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This was overall a good episode - I did call a couple of plot points such as Tiffany’s preacher cousin being gay, and that the bouncer would be more involved, I wasn’t certain if he was the killer or not, but it didn’t surprise me he was.

Still a strong episode, and I really liked having an in depth investigation, the team followed a lot of leads and did good detective work in figuring things out and everyone had a good role.

I did wonder where OA was at the end, but I guess there was a lot of ground to cover so he wasn’t nearby.

I liked that we got more insight into the Tiffany/Scola partnership, I really like them and it was interesting to see more about Tiffany, and I liked their final conversation - Scola is something of an enigma, he never reveals much about himself, I wonder if we will learn more about him going forward. It was nice to get more of a focus on Scola/Tiffany in this episode.

Isobel was very good in this episode, I thought she handled Tiffany’s situation fairly, and I thought that Tiffany’s cousin deserved to be charged for lying, he diverted time and resources away from the investigation, I understood why he did it, and I thought they made good points about how homophobia is still present in the black community, but he deserved to get in trouble for lying.

Tiffany’s uncle was a homophobic asshole.

Overall a solid episode with a good investigation and good action. This season is off to a good start and this is my favorite of the FBI shows. 

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The case of the week was good except for the Tiffany family drama.  And rich that she chides Scola for being buttoned up and stiff but you'd think that when her father died, somebody at work would have known about it - maybe even sent a card from "the office" and flowers.   Seems as they're going to start mining some Tiffany/Scola drama bullshit. 

On a shallow note - is Missy Peregrym pregnant again?   She's wearing the baggy shirts and we're not seeing as much of her in the stories as in the past (well, pre-first baby).  

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Tiffany gets of light when Isobel decides not to fire her disobedient ass.

So of course she turns on Scola for being too "buttoned up" (and calls him an idiot), all the while saying nothing to anybody about her father's memorial or pretty much anything else in her life. When Scola replies "Maybe it is time..." I was praying he'd finish that with "...for me to get a decent partner!" because this isn't the first time she has done shit that he had every reason to walk away from.

But no. She repeatedly disobeys Isobel in a manner that even a rookie agent would know was prejudicial to the case, gets a "verbal warning" (IOW, no action taken) and then she gets snippy with her partner like the self-entitled asshole she is. And he apologizes to her.

If the intent of the writers was to make her the least appreciated member of the entire cast, they have succeeded, at least in my case. And that is difficult, given that they haven't dumped Jubal (Mr. Exposition), who has survived three complete seasons and a few extra episodes and still has not once performed one single useful action in the fulfillment of his job. It's like there is nothing his character is supposed to do. What is his damned job, anyhow?

 

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And Tiffany has the nerve to say I would NEVER jeopardize the integrity of a case....oh, except for about an hour or so earlier when she disobeyed Isobel and followed them to the stakeout.  Yes, she shot the guy and saved Scola but her indignant rhetoric bugs the hell out of me.  I wish Scola wouldn't just cave every time she gets that way.

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Tiffany getting indignant about Scola was pretty rich, given that she DID jeopardize the case - going in to talk to her cousin was a bad idea and she directly disobeyed orders in going to the showdown with the real killer. Also, what she was expecting of him was ridiculous. Of course he couldn't go to her first when he suspected a family member might be the killer. Taking that to his superiors protects her, him, and the case. Also, her cousin largely did this to himself. Thinking the FBI cared about his LOVE LIFE in the hunt for a serial killer was ridiculous, and lying to them about an easily refutable fact was simply stupid. Did he not know you can't lie to the FBI? 

That out of the way, it was a good case and I'm glad OA wasn't mad for once, lol. I did feel bad for the cousin - good actor at making me feel for him - but it was still SUPER bad decision making, as Tiffany said. I liked her with her cousin, just not with Scola.

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2 hours ago, Cristofle said:

lying to them about an easily refutable fact

Which they refuted, with photo proof, immediately and he still lied! At least normal people say "ok. you got me. I had reasons", or make up some story---"I was there to try to get people to give up their "lifestyle" and go back to church" or something).

