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S02.E08: And That's the End of It. There's Nothing Else.


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I'm so glad the series was renewed, but if S2 had been the end, it would have been a beautiful and fitting end for the show. It's been an excellent season.

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An underwhelming end to what I thought was an uneven season. 

I expected a pivot to Lestat’s POV in s3, but this season dragged around his shadow, even when irrelevant, to the detriment of other character’s stories. And it showed. Instead of writing an actual wrap up to the season, they hurriedly handed out bland reasonings to set things up for season 3. Chalking shoddy plotting up to patchy memories/perspective is lazy because flimsy recall or not, the narrative does actually have to cohere storytelling wise. The way they went really gave me MCU vibes, with all the obvious maneuvering they do in that franchise. But the inconsistency has been a season long issue. Overall, character motivations & actions have been all over the place, important plot points rushed, and character development watered down in order to force the plot into whatever shape the writers wanted for that week. I think the strong performances from the cast were only consistent aspect of the season. 

But even good acting can only do so much when the writing isn’t there. I liked the reveal—Interview With The Vampire, written, directed, created by Armand—who didn’t see that one coming? But I definitely expected more than for Louis to briefly flip out and then leave. Even afterwards, things felt mild, unconvincing, and tonally discordant. An end that was definitely more of a whimper than a bang. But maybe season 3 will put things in perspective. This wasn’t a bad episode of tv, but to me, it was definitely a substandard episode of Interview With The Vampire. 

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I am so glad there is more to come and that it's going to be about Lestat.

Had this been the end well it was beautiful that we got to finally meet real Lestat, first in the Paris dungeon, and then back home in New Orleons. I did cry over their shared grief for Claudia.

I wish Louis had realized himself how Armand had deceived him. But Daniel revealing the lying weasel Armand to Louis that was very satisfying indeed.

It was a very frustrating season for me. Not  enough Sam Reid. Not the real Lestat until the finale. Knowing the truth about Armand but having to watch the non book readers bamboozled by Armand and having to read comments about "evil" Lestat was not a pleasant experience for me.

It's going to be difficult to adapt The Vampire Lestat 

I hope they can pull it off.

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I did not enjoy Louis taunting Santiago that way in his "righteous" revenge. At least he finished him quick, I suppose. It was funny (and pathetic) when he tried to make Lestat feel bad by saying he will be with Armand forever (yuck) and Lestat just said "well...enjoy him". Perfect comeback.

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This episode was amazing, a perfect end to a rollercoaster of a season.  That scene where Louis chases down and taunts Santiago on the motorcycle reminded me of a similar scene in The Crow; City of Angels where Iggy Pop was stalked and killed.  Louis was so skillful in luring him to his death, it was rapturous.  As was the end-scene, where he openly dared the jealous hordes of the undead to come for him. 

I like how they gave Lestat just enough of a redemption before it was time for him to tell his side.  Their reunion was beautiful, and it makes sense that it was actually Lestat, not Armand who saved him.   I did think Louis/Lestat would be recoupled, but it looks like Louis wants some alone time after just showing Armand the door, which makes sense. 

I was not expecting Daniel to be a vampire!  I'm guessing we'll see more of how that went down in flashbacks next season. Though he didn’t explicitly name Armand, just ‘his maker,’ it seems clear.  Daniel being a powerful vampire himself, the only fledgling of Armand, similar to Lestat/Magnus makes it more likely that he’d approach Lestat to write his side next season, not as a vulnerable human, but a fellow vampire.

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I dug everything EXCEPT that hug between Louis & Lestat.

It simply didn’t ring true, and felt like fanfic.

Having said that, I’m looking forward to the Vampire Lestat.

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I will take whatever Sam Reid they want to give us, but I just can’t see this Lestat feeding on rats and lamenting this Claudia’s death for 70 years or even being this heartsick over Louis.  Sad, yes, but still living his best life.  

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2 hours ago, For Cereals said:

I just can’t see this Lestat feeding on rats and lamenting this Claudia’s death for 70 years or even being this heartsick over Louis.  Sad, yes, but still living his best life.  

