Season 04

[Attatude]

How does Jubal miss all of Rina’s scheming?  Tiffany has become the only well rounded character on the show. I’m glad they brought her on.

Edited November 12, 2021 by Attatude

[WendyCR72]

Here is the description for S04.E07: Gone Baby Gone, airing November 16, 2021:

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After a young girl is kidnapped from her daycare, the team must help her parents navigate a debt owed to the deadly gang in their neighborhood. Also, Maggie struggles to focus on the case when her sister, Erin, returns from rehab.

 

[Dowel Jones]

On 11/11/2021 at 4:16 PM, Attatude said:

How does Jubal miss all of Rina’s scheming?

Thinking with the wrong head, perhaps.

[mxc90]

It's always nice when Rina is not around or mentioned.

Olivia still wasn't humbled after being robbed by Jenny? She made sure to nonchalantly drop the values of the stolen items to the agents ($100,000 in jewelry and $5,000 for tote bag). That boasting was the very reason Jenny made plans to "visit" her. She already had the code to safe memorized. Her daughter getting kidnapped just pushed up the robbery date.

Surprised Maggie resisted mentioning her sister to Jenny to one up her on the drug addict in the family conversation.

Last season, Jubal suspends Elise from the JOC for a mistake on an address. For Maggie's blunder she gets a lite scolding because the cop lived?! If the cops had died, she would have been fired? Huh!

Where was Moreno's tough talking body guard when Moreno and Hugo was scuffling? He and Maggie were off their game in the Park. Also, for all his tough talk OA and Tiffany just went to sit on the nearest bench in clear view of Moreno. There was a lot of people in the park, was he suppose to get rid of them too?

How much is Maggie paying nosy Mike the doorman to spy on her apartment? Nice for the creepy drug dealer to stay with the sister long enough for her to OD, call an ambulance and leave. Must have been some other form of payment going on.

Hugo gets killed and Lucia has no father now and the mother is in jail. Sad ending for her. At least Lucia will be told of the tale her father died valiantly in battle with her kidnapper and omitted from the story was earlier he had a drug overdose in the park and was revived (almost missed the meet to save her). 

Those poor kids had to listen to daycare lady's conversation. I think they were laughing at her and not the TV show.

Edited November 17, 2021 by mxc90

[Xeliou66]

This was another good episode - enjoyable from start to finish.

Really good investigation and a lot of good detective work from everyone to get to the bottom of things, and each character had a nice role, this season is doing a good job of balancing the screen time between characters and having good in depth investigations. This episode was entertaining to watch play out, and I didn’t see the twist coming that the guy they picked up at the start was actually the perp’s accomplice, I thought he was just another red herring, good twist.

I was glad the little girl was found safely, but she will have a tough time going forward after that ordeal, with her father dead and her mother’s situation uncertain because of the armed robbery charge.

On to Maggie’s situation, Jubal should’ve suspended her at the end, she deserved a suspension or being temporarily assigned to desk duty for her actions. Jubal himself made an error though by letting Maggie stay on the case, he should’ve realized her focus was elsewhere and sent her home. I did like the ending scene between Jubal and Maggie, Jubal has a lot of compassion and I liked his advice to her, and Maggie made the right decision to cut ties with her sister for now.

Overall this was another really good episode with good detective work and investigation, and a nice role for each character. This show is by far the strongest of the FBI’s and this has been a good season.

[preeya]

Just wanted to add, we had three runners tonight. One was female pursued by and apprehended by another female (Tiffany).

I wonder if they bribed OA to take off his suit and tie???

[Netfoot]

12 hours ago, mxc90 said:

Last season, Jubal suspends Elise from the JOC for a mistake on an address.

This was my first thought. And many posters suggested that she should be fired, and held legally liable... But Maggie gets a walk.

12 hours ago, mxc90 said:

Nice for the creepy drug dealer to stay with the sister long enough for her to OD, call an ambulance and leave.

Did that happen? Or did Jubal send the cops to do a "wellness" check and they called the ambulance?

Is it my faulty perception? Or does Tiffany clothesline a lot of runners?

