Spoiler, Speculation and Social Media

[Absolom]

No, Kody was still trying to rook the equity in the house out of Christine as she was leaving.  

[Elizzikra]

1 hour ago, smarty said:

Janelle really did lose out financially by not buying a house in Flagstaff when the rest of them did.  Robyn and Kody paid $890,000 for their house in 2019 (when Robyn had the meltdown about buying vs renting) and now it is estimated to be worth $1,482,000.  Will they split the proceeds with Janelle? 

They will only have proceeds if they sell before it's foreclosed. I hope they are keeping up the payments. Assuming they put 20 percent down (which I think is unlikely) their mortgage payments are probably about $7,000 a month.

[GeeGolly]

I have Sister Wives reruns on in the background. In the RV leveling episode, In a TH Christine says, "oh yea, I fell in love with the property, I would imagine all us wives living there, I couldn't wait to build".

It seems Christine has been leaving Kody for years until she didn't and then more years, until she finally did.

[Fosca]

15 hours ago, Gramto6 said:

I was thinking Sobyn maybe thought Christine would "mother" her children if they were"friends"?

I sometimes think Robyn thought she was going to be able to dump her kids (present and future) on Christine the same way she dumped her overdue Victoria's Secret bills on the counter once she married Kody--no longer her problem!  However, Christine wasn't willing to go along.  Hence the nannies.

[Joan of Argh]

5 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

This adds to the crazy. From the get-go the Browns, including Janelle herself, sold us on the financial wizard that is Janelle. 

Robyn is living in a million dollar mansion, Christine owns a home in UT, Meri owns Lizzie's and Janelle owns a depreciating RV and a pile of poopy dirt.

When did Christine buy a home in Utah?

Last I heard christine was renting one half of a duplex that Mykelti found for her.

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

When did Christine buy a home in Utah?

Last I heard christine was renting one half of a duplex that Mykelti found for her.

I thought she bought it, no?

[65mickey]

7 hours ago, Libby said:

I watched episode 10.

I didn't understand it exactly, but Janelle said that she screwed herself financially. She said the only asset that she has is tied up in Coyote Pass and Kody is saying they are out of money and can't do anything with it. I fear that Janelle is going to end up with nothing after pouring money into this family for all these years. It's a shame that she didn't protect herself financially.

With people like Kody and Robyn, you just have to cut your losses and move on. The most important thing is to get away from them.

I think that poor Janelle has to start over from scratch. It's very sad.

 Wait how did you watch episode 10? It hasn't aired yet.  Are you speaking about episode 10 from another season? I'm confused because I don't remember Janelle saying this but I don't doubt that this is going to happen to Janelle especially after she blew at least $50,000 on an RV. 

[ginger90]

1 minute ago, 65mickey said:

 Wait how did you watch episode 10? It hasn't aired yet.  Are you speaking about episode 10 from another season? 

Libby is referring to the episode that airs today.

[65mickey]

She said she watched episode 10 and reported what Janelle said about her finances.

[Gramto6]

Aren't the episodes aired earlier in the day on Discovery+? Or somewhere...

[65mickey]

Maybe so. I didn't realize this. I know Bravo airs some of thier shows a week early on Peacock.

[GeeGolly]

I think some streaming channels air them early. There is also an article out discussing what Libby posted here.

[zamp33]

26 minutes ago, Gramto6 said:

Aren't the episodes aired earlier in the day on Discovery+? Or somewhere...

Yes - if you subscribe to Discovery Plus they release them on Sunday morning. 

[GeeGolly]

From the article about tonight's episode.

Spoiler

Janelle admits that she realized she doesn’t have any assets for her children since everyone else in the family’s name is also on it. “I have gotten myself in a very stupid position as far as an independent woman. If I were to leave, or want to leave right now, I would have no estates. I have nothing to leave to my kids. My hands are completely tied ’cause everything I have asset-wise has everybody else’s name on it, too,” Janelle admits.

[65mickey]

Good Lord. She must have been so brainwashed to do this. Robyn and Kody's names are on the majority of the deeds on the Coyote Pass lots so if they sell them they will walk away with the bulk of the proceeds. 

[altopower]

Maybe THAT's the reason Janelle left (if she did). Because after all this time of playing the plyg game, she owns nothing (except the RV?) and has no assets to leave her children. 

[smarty]

12 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

From the article about tonight's episode.

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Janelle admits that she realized she doesn’t have any assets for her children since everyone else in the family’s name is also on it. “I have gotten myself in a very stupid position as far as an independent woman. If I were to leave, or want to leave right now, I would have no estates. I have nothing to leave to my kids. My hands are completely tied ’cause everything I have asset-wise has everybody else’s name on it, too,” Janelle admits.

