]

The Trump/Vance apologists are desperately attempting to earn their keep since that embarrassing scene in the Oval. I'm listening to talk radio and their shaky voices reveal what they're actually thinking. If you think it, say it! C'mon!

[tearknee]

37 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

OK, maybe some. I hope everyone who chose not to vote because they "cAn'T suPporT gEnoCIde" is happy about the genocide the US is ignoring in Ukraine (not to mention the one that will probably eventually happen in Gaza).

Just kidding, they never cared about any genocide, otherwise they wouldn't cheer China or Russia against the US.

Arabs came from Arabia in the conquest, occupation and the colonization of this land and everywhere else in the Middle East and North Africa starting in the Seventh Century. Calling a region the Arab world should be as absurd as calling territories conquered by Britain or France after the people living there

[bluegirl147]

25 minutes ago, tres bien said:

After the shit show in the Oval Office that the sitting president has no respect for

The Prime Minister of Poland Donald Tusk tweeted   “Dear ZelenskyUa dear Ukrainian friends you are not alone”

Thank you sir

I hope Zelensky and the Ukrainian people know that millions of Americans are with them as well.

All of our American soldiers that fought in WW2 are rolling in their graves right now.  It has taken Trump a little over a month to destroy the alliances we have built over the past 80 years.  And all it took was for Putin to tell Trump what a good boy he is.

[fastiller]

Well, I guess these guys are nearer getting their wish.

[tearknee]

36 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

Churchill: "'Earth Minerals'? The colonials were from outer space all along!"

[tres bien]

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

It is a faint hope but Congress and the Senate should be making it clear that Trump does not speak for America. 

There isn’t a republican in congress that won’t side with Trump

Lindsey Graham has already been on FOX news this afternoon calling for Zelensky to resign 

[DanaMB]

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

And I don't even think they realized that.

They wouldn't care if they did.

[ebk57]

26 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Lindsey Graham has already been on FOX news this afternoon calling for Zelensky to resign 

I can't wait to find out what Putin has on him.

[Dimity]

32 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Lindsey Graham has already been on FOX news this afternoon calling for Zelensky to resign 

Makes me wonder if there is already a Quisling in place in Ukraine that the US/Russia wants installed.

[bluegirl147]

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-zelenskyy-needs-to-resign-or-change-after-tense-meeting-with-trump-sen-lindsay-graham-says

 

Another shameful Republican.

[Dimity]

Once and for all American politicians don't get to tell leaders of other countries to resign.  Trump and his enablers may think he is the King of the US but he certainly isn't king of the world.

[PRgal]

You know, I’d usually say that I’d like to use my Mom Voice/Attitude on “misbehaving” politicians, but this time, I have no words.  I can’t even think about how I’d approach this sort of behaviour if my son tried it on me.  His Terrible Twos through Eff You Five years were relatively tame compared to this. 

[Anela]

I was avoiding FB today, because of something I shared yesterday (re: FB, and Amazon boycotts), but I ended up looking in after seeing what happened, and my friends all over the place, are posting in support of Ukraine. 

[Lugal]

Zelensky forgot one key thing:

“It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.”

― Henry Kissinger

26 minutes ago, ebk57 said:

I can't wait to find out what Putin has on him.

Please, Lindsey Graham is a bootlicker who never met a war he didn't like, he'll suck up to whatever republican is in power.  They don't need anything on him.

2 hours ago, JustHereForFood said:

(not to mention the one that will probably eventually happen in Gaza)

It's already happening

[lookeyloo]

3 hours ago, Dimity said:

It is a faint hope but Congress and the Senate should be making it clear that Trump does not speak for America. 

Very faint I fear.  The repubs are spouting their praise for orange.

[fairffaxx]

Buffoons abound!  Zelensky is the only dignified person present.  It's like a Marx Bros movie, except they were funny. 

[Dimity]

Quote

Just before the reporters were ushered out of the Oval Office, Trump commented that the exchange "will be great television."

People are going to die because of the words and actions of this contemptible man but his childish tantrum "will be great television".  I honestly have no words right now.  This man is scum.

[Bliss]

It just occurred to me... tRump's jealousy of Zelensky is probably due to the FACT that Ukraine loves their president unanimously. Their parliament voted 286 to zero for Z to remain as president. That's because he has integrity, is a true patriot, and a lover of humanity. He's also intelligent - and - bonus - if I remember correctly, a fabulous dancer. (and we all know how tRump sucks at all the above)

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, Bliss said:

It just occurred to me... tRump's jealousy of Zelensky is probably due to the FACT that Ukraine loves their president unanimously. Their parliament voted 286 to zero for Z to remain as president. That's because he has integrity, is a true patriot, and a lover of humanity. He's also intelligent - and - bonus - if I remember correctly, a fabulous dancer. (and we all know how tRump sucks at all the above)

He sucks at everything and he's the worst thing that has ever happened to this country and probably the world. I'm not religious but I really think if there is an Anti-Christ, he is it.