 

[12catcrazy]

Overall a good episode but it's getting ridiculous with the runners.  One per show is annoying enough but THREE???  C'mon.  Just a padding of time in my opinion. 

Call me terrible but I was hoping that Maggie's sister would buy the farm.  Yeah, so drug addiction is a big deal in the US; from tv, it seems that every family has at least one addict.   But I'm sick of watching it on these procedural shows.   I didn't want to watch it with Fornell's daughter on NCIS and I don't want to watch it here either.  Maybe they should have a 1-800 for Narc Anon at the end of these episodes.  

[nittany cougar]

28 minutes ago, 12catcrazy said:

Overall a good episode but it's getting ridiculous with the runners.  One per show is annoying enough but THREE???  C'mon.  Just a padding of time in my opinion. 

Call me terrible but I was hoping that Maggie's sister would buy the farm.  Yeah, so drug addiction is a big deal in the US; from tv, it seems that every family has at least one addict.   But I'm sick of watching it on these procedural shows.   I didn't want to watch it with Fornell's daughter on NCIS and I don't want to watch it here either.  Maybe they should have a 1-800 for Narc Anon at the end of these episodes.  

I thought that the sister was going to die.  I'm ashamed that I actually felt sorry for the sister when Maggie was in her hospital room telling her that she won't see her or help her any more.  I understand tough love, but doing that at the hospital was cold.  

I wonder where Maggie's parents are.  Shouldn't they have been mentioned with her sister being critically ill?

I really hate Jubal.  It pissed me off that he went to the hospital to reprimand Maggie.  That should have been saved for the office.

[mxc90]

7 hours ago, Netfoot said:

This was my first thought. And many posters suggested that she should be fired, and held legally liable... But Maggie gets a walk.

Did that happen? Or did Jubal send the cops to do a "wellness" check and they called the ambulance?

Is it my faulty perception? Or does Tiffany clothesline a lot of runners?

 

Yes. It was the wellness check.

6 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:

Overall a good episode but it's getting ridiculous with the runners.  One per show is annoying enough but THREE???  C'mon.  Just a padding of time in my opinion. 

There has to be a "Time wasting run per episode" record they are trying to set or catch. A gimmick they want to be remembered for when it's over.

I was hoping the first runner told the agents he ran to get his cardio in and work off the calories from the big $3.99 breakfast instead of the usual excuse of not trusting cops.

Edited November 17, 2021 by mxc90

[Dowel Jones]

17 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Really good investigation and a lot of good detective work from everyone to get to the bottom of things

It's easy when you maintain a database on the entire population of New York on everything from their cell phone use to bank records to social media use.

Nice stakeout in the park, guys.  You got made from the get go, and did anyone notice that the FBI SUVs were all blocked in by other parked cars?  Good planning.

I was actually hoping for a plot twist where Jenny and Hugo planned the jewel heist anyway, and use a fake kidnapping as a ruse to cover for it.  Hugo could have said he already made the drop and everyone would have been left empty handed.  Pay off the Latin Kings a bit for 'babysitting' the kid and be gone.

Maggie.  That was the dumbest thing I have seen on this show.  And why send her off to the hospital?  Is she going to do anything there to affect the outcome?  Plus it left the agents short of the street.  I hope someone at least paid a perfunctory visit to the cop who got shot in the line of duty. Although, as soon as he heard the gunfire, he should have been armed and on the watch for anyone running in the area.

[Sandman]

On 11/11/2021 at 2:43 PM, 12catcrazy said:

My guess is that the viewers are NOT supposed to like Rina.  She's being shown as a conniver and as somebody who mainly cares about her own ambition.  Isobel SHOULD have been given Rina's job but wasn't and it was probably because Rina knows how to suck up to the right people and manipulate a situation to her advantage.

I think you're correct: I kept thinking Rina must be short for "Retaliation" (okay, it sounded better in my head...). She's being increasingly shown as dangerously self-seeking and unprincipled. Unfortunately, Jubal's "thinking with the wrong head" as noted upthread makes me lose respect for him. Can he really be this blind to her machinations? Isobel has her own flaws, but, man, do I want to see her spike Rina's guns!