I feel sorry for Janelle in regards to the real estate holdings in the family.  She lost out by not having a house in her name in Flagstaff, to build equity.  The Coyote Pass lots were bought as 4 separate deeds, and the one deed that has Janelle's name on it was purchased for $170,000 but they only put $23,800 down on it and financed the rest ($147,200).  Robyn's lot was identically financed.  Meri's lot and Christine's lot were paid in full.  I'm curious how Kody views the nearly $800,000 in "theoretical" equity he has in his and Robyn's house - does he view that as part Janelle's?

[mythoughtis]

2 minutes ago, smarty said:

I feel sorry for Janelle in regards to the real estate holdings in the family.  She lost out by not having a house in her name in Flagstaff, to build equity.  The Coyote Pass lots were bought as 4 separate deeds, and the one deed that has Janelle's name on it was purchased for $170,000 but they only put $23,800 down on it and financed the rest ($147,200).  Robyn's lot was identically financed.  Meri's lot and Christine's lot were paid in full.  I'm curious how Kody views the nearly $800,000 in "theoretical" equity he has in his and Robyn's house - does he view that as part Janelle's?

It’s too bad that Christine felt she needed to release  her equity in that lot to Kody.  It would  have been a gesture to release  it to Janelle instead. Or maybe it was titled in all their names? 

[smarty]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I thought she bought it, no?

I think she rents, although I'm not positive.

Edited November 13, 2022 by smarty

[Gramto6]

10 minutes ago, smarty said:

  I'm curious how Kody views the nearly $800,000 in "theoretical" equity he has in his and Robyn's house - does he view that as part Janelle's?

Yeah sure, never going to happen!!

Edited November 13, 2022 by Gramto6

[smarty]

What's especially sad is Janelle's old house in Las Vegas is probably worth about $862,000 now (she sold for around $575K when they moved).  She personally would have had much more equity in her own name if they had stayed put.  Kody and Robyn probably don't care though because their Flagstaff house has risen in value anyway.

[ginger90]

26 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

It’s too bad that Christine felt she needed to release  her equity in that lot to Kody.  It would  have been a gesture to release  it to Janelle instead. Or maybe it was titled in all their names? 

I believe it’s because it was an exchange. She signed the lot over, and got to keep any proceeds from her house. 

[65mickey]

The one lot that Christine's name was on was titled in Kody, Robyn and Christine's names. It is the largest and is fullly paid for. So guess who walks away with the most money now that Christine quit claimed her ownership of this lot? Kody and Meri also own a lot the I believe is fully paid for.  

[Gramto6]

Coyote Pass is beginning to look  like a way for Kootie and Sobyn to line their pockets with as much $$ as possible. Sad.

[smarty]

The amazing mystery about Coyote Pass is how they afforded it in the first place:  They paid $820,000 for the 4 lots, putting down $527,600 and financing $292,400.  How did they come up with the $527,600 down payment to buy the lots - as this was BEFORE they sold their Las Vegas houses.  

[ginger90]

1 minute ago, smarty said:

The amazing mystery about Coyote Pass is how they afforded it in the first place:  They paid $820,000 for the 4 lots, putting down $527,600 and financing $292,400.  How did they come up with the $527,600 down payment to buy the lots - as this was BEFORE they sold their Las Vegas houses.  

Kody put in 2,638 hours?

[Gramto6]

3 minutes ago, smarty said:

The amazing mystery about Coyote Pass is how they afforded it in the first place:  They paid $820,000 for the 4 lots, putting down $527,600 and financing $292,400.  How did they come up with the $527,600 down payment to buy the lots - as this was BEFORE they sold their Las Vegas houses.  

We have said here about a thousand times that their finances are a huge mystery.

[65mickey]

And how did they decide whose names went on which lots especially the 2 that are paid for?

[nosedive]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

From the article about tonight's episode.

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Janelle admits that she realized she doesn’t have any assets for her children since everyone else in the family’s name is also on it. “I have gotten myself in a very stupid position as far as an independent woman. If I were to leave, or want to leave right now, I would have no estates. I have nothing to leave to my kids. My hands are completely tied ’cause everything I have asset-wise has everybody else’s name on it, too,” Janelle admits.

In a co-ownership contract, if she really wants out, wouldn't she be able to sue to force the sale of the property or to have the other co-owner/s buy her out?  

[xwordfanatik]

Did they draw straws?  That seems as likely as anything else.