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3 hours ago, illdoc said:

Which they refuted, with photo proof, immediately and he still lied! At least normal people say "ok. you got me. I had reasons", or make up some story---"I was there to try to get people to give up their "lifestyle" and go back to church" or something).

Yes, he could have said "Okay, sometimes I go to bars to try and reach people where they are." The FBI does not care if he's gay, so they don't really care WHY he was there if it wasn't to pick out his next murder victim - they care if he interacted with their victim. And if he'd copped to it as soon as they put the picture in front of him, I doubt it would have been pursued, but this is why lying to the FBI is a felony - if you stick to it, it can waste precious time. 

 

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Well they did what everybody wanted and walked up right next to the suspect before identifying themselves as FBI. They still had to chase him down several blocks, so that didn't seem to make a difference. I wonder if they set up the scene that way because they heard about people complaining that they were identifying themselves as FBI half a block away and wanted to shut them up lol.

What happened to the Priest is why you should always have an attorney with you when you go in for questioning, even if you are innocent. An attorney would have just told him to shut up and not answer, although I acknowledge that would make for boring TV.

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33 minutes ago, Rambler said:

Well they did what everybody wanted and walked up right next to the suspect before identifying themselves as FBI.

But they forgot the part where they stick the barrel of a .38 Special in the guys ear while identifying themselves.

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22 hours ago, Cristofle said:

And if he'd copped to it as soon as they put the picture in front of him, I doubt it would have been pursued, but this is why lying to the FBI is a felony - if you stick to it, it can waste precious time.

.. pretty much what happened to Martha Stewart - - instead of admitting she did wrong, she thought she could double down on the lie and finagle her way out.  That did not work. 

It was odd that they seemed to be trying to make us sympathetic towards a church leader  trying to defend his double life, hypocrisy and lying. It was not as if he was going to go to be sent to a concentration camp for being homosexual. 
Tiffany should have advised him against sticking to an easily refutable lie at the very beginning - instead of telling him at the end. That was some ham-fisted writing..

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2 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

And the church probably would have sent him to a concentration camp if they could.

Why would they do that? The church gives the clergy a pass for having sex with kids, so why would they object to this guy being gay? What, his partners aren't young enough?

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7 hours ago, shrewd.buddha said:

It was odd that they seemed to be trying to make us sympathetic towards a church leader  trying to defend his double life, hypocrisy and lying. It's was not as if he was going to go to be sent to a concentration camp for being homosexual. 

I agree with the above that he was afraid of his church and community, I'm just not sure why he thought the FBI was going to take out a bulletin about his sexuality. His community might care. His church might care (Tiffany had an anvil to that effect when she mentioned black people who are LGBT are still often ostracized in "her community" earlier in the episode). The FBI does not. And if he'd gone "My bad, I WAS there that night trying to reach out to the people where they were, must've gotten my dates mixed up" as soon as they flashed him that picture, they might not have BELIEVED him, lol, but they weren't going to go tell on him. But I guess with the writing, it spoke to his level of utter panic about being outed? 

For me, I'm mostly concerned about those pictures. They WERE creepy. Was he stalking gay black men under the guise of "taking notes for church"?

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The next episode will not air until November 2nd, but the description for S04.E05: Charlotte's Web, is up:

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After a suburban woman is kidnapped from her home, the team looks into trysts on both sides of a seemingly perfect marriage. Also, OA feels pressure from Mona to make changes in his career path.

 

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Not a good sign for OA. The last time Mona was on the show, OA & Mona argued quite a bit. Mona was hired as the suspect’s defense attorney & OA did not like that at all, since he wanted to put him behind bars. Plus, she wants to force him to make “career changes”? 🙄

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9 hours ago, Netfoot said:

Why would they do that? The church gives the clergy a pass for having sex with kids, so why would they object to this guy being gay?