This is the first time we've seen Lestat.  Sam Reid has said repeatedly in interviews that the show has never shown the real Lestat because we've only been getting depictions of him through other people's narrative.  He said the closest to the real Lestat was probably when Armand "called" Lestat to tell him about Louis hurting himself. 

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That was a glimpse of Lestat at the end.  Unless you have actually read his books, especially the first book, you don't know Lestat. Lestat is many things, all of them complicated. He isn't in the old movie.  He isn't that twisted thing Louis saw him as. And he certainly isn't what the pathetic cremlin tried to sell.

Daniel can have anything he wants. He is awesome! A human exposing Armand! I too was shocked at the timing of his turning.  

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What a great ending!  I was counting down the 4 vampires that escaped from the coven, so I was wondering what happened to the last one.  What a great reveal that he was Talamasca.

The image of those rocks still being in Louis' feet had me grimace.  He has to feel them every time he walks.

I was not expecting for Daniel to be turned.  I thought he was possessed or something during his interview.

Lestat is such a diva.  He's living in squalor, playing "piano" on a piece of cardboard - but he managed to turn a millennial vampire and have Wi-Fi installed.  The reunion was moving, though.

I'm glad Louis decided to embrace his vampirism at the end.

Can't wait for the next season.

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If the story ended here I would be ok with it.   Mostly.   I mean it was a beautiful way to end the story of Louis and Lestat.  
 

 I did really like the interview parts with Malloy being a hero in his own right finally putting the truth together because that is who he is.

The actor who plays Malloy had “vampire” on his bucket list.  So I am glad he got to have it happen and wouldn’t mind seeing more of him season 3.   

 

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I loved it!  I'm not usually a fan of genre shows.  I typically just wait for them to do something irritating and then I peace out but this show is just amazing.  It's so smartly made and the actors are terrific. 

I got a kick out of the jazzy revenge fantasy Louis put in place up to the point that he killed Santiago.  And I laughed out loud at how the "background" music instantly stopped in NOLA when Lestate said "Siri, pause." 

40 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

So I am glad he got to have it happen and wouldn’t mind seeing more of him season 3.

I think we will.  They seemed to hint at Daniel and Louis having become friends since the interview.  I also suspect there's more to know about how he was turned that we'll get in flashbacks.  Did Armand really do it out of spite?  Or did he finiish the death seduction he started in San Fran? 

I'm pretty sure I read that Sam, Jacob, Assad and Eric will be back. 

I haven't read the books but I do know a tiny bit about them:

Spoiler

Armand and Daniel have a story in the books that they should could explore should they decide to. 

 

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So great! I loved it. Loved the reunion between Lestat and Louis. I love that the show is highly gothic and dramatic and yet still has a sense of humor about itself. I laughed out loud when Lestat said "Siri, pause."

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Forgive two stupid questions (non book reader), but I must have missed how Louis, Armand and Lestat have seemingly unlimited financial resources. 

Also... Lestat can stay buried for a century, and live off his "ancient blood" for sustenance, yet Louis was already starving to death after a relatively short while? I must have missed this vampire-verse explanation. 

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This season at times could be a little ambling, but this was a great finale. I am really glad that we will be getting more but if this was the end of the show I would be satisfied. We got to wrap up several plot lines but there is still a ton to explore, especially now that we are past the actual interview and are presumably moving into the next book. A lot of things make sense now, like the Talamasca having a guy on the inside of the Paris coven and Armand's part in the murder play. 

I cant wait to hang out with modern day Lestat, dramatically living in squalor in the middle of a hurricane while adding dramatic background music on Siri, glad to see that he's love of drama continues well into the 21st century. I am also really curious to see how he is like the Lestat we have been seeing in flashbacks, especially now that its been confirmed that Armand has been manipulating Louis. Their big reunion and mutual grief over Claudia felt so real, while being so gothic romance-y, just what I wanted from them. 

Next season will we see Lestat taking the music industry by storm singing alternative pop duets with Olivia Rodrigo? 