[Milk-Eyed Mender]

Slava Ukraini

[LexieLily]

6 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

This was after the disastrous meeting had blown up and he was leaving the Oval office. From ABC News.

“I think we’ve seen enough. This is going to be great television, I will say that,” Trump said, telling reporters to leave the room.

And that's all that matters to him, isn't it? 

[peacheslatour]

9 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

And that's all that matters to him, isn't it? 

I think I've said it before, it's like he still thinks he's on The Apprentice and this season is the Washington DC season.

[Dimity]

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The entire world saw this Oval Office debacle. If you’re an ally of the United States, you just learned a very clear lesson: You cannot trust America under Donald Trump. Your security, your sovereignty, and your survival are all secondary to whether Trump personally feels flattered. If you are not groveling at his feet, you’re expendable..

Two months, it's been less than two months and he's already got us on the brink of WWIII.  Happy Trump voters?  And those eggs are still on the pricey side so you gave up world peace for nothing at all.

Edited Yest. at 12:01 AM by Dimity

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, Dimity said:

The entire world saw this Oval Office debacle. If you’re an ally of the United States, you just learned a very clear lesson: You cannot trust America under Donald Trump. Your security, your sovereignty, and your survival are all secondary to whether Trump personally feels flattered. If you are not groveling at his feet, you’re expendable..

Not only can't they trust us now but even if we can get rid of the rot in the current White House, how can anyone trust us to not elect another piece of crap?

[meep.meep]

On 2/23/2025 at 4:56 PM, heatherchandler said:

I don’t think it’s that crazy to have to answer this, I work in investment banking and I often have to explain why I’m valuable.  It’s called a Review and it’s annoying but I use it as a chance to toot my own horn.  It’s not that hard to come up with a list of accomplishments.

I know you said this along time ago - I'm a fed.  We were upset because the request came from HR@OPM.gov with no consequences attached, and then on X our unelected acting president said that anyone who didn't respond would be fired.  We later received a request from our department to respond and did so.

When I worked in industry, we had to file weekly reports so no, this is not anything we can't handle.  What we object to is reporting to someone outside our chain of command who likes to threaten our livelihood.

[suomi]

The Trump administration has publicly and privately signaled that it does not believe Russia represents a cyber threat against US national security or critical infrastructure, marking a radical departure from longstanding intelligence assessments.

The shift in policy could make the US vulnerable to hacking attacks by Russia, experts warned, and appeared to reflect the warming of relations between Donald Trump and Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin.

Two recent incidents indicate the US is no longer characterizing Russia as a cyber security threat.

Liesyl Franz, deputy assistant secretary for international cybersecurity at the state department, said in a speech last week before a United Nations working group on cyber security that the US was concerned by threats perpetrated by some states but only named China and Iran, with no mention of Russia in her remarks. Franz also did not mention the Russia-based LockBit ransomware group, which the US has previously said is the most prolific ransomware group in the world and has been called out in UN forums in the past. The treasury last year said LockBit operates on a ransomeware-as-service model, in which the group licenses its ransomware software to criminals in exchange for a portion of the paid ransoms.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-russia-hacking-cyber-security

[Milk-Eyed Mender]

Zelenskyy deserves all the Nobel Peace Prizes. The shame of this day will follow the felon and his merry band of lickspittles to the grave. I can only hope we don't have to wait too terribly long.

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, Milk-Eyed Mender said:

Zelenskyy deserves all the Nobel Peace Prizes. The shame of this day will follow the felon and his merry band of lickspittles to the grave. I can only hope we don't have to wait too terribly long.

I just fired off an email to my Senator. I'm beyond angry.

[Lantern7]

I can’t add much to this conversation. I’m going through a few things right now, and I am exhausted.

Is anyone here brave enough to go to Fox, NewsMax and/or OAN right now? I can’t imagine how they’re polishing the knob. Last time YKW gave shit to Ukraine, the NY Post reamed him out on their front page. I don’t think that’ll happen for tomorrow’s front page.

Those fucking people. Unbelievable.

Oh, and the SOTU is on Tuesday. I hope everyone in the splash zone brings their ponchos, because there will be a LOT of splashing.

Edited Friday at 11:34 PM by Lantern7

[Annber03]

4 hours ago, JustHereForFood said:

There are no words.

Our country is aligning itself with countries like Russia and North Korea. 