He is a minister of a Baptist congregation, as he said earlier in the show.  The Baptist churches (although there are variations) often take a dim view of homosexuality.  The Catholic Church is irrelevant here.

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On 10/13/2021 at 11:41 AM, Netfoot said:

If the intent of the writers was to make her the least appreciated member of the entire cast, they have succeeded, at least in my case. And that is difficult, given that they haven't dumped Jubal (Mr. Exposition), who has survived three complete seasons and a few extra episodes and still has not once performed one single useful action in the fulfillment of his job. It's like there is nothing his character is supposed to do. What is his damned job, anyhow?

 

Without Jubal, who would yell, “Listen up, people!” to the agents?
 

 

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19 hours ago, topanga said:

Without Jubal, who would yell, “Listen up, people!” to the agents?
 

 

And without Jubal, how would viewers know what efforts the other agents were making to find the bad guy/gal? "Dragnet" had Joe Friday do the honors as both narrator and detective.

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If the Law & Order revival does come to pass, it makes me wonder if Jeremy Sisto (Jubal) will remain on FBI or if he will return to L&O as Det. Cyrus Lupo. Ditto Alana de la Garza (Isobel) who played ADA Connie Rubirosa there.

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3 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

If the Law & Order revival does come to pass, it makes me wonder if Jeremy Sisto (Jubal) will remain on FBI or if he will return to L&O as Det. Cyrus Lupo. Ditto Alana de la Garza (Isobel) who played ADA Connie Rubirosa there.

Anthony Anderson has said he was talked to For a 10 years later either he of Jeremy Sisto could be the Lieutenant.  Connie Rubirosa only has the D.A. left to rise to since Alana de la Garza's  character has done just about everything a prosecutor can over three Law 7 Order series.

But with three levels of Agents in Charge I guess either one can return to Law & Order and make FBI cleaner

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On 10/13/2021 at 7:31 PM, Cristofle said:

this is why lying to the FBI is a felony - if you stick to it, it can waste precious time. 

I don't get how lying got 2 more people killed.  The fbi needs to pursue all leads, not just the most convenient, that's their job.

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On 10/29/2021 at 10:29 PM, judyri said:

I don't get how lying got 2 more people killed.  The fbi needs to pursue all leads, not just the most convenient, that's their job.

If he'd been upfront from the start, they wouldn't have focused so much time on him. Also, because he lied - not refused to answer or lawyered up, but actively lied in a fairly ridiculous way - it made him look really guilty. It's a little shakier than it might have been in order to make the point, given the punishment, but I do think he forgot what they were actually doing because he was so concerned about his personal life and he probably wasted their time. 

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On 10/28/2021 at 4:46 PM, Johann said:

I like Jubal and his room of agents are one of my favorite parts of the show.

 

Agreed - I like Jubal a lot, I liked the actor as Lupo on L&O a lot and he’s good here as well, Jubal’s a cool character and I like seeing him in the bullpen or whatever they call the room running things and coordinating with everyone. I really like the background characters that Jubal interacts with, I like having a lot of people involved in the investigations, it makes the show feel more real and compelling.

BTW, is there a new episode tomorrow or not? I know there’s supposed to be one but I didn’t know if they would push it back because of the World Series.

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12 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

BTW, is there a new episode tomorrow or not? I know there’s supposed to be one but I didn’t know if they would push it back because of the World Series.

Just checked the cbs website---still indicating new shows tonight.

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This was a really strong episode - I loved the investigation and the twists, I couldn’t tell where the story was going for a lot of the episode, I liked that it turned out to be a stalker and I liked how they tracked him down, really good detective work by the team, everyone got something to do in this episode and the screen time was evenly split pretty much. This episode had the most detective work of any episode this season I think, it was a very strong hour. 

Creepy opening, and I didn’t see the twist of them finding the dead woman in the freezer coming.

I don’t care about OA/Mona, but I saw their breakup coming since last season. I wish we had found out whether Alex and Charlotte would stay together after it was revealed they were both having affairs, I was more invested in that than in OA/Mona.