[Bobbin]

On the topic of addictive drugs, I had surgery earlier this year for which I was awake, but given something to "relax" me. I was very comfortable throughout, and time flew by. Thinking about my experience in the days following, I had the sensation of actually having enjoyed it and craving another! When I got the insurance statement later on, I saw that one item was for something like a teensy fraction of an mcg of an opioid. What would the craving be like after one "street dose"? I'm sure that even doctors who have been prescribing this stuff have no idea how instantly addictive it is. And why dealers add it to otherwise innocuous drugs. Like in "War Games," the only winning move is not to play.

As for dropping the mic on Sister in the hospital, that was the perfect time for her wake-up call, while she's certified sober and before she can start spinning a new web of deceit. And before Maggie starts to feel sorry (and responsible) for her again.

[Netfoot]

6 hours ago, Bobbin said:

I had surgery earlier this year for which I was awake, but given something to "relax" me. I was very comfortable throughout, and time flew by. Thinking about my experience in the days following, I had the sensation of actually having enjoyed it and craving another!

Many years ago I spent weeks in hospital recovering from a painful accident. Initially, I was dosed with your actual morphine every six hours! I was actually begging for the next dose after about four hours. This was tapered off to twice a day over about two weeks, and eliminated after another two weeks.

Before I left hospital, I was thoroughly assessed by my doctors to determine whether I had become dependent upon the stuff. Fortunately, not. Back then, I thought it was silly waste of time. But the lengthy evaluation I was subjected to made plain to me the dangers of addiction. They obviously knew far better than I, how serious the risk.

[EtheltoTillie]

Maggie should be fired for what she did.  Beyond unprofessional.  Someone died!  even though he was the misbehaving father.   And a cop was shot.  But because Jubal failed to remove her from the case, he's also covering up for himself.  Is how I read this.  Anyone else? 

[NYGirl]

I'm getting so aggravated at this show.  I can't believe how unprofessional Maggie was during that money drop.  It's ridiculous that all she got was a slap on the hand.

I too wished the sister overdosed.  If I wanted to know all about the agents' private lives I'd watch a soap opera.  This is supposed to be a procedural for goodness sake

[Netfoot]

6 hours ago, GussieK said:

Maggie should be fired for what she did.

Obviously, she won't be. She (along with OA) is one of the main characters.

What I don't understand is why the writers didn't give her better extenuating circumstances to explain why she was not reprimanded more severely. They knew she would only get her wrist slapped because they wrote it that way. So why not devise a reason to explain why?

And just a question. When the FBI are on the job, ready to aprehend a violent kidnapper and rescue the kid, how are they able to receive calls from the concierge of their apartment building? I gotta turn my phone off if I go to the cinema, the bank, the gas station, the dentist... But Maggie keeps hers on when she goes to a shootout?

[Bobbin]

On 11/18/2021 at 8:20 PM, Netfoot said:

And just a question. When the FBI are on the job, ready to aprehend a violent kidnapper and rescue the kid, how are they able to receive calls from the concierge of their apartment building? I gotta turn my phone off if I go to the cinema, the bank, the gas station, the dentist... But Maggie keeps hers on when she goes to a shootout?

That was my thought, too. That was such a violation of procedure I thought I must have missed something. It made me think of the ad with the secret agent in a gun battle when his mom calls to tell him, "Well, the squirrels are back."

Edited November 20, 2021 by Bobbin
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[SunnyBeBe]

I agree about Maggie’s crazy behavior.  No personal matter would have distracted a professional, under those circumstances.  Just ridiculous.  I also think it was ridiculous that Maggie, a trained FBI agent is clueless about drug addiction.  She didn’t seem to know anything about it when her sister went into rehab.  How is that possible?  How would a half-way intelligent person not educate themselves about drug addiction if their family member is that sick with addiction?  

[WendyCR72]

We have a title of a James Taylor song for S04.E08, "Fire and Rain", airing December 7, 2021:

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The team attempts to extract key information from a vulnerable 9/11 widow, Hannah Thompson, who is shocked that her new “boyfriend” is the manipulative leader of a terrorist group planning an attack. Also, Scola is reminded of his brother’s death on 9/11, and Tiffany worries about his emotional choices during the investigation

 

[mxc90]

These lazy fools shoot Elliot, couldn't make sure the job was done/not dump him in the basement, leave the house, Elliot is still alive to have enough energy to crawl to the door, open it and make to the front steps to be found by nosy passerbys who remembered the blue car they drove because they were dumb enough make noise/speed away from the scene. Just enough to get the FBI on their tail. 