I didn't see Daniel being turned, that's certainly a good reason for him to stick around. He's looking good, becoming undead has apparently done wonders for his mood and style. Louis also seemed to be doing pretty good even after the disastrous break up, it seemed really happy to be back home in New Orleans. 

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3 hours ago, Bcharmer said:

Forgive two stupid questions (non book reader), but I must have missed how Louis, Armand and Lestat have seemingly unlimited financial resources. 

Also... Lestat can stay buried for a century, and live off his "ancient blood" for sustenance, yet Louis was already starving to death after a relatively short while? I must have missed this vampire-verse explanation. 

I watched the original movie but didn’t read the book.  A lot of stuff might have been explained better in the book and the current version is going with “don’t worry about it” explanations for a lot of things.   You can infer that Lestat is just older and the direct descendant of an ancient like Armand is supposed to be.  While Louis is few decades old by this point so relatively young vampire age speaking.

As for money Louis has always been a smart businessman.  He managed to make a profit as a black man during Jim Crow.  Plus according to banker dude in one of the episodes he was Lestat’s next of kin.   I have no doubt Louis made some good investments over the decades and have several shell companies by the time he calls older Daniel Malloy to untangle the truth of his life. 

 

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I loved it too so I won't repeat what everyone already said, but I have to say I suddenly and unexpectedly became fond of Armand now that his secrets are exposed and Louis dumped him. We'll see if that feeling continue in season 3 😆

The ending with Louis in an expensive penthouse room sending out the message "Come get me. If you dare." seems so familiar. Where have I seen this before?

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Magnus, Lestat's maker they keep mentioning, hoarded the wealth of his victims for centuries. Lestat was his heir in every sense. Louis is still a relatively young vampire and doesn't have Lestat's strength.

After finding some of this season uneven almost to the point of tedium when Lestat was offscreen for long stretches. I really loved this finale. It sounds like the showrunners were fairly confident they would be getting a third season as AMC apparently gave Rolin Jones a fairly generous development deal after they'd already spent a bundle acquiring Anne Rice's entire catalog, but it wasn't official heading into making this. So they needed an ending that would be satisfying if that was indeed the end with nothing else, but also needed to get all the characters into place for the story to firmly move out of Interview with the Vampire and into The Vampire Lestat territory. So it succeeded on both levels.

I also really love the first time we see the "real" Lestat not through anyone else's filters, it's a small bit of quiet in the middle of a literal hurricane. If that doesn't sum up that relationship, I don't know what does. Both actors were so raw and lovely in that scene. And from that Lestat will rise.

Of course I know who Raglan James is as a book character and how he'll eventually figure into all of this, but I'm still puzzling a bit that the Talamasca would really care whether Louis and Armand end up together enough to be forwarding 70-year-old documents to influence the outcome of the interview. It probably really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but it seemed like they were playing pretty and fast and loose with Daniel's safety in doing that after admitting that Vampire Sam had been one of their own before he was turned and that they haven't had the greatest track record keeping any of their informants alive. Was a little surprised to see Daniel turned this early in the story, but it makes all the sense with this version of Armand. He thought he'd "won" at the end of the interview and couldn't resist getting cocky with that little dig that poor sad Lestat really had always loved Louis. Louis was kind of an idiot to think the guy he'd just dumped by slamming him into a wall would do as he was told to leave Daniel alone instead of making him his fledgling out of revenge and spite. But it looks good on Daniel, so I guess we'll see where it goes.

As a former New Orleans resident, I loved loved loved Louis stumbling upon the ghost tour on his former doorstep with its half-true mangled history. Of course that's the kind of thing that would pass into legend in that town.

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Even small investments would really grow if one were to be around hundreds of years.

Louis was a smart business man even as a mortal man.

As for Lestat, to be vague, his lineage is such that he has a lot of inherited wealth.

His lineage is also the reason why he is a lot more resilient than most other vampires.

I am sure next season will go into some of this

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I don't know. I liked the first season just fine, I didn't even mind the changes to the story. But I found this season a real slog to get through. There just seemed to be SO MUCH filler. And I was bored to tears with all the theater stuff. Granted this was always my least favorite part of the story so that didn't help. Still, there was an awful lot of padding.