Overall this was maybe the season’s best episode - suspenseful case with good investigation and teamwork. This is definitely my favorite of the 3 FBI shows.

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I was ready to throw in the towel with this show, but this episode was a good one. Like my old favorite Without a Trace.  But you know there’s no way they could have turned up a copy of the wife’s will.  There is no on line database of wills of people who are still alive. This just annoyed me more than my usual amount with the database magic stuff. 
Maybe she had a copy of her own will on her own computer and they had permission to search that?  Well then say so. 

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OMG! The writers actually fridged someone!

Does OA live in a cave? What was with that decor? Gray on... more gray? I thought my house was gloomy, with the curtains closed.

Man has a knife to the woman's throat and OA is practicing safe finger-off-the-trigger discipline, despite the real possibility of having to fire in a split second to save her life. And even though the guy had a big, neon sign on his forehead saying "Double-tap Here", OA holsters the weapon and talks him down. Because that was always going to be successful.

(But AlecCoughBaldwin, so...)

And for pity's sake, can we just have one episode where they walk up to a guy real nonchalant like, grab him by the collar and then shout "FBI!" please? Instead of hailing the guy from across the room full of leathered-up obstacle-people preventing them from catching him when he runs?

Must say the FBI is pretty efficient.

"Who's that guy in the background?"
<click, click, clickety-click>
"Name, address, job history, sexual preferences, high-school record..."
"Where is he now?"
<clickety-click>
"Pinging his cellphone (whose number I obviously know) at the following location..."
"What's he doing there?"
<click, click, click>
"Not sure, but financial records show that 18 months ago he bought a Mars bar at a shop around the corner."

 

 

I don't know how this photo of my new puppy's toys got in there (I didn't insert it) and I can't seem to delete it! I've tried 4 times and it goes away, but when I save, there it is again. So, sorry about that.

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2 hours ago, Netfoot said:

 

And for pity's sake, can we just have one episode where they walk up to a guy real nonchalant like, grab him by the collar and then shout "FBI!" please? Instead of hailing the guy from across the room full of leathered-up obstacle-people preventing them from catching him when he runs?

Must say the FBI is pretty efficient.

"Who's that guy in the background?"
<click, click, clickety-click>
"Name, address, job history, sexual preferences, high-school record..."
"Where is he now?"
<clickety-click>
"Pinging his cellphone (whose number I obviously know) at the following location..."
"What's he doing there?"
<click, click, click>
"Not sure, but financial records show that 18 months ago he bought a Mars bar at a shop around the corner."

 

 

My main complaint about this show.  It may be CBS-centric but I saw the same thing on NCIS-LA the other day.  

As a senior citizen sitting in a recliner with my dog at my feet while drinking coffee, this bugs me more than anything else I see on TV

I'd love to see them look ME up and check out my credentials... Ha ha

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2 hours ago, Netfoot said:

And for pity's sake, can we just have one episode where they walk up to a guy real nonchalant like, grab him by the collar and then shout "FBI!" please?

I think legally they have to identify themselves as LEOs first. But I don't think they have to do it from 20 feet away, LOL.

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And why did Scola just give up the chase when the two cars blocked his way?  10-15 seconds to get them out of the way, and he's back in business.  How far could the bad guy get, anyway?

11 hours ago, Netfoot said:

Must say the FBI is pretty efficient.

 

11 hours ago, Netfoot said:

I don't know how this photo of my new puppy's toys got in there (I didn't insert it) and I can't seem to delete it!

(tap tap tap) Checking database to cross reference new puppy adoptions with social media posts on forums about LE shows....

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1 minute ago, Dowel Jones said:

Checking database to cross reference new puppy adoptions with social media posts...

Ah-hah!  That's where I defeat the FBI! I'm not on social media!

Which according to more than one LE program I've seen, is a definite sign that I am guilty of something.....

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What?  No picture of the new puppy?  That's the real crime here.

