Josh and Anna

[Albanyguy]

4 hours ago, Absolom said:

Maybe Jim Bob and Michelle finally gave up trying to be the wardrobe police.  It seems they have slackened control on the courting and the adult offspring are rejecting many of the old rules. 

It was all a big performance and the audience has now left the building. There’s nobody left to show off for.

[leighdear]

All the at-home girls wore above-the-knee and side slit skirts & dresses in Hawaii. 

None of them have been totally shackled to all the old school rules for quite a while.  

[andromeda331]

On 4/27/2025 at 1:23 PM, Salacious Kitty said:

Maybe that's someone else? Our Anna obviously never worked at Loyola, or has any ties to LA. 

Hilarious.

Her head would have exploded if she ever set foot in New Orleans. 

Edited April 29 by andromeda331

[Salacious Kitty]

Happy arrest anniversary! I can't believe it's been four years. 

[Albanyguy]

5 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Happy arrest anniversary! I can't believe it's been four years. 

I’m picturing the hash marks on the wall of Josh’s cell.

[babyhouseman]

On 4/28/2025 at 10:21 AM, leighdear said:

All the at-home girls wore above-the-knee and side slit skirts & dresses in Hawaii. 

None of them have been totally shackled to all the old school rules for quite a while.  

Oldest children always complain younger children get away with more. I think the parents mellow out, and as it was said above, there's no TV show.

[Natalie68]

On 4/29/2025 at 4:40 AM, Albanyguy said:

I’m picturing the hash marks on the wall of Josh’s cell.

I kinda think he is living his best life in there.  No wife, no kids, no responsibility, no trash duties.

[skatelady]

On 4/29/2025 at 7:40 AM, Albanyguy said:

I’m picturing the hash marks on the wall of Josh’s cell.

They're probably on his phone

[Salacious Kitty]

8 minutes ago, skatelady said:

They're probably on his phone

He's already had one phone confiscated and time added to his sentence. 

[Natalie68]

On 4/30/2025 at 1:56 PM, Salacious Kitty said:

He's already had one phone confiscated and time added to his sentence. 

I see Josh as someone who would get another phone.  Slow learner who has no fucks to give.

[Chaos Theory]

I am actually curious how he gets the phone.   I am not saying that it is hard to get phones in prison.   From what I understand there is a huge market among inmates.   My big issue is the crime he is in prison for.    Sex crimes do not put you on the top of the prison ladder.   So either Josh really is that dynamic a personality and has convinced hardened convicts that he is a man of god or he is paying waaaaaaay above prison market value for the phones.    

[Absolom]

Also consider that he's in a prison where they have a rather large population of sex offenders.  They try to place people like Josh in selected prisons that have diversion programs. 

[Zella]

33 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Also consider that he's in a prison where they have a rather large population of sex offenders.  They try to place people like Josh in selected prisons that have diversion programs. 

Yeah I think that explains what we seem to know about Josh's prison life far more than anything. Because he is building time with so many other people who are also serving for sex crimes, I doubt he is regarded as either particularly popular or particularly despised. 

[sixlets]

The phones are getting in through the corrections officers.  There's a handful of creators on YT that discuss the ins and outs of jail/prison, and they have all said it's the officers.  I saw a video that mentioned a guy found every single illegal drug, with the exception of PCP, phones, and other contraband.  You can get busted for having something that could be considered ok, but if the inmate is using it for another purpose, that can get sent to solitary.  I imagine Josh has some clout among the inmates.  His name is recognizable, his crimes are out in the public, and more than likely, he has money coming in on a regular basis from daddy.  I'm just guessing here, but I think he has a better life than many Americans.

**I feel like I should add this as a disclaimer--I've never been to jail, the only police interactions I had was while working at Rite Aid & Target, and I've only had one traffic warning in my entire life-no tickets.  I'm just a fan of true crime and have way too much time on my hands 😇.

[babyhouseman]

Josh Duggar Requests New Attorney to Help Overturn His Child Porn Conviction as He Claims He Can't 'Afford Counsel' Anymore

https://au.news.yahoo.com/josh-duggar-requests-attorney-help-224003132.html

Did Jim Bob cut him off? Jim Bob must still be rich.

[Salacious Kitty]

I figured he was waiting for Trump to pardon him. 🙄

[merylinkid]

14 hours ago, babyhouseman said:

Did Jim Bob cut him off? Jim Bob must still be rich.

Jim Bob decided to go with "free" and "save the difference."  You know cheap ass JB was sick of paying these lawyers who weren't doing what he wanted - get the Golden Child out of prison.

[Heathen]

3 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Jim Bob decided to go with "free" and "save the difference."  You know cheap ass JB was sick of paying these lawyers who weren't doing what he wanted - get the Golden Child out of prison.

Jim Bob also isn't a moron. He knows Smuggar isn't getting out. 

[libgirl2]

2 hours ago, Heathen said:

Jim Bob also isn't a moron. He knows Smuggar isn't getting out. 