The finale was OK but I think maybe you have to be a real devotee of the book series to appreciate this. I never read past the first book so maybe I'm just not the audience for this. 

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2 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

The finale was OK but I think maybe you have to be a real devotee of the book series to appreciate this. I never read past the first book so maybe I'm just not the audience for this. 

I haven't read any of the books or seen any of the other movies.  I typically am not a fan of genre shows.

But I absolutely LOVE this series so far. Both seasons. I just think it's a 'you like what you like' because there are book readers who don't like the changes, no matter how well done.

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For me it got tedious to have so many scenes of Louis saying something then Daniel making some snarky remark. The interview went on too long . I did like the ending and was happy to get rid of the theater scenes since I still don’t believe people would want to come week after week to see something so odd. I believe the vampire fans who paint their faces would but not regular people who in those days would not  have exposure to such strange stuff. I do have a soft spot for Lestat so happy to see him redeemed at the end.

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I for one was pleased with this episode, I thought it wrapped up the source material very well and it worked perfectly as either a setup for the next book or a series finale if AMC had not renewed. I am also pleased to know the Vampire Sam did not perish by Louis hand, and I have to assume he met another Sam in Paris with whom he passed on "Waiting for Guido." 

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15 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

Was a little surprised to see Daniel turned this early in the story, but it makes all the sense with this version of Armand. He thought he'd "won" at the end of the interview and couldn't resist getting cocky with that little dig that poor sad Lestat really had always loved Louis. Louis was kind of an idiot to think the guy he'd just dumped by slamming him into a wall would do as he was told to leave Daniel alone instead of making him his fledgling out of revenge and spite. But it looks good on Daniel, so I guess we'll see where it goes.

This reminds me. Too lazy to go back and confirm, but didn't Louis say that if he touched Daniel, Louis would kill Armand? So did he?

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I agree with others here that the season dragged in parts and while I can understand wanting to keep the actor around and employed, it would have done the show more of a service and would have been a much bigger impact, if Lestat had been actually gone for most of the season and only shown up at the trial. Maybe they could have instead given him time to do a short film or something. I'm sure he has offers.

On the other hand there were also good parts. The new actor they had for Claudia was great and I loved all the parts she was in. Then there was the flashback to the original interview, which was great. The trial at the end was exciting and you knew something else was up with it, which was intriguing. But yeah, the other parts really could have been condensed by ~2 episodes.

But I really liked this ending this episode. I think it hit all the right beats from a story and emotional perspective.

The only thing I don't like about it is Daniel having been turned into a vampire. I don't know if it's really the case, but it feels like a hurried reshoot after they got renewed for a third season. It also doesn't fit with what Louis said to Armand. He said "You are not to touch him! Do you understand? You harm him in any way, I will kill you. Do you understand?" There is no loophole there. Turning somebody into a vampire certainly involves touching and harming. If he had said "don't kill him", then there would be an argument to be made, but he didn't. So I hope Armand is actually dead after this. Otherwise I will have lost all the respect I had for Louis. This should not be, can not be, an idle threat.

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Oh yeah, one more thing. Could Lestat not also have saved Claudia? He still seems very broken up about her death 70 years later. He also seems to be extremely powerfull, certainly more powerfull than anybody in that coven besides Armand, but probably also him. If what he says is true he can't even be killed if he doesn't want to be killed.

I would have liked a bit more of an explaination as to why he coudn't or wouldn't save her, when he saved Louis.

Also why does the Talamasca want to break up Louis and Armand? What do they care if one Vampire is lying to another? Did I miss something? Well maybe that will become clear in future seasons.

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On 6/30/2024 at 8:54 AM, babyrambo said:

Instead of writing an actual wrap up to the season, they hurriedly handed out bland reasonings to set things up for season 3. Chalking shoddy plotting up to patchy memories/perspective is lazy because flimsy recall or not, the narrative does actually have to cohere storytelling wise.

I think were sufficiently wraped up. Of course not everything will be wraped up in a season finale, that isn't a series finale.