Hannah is so lucky to be caught in her house by OA and Maggie with a blow dryer and not some other risque mechanical device in hand. Would have been quite embarrassing.

OA is slapping the cuffs on Hannah in her robe to drag her ass to 26 Fed and OA and Maggie looked so confused when she asked if she can get dressed. As if they have never heard that request before.

How convenient Hannah and Scola have a connection with 9/11.

Hannah got lured in quick with some thirst pics. Left her dazed and confused.

Scola: "this isn't a TV show". Ha!

The Jubal "Jam" joke was corny but funny.

Shocker! No run this time in the park and it ended with a sniper taking the shot without the wasted drama of him asking Jubal/Isobel for clearance if he "should take the shot?". Although, it was reckless for Scola and Tiffany to engage the man in the park with innocent people around. Couldn't wait until he got to his car.

OA (of all people) is the voice of reason to tell Scola "it's not worth your career". A bomb in the city is going to go off. When is it worth it OA?

Nice of Felix to be gracious to leave 236 minutes on the bomb so Scola could drive to the Bronx or New Jersey to find his brother. This issue has to be raised at the next bomber's conference. 

If I am Pablo in the basement, I would have given myself a fighting chance to get away from Scola. Scola had one hand on the phone, Pablo could have made an attempt to flee instead of pleading over the phone.

Good to know the FBI bomb squad is inept and quick to haul ass out the basement.

If all else had failed, they could have used Rina's massive ego to cover the bomb blast.

Crisis was averted and of course sneaky Rina took credit she gave Scola the OK. She went on like it pained her to tell her boss. If the bomb went off Rina would have made sure Scola and Isobel are fired.

So Scola stayed away from his sister in law for 5 years to not help her raise the kids or any issues they might needed him? He stopped talking to them 15 years after 9/11?! I would have thought as time gone on, it would heal.

Edited December 8, 2021 by mxc90

[Xeliou66]

Intense episode - overall I liked it, though I disagreed with Scola’s choice to bring the brother to the sight of the bomb, the brother was completely innocent and Scola could’ve gotten him killed, that was morally wrong and Scola was thinking with his emotions and not his head. I liked that Isobel was ready to suspend him for it, and I’m not sure why Rina came in and helped Scola out of his jam, Rina doesn’t seem like the type to do that unless there’s something in it for her. I’m sick of the tension between Rina/Isobel and I hope Jubal doesn’t get dragged into whatever is between them, the show is better when Rina doesn’t appear. Speaking of Jubal, not enough of him tonight.

I did like getting more insight into Scola and what makes him tick, he’s always been a kind of a mystery man, and I wonder how much his brother’s death influenced that, so I liked getting more exploration into him. I like the Tiffany/Scola partnership.

Pretty good investigative stuff from everyone.

Overall a decent episode although I disagreed with Scola’s choice at the end and thought he should face repercussions, I’m still puzzled as to why Rina bailed him out.

[SunnyBeBe]

I won’t watch until this weekend. Glad it’s better.   

[Bobbin]

11 minutes ago, mxc90 said:

So Scola stayed away from his sister in law for 5 years to not help her raise the kids or any issues they might needed him? He stopped talking to them 15 years after 9/11?! I would have thought as time went on, it would heal.

The hole in your heart never goes away. Different people have different ways of coping with grief. Or not coping. One family member may regard the bedroom of the deceased as a shrine, e.g., and never want to leave it, while another may not be able to enter it. There is no time table for adjusting to grief, but much depends on how you choose to deal with it. Ultimately, you do what you have to do for yourself in your own time in your own way. Whatever path you choose, may it bring you comfort.

[preeya]

30 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Overall a decent episode although I disagreed with Scola’s choice at the end and thought he should face repercussions, I’m still puzzled as to why Rina bailed him out.

Actually, I agree with what he did. Besides the brother his ass was also on the line. IMHO he should get a raise, promotion and a ticker tape parade. From my point of view he's a hero.

[Dowel Jones]

Scola should have been benched the moment he blurted out "What does that even mean?" on the subject of right and wrong.  And then, one minute he's asking Hannah to do her part for her country, and the next he's threatening her with prison for accessory to terrorism.  If there is anyone who should have an attorney present, it's her.

If I was Pablo, I would take my story straight to some media outlet.  Watch the Deputy Director, Rina, Isobel, and Scola all squirm.

I guess Mel Brooks holds some kind of trademark on the passcode 1-2-3-4-5.  Nobody ever uses it.

[UnknownK]

4 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Overall a decent episode although I disagreed with Scola’s choice at the end and thought he should face repercussions, I’m still puzzled as to why Rina bailed him out.

She bailed him out because he got her a win instead of another 9/11 terrorist attack and that is all she cares about (career advancement).

Scolas choice was to take an innocent civilian to a bomb to force his terrorist brother to either watch him die or turn the bomb off. Let's face it a real terrorist would have blown his brother up. 

[Netfoot]

11 hours ago, preeya said:

Actually, I agree with what he did. Besides the brother his ass was also on the line. IMHO he should get a raise, promotion and a ticker tape parade. From my point of view he's a hero.

But for future reference, a soldering iron up the ass makes people real talkative, real fast.

By the way, kudos to the FBI facial recognition software which identified the subject of a random photo in 0.02 nanoseconds. Keep face-tagging yourself and all your friends on FecesBook, guys! Let's make it easy for them!

[MountaineerBro10]

Yeah this episode was definitely intense. Explains why Scola’s so sheltered. I’m sure it’s hard to feel you could’ve prevented your brother from getting killed on 9/11. I’m glad Tiffany cares for him.

It took balls to do what Scola did. Yes, it was stupid but still. It took guts. Bravo bro 👏

[LisaM]

Scola is my favorite character. I still don't see the point of having 3 chiefs: Rina, Isobel and Jubal. I liked Tiffany a lot more in this episode than previously. 

[Bobbin]

On 12/8/2021 at 1:09 AM, UnknownK said:

Scolas choice was to take an innocent civilian to a bomb to force his terrorist brother to either watch him die or turn the bomb off.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one." (Spock -- "The Wrath of Khan")  Did you know that in the future, your self-driving car would choose to send you into a tree rather than have you collide with a school bus? 

[Netfoot]

15 hours ago, Bobbin said:

Did you know that in the future, your self-driving car would choose to send you into a tree rather than have you collide with a school bus? 

Simple solution. Reprogram your car to believe that you are the school bus!

[Dowel Jones]

To which the program replies, "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave"

[mxc90]

Now that's the open I like. Good for the gun to malfunction after hitting Rina and spare Jubal. I will hope this is the last of Rina on the show as she will not be able to return to duty.

Isobel should have yanked Jubal out the interrogation room the moment she found out he was in there. She gave him a lot of leeway this episode.

Nice of the other agents in the office to withhold juicy water cooler gossip about Jubal and Rina being together. Or maybe the agents are clueless to figure it out.

If the ATF agent can easily fall for the phone trick by OA, he is most likely going to screw up his 2 year case. He did redeem himself a little with finding the hidden room.

Why would Winters need to have Castlewood know/follow Rina's daily moves if the machine is set up in front of her house to just shoot her on instant recognition? There's only one path to go when she walks out her front door. At least the machine was nice enough to let Jubal and Rina finish their kiss but drew the line for her to not have a sip of her coffee.

Could Ian be a little quicker telling Jubal and Isobel: they and others are target? He was more happy to tell them how it worked. Telling them they are the targets should have been the first words out his is mouth.

Vargas watched too many Terminator movies and tried to go cheap with a facial recognition sniper machine, instead of a trusted, reliable sicario. The machine couldn't even finish the job on Maggie as it didn't see her face. Back to the drawing board fool.

If Winters has five machines, why is he wasting one to put on the outside of the warehouse? How would he know those specific agents out of thousands would go there to chase him?

Elise must be thinking: what a girl gotta do to get on Vargas' hit list? 