[65mickey]

32 minutes ago, nosedive said:

In a co-ownership contract, if she really wants out, wouldn't she be able to sue to force the sale of the property or to have the other co-owner/s buy her out?  

Janelle said that Christine gave up her share of the Coyote Pass property in exchange for keeping the equity from the sale of her house. it was probably the easiest way to get shut of Kody.

[gingerella]

Janelle should look into what she can sue Kody for. I'd take that asshole to the cleaners. Even better, do it from Utah because Kody is terrified of anything Utah.

Edited November 14, 2022 by gingerella

[nosedive]

17 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Janelle said that Christine gave up her share of the Coyote Pass property in exchange for keeping the equity from the sale of her house. it was probably the easiest way to get shut of Kody.

I was referring to Janelle, not Christine.  

As per the article posted above: Janelle admits that she realized she doesn’t have any assets for her children since everyone else in the family’s name is also on it. “I have gotten myself in a very stupid position as far as an independent woman. If I were to leave, or want to leave right now, I would have no estates. I have nothing to leave to my kids. My hands are completely tied ’cause everything I have asset-wise has everybody else’s name on it, too,” Janelle admits.

As a a co-owner of property/properties, wouldn't she be entitled to liquidate her share, either by a sale of the property/properties or by the other owner/s buying her out?  

[xwordfanatik]

25 minutes ago, gingerella said:

Janelle ahoukd look into what she can sue Kody for. I'd take that asshole to the cleaners. Even better, do it from Utah because Kody is terrified of anything Utah.

We know Sobyn would, in that situation.  Do it, Janelle, and Christine!

[Libby]

This whole money situation is so sad for Janelle. She said that she gave Robyn half of her profit from her Vagas house to buy the mansion. Now when she wants money to build on Coyote Pass, Kody is saying sorry we don't have the money. I can't believe Janelle was so stupid and didn't protect herself better financially.

I fear that any money she put into the family pot is gone and she's never going to get her fair share. She'll just have to be smart from this point on, and start over. Like I said, it's very sad. Why did she ever trust Kody and Robyn to treat her fairly?

[peacockblue]

On 11/10/2022 at 4:22 PM, NoWhammies said:

Anything with Robyn sitting alone on her bench watching is a winner in my book.

Her kidneys hurt too 🥴

[mythoughtis]

23 minutes ago, Libby said:

This whole money situation is so sad for Janelle. She said that she gave Robyn half of her profit from her Vagas house to buy the mansion. Now when she wants money to build on Coyote Pass, Kody is saying sorry we don't have the money. I can't believe Janelle was so stupid and didn't protect herself better financially.

I fear that any money she put into the family pot is gone and she's never going to get her fair share. She'll just have to be smart from this point on, and start over. Like I said, it's very sad. Why did she ever trust Kody and Robyn to treat her fairly?

Janelle should start a contract negotiation with Kody.  Just enter the scenes  where Kody said  he and Robyn owned Christine’s home because they gave her the down payment.  By that reasoning, Janelle owns Robyn’s house.  They can resolve it the same way Christine and Kody  did.  Janelle gets Robyn’s house, Kody gets Coyote Pass. I know Janelle would prefer Coyote Pass- but it’s not worth it. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by mythoughtis

[Tuxcat]

1 hour ago, Libby said:

This whole money situation is so sad for Janelle. She said that she gave Robyn half of her profit from her Vagas house to buy the mansion. Now when she wants money to build on Coyote Pass, Kody is saying sorry we don't have the money. I can't believe Janelle was so stupid and didn't protect herself better financially.

I fear that any money she put into the family pot is gone and she's never going to get her fair share. She'll just have to be smart from this point on, and start over. Like I said, it's very sad. Why did she ever trust Kody and Robyn to treat her fairly?

I mean how was Janelle supposed to know the family wasn't staying together for eternity as they had promised (sarcasm intended).

[GeeGolly]

The way this family operates is ridiculous. Janelle needs to sit down with Kody, Meri and Robyn and talk finances. I mean maybe they are, but it sounds to me like Janelle is sitting back trying to figure this out alone.

She needs to present the family with a spread sheet and have them make it right.

[Tuxcat]

47 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

The way this family operates is ridiculous. Janelle needs to sit down with Kody, Meri and Robyn and talk finances. I mean maybe they are, but it sounds to me like Janelle is sitting back trying to figure this out alone.

She needs to present the family with a spread sheet and have them make it right.