What shoddy plotting did they chalk up to shoddy memories and/or perspective? The only thing is the tractor salesman in New Orleans. That was a retcon to a fuckup they had made in season 1. But everything in this season was clearly a deliberate setup for the "twist" at the end. Like Sam being in two places at once.

23 hours ago, Bcharmer said:

Also... Lestat can stay buried for a century, and live off his "ancient blood" for sustenance, yet Louis was already starving to death after a relatively short while? I must have missed this vampire-verse explanation. 

Even Louis would never die of having too little blood. It just drives them slightly insane. Probably same happened with Lestat, but that seems to be kinda his normal state.

 

 

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39 minutes ago, PurpleTentacle said:

The only thing I don't like about it is Daniel having been turned into a vampire. I don't know if it's really the case, but it feels like a hurried reshoot after they got renewed for a third season. It also doesn't fit with what Louis said to Armand. He said "You are not to touch him! Do you understand? You harm him in any way, I will kill you. Do you understand?" There is no loophole there. Turning somebody into a vampire certainly involves touching and harming. If he had said "don't kill him", then there would be an argument to be made, but he didn't. So I hope Armand is actually dead after this. Otherwise I will have lost all the respect I had for Louis. This should not be, can not be, an idle threat.

Armand turning Daniel would have been part of the plan for this season. That was not a hurried reshoot or something edited in at the 11th hour after AMC announced season 3. I figure the show will give us some flashbacks of Armand and the younger Daniel actor next season to show us how and why Armand knew so much about Daniel's life between that week in San Fran in 1973 and when Daniel showed up in Dubai. It was not all Armand reading Daniel's mind or he would have caught on to Daniel talking to Raglan and Rasheed. 

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4 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Armand turning Daniel would have been part of the plan for this season. That was not a hurried reshoot or something edited in at the 11th hour after AMC announced season 3. I figure the show will give us some flashbacks of Armand and the younger Daniel actor next season to show us how and why Armand knew so much about Daniel's life between that week in San Fran in 1973 and when Daniel showed up in Dubai. It was not all Armand reading Daniel's mind or he would have caught on to Daniel talking to Raglan and Rasheed. 

If it was always the plan for this season they didn't integrate it well.

But I doubt it. Just because it's in the books doesn't mean it automatically happens here. They diverged dramatically from the books, including Daniel's and Armand's relationship.

It seems very much like they had this episode written in a way that would have ended the series and that would not have involved Daniel being turned, as that opens too many new doors. Then, when they got renewed, they decided to stick closer to the book afterall.

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3 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

Was this the first time Lestat has menttioned Akasha?

He mentions Those Who Must Be Kept in season 1 but doesn't offer any context at all. It's his response when Louis is talking about going to Europe and mentions Greece.

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4 hours ago, Starchild said:

This reminds me. Too lazy to go back and confirm, but didn't Louis say that if he touched Daniel, Louis would kill Armand? So did he?

He did say not to touch him/don't harm him but I guess there's room for debate if Daniel thinks he was harmed.  He looked like he was living his best life. 

1 hour ago, PurpleTentacle said:

If it was always the plan for this season they didn't integrate it well.

I think they wanted to make it the surprise twist/reveal at the end and they did that.  I don't think that's the last we'll learn about Daniel and Armand even if we never see the actual turning. 

I am not familiar with the Daniel/Armand story from the books but I do think they've been hinting at more than we've been shown with them from the way he almost seduced Daniel into death back in San Fran to Armand knowing more about Daniel than Louis. 

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2 hours ago, PurpleTentacle said:

I would have liked a bit more of an explaination as to why he coudn't or wouldn't save her, when he saved Louis.

I'm presuming he was still very weak from his near-murder and only had the strength to save one (it did seem to be taxing him), and he chose Louis. He may have loved Claudia, but he loves Louis more.

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I think Lestat didn't save Claudia because he didn't want to save her. Never intended to (though Jacob Anderson feverently believes Lestat would have saved her if he had to strength to do so). He was there to get his justice for her orchestrating his "murder" and ensure Louis doesn't die.