I think he is smart enough to know it is a lost cause. 

[Absolom]

I think he realized at last he was throwing good money after bad.  I'm a little surprised he funded the appeal.  Maybe he truly thought they had a chance or the lawyer convinced him that they did.  Perhaps he's realized that Josh really did commit the crimes and the best place for the rest of the family is for Josh to remain in prison.

Edited May 30 by Absolom

[libgirl2]

4 minutes ago, Absolom said:

I think he realized at last the was throwing good money after bad.  I'm a little surprised he funded the appeal.  Maybe he truly thought they had a chance or the lawyer convinced him that they did.  Perhaps he's realized that Josh really did commit the crimes and the best place for the rest of the family is for Josh to remain in prison.

I lean towards a lawyer convincing him they could win. I honestly don't know if he really thinks Josh did the crimes or not. Maybe deep down yes?? 

[GeeGolly]

My take is JB&M initially thought Josh was innocent - or at least not guilty, in that he was being tried for 'a mistake he made' while downloading legal adult porn. I think they both came to realize Josh's guilt during the trial. Knowing he's guilty and keeping/getting him out of jail aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Certainly with defense lawyers in doesn't matter and I think JB&M thought if he came home they could pray away that damn fortress - again.

With that said, I'm one of the few that think Josh paid for his defense.

[Heathen]

18 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

My take is JB&M initially thought Josh was innocent - or at least not guilty, in that he was being tried for 'a mistake he made' while downloading legal adult porn. I think they both came to realize Josh's guilt during the trial. Knowing he's guilty and keeping/getting him out of jail aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Certainly with defense lawyers in doesn't matter and I think JB&M thought if he came home they could pray away that damn fortress - again.

With that said, I'm one of the few that think Josh paid for his defense.

Why (and how) do you think Smuggar paid for his defense? 

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, Heathen said:

Why (and how) do you think Smuggar paid for his defense? 

I have a few reasons, but mainly because the judge mentioned Josh's robust finances and JB is cheap.

[lookeyloo]

I am guessing by the discussion and that the pardons went to "white collar" criminals that Josh will not be pardoned.  But, if he is, does that mean he is no longer a sex offender in the eyes of the law, and can live at home and be with his and other children? And have access to a computer and maybe be smarter as far as delaying getting caught again.  And I wonder if Anna would think, oh good we can go back to normal and I can have another baby or 6.  And Josh is thinking, if I get out, it is a new life for me.  Just wondering.

[EmeraldGirl]

I am almost too scared to say no way he would be pardoned. But the way things are going now …

[oliviabenson]

23 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I figured he was waiting for Trump to pardon him. 🙄

that might actually happen.

[Zella]

3 hours ago, Absolom said:

the lawyer convinced him that they did. 

His attorney from St. Louis was a pretty experienced defense attorney on federal cases. I have always suspected he advised them to take a plea, and they didn't listen. Of course he's getting paid either way, so he's not going to argue with them if they still wanted to take it to trial. Any warnings about how much of a slam-dunk case it was against Josh may not truly have sunk in until the appeal failed.  

[Quilt Fairy]

33 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

that might actually happen.

If he's saying he doesn't have money for a lawyer, he doesn't have enough money to buy a pardon. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Quilt Fairy said:

If he's saying he doesn't have money for a lawyer, he doesn't have enough money to buy a pardon. 

Agreed. He and Joe Exotic should compare notes. He's still wondering where his pardon is. LOL

[Quilt Fairy]

That's an impressively written letter for someone from the SOTDRT.  I wonder if he still has a lawyer assisting him (even a jail-house lawyer) or if he cribbed from their earlier submissions to the court.  He had a top notch lawyer to begin with, I don't know why he thinks he'd do better with someone appointed by the court. 

[ginger90]

2 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

But, if he is, does that mean he is no longer a sex offender in the eyes of the law, and can live at home and be with his and other children?

There are conditional and unconditional pardons, unknown at the moment. I hope we never find out.
 

 

[Zella]

11 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

if he cribbed from their earlier submissions to the court. 

That was my assumption. 

[Salacious Kitty]

Has anyone seen the Felon's brief in its entirety? People just had some quotes.

[Zella]

16 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Has anyone seen the Felon's brief in its entirety? People just had some quotes.

I saw it somewhere! Let me reconstruct my online steps this afternoon. 

I am not sure if we can link Reddit posts, but someone on the DuggarSnark site has all 6 pages, plus the envelope, posted. 

[oliviabenson]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

Agreed. He and Joe Exotic should compare notes. He's still wondering where his pardon is. LOL

joes new husband got deported as soon as he left prison.

23 minutes ago, Zella said:

I saw it somewhere! Let me reconstruct my online steps this afternoon. 

I am not sure if we can link Reddit posts, but someone on the DuggarSnark site has all 6 pages, plus the envelope, posted. 

yes I saw it on reddit.

[Salacious Kitty]

I can never find anything on Reddit. I'll give it a try. 