And, yeah, you don't have to grab the guy before identifying yourself, but flank him, then tell him.  Chase scenes are boring anyway.

Still, like someone said above, this is my favorite of the FBI shows and one of my must-see television shows.

 

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10 hours ago, Johann said:

What?  No picture of the new puppy?  That's the real crime here.

I'm posting entirely too many on the Amazing Race Meet Market thread. Don't want to get swept into doing the same here or elsewhere.

10 hours ago, Johann said:

Still, like someone said above, this is my favorite of the FBI shows and one of my must-see television shows.

It's the only one I actually watch. Tried Most Wanted but gave up on that after very few episodes. Watched the triple-crossover season start, so I've watched exactly one episode of International, regret doing so, and hope to never do so again.

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Here is the synopsis for S04.E06: Allegiance, airing on November 9, 2021:

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The team must track down a shooter targeting detectives from the same precinct and unit, while facing mounting tension from the NYPD. Tiffany finds that her NYPD roots may be influencing her view of the situation.

 

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I don't like when they bring up Tiffany's past with NYPD because they write her so unlikable in those episodes, and they've done it too much lately. Every time they focus on her like this, I start to dislike her more. I'm still irritated they let her off so easy over the crap with her cousin and made Scola apologize to her.

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I felt bad for the jogger to have to wait around from night until morning to talk to the FBI still her sweaty outfit. Or maybe she was working out again early in the morning. That's dedication. 

I was caught by surprise when that bat came out fast flying at OA. I almost ducked too. Too bad he missed OA.

I feel bad for OA to always have to run in his nice suits while Maggie is always in jeans. What's the dress code there.

How did IAB miss Gerrad and Dane and just focused on Pat (Tiffany dug and found answers in minutes)? Ruiz didn't get a cut. Pat went to jail and died for these assholes?! $200K is missing, initially the two cops gave $10 grand to Pat, and eventually gave the $95 grand each they put in accounts to Pat's widow. After all that, they never put the money to their use.

The agents will soon have to go after the DeMarco brothers when they find soon to dead Alvarez.

Ruiz is clueless, she hears two cops she knows have been shot/killed and didn't sense she was next. She was so calm talking to Tiffany and Scola earlier. Call out sick for a month.

The FBI finds a list with Ruiz's name and address on it, Jubal talked to her as she got of shift and didn't bother advise her to not go home.

Ruiz waited a long time to confess after being shot, why bother speak up at that time?!

I liked that there was one agent next Jubal on the ready to get pizza. Jubal said "Go!" and he was off to the races. Wasted effort though! There were two boxes and soda on the front step not eaten.

All these agents/SWAT with a clear shot at Ray and Tiffany had to save herself. A little lame for Scola to just yell that powerful command: "Get the hell off her". 

I hope there's a follow up to this Tiffany/Ruiz situation (I doubt it). Instead of wasting screen time with Jubal/Rina in bed and having Isobel see them sharing a cab, they could have put some time in with Ruiz.

Isobel should have taken her flag pole and whacked Rina the snake.

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49 minutes ago, mxc90 said:

Instead of wasting screen time with Jubal/Rina in bed and having Isobel see them sharing a cab, they could have put some time in with Ruiz.

This ↑ is a given.  Jubal's bedtime squeeze is a total P.O.S.

 

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49 minutes ago, mxc90 said:

I feel bad for OA to always have to run in his nice suits while Maggie is always in jeans

Two more runner tonight and what's up with Maggie running after the guy on a bike. Why oh why are these run/chase scenarios part of every FBI episode??

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59 minutes ago, mxc90 said:

I feel bad for OA to always have to run in his nice suits while Maggie is always in jeans. What's the dress code there.

This has been bothering me too; the male agents always wear nicely cut suits while the female agents dress extremely casually. I wouldn't expect them to dress like the non-field agents but they should look more professional.

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This was a decent episode, I liked the case well enough, it was somewhat predictable, but interesting.

I did wonder why Ruiz wasn’t in protective custody, given that the 2 other cops involved in the theft had just been shot.

I had a feeling all along that police corruption would play a role in this.

I liked Tiffany’s role a lot and how her and Scola got a lot of screen time, they are enjoyable to watch. I also liked Jubal going off on the NYPD people at the hostage scene.

What I didn’t like was Rina, her and Isobel’s tension drags down the show, and I don’t get what Jubal sees in Rina, and I feel like this tension is going to boil over at some point and I’m just not a fan of it. 

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20 hours ago, mxc90 said:

How did IAB miss Gerrad and Dane and just focused on Pat (Tiffany dug and found answers in minutes)? Ruiz didn't get a cut. Pat went to jail and died for these assholes?! $200K is missing, initially the two cops gave $10 grand to Pat, and eventually gave the $95 grand each they put in accounts to Pat's widow. After all that, they never put the money to their use.

They "missed" it because they weren't looking. They didn't want another black eye for the NYPD. They already had their single "bad apple", why bother letting the public know that almost the entire orchard is wormy?

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I didn’t understand why the confession the injured cop made to the murdering young man was secret and not disclosed immediately after the young man was killed, in the subsequent investigation.  The injured cop acted like she was owed non-disclosure, because of who she was.  Also, Tiffany said the cops opened bank accounts in assumed names…what?  Regardless, they’d need a social security number or federal tax ID number to open an account.   And, all that  for $200,000.   That doesn’t go that far.  
 

I don’t care for Rina.  Are the viewers supposed to like her?  Maybe, it’s supposed to be a competition between her and Isobel and that’s provided as our entertainment.  It’s not working for me.  Neither are the contrived scenes that set up a foot chase. Just ridiculous.  It could almost be a drinking game, especially if you double feature it with FBI: International.  

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13 hours ago, Grrarrggh said:

They "missed" it because they weren't looking. They didn't want another black eye for the NYPD. They already had their single "bad apple", why bother letting the public know that almost the entire orchard is wormy?

Why would Internal Affairs be concerned about public perception? 2 more cops out of 33,000 shouldn't be a deterrent to dig deeper. Alvarez already named/accused the other 2 cops of stealing the money. They should have been on IAB's radar. OK writers.

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6 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

 

I don’t care for Rina.  Are the viewers supposed to like her?  Maybe, it’s supposed to be a competition between her and Isobel and that’s provided as our entertainment.  

My guess is that the viewers are NOT supposed to like Rina.  She's being shown as a conniver and as somebody who mainly cares about her own ambition.  Isobel SHOULD have been given Rina's job but wasn't and it was probably because Rina knows how to suck up to the right people and manipulate a situation to her advantage.  Isobel has been shown as a straight shooter who really cares about justice.   My guess is that the end game here is that the Rina and Jubal relationship is going to cause trouble and Rina is either going to be promoted up the ladder or or get a shalacking on the way down.   Rina is the villain who is there to cause internal FBI drama (and get the viewers booing) and maybe a stand-in for the assholes we have met in real life who get undeserved promotions and take credit from the people around them.   Thats why I think she will eventually get her comeuppance.  

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On 11/9/2021 at 7:07 PM, mxc90 said:

I liked that there was one agent next Jubal on the ready to get pizza.

I was laughing, thinking that the agent gets to the pizza parlor, looks at the menu, and orders "a personal, no, make that a small pizza, split half with all meat and half with everything on it except the anchovies and the jalapenos, and could I get a salad on the side and a small Coke?  I need it in 15 minutes, too"

Maggie and OA both stand on the wrong side of the car, trying to look inconspicuous, until the suspect walks out.  Did either of you think that of a more effective stake out strategy?

I am constantly amazed that long term criminals, when badgered by the agents in the interrogation room, don't lawyer up right away.  They've been down that road before.  I know it's a plot device, but some realism would be nice too.

Does that SWAT squad sit around all day, everyday, in a power crouch, waiting for the next armed entry?  And do they just sneak back to HQ when the building is cleared?

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