Edited December 15, 2021 by mxc90

[MountaineerBro10]

Both FBI & Most Wanted were very good. This season has impressed me very me very much. International is still up in the air so we’ll see. But again, so far so good. Keep it up Wolf Entertainment!

[Xeliou66]

Really intense episode - I enjoyed it from start to finish, I particularly liked Jubal and Isobel’s stuff, they both had nice roles and it was compelling to watch their emotions from start to finish, and I completely understood Jubal’s feelings about the whole situation but I liked Isobel keeping him in check and saying they can’t stoop to Vargas’ level. I wasn’t rooting for Rina to die but I am kind of sick of her and I hope this is the end of her on the show, hopefully she’ll retire on disability or something and won’t be seen again.

I liked the role everyone had, nice balance of screen time for everyone including giving the background characters big roles. The investigation was good, even if there were a couple of things that bugged me, particularly Maggie and OA calling out that they were FBI to Castlewood when they were a long way away, usually that doesn’t bother me much, this time it did. Also the facial recognition stuff came back very quickly.

I don’t like Vargas, he’s too much of a supervillain, and I’ve never cared for supervillains. Fortunately his scene was brief and I hope he doesn’t keep popping back up. 

Overall this show has really been good this season, and it’s definitely my favorite of the 3 FBI shows. I’ve found every episode so far enjoyable. Hopefully the show continues to be good when it returns in January. 

[preeya]

Jubal was totally off the rails tonight, from start to finish.

Another runner and a car chase. They shouted to Castlewood from 50 yards away.

What's up with tech guy re-activating GPS in a car in less than 5 seconds?

They shouldn't have put David Zayas in the intro, I knew he was the all fearing perp that the underlings were afraid of.

 

[mythoughtis]

Isabel just casually mentions that she knew Jubal and Rina  were dating. Your underling is dating your boss?  No Big deal?  
I would prefer that we not go down the path of the supervillain waiting to strike them down  at least once a season. 

[Netfoot]

When Rina was shot, my immediate reaction was "Wow! Isobel is really pissed at her!"

My second reaction was "TPTB have been listening, and they have devised a satisfying way of getting her out of the series!"

When they called an ambulance instead of a meat-wagon, I realized that by next week she will be fine, and back being a waste of skin, as usual.

11 hours ago, preeya said:

Another runner and a car chase. They shouted to Castlewood from 50 yards away.

And they couldn't have been more obvious when they went to apprehend Winters without having a neon sign made.

This, plus the ridiculous, instantaneous, whizz-bang technological solutions they have to every query they need answering makes this show increasingly more diffricult to watch...

They pinged Castlewood's phone by getting the number of the device he used to call his probation officer? What, are we supposed to believe the guy put the number in Castlewood's file? Or did they just 'hack' the parole officer's phone and syphon out his dialer's "Recently" list? And wouldn't that list have the call coming from "Unknown" or at least from the innocuous name of the phone's owner, the prozzie who lent Castlewood her phone to make the call? Doesn't even the FBI need to get a warrant to 'hack' people's devices and spy on their calls, etc? Can a judge issue a warrant so quickly that it takes less than one second from when they decide to 'hack' the phone and when they have successfully done so?

And why is it that after learning about the face-recognition murder-bots being after them and realizing they had to keep their faces covered until further notice, that nobody even put on so much as an N95 mask for the remainder of the episode? Exception: When they went to the gunsmith with bandannas on their faces to find the maker of the robotic shooters, and immediately pulled down the masks when they discovered that there were no humans present. Oh, and BTW, that was the lamest, cheesiest hidden entrance to a "Secret Lair" I've ever seen.

For that matter, how come nobody in the episode was wearing a mask, in NYC, the mask-mandate capital of the world? (Not counting Jubal wearing the ugly scarf at the beginning to win points with the side-piece.) I watched carefully. Not a single mask was seen by anyone, including extras on the streets, people in the background, etc, etc. Nobody! If that's how they want to play it shouldn't they have just relocated to Florida for the duration?

 

[judyri]

I personally liked the ex putting Jubal in his place at the ending scene.  Not everything is about him.