Great company we're keeping there. You must be so proud, Trump supporters. What could possibly go wrong with this nightmare alliance? 

[Dimity]

The Coward & The Hero: A Day of National Disgrace

Quote

 

My stomach churns. The bile rises. Never in my lifetime have I seen a more shameful, more disgraceful occupant of the White House. A man who has so thoroughly soiled the seat of power that even history recoils. A traitor. A thug. A liar. A cheat. And today, a pathetic, desperate, pantomime dictator, trying to stare down the leader of Ukraine—Volodymyr Zelenskyy, a man who has stood before death, before the smoking ruins of his homeland, and still refuses to bow.

Trump? Trump isn’t fit to lace Zelenskyy’s boots. The bloated relic of a reality show presidency, slathered in an extra layer of high-polished orange shoe polish, face glowing like a jack-o’-lantern stuffed with state secrets. He sat there playing the part of a South American strongman from the ‘50s, puffed up and empty, all bark and bluster, but no spine, no soul. He thought he could roll over a man who has lived in the trenches of war. But Zelenskyy has seen real men die. He has heard the whistle of missiles meant to tear him apart. Trump has never heard anything louder than the sound of his own mouth.

So what did the orange tyrant do? He rattled on about Hunter Biden’s laptop. In the presence of a war hero, he ranted like an unhinged lunatic about a hard drive. Idiot speak. Straightjacket talk. A man devoid of vision, reduced to the same old grievances, same old conspiracy-laced dementia, as if the fate of nations could be debated on the level of a Fox News fever dream.

And then, the jester arrived—J.D. Vance, a third-rate clown who came not to stand for anything, but to clean Trump’s boots with his lips. He sat there, all smug obedience, waiting for his cue, eager to please his master in moments of fitful rage. No dignity. No independence. Just another political parasite feeding off the rot. This was one of the most sickening displays of cowardice in American history.

And across the border, Canada’s Trudeau—so often a punching bag for American conservatives—stood tall, shoulder to shoulder with Zelenskyy, a leader among leaders. He didn’t grovel. He didn’t cower. He didn’t babble like a lunatic about emails or laptops. He stood on the right side of history.

That’s the difference. That’s the stark, gut-wrenching reality.

On one side, men of honour.

On the other, grub worms in suits.

 

Billkingpiano.substack.com

Edited Friday at 11:36 PM by Dimity

[bluegirl147]

Let's see now.  Trump has pissed off most of the Middle East with his plans for Gaza.  Canada and Mexico.  Africa and Australia already hated him and now Europe because if Ukraine isn't protected then they aren't either.    And it's only been a month.  This is so much worse than we thought it would get.

[suomi]

Diplomacy dies on live TV as Trump and Vance gang up to bully Ukraine leader

Never has a US president bullied and berated an adversary, still less an ally, in such a public way. Of course the reality TV star and wrestling fan turned US president had it all play out on television for the benefit of his populist support base – and a certain bare-chested chum in the Kremlin.

There was a minor wrinkle over how much Europe support has given Ukraine, which ended with smiles, a playful but pointed tap on Zelenskyy, and ominous words from Trump: “Don’t argue with me.”

There was a hint of trouble to come when Zelenskyy arrived at the West Wing wearing a dark, long-sleeved shirt – not a suit – and Trump greeted him with a handshake and sarcasm: “Wow, look, you’re all dressed up!”

But the last 10 minutes of the nearly 45-minute meeting devolved into acrimony and chaos. Zelenskyy found himself ambushed by Trump and his serpentine vice-president, JD Vance. He was expected to sit back and take a beating from Nurse Ratched and Miss Trunchbull. He refused.

Exuding preternatural obnoxiousness, Vance said Joe Biden’s approach had failed and that diplomacy was the way forward. Noting Russia’s betrayals of trust in the past, Zelenskyy challenged: “What kind of diplomacy, JD, you are speaking about? What do you mean?”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-shouting-match-oval-office

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, bluegirl147 said:

This is so much worse than we thought it would get.

But he got the pronouns sorted and banned paper straws.  Let's focus on the accomplishments here.

[Ohiopirate02]

12 minutes ago, Dimity said:

But he got the pronouns sorted and banned paper straws.  Let's focus on the accomplishments here.

Hes also bound and determined to executive order away the existence of trans people.

And apparently he's signing another executive order to make English the official language of the US. Something that has never been done in the 248 year history of the country for multiple reasons. Also something that is not going to lower the cost of groceries or housing. 

[tres bien]

Zelensky was on FOX news tonight and was asked by Bret Baier if he was going to apologize for his behavior at the White House today which Zelensky basically said no 

When asked about Lindsey Graham’s suggesting he resign Zelensky basically told Lindsey to STFU

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