For a great number of years in their relationship, Lestat has resented Claudia and they grew to hate each other. When he defended her strength to the coven I think the weight of what was going to happen was settling on him, but he still was fine with letting it happen. I don't think things changed for him until she looked at him as she was burning that he realized that there was still that earlier love there and she was reaching out to him in her moment of pain. I think that's when he realized he did care about her. Lestat was gutted watching her die.

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18 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

He did say not to touch him/don't harm him but I guess there's room for debate if Daniel thinks he was harmed.  He looked like he was living his best life. 

 

We also do have to remember that Armand is likely stronger than Louis.  Louis might have been used to being in charge of their relationship and the more dominant partner, but that seems to be a combination of Armand's mind twisting skill and Armand choosing to be submissive. 

Armand could easily have killed Daniel and strewn small pieces around the apartment, and I'm not sure that Louis would really have been able to do much about it.  I don't think fear of Louis killing or maiming Armand is going to stop Armand.

 

14 hours ago, AngieBee1 said:

I think Lestat didn't save Claudia because he didn't want to save her. Never intended to (though Jacob Anderson feverently believes Lestat would have saved her if he had to strength to do so). He was there to get his justice for her orchestrating his "murder" and ensure Louis doesn't die.


For a great number of years in their relationship, Lestat has resented Claudia and they grew to hate each other. When he defended her strength to the coven I think the weight of what was going to happen was settling on him, but he still was fine with letting it happen. I don't think things changed for him until she looked at him as she was burning that he realized that there was still that earlier love there and she was reaching out to him in her moment of pain. I think that's when he realized he did care about her. Lestat was gutted watching her die.

Maybe? I'm undecided about it, honestly.

The problem is those episodes seem to have been told through mostly Claudia's POV, and Claudia was a teenager.  She might have been a teenager who wanted to be older and was brilliant, but there are things her brain just wasn't able to do; it wasn't fully developed, yet, and because of the vampire thing, it never would.

I have no problem believing Lestat was jealous and resentful of Claudia--especially during the years Louis was so depressed after her absence and the years after the drop when Claudia seems to be the reason Louis would not reunite with him.

But, teenagers rarely see their parents and guardians in a neutral light, especially if they blame that parent/guardian for a decision or consequence.  Lestat could love her fiercely and want to protect her, and she may not be able to see it.

 

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That's a really good point. I kind wish there would be some flashbacks to that time from Lestat's point of view just to see how it is that he saw their relationship. I know in the books he really was devastated and haunted by her death, which they showed here. But also during their trio years (which was much longer in the book- like 65 years), he was shown as taking her under his wing just as much as Louis, in terms of them being the two dads, and how they had much more in common with each other, their violent nature, etc. That would be interesting to have seen more of.

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On 7/3/2024 at 7:30 AM, ruby24 said:

That's a really good point. I kind wish there would be some flashbacks to that time from Lestat's point of view just to see how it is that he saw their relationship. I know in the books he really was devastated and haunted by her death, which they showed here. But also during their trio years (which was much longer in the book- like 65 years), he was shown as taking her under his wing just as much as Louis, in terms of them being the two dads, and how they had much more in common with each other, their violent nature, etc. That would be interesting to have seen more of.

We will for sure see this in season 3, since it is Lestat setting the record straight after the lies spread about him in the book.

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I didn’t think this season dragged at all.  My favorite scenes were always the interview scenes in Dubai.   I know people watch explicitly for Lestat so any scene he isn’t on might bore but I found the story in Paris intriguing.     I really enjoyed Claudia this season and her unexpected love story.    I honestly didn’t miss Lestat but I was glad when he returned if that makes any sense.   The theater group was fun because it was Claudia’s dream that turned into a nightmare.      And I really liked Armand in both timelines.  

The finale where he just couldn’t resist saying that Lestat loved Louis because he thought it was over and then to have Daniel use that statement against him.  The whole I tore down your house of cards and I have receipts scene is probably my favorite scene of the entire season.  The look Daniel gives Armand before Armand gets up to chase Louis should be a meme.    
 

 

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