[Dowel Jones]

I'll have to give it to Jeremy Sisto.  He does play wired up and tense quite well.  When Isobel asked him why he wasn't at the hospital, I was hoping he would say something like "They got mad because I was shouting at them all the time, 'Let's go people, the clock is ticking'.  Apparently they're all professionals there."

It never ceases to amaze me on these shows that, when they bring a criminal or ex con in for questioning, the guy never lawyers up from the start.  This guy was sort of an exception, but you know that cons know their rights and don't fall for the face to face yelling.

[12catcrazy]

I was really hoping that Rina was going to buy the farm.  anybody else who would've been shot in the chest like that would have been a goner.    She has been written as such an impossible to like person and the actress really sells it - do we really need to have her on this show?    

And the Wrath of Khan - opps Vargas - I liked Jubal's idea.  Turn him loose into the general prison population and Sing Sing Darwinism will take it's course.  

This show started out as a good show but has become typical Dick Wolf dreck.  Unfortunately for me, it's a case of my SO sits through some TCM Joan Crawford movie and then I have to sit through this.  

[UnknownK]

To be honest I don't understand why everyone doesn't just lawyer up when being questioned other than not wanting to pay for a lawyer (they are only free provided you are dead broke with nothing of value). I can see talking to local cops until you find out what they are after but shut the hell up if the feds are taking you in.

 

 

[Broderbits]

21 minutes ago, UnknownK said:

To be honest I don't understand why everyone doesn't just lawyer up when being questioned

Or at the very least Remain Silent! And don't fall for the old "we can't help you once you lawyer up".

[Trey]

2 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:

I liked Jubal's idea.  Turn him loose into the general prison population and Sing Sing Darwinism will take it's course.  

That is totally what Brenda Leigh Johnson would have done.

Actually, I thought they would be justified in killing him since he had promised that he would kill them and their families.  Sort of like an abused woman who knows her husband will kill her if she doesn't kill him first.

Isabel is pretty much a walkover - she should not have let Jubal in the interrogation room but a handwave from him and she says okay.

[Dowel Jones]

3 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:

Turn him loose into the general prison population and Sing Sing Darwinism will take it's course. 

That has some historical precedence, sort of.  I understand that when Joe Valachi, the original Mafia rat, was complaining about his prison accommodations, Robert Kennedy, who was the AG at the time, replied "Tell Joe if he doesn't shut up, we're going to turn him loose."

[Cristofle]

On 12/14/2021 at 11:25 PM, preeya said:

Jubal was totally off the rails tonight, from start to finish.

Agreed. Sisto did a great job, but Jubal was pretty out of control, and for me it was even more highlighted because I haven't entirely gotten past the way he decided to go at Maggie AT THE HOSPITAL when her sister had ODed (did she need to be warned it couldn't happen again? Yes. Did it need to be there? NOPE) and because one of its sister shows airing right after it had the lead more or less keeping himself together in a high stress situation where his family was threatened. It just seemed to highlight that Jubal was not exactly...FBIing well in the episode. 

It's not that I want Rina to DIE, I just hope she retires from the FBI and is not seen onscreen again.

[LisaM]

By the end of the episode, how have they eliminated the threat from Vargas to kill their families? 

[cameron]

On 12/15/2021 at 5:29 PM, Trey said:

That is totally what Brenda Leigh Johnson would have done.

Actually, I thought they would be justified in killing him since he had promised that he would kill them and their families.  Sort of like an abused woman who knows her husband will kill her if she doesn't kill him first.

Isabel is pretty much a walkover - she should not have let Jubal in the interrogation room but a handwave from him and she says okay.

Always love the term they use on Chicago P.D. for general population (Gen Pop).  Feels right at home.

[12catcrazy]

On 12/17/2021 at 7:11 AM, LisaM said:

By the end of the episode, how have they eliminated the threat from Vargas to kill their families? 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they haven't eliminated the threat from Vargas.  This is setting the situation up yet again where Vargas is going to be the "big bad" and there will be a crossover ep somewhere down the road.   This seems to be a Dick Wolf speciality - how many times was Olivia Benson( L&O SVU)  terrorized by some psycho guy before he was finally killed?