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FJ - Barrymore came to mind as soon as I saw the category, then when the clue came up, I saw "John" and said, yep. Then thought hmm, maybe that's too obvious (and that wasn't his wife's name), it must be Huston. Never in a million years would I have come up with Phoenix. I think they intentionally used a name that went with John. :)

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3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

If Geraldine had said Plague (of course!) instead of Fire (???) she would be a champion. But I'm sure she doesn't need me to rub it in. 

I thought the judges wronged Geraldine when they refused to accept Ursa -- at least, Ken's comment "from the Greek for bear" was misplaced. The clue said "from the Greek for this animal" and she did name the correct animal, just in Latin. If he had said "we needed the name of the animal in English" I wouldn't be so put out, but it sounded like he was patronizing her for thinking Latin was Greek or something.  

It didn't make a difference under the circumstances but it annoyed me.

For FJ I pre-guessed Barrymore, got briefly distracted by the surname Bottom thinking of the musical Something Rotten, rejected Gyllenhall and switched to thinking of people who left religious cults and managed to get to Phoenix. 

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With "signify a rebirth" I got to Phoenix immediately. It probably helps that I've lived in Metro Atlanta most of my life, where their symbol is a phoenix rising from the ashes of the Civil War.  I didn't see the show, but I went to the jeopardy fan for FJ. At first, I was puzzled by the Newman answer, until I realized "New Man." Pretty clever.

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5 hours ago, ams1001 said:

I pre-guessed FJ!!!! And since I couldn't come up with anything else when I actually saw the clue, I went with it.
 

It’s so much fun when a pre-guess is right, because then you get to feel smart AND psychic.

No pre-guess here, but the “rebirth” part of the clue instantly brought an image of a rising phoenix to mind. So that turned out to be an easy one for me.

I’m just happy to watch again, thanks to a sportsball break!

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Phoenix never even occurred to me. I thought of Barrymore which I knew was wrong but I hadn’t buzzed in yet. I’m usually 99.99% correct on useless on entertainment trivia but this was too hard. That’s my excuse and I’m sticking with it.

I wouldn’t have minded if the other guy had won. He looked normal, didn’t make stupid faces when being introduced and had great thick dark hair. The current champion is doing meh. If you are going by Jeopardy standards in dollar amounts he’s doing horribly. He’s almost dumb. Jokes people, jokes. I hope he can make it to five games. I hate when they lose the 5th game. The guy last week had a horrible game and only made it to four. Such a bummer.

 

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9 hours ago, SomeTameGazelle said:

I thought the judges wronged Geraldine when they refused to accept Ursa -- at least, Ken's comment "from the Greek for bear" was misplaced. The clue said "from the Greek for this animal" and she did name the correct animal, just in Latin. If he had said "we needed the name of the animal in English" I wouldn't be so put out, but it sounded like he was patronizing her for thinking Latin was Greek or something.  

I disagree, should there be a caveat for every clue that they want it in English? I think the default is English -unless they are specifically told that the answers are in another language-. There have been contestants for whom English is a second language, should they be allowed to answer in Spanish, French, Mandarin? I think Ken was just gently pointing out that they wanted the animal that the word Arctic came from not just another word in another language for the animal. I'm probably not saying this well, but it's clear in my head!🤔

I also disagree with this: If Geraldine had said Plague (of course!) instead of Fire (???) she would be a champion. But I'm sure she doesn't need me to rub it in. 

She was in 3rd when she got to that DD and even if she had doubled it to $8400 she would only have been $1600 ahead of the guys with most of the board still to come. At that point any one of them -could- have been champion. I'm not sure what goes into figuring out the Coryat scores but hers is the worst. She only had 7 correct answers! I also looked at the suggested wagers for FJ on the archive and Josh wagered the exact amount suggested.

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15 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

If Geraldine had said Plague (of course!) instead of Fire (???) she would be a champion. But I'm sure she doesn't need me to rub it in. 

Fire wasn't such a completely off-the-wall answer. The Great Fire of London occurred in 1666. Granted she was a year off, and the Fire didn't kill that many people, but she was obviously thinking of a historical disaster that did happen at around that period.

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16 hours ago, Katy M said:

I got FJ pretty immediately after deciding renaissance wasn't a name.

I didn't have a clue.

15 hours ago, dgpolo said:

I also got Lungs and enjoyed Ken's little chiding remark about emphysema because that was why I guessed lungs.

That's what gave it to me too.

14 hours ago, bad things are bad said:

I think Geraldine has probably relived that bad answer every night since her game 

Yeah, dog knows I've relived my bad answers and it wasn't just one clue for me.

11 hours ago, SomeTameGazelle said:

I thought the judges wronged Geraldine when they refused to accept Ursa -- at least, Ken's comment "from the Greek for bear" was misplaced. The clue said "from the Greek for this animal" and she did name the correct animal, just in Latin.

The word 'Arctic' is from Greek ἄρκτος, 'bear', and not related to the Latin 'ursa' at all.

Geraldine's answer was wrong.

 

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3 hours ago, dgpolo said:

There have been contestants for whom English is a second language, should they be allowed to answer in Spanish, French, Mandarin?

I would love that, actually. 

On Celebrity Jeopardy, someone answered in French, got ruled wrong, and then the judges reversed the ruling and gave him credit.

I realize ratings would probably tank, and it would require more work for the on the fly rulings and translations, but it would be kind of cool now and then. 

Anyone who can do well on this show has to be fluent in English to understand the clues, but if they were so good at going back and forth, it would introduce a real challenge to their competitors, also. When they are rules wrong, you'd have to know if what you want to say was already said, nor not.

Yes, I like the idea but yes, I realize it would have a lot of complications and downsides. 

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So, here's something that happened when I was on the show.

The clue was in the category of Shakespeare, and had to do with the son of the King of France being called by "this name of an aquatic mammal." The answer they were going for was "dolphin." That is the word that is used in Shakespeare's text.

One of my opponents rang in and said "What is dauphin?" Alex initially ruled it incorrect. They almost immediately stopped taping, and the judges went into an intense consultation. Ultimately, they decided that Dauphin, being the French word for dolphin (as well as the title of the heir apparent to the French throne), was acceptable. They restarted taping, and Alex's original "no" was over-dubbed with him saying, "Yes, the French for 'dolphin.'"

I have no strong opinion on ursa versus bear, but it is not without precedent for them to accept a word in another language when that word is at least related to the context of the clue.

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44 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

The word 'Arctic' is from Greek ἄρκτος, 'bear', and not related to the Latin 'ursa' at all.

Geraldine's answer was wrong.

They weren't asking for the Greek, which was clear from the clue. Geraldine definitely would have been wrong if she had said ἄρκτος. She was obviously thinking of the right constellation and the correct meaning. If Ken had said "you gave us the Latin for bear from the name of the constellation but we needed the English" it would have been absolutely clear. 

 

1 hour ago, MrAtoz said:

Ultimately, they decided that Dauphin, being the French word for dolphin (as well as the title of the heir apparent to the French throne), was acceptable. They restarted taping, and Alex's original "no" was over-dubbed with him saying, "Yes, the French for 'dolphin.'"

I have no strong opinion on ursa versus bear, but it is not without precedent for them to accept a word in another language when that word is at least related to the context of the clue.

That's the grey area I was in -- the clue brought the constellation into it and led to Ursa. But I mostly felt that Ken's comment didn't illuminate anything and sounded too much like "you dope, don't know the difference between Greek and Latin?" and I felt indignant on her behalf. 

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1 hour ago, MrAtoz said:

So, here's something that happened when I was on the show.

The clue was in the category of Shakespeare, and had to do with the son of the King of France being called by "this name of an aquatic mammal." The answer they were going for was "dolphin." That is the word that is used in Shakespeare's text.

One of my opponents rang in and said "What is dauphin?" Alex initially ruled it incorrect. They almost immediately stopped taping, and the judges went into an intense consultation. Ultimately, they decided that Dauphin, being the French word for dolphin (as well as the title of the heir apparent to the French throne), was acceptable. They restarted taping, and Alex's original "no" was over-dubbed with him saying, "Yes, the French for 'dolphin.'"

I have no strong opinion on ursa versus bear, but it is not without precedent for them to accept a word in another language when that word is at least related to the context of the clue.

Would this👆 be a factor in Geraldine getting a "Second Chance" invite? 

March 25:

73% / 57% / 66%

In J I ran Mountains and Before Pleasure, missed one in Hippo-Pourri and Business, two in Quoting the Film, and four in Mix-ology.

In DJ I missed one in 2-Word Phrases, two in Voyager, Women on TV, and Plead the 5th, and three in Art History and Poetic Places. 

FJ was an instaget. 

TSes: (J had 1 + the DD; DJ had 5 + 1 DD) I got Mount Kenya.
 

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I immediately decided that the answer to FJ was a bird.  And I thought what's orange and black. And I said oriole.  And kept trying to think of other birds because that did not sound right.  

I got the missed clues of incorporation, Kenya, veg out and Prince Edward Island (which I didn't think could possibly be right since it was the $2k clue).

I got the entire category of business right and the entire category of mixology wrong.  I probably would have gotten a couple of those, but embarrassingly I didn't realize they were all ologies until the category was done. Hangs head in embarrassed shame.

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20 minutes ago, Browncoat said:

Most instagettiest of instagets for me for FJ tonight.  All I needed was Michoacan.

But the only TS I got was Kenya.  

I've been watching The Americas on NBC and they had a segment about Monarchs. Though my thought process for the clue was just "orange and black creature that migrates? Monarch butterfly."

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1 hour ago, ams1001 said:

I've been watching The Americas on NBC and they had a segment about Monarchs. Though my thought process for the clue was just "orange and black creature that migrates? Monarch butterfly."

For me it was the month-long Butterflies Wordle Challenge words. 

I was so sad nobody knew Tatiana Maslany, but now I'm thinking they "knew" her, but just couldn't parse her name in time.

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17 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I was so sad nobody knew Tatiana Maslany, but now I'm thinking they "knew" her, but just couldn't parse her name in time.

I've never seen either show; pretty sure I've seen her in late-night interviews for She-Hulk but couldn't come up with her name; it was an 'oh, yeah' moment when Ken said it.

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1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

I was so sad nobody knew Tatiana Maslany

I was such a fan of her on Orphan Black. Amazing, amazing performances. I would have to regularly remind myself that those weren’t different actresses playing those characters.

3 hours ago, Katy M said:

I immediately decided that the answer to FJ was a bird.  And I thought what's orange and black. And I said oriole.

Same here. Except I didn’t even get as far as orioles. Just “black and orange birds… what bird is orange and black…”.  Butterflies, aargh. Never occurred to me.

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6 minutes ago, possibilities said:

Maslaney was unbelievably good in Orphan Black. She played so many different characters that I lost count and each of them was amazingly rendered.

Here's Mr. Clean. Except for the earring, and maybe Josh having slightly less prominent eyebrows, he's a dead ringer!

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And I hope he's gone soon.

4 hours ago, Katy M said:

I immediately decided that the answer to FJ was a bird.  And I thought what's orange and black. And I said oriole.  And kept trying to think of other birds because that did not sound right.  

When I saw the category for some reason I thought it referred to humans, so I wasn't thinking of any kind of animal before the clue was revealed. But when I saw orange and black luckily I went right to monarchs.

2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I was so sad nobody knew Tatiana Maslany, but now I'm thinking they "knew" her, but just couldn't parse her name in time.

I knew Tatiana Maslany right away but I wasn't sure it was obvious that it was someone who had played multiple roles in the same story in one series. And even though she won an Emmy for Orphan Black I'm not sure people really know her. But she was absolutely phenomenal in all those roles in Orphan Black. 

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50 minutes ago, MrAtoz said:

I also knew Tatiana Maslany right away, but I'm not too surprised some people didn't. Both of her biggest shows, Orphan Black and She-Hulk, are kind of "niche," genre-type shows. While she's an amazing actress, I'm not sure how well-known she is to the general public.

General public here, I've never heard of Tatiana Maslany and have never heard of either of the shows she was on. And I watch a lot of tv.

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1 hour ago, chessiegal said:

General public here, I've never heard of Tatiana Maslany and have never heard of either of the shows she was on. And I watch a lot of tv.

If you are into mystery/sci-fi in any way, do yourself a favour and watch Orphan Black. You'll see why Tatiana won an Emmy for the role(s).

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On 3/25/2025 at 1:45 PM, shapeshifter said:

Would this👆 be a factor in Geraldine getting a "Second Chance" invite? 

I'd be stunned if she did; it's not like that cost her the game.  Hell, she was mute for most of the game; she responded to only nine clues, and got two of them wrong.

I didn't watch most of last week and wasn't at my desk for this week's so far, so didn't keep track of my performance.  Hopefully back in the groove tonight.

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March 26:

63% / 37% / 51%

Yeesh. In J I ran Kid Lit, missed one in NYT Obituary and Double Talk, and three in TV Show Guest, Hat Tricks, and Amendment. In DJ I missed two in Fossils, three in I on the Map, Lion Around, Famous Pro-Semites, and Compound Words, and all five in Big Screen Baseball.

But I got FJ and it was an asterisk!

TSes: (J had 5 + the DD; DJ had 5 + both DDs) I got yeah yeah, Maria Callas (DD), megalodon (DD).

Not sure why it amused me but when I was counting TSes I saw that Josh got all the $800 clues in the second round.

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I didn't tune in until just as DJ started and am too lazy to look up the first round, but it was an okay half a game.  I only ran map, but I got all but one each in words, baseball movies, and pro-Semites.  I missed two each in fossil and lion. 

FJ was an instaguess I thought was going to be wrong because it too obvious, but I didn't have anyone else to guess.  Color me surprised by the TS.

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I really thought Melanie would pull it off. Too bad she lost so much on those DDs, and didn't get FJ. 

I got Maria Callas and Androcles.  I have never read Harry Potter so I didn't have any idea which house it was but was surprised that the symbol of Gryffindor would be a lion and not a Griffin. 

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2 hours ago, Bastet said:

FJ was an instaguess I thought was going to be wrong because it too obvious, but I didn't have anyone else to guess.  Color me surprised by the TS.

My experience exactly. Can someone with more knowledge of British captains than me explain why they all thought it was Lord Nelson? Was he also a sea bully?

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5 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

My experience exactly. Can someone with more knowledge of British captains than me explain why they all thought it was Lord Nelson? Was he also a sea bully?

Timing, maybe?  And the only English captain they could think of?  IDK.  It seemed weird to me that they all got the same wrong answer.  When you're in school and that happens, that's when you get accused of cheating (which obviously I'm not doing).

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Well, I now need to hand my Royal Navy enthusiast card back.  Seafaring Brits should've been ideal for me, one of those "bet it all" categories.  However, despite knowing that Nelson had been an admiral for several years by 1804, he was all I had because I knew my only other thought, James Cook, had been dead for more than 20 years by then.  So Nelson was my answer despite knowing it was wrong.  I completely forgot the third member of the "British sea captains" Jeopardy triumvirate.  I should've known that if it wasn't Cook and it wasn't Nelson, it was Bligh.  I didn't know that he had been captain of HMS Warrior, but still.  I did think of him after the first contestant's answer was revealed, but alas, that was far too late.

It wasn't a great game for me even before my FJ washout.  So I'm going to pretend that last night's show never happened.

At least I knew Tuesday's FJ immediately.

On 3/25/2025 at 1:21 PM, possibilities said:

I would love that, actually. 

I wouldn't unless the clue specifically called for an answer in a foreign language.

On 3/25/2025 at 2:43 PM, MrAtoz said:

So, here's something that happened when I was on the show.

The clue was in the category of Shakespeare, and had to do with the son of the King of France being called by "this name of an aquatic mammal." The answer they were going for was "dolphin." That is the word that is used in Shakespeare's text.

One of my opponents rang in and said "What is dauphin?" Alex initially ruled it incorrect. They almost immediately stopped taping, and the judges went into an intense consultation. Ultimately, they decided that Dauphin, being the French word for dolphin (as well as the title of the heir apparent to the French throne), was acceptable. They restarted taping, and Alex's original "no" was over-dubbed with him saying, "Yes, the French for 'dolphin.'"

I have no strong opinion on ursa versus bear, but it is not without precedent for them to accept a word in another language when that word is at least related to the context of the clue.

I would have stuck with that being incorrect, because he is indeed called "dolphin" in Henry V.  But a lot would depend on the phrasing of the clue.

On 3/25/2025 at 4:32 PM, SomeTameGazelle said:

They weren't asking for the Greek, which was clear from the clue. Geraldine definitely would have been wrong if she had said ἄρκτος. She was obviously thinking of the right constellation and the correct meaning. If Ken had said "you gave us the Latin for bear from the name of the constellation but we needed the English" it would have been absolutely clear. 

But they were asking for the word derived from the Greek and Ursa isn't.  So it was wrong.  And I saw nothing wrong with how Ken phrased his non-acceptance of her answer.

On 3/25/2025 at 4:45 PM, shapeshifter said:

Would this👆 be a factor in Geraldine getting a "Second Chance" invite? 