[AstridM]

7 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

I am guessing by the discussion and that the pardons went to "white collar" criminals that Josh will not be pardoned.  But, if he is, does that mean he is no longer a sex offender in the eyes of the law, and can live at home and be with his and other children? And have access to a computer and maybe be smarter as far as delaying getting caught again.  And I wonder if Anna would think, oh good we can go back to normal and I can have another baby or 6.  And Josh is thinking, if I get out, it is a new life for me.  Just wondering.

A gang leader was just pardoned, so you never know. If the bribe is high enough . . . 

5 hours ago, Zella said:

Agreed. He and Joe Exotic should compare notes. He's still wondering where his pardon is. LOL

Some FAR worse people have been pardoned, unfortunately 🤬🤬🤬

4 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

That's an impressively written letter for someone from the SOTDRT.  I wonder if he still has a lawyer assisting him (even a jail-house lawyer) or if he cribbed from their earlier submissions to the court.  He had a top notch lawyer to begin with, I don't know why he thinks he'd do better with someone appointed by the court. 

Maybe he used AI? 😂

4 hours ago, Zella said:

I saw it somewhere! Let me reconstruct my online steps this afternoon. 

I am not sure if we can link Reddit posts, but someone on the DuggarSnark site has all 6 pages, plus the envelope, posted. 

Yeah, that’s where I saw it.

[merylinkid]

12 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

That's an impressively written letter for someone from the SOTDRT.

I wonder if he is taking classes in prison and actually learning things.   I know he is lazy but taking classes gets you credits in prison for privileges and well, its boring so even school looks interesting.   

[EmeraldGirl]

But Joe Exotic isn’t a devoted Christian. Somebody likes to pardon Christians who were wrongly convicted because of their religion. Jim Bob has access to a lot of money. He’s probably waiting for a pardon and that’s why he’s not getting involved in whatever this new thing is. Jim Bob Dugger is on line 3. Religious persecution is his claim. Put him through right away. 

[ginger90]

He’s not asking for representation, he’s asking that an attorney be provided to assist him so he can represent himself.

[Salacious Kitty]

His deadline to get this in place is sometime in June, so let's see what Judge Brooks does. His letter was dated May 12.

[emma675]

Oh please, please, please let the Family Felon be allowed to represent himself! I need some laughs.

[BetyBee]

16 hours ago, emma675 said:

Oh please, please, please let the Family Felon be allowed to represent himself! I need some laughs.

If that happens, I hope he remembers those cracker crumbs he helped to sweep up. What a glorious day that was!

[Minivanessa]

On 5/29/2025 at 6:14 PM, Zella said:

His attorney from St. Louis was a pretty experienced defense attorney on federal cases. I have always suspected he advised them to take a plea, and they didn't listen. Of course he's getting paid either way, so he's not going to argue with them if they still wanted to take it to trial. Any warnings about how much of a slam-dunk case it was against Josh may not truly have sunk in until the appeal failed.  

I agree. I began my so-called legal career as a public defender in state courts a LONG time ago. That experience burned the ethical obligations of a lawyer defending the accused in a criminal case, into my brain. These are actual rules of professional conduct; violating them can result in consequences from a private admonition to a suspension of your law license, or even actual disbarment (revocation of license to practice law). Some of the deets: the criminal defense lawyer is obliged to thoroughly and competently review and understand the evidence and law in the case, to honestly advise their client about the case (including opinions on how strong the prosecution case is and likewise the strength/weakness of the defense), to discuss reasonable options with the client, to pass along any plea bargain offers to the client, and to provide a vigorous defense. But the client is free to reject advice, for example to insist on going to trial vs taking a plea deal, and the lawyer has to deal with that. And just to keep the ethical tightrope taut, of course the lawyer can't lie to the court, intimidate witnesses, or get involved in illegal shenanigans even if the client wants them to. 

If the Felon's lawyers are as savvy as I think they are, they've got the receipts: ample documentation in their confidential files about the advice they gave him as the case proceeded, and his response. I doubt that at any time those lawyers were slapping the Felon's back and assuring him that they had a slam dunk defense, he'd be home and dry, acquitted by the jury, or later that his conviction would be set aside on appeal. That's TV show carp. In this case I assume there wasn't an issue of lack of money to pay the costs of going to trial, which removed one crunch point for the lawyers. 

[Facts Only]

On 5/29/2025 at 1:37 PM, Heathen said:

Jim Bob also isn't a moron

Actually, he is.

[Heathen]

19 hours ago, Facts Only said:

Actually, he is.

Actually, clearly, he's not. 

[crazy8s]

I think JB enjoys playing the rube and yukking it up, while he is actually quite shrewd and calculating in anything and everything involving money.

[lookeyloo]

1 hour ago, crazy8s said:

I think JB enjoys playing the rube and yukking it up, while he is actually quite shrewd and calculating in anything and everything involving money.

This I agree with. 

[oliviabenson]

Jim is not stupid. he's a major jerk and entitled but he's no fool.

Edited Sunday at 10:41 PM by oliviabenson