Omg this made me flashback to when they kept having conversations about how to have conversations. Janelle was in her "communication "era then. Nothing was ever communicated except their communications about communicating. No wonder they never solve anything.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Tuxcat
messed up my own communication

[Julyolo]

7 hours ago, altopower said:

Maybe THAT's the reason Janelle left (if she did). Because after all this time of playing the plyg game, she owns nothing (except the RV?) and has no assets to leave her children. 

Until Robyn and Kody coughed up what I contributed, if I was Janelle, I would have liens on everything they own. 

[Elodia]

5 hours ago, Libby said:

She said that she gave Robyn half of her profit from her Vagas house to buy the mansion.

So it's official. We have to rename the Janelle thread. But joke aside, I feel sorry for her. 

[Elizzikra]

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  I'm curious how Kody views the nearly $800,000 in "theoretical" equity he has in his and Robyn's house - does he view that as part Janelle's?

It's interesting to look at the numbers, I think. I believe they paid about $800,000 for Robyn's mansion and it's now worth about $1.4 million. So that's $500,000 in increased value. But they don't own the home outright, I don't think. They put down a downpayment and have (hopefully) been making mortgage payments. Let's say they put down a standard 20%, which would have been $160,000. So that, plus the increase in value would give them about $660,000 in equity. To be generous, let's credit them with two years of mortgage payments as well (though it's likely that most of those payments went toward interest and didn't really cut down the principal). That's another $168,000 for a total of $828,000. BUT - didn't they take out a second mortgage? That would also reduce the equity they have in their home. 

In reality, I suspect they put down a very small downpayment - like 3%. So that's $24,000. That, plus the $500,000 in increased value plus the mortgage payments (again, in the first years of a loan, these go nearly entirely to interest, but for the sake of argument, let's just count them as equity in the house) and they have about $692,000 in equity.

[GeeGolly]

I hope Janelle and Christine are bringing in some real money from Plexus, because Christine will go through her house proceeds lickety-split if her mortgage is $3000 per month and Janelle is still looking for a place to lay her head.

[Libby]

I just watched Nikki Haverstock's episode recap on YouTube.

She said that when Kody said that Janelle is sympathizing with Christine and he doesn't like it, cue the shark music.

Lol! The Jaws theme song duunnn, dunnnn, duuuuuunnnnnnnnn.....

Now that Christine is gone, he's coming after Janelle. She's right, no doubt.

[altopower]

1 hour ago, Libby said:

Now that Christine is gone, he's coming after Janelle. She's right, no doubt.

He's already angry at Janelle for supporting Christine. When she doesn't obediently conform to his patriarchy (every time I write that I crack myself up), he'll start yelling at her. And she'll just walk away because she's seen Christine do it with grace and wants to keep her independence. Not at all sure how Meri will feel when K&R have successfully pushed out the two wives who had 12 of the children.

[GeeGolly]

Kody pushed Janelle out years ago and she stayed. Will viewers (and her kids) knowing the true(ish) dynamics of her marriage be the push she needs to finally walk away?

[Tuxcat]

18 hours ago, altopower said:

And she'll just walk away because she's seen Christine do it with grace and wants to keep her independence.

For once, I wish she'd say the things she says in her talking heads - to Kody in person. Instead she reverts to silence, and then avoidance and she walks away. - on camera at least.

I do wonder what kind of actual drama we miss. Glad for the kids that they don't air the heavy hitting stuff. But, Ysabel reports that Christine was really bad off - so Christine's calm "graceful" demeanor on camera is likely performative (and/or therapist inspired).

There is obviously so much we don't really know.

8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Kody pushed Janelle out years ago and she stayed. Will viewers (and her kids) knowing the true(ish) dynamics of her marriage be the push she needs to finally walk away?

I keep thinking about PR for Janelle. Christine is getting a huge jump in popularity, support, followers... Janelle, whether she wants to actually "leave" or not, will likely  lean into the idea of "leaving" at least publicly.  But I'm not 100% she actually would. And for the show, they need another season and what sells?  The mutiny against him.

Janelle also isn't bound to the ideology of polygamy. It's not a "higher calling" for her. It was just a convenient arrangement. 

[Cetacean]

1 minute ago, Tuxcat said:

But, Ysabel reports that Christine was really bad off - so Christine's calm "graceful" demeanor on camera is likely performative (and/or therapist inspired).

Or assisted by medication.

[Libby]

Mykelti being nice to Robyn frustrates me. Props to Christine for taking it in stride. At least Mykelti keeps Kody in his place.

https://www.etonline.com/sister-wives-christines-daughter-lends-robyn-her-support-amid-split-youll-always-be-mom-exclusive

Edited November 16, 2022 by Libby