I hope not. But then, I also really hope they don't have another stupid "Second Chance" tournament.

On 3/25/2025 at 8:23 PM, ams1001 said:

Though my thought process for the clue was just "orange and black creature that migrates? Monarch butterfly."

That was my process as well.

On 3/25/2025 at 10:01 PM, shapeshifter said:

I was so sad nobody knew Tatiana Maslany, but now I'm thinking they "knew" her, but just couldn't parse her name in time.

That could be, because that was what happened to me.  I tried watching Orphan Black but couldn't get into it.  Won't deny she put in multiple great performances in it, though.

On 3/25/2025 at 11:20 PM, possibilities said:

Maslaney was unbelievably good in Orphan Black. She played so many different characters that I lost count and each of them was amazingly rendered.

She was excellent but I just got tired of the entire concept of the show very quickly.

23 hours ago, MrAtoz said:

I also knew Tatiana Maslany right away, but I'm not too surprised some people didn't. Both of her biggest shows, Orphan Black and She-Hulk, are kind of "niche," genre-type shows. While she's an amazing actress, I'm not sure how well-known she is to the general public.

Exactly.  If sci fi isn't your thing, you may never have heard of either show.

13 hours ago, Katy M said:

I got the missed clues of Maria Callas, Vince Vaughan and Megaladon.  OK, that's a movie title.  One I don't want to see.

Maria Callas, Vince Vaughan and a Megalodon walk into a bar . . . 

7 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

My experience exactly. Can someone with more knowledge of British captains than me explain why they all thought it was Lord Nelson? Was he also a sea bully?

Not particularly, no, but if all you knew of the Napoleonic Wars and the British Navy was Trafalgar in 1805 and Lord Nelson, you might guess him.  Or you could be like me, and too much knowledge got in the way.

Interesting note: William Bligh, although he was quite strict as a captain, wasn't particularly a bully, certainly not by the standards of the Navy at the time.  He mostly gets that bad rep from film representations of him.  Yeah, he had 3 mutinies against his command, but only the Bounty one was about him personally, and even that was more down to him trying to do his job and Fletcher Christian wanting to be in command instead despite being completely unqualified.  The Nore mutiny was part of a much larger one involving the entire fleet and was about conditions in the Navy overall and the one while he was Royal Governor in New South Wales was down to the extremely corrupt New South Wales Corp wanting to continue ripping off the British government.

Here endeth the lesson.

 

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9 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

My experience exactly. Can someone with more knowledge of British captains than me explain why they all thought it was Lord Nelson? Was he also a sea bully?

For me it was the year, 1804, that made me think Napoleonic War,  Battle of Trafalgar (1805) which Nelson won but he was also killed during it. 

I never even thought of Captain Bligh - maybe if he had been captain of the Bounty at that time, instead of Warrior, I would have got it - and probably everybody else would have got it too.

As to Nelson being a sea bully, I never heard that he was so I really just ignored that part.

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On 3/25/2025 at 5:23 PM, ams1001 said:

I've been watching The Americas on NBC and they had a segment about Monarchs. Though my thought process for the clue was just "orange and black creature that migrates? Monarch butterfly."

I got it both from watching David Attenborough's (sp?) documentaries, and from having lived in California where Monarch butterflies are a thing.

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3 hours ago, chessiegal said:

FJ clue:

Formally charged led me to mutiny which led me to Bligh. Nelson never crossed my mind.

That's not a bad way to arrive at the answer.

Given the possible ways a sailor in the Royal Navy could be punished at the time, I'd say that particular man was lucky his captain just called him a rascal and a scoundrel and shook his fist at him.

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March 27:

53% / 57% / 54%

Not a great game. In my defense I was also listening in on a telephone town hall with my House rep. I totally would have done so much better otherwise. 😐

In J I missed one in Bible Fill in the Blank and "OX", two in Dick's Sporting: Good, three in At the Mall and Hot Topic, and four in The Bay Area. In DD I missed one in Good Reads, two in Salt, From the Greek, and Celebrity First Name, and three in After the White House and "-ED" Creatures (the spectacled bear was also featured in The Americas! A mama and her two adorable babies!). Did not get FJ. First one I've missed this week!

TSes: (J had 3 + the DD; DJ had 5 + 1 DD) I got pillbox hat, long-tailed pangolin.
 

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