Wicked (2024)

[PurpleTentacle]

9 hours ago, SeanC said:

There was no requirement that this role be played by a black actress.

I'm sure there wasn't.

9 hours ago, SeanC said:

Erivo is a Tony Award winner and one of the more acclaimed musical actresses of her peer group.

You'd think a Tony award winner wouldn't completely tank a song, but yet it happened. Maybe that award was the reason for the bad casting afterall, I don't know. I just know the casting was bad.

[Keywestclubkid]

19 hours ago, iarwain said:

I disagree.  Not everyone pays attention to musicals, or watches TV shows

Stop, you are being disingenuous with this and we both know it..

this wasn't a bait and switch which you seem to try to be implying  ... either they are lying to you or you are just pulling my leg here..

and if you arnt paying "attention" that's like getting mad at someone for not spoon feeding you every step of the way... that's on you NOT the movie ESPECIALLY when the advertising you arnt paying attention to is TELLING you that it is what it is

 

anyway its been cool debating this point with you but im done now ... arguing that this wasn't advertised as a musical is ridiculous  at this point .. cause it was and is .. im moving on 

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Keywestclubkid

[Spartan Girl]

7 minutes ago, PurpleTentacle said:

You'd think a Tony award winner wouldn't completely tank a song, but yet it happened. Maybe that award was the reason for the bad casting afterall, I don't know. I just know the casting was bad.

That’s your opinion. While I haven’t seen the movie yet (going on Wednesday) but I have listened to the film soundtrack, and I thought Cynthia did beautifully.

[PurpleTentacle]

25 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

That’s your opinion. While I haven’t seen the movie yet (going on Wednesday) but I have listened to the film soundtrack, and I thought Cynthia did beautifully.

Yes, that's my opinion and also it's correct. The wizard and I sounds bad.

It seems like Erivo can belt with the best of them, which is probably what got her the Tony (I was a bit mean with the army of sound engineers for defying gravity up thread, because I was freshly out of watching the film and was a bit miffed by her failing this great role), but the wide vocal range the wizard and I requires, she does not have.

Also it seems like nobody checked if she can actually movie-act or just stage-act. My speculation remains that the casting department and producers got too giddy at the optics and ignored some red flags in the process. But that might be completely wrong. Not like even more horrible actors and actresses haven't sliped by in other movies. Fact remains, she was wrong for this part.

Edit: Btw. you know who actually did a good version of the wizard and I, even though I prersonlly am not a big fan of the way she did it and the flourishes she used? Ariana Grande:

There is such a thing as objectively good and bad singing.

Edited 16 hours ago by PurpleTentacle

[tv echo]

Wicked opened to $112.5M domestic and $162.5M worldwide...
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1199474177/?ref_=bo_hm_rd

‘Wicked – Part One’: All The Box Office Records Broken
By Anthony D'Alessandro   November 24, 2024
https://deadline.com/2024/11/wicked-box-office-records-1236186470/ 

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Biggest Global and Domestic Opening for a Movie Based on a Broadway Show, beating the worldwide opening of 2012’s Les Miserables ($103M) and the domestic opening of Disney’s 2014 Into the Woods ($31M).

Biggest Global and Domestic Opening for Ariana Grande ever, Wicked being her first feature tentpole debut. And therefore arguably…

Biggest Domestic Opening for a Pop Star, with Wicked besting the first films sold around the likeness of such performing artists as Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born at $42.5M), Harry Styles (Don’t Worry Darling at $19.3M), Britney Spears (Crossroads at $14.5M), Taylor Swift (Cats at $6.6M), Madonna (Desperately Seeking Susan at $1.5M), and the entire domestic gross of Michael Jackson’s The Wiz ($21M unadjusted for inflation).

Biggest Global and Domestic Opening Ever for Cynthia Erivo, besting the $12M stateside start of 2018’s Widows.

Biggest Global and Domestic Opening Ever for filmmaker Jon M. Chu, mowing down the $40.5M domestic start of his 2013 Dwyane Johnson, Bruce Willis, Channing Tatum sequel, G.I. Joe: Retaliation and the $132M worldwide start of that Hasbro/Paramount movie.

Biggest Domestic Opening for Producer Marc Platt, besting 2023’s The Little Mermaid‘s $95.5M, however, it’s…

2nd Biggest Global Opening for Producer Marc Platt, behind the 2019 live-action take of Disney’s Aladdin at $213M.

Biggest Global Opening for a non-sequel film for 2024, besting China’s Yolo which opened to $112M over Chinese New Year as well as MPAA title, It Ends With Us, which posted an $80M global first frame.  

Biggest Opening Ever for a Musical Feature by Stephen Schwartz, besting Enchanted‘s domestic opening of $34.4M.

Biggest Domestic Previews for a Movie Based on Broadway Musical at $19.2M.

Biggest First Day for a Movie Based on a Broadway Musical at $46.4M, besting the first day/preview haul of Les Miserables ($18.1M) and The Color Purple ($18.1M).

2nd biggest domestic opening for a musical feature in November, behind 2019’s Frozen II‘s $130.2M.

5th biggest domestic opening for a musical feature ever, behind 2019’s The Lion King ($191.7M), 2017’s Beauty and the Beast ($174.7M), 2023’s Barbie ($162M — it did have people singing and plenty of show-stopping numbers!) and 2019’s Frozen ($130.2M).

6th biggest opening at the Global Box Office for a Musical Feature behind 2019’s The Lion King ($446M), 2017’s Beauty and the Beast ($358M), Frozen 2 ($358M), Barbie ($356.3M) and 2019’s Aladdin ($213M).

10th biggest domestic opening for November, in a list that’s topped by Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ($181.3M).

3rd Biggest Opening Weekend at Domestic Box Office for 2024 at the time of this post, behind Deadpool & Wolverine ($211.4M) and Inside Out 2 ($154.2M) and ahead of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice ($111M).

Edited 14 hours ago by tv echo

[tv echo]

Ariana Grande, Cynthia Erivo, Idina Menzel & Kristin Chenoweth Talk About Their 'Wicked' Legacy
Entertainment Weekly   Nov 25, 2024

How Ariana Grande & Cynthia Erivo Became Glinda & Elphaba in 'Wicked' ???? | Teen Vogue
Teen Vogue   Nov 25, 2024

[SeanC]

5 hours ago, PurpleTentacle said:

Also it seems like nobody checked if she can actually movie-act or just stage-act.

She’s also an Academy Award nominee.

[Shannon L.]

1 hour ago, SeanC said:

She’s also an Academy Award nominee.

She also wrote and sang the song for that movie, which was nominated for Best Original Song. 

[meep.meep]

9 hours ago, PurpleTentacle said:

 

You'd think a Tony award winner wouldn't completely tank a song, but yet it happened. Maybe that award was the reason for the bad casting afterall, I don't know. I just know the casting was bad.

I saw it last night and didn't think Erivo tanked anything.  She made different choices than what you were expecting perhaps.  And her acting was exceptional.

One little item I noticed was Glinda doing the makeover and pulling out a pair of ruby slippers for Elphaba.

Everyone else was doing American voices, I wonder why Peter Dinklage chose to do the goat essentially as Tyrian Lanister's British voice.

[bref]

Cynthia Ervio has an incredible singing voice. I think someone here has an axe to grind. 

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 11/25/2024 at 1:27 PM, iarwain said:

Not everyone pays attention to musicals, or watches TV shows where they were trying to promote the show.  I'm sure most people are aware Wicked is a musical, but to say it's "impossible" for someone not to know that is going too far.  Unlikely perhaps, but certainly not impossible.

I was reading this back-and-forth so I asked Mr. Outlier, "What do you know about Wicked?"  He said he had "picked up in the ether" that there's a movie called Wicked coming out, but that's it. 

He didn't know that it was a musical, or a Broadway show, or a book (actually, I didn't know about the book, either), or that it had anything to do with The Wizard of Oz. 

As for me, I knew it was on Broadway, and had Kristin Chenoweth in it so I would assume it's a musical, but I wouldn't stake my life on it.  I do remember posters that had somebody green on them, and never really knew why. 

[iarwain]

31 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

As for me, I knew it was on Broadway, and had Kristin Chenoweth in it so I would assume it's a musical, but I wouldn't stake my life on it.

Thanks for your comments, but I'm dropping it so I won't speak about it further.  I was just making an observation, I wasn't trying to upset anyone.

Funny thing is, I was watching Willy Wonka last night, and the movie Deck the Halls came on after it.  I had seen it before, but I was surprised to see Kristin Chenoweth in it (I heard her squeaky voice coming from the TV and it was unmistakable).  It's not a musical, and she's just playing a comedic role as Danny DeVito's wife.  I was a little surprised because I had also associated her with singing roles (I mean when you've got a voice like that why not?).

And let me just say this:  Even though Erivo and Grande did a great job, it would have been nice if we could have gotten a movie version years ago with the original witches, Idina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth.