Utopia (US) Live Feed Discussion

[henripootel]

So eventually Red says he'll hunt quail as soon as he gets enough money saved to buy the thing.

I wonder if this is Red being savvy about handling the producers.  If he comes up with enough money to buy the gun, like as not we'll get more (laughable) hunting montages featuring Red and he'll walk in with a brace or two of (farm-raised, possibly wrapped in plastic) quail.  Possibly Red thinks that if he can come up with a fiction for the producers to use to supply them with game birds, they will.  I'll bet he's right.

 

ETA: on second thought, easy money says this is the producers trying to introduce more 'living off the land' type foods, and they put Red up to this.  I'm sure whatever funds Red comes up with will be sufficient to buy the gun.

 

ETAA: 

If we do decide to go, I'll have to try to sneak some of these in. [wind-inducing gummy bears]

You do this, Rapunzel, and you die a legend.  Let's see them juggle the live feeds to cover this up.

Edited September 22, 2014 by henripootel

[In Pog Form]

I think we all know that his dream of being DA is completely shot to hell (unless there is a city or county out there that wants a DA who is a lying, thieving, wannabe porn star who always avoids conflict or anything that may mean he has to do the slightest bit of work...)

Those are the basic job requirements for political appointees, so he should do very well pursuing his dream.

[In Pog Form]

Hex was right.  Everyone, meet Ernesto!  He's single, 39, and is a plumber and heating & cooling guy.

Okaaayy...

Red brings Ernesto to the gate to greet the people, introduces him and he gets some friendly applause. One of the visitors talks to him a bit and he mentions that he has a girlfriend. (Sorry Bella!)

So, which is it? Is he single, or does he have a girlfriend?

Can any of these people keep their stories straight?

[kaygeeret]

Sadly I know four Iraq/Afganistan vets whose tours were 1,2, 3 and one is over there on a fourth deployment.  Three saw combat, one is intelligence.

 

None of them or their friends wear dog tags or the uniform (Memorial Day is different).  They would NEVER wear that stuff on a tv show.  None of them are open about their experiences in a crowd.  I know two have confided in an older Vietnam vet, but that is different in my opinion.

 

Aaron could have served, perhaps never deployed, and he is jealous or wonders how he would have behaved.  He often sounds to me as if he is trying to convince himself as much as any one else.

[RedheadZombie]

So when the pioneers had their first yoga class and only 1 person showed up there was a lot of talk on Twitter that production purposely denied people from participating because it was better drama to have them fail.

 

 

A poster from Jokers had planned to go to Utopia this coming weekend.  He received an email today stating that they won't be accepting any visitors this weekend.  Speculation is the show is that close to canceling, or (more likely) production manipulation to make the Utopians worry that they can't depend on that source of income.

 

Red was out of control today, but Mike was deliberately egging him on.  He told Red that he will join in his succession and encouraged him to solicit other members.  Apparently Mike even began writing a preamble to their constitution.  In the midst of all this, Red explained that production is really pushing this storyline.  I wish he wouldn't cooperate in making himself look like an idiot.  I liked Red best when he came in on the end of the Aaron/Kristen explosion.  He was sick, so he was calm and deliberate in everything he said and did.  He didn't have the energy to play the role of belligerent redneck.

[vhakra]

It shouldn't be too hard for Red to save up for a cheap single shot shotgun to take down quail. However, if Red is really good with a bow he should be able to hunt quail with that too. 

[Rapunzel]

As annoyed as I am by this show sometimes I for one cannot sign off on this plan.  It's a lot meaner than these people deserve IMO.

I was kidding about actually trying to sneak in the the 'devil gummies' Andyourlittledog2. The comments about the gummies on the website that henripootel sent and then picturing some of the more asshat-ish of the Utopians having to deal with something kind of unpleasant given the unpleasant things they put some of the others through is just something that made me smile a bit as so many of these people need karma or something to bite them in the ass and wake them up a bit. In any case, I'm sure that Aaron's cooking is wreaking havoc on some of their digestive systems already.

[In Pog Form]

They were fine with it as long as the gun isn't in the house. The gun apparently is kept by production outside the compound and never goes inside.

The hell? They're letting these psychos have firearms? It seems that Production hates the idea of forming a workable new society, but is completely happy with some kind of violent cult. I'm not sure they will be so happy when production staff are burned alive inside the tech bunker.

Utopia: Ruby Ridge Edition

Edited September 23, 2014 by In Pog Form

[clod]

wouldn't it be "funny" if the vegetable seeds they have planted turned out to be flowers instead?

 

they are spending way too much time and energy on bella-garden.  

 

I want to see the other garden, and also the milk processing and consumption. 

[In Pog Form]

I don't think having a hunting rifle kept off the compound and available only to the one authorized to use it on a day authorized to hunt is the same as arming the myopians and turning them into a gun toting cult.  It's all pretty inconsequential.

I don't think so, if Red decides to start shooting at any production staff who are "off-compound" with him, and then heads back to the compound to finish things off.

[4leafclover]

If no one has been hurt with all the knives on site, I seriously doubt anyone will go off the rails and storm into production to grab the firearm and commit mass murder. After all, this is California, no doubt they will have it locked in an official, regulation OSHA approved gun safe with a dozen locks on the trigger and the bean bag ammo kept at a different location.  Geez....................................................................

[In Pog Form]

I haven't seen any indication that Red would do anything remotely like that.  He's a talker and kvetcher, true, but I don't see him as violent at all.

You don't remember the tantrums he threw when he started smashing things with Dave? I'd call that violent, and unstable. Now he's apparently "seceding" from Utopia. In American history, when people threatened secession, they weren't talking about doing it peacefully.

Sure, he can be all peaceful sometimes, but he can flip to aggression and screaming in no time. I wouldn't trust any of these people with a weapon.

Edited September 23, 2014 by In Pog Form

[ottoDbusdriver]

Amanda mentioned about teeth brushing in the sink and Nikki reminded her of the day Amanda couldn't even eat any more because Dede shaved her pubic hair in the lake and that was totally disgusting.

 

Is Amanda aware that pubes fall off naturally, in addition to all other types of body hair, when people are swimming in the lake or showering in the waterfall ?  Is she unaware that the lake is now green from algae, not to mention other plants, and fish .... and fish poop. And bird poop.  And a million other things --- it's not a chlorinated indoor swimming pool, it's a lake.

 

So her disdain for using the lake is completely ridiculous.

[ottoDbusdriver]

If anything it's tacky and tasteless to do it in front of others.  That is disgusting. I don't want to see her do that either and it's not my pond. Ick.

 

Oh, I agree completely, it is tacky and tasteless do it in front of others -- I'm just saying it's probably not the most disgusting thing in that pond (cough, cough .... Bris).

[In Pog Form]

I'm just saying it's probably not the most disgusting thing in that pond (cough, cough .... Bris).

Yeah, I wouldn't be very happy about a discarded foreskin floating around in the pond, either.

They were appalled at the amount of money Bri told them it was going to cost a month, even with her limiting food this way. $580 I think it was, and that's before the feed increase for Honey next month.

No wonder Production wants to force them to look after cows, rather than selling them. It doesn't make any economic sense. Imagine how much milk, cheese and yoghurt that $580 could buy - and that's not even counting the extra free time they would have to work on other projects that might be worthwhile.

[Rapunzel]

Apparently Aaron knows he's been skimping on the food portions and not making enough but he and Mike are both sick of Nikki mentioning it everyday. Amanda said that they should be pretty good on food this week in part because Taylor told them to portion the food equally. Taylor must be a genius - it only took them about a month to figure out how to divide the food out better.

 

It sounds like the thing that drove Red to secede was food related (big surprise - he's had a food obsession since day one). He stated that the group was forcing him to eat gluten and he is gluten intolerant and they were making him sick. One of the women pointed out that they saw him eating white bread earlier today and he said yes, but it made him sick. They then pointed out that he should probably try to avoid bread altogether if he has gluten issues. He then said he might just have a bit of sensitivity to gluten, but they still shouldn't force him to eat those types of foods. If I recall correctly, Red and Nikki have been doing the food ordering lately. Amanda gave them that responsibility during her rule and they were doing it even before that point so how is it that the group is forcing Red to compromise his health?

 

Amanda was explaining to the group what Red seceding actually meant, and they way they put it was that he would  get his 1/15th share of all of the profits and then he would decide which business ventures he wanted to invest in. Rob pointed out that if he wanted it that way that the group could then also decide whether or not to let him participate in a particular business idea or not. There is some further clarification, and now it goes beyond just business investments and Amanda says that Red will be completely financially independent from the group and buy his own food and have to pay for his share of the utilities. Also, if they wanted to do some home improvements he would decide whether or not to help pay for those and again Rob and Josh made sure to mention that if he decided not to pitch in, he couldn't use any of the amenities.

 

Amanda says that if Red starts to struggle, the group was under no obligation to take him back. He had to live off the land and take care of himself. They then brought up the deer and what would happen if he caught another one. Red said that he gave the deer to the group as a gift and that he has always been doing his part to take care of the group and that he has never stolen from them (guess he forgot about robbing the safe with Dave and then also about destroying some of the community food because they didn't like it). Red says that the group has stolen from him numerous times. Rob mentioned that Red, Hex and himself all have hunting tags and that they should still agree to share any deer that caught. Josh pointed out that since Red would only get 1/15th of the space in the freezer so he wouldn't have a place to keep it anyway. They agree to continue to share deer.

 

Amanda goes back to saying the only thing Red won’t be part of are the business ventures, though that isn't exactly what it sounds like. I'm still not exactly sure how him deciding which businesses to support alleviates the issue of him being 'forced' to eat gluten especially since, as I mentioned before, he has been doing much of the food ordering and also hoarding his own personal supply of snacks things. Many of the snacks he claimed he had to have are loaded with gluten, so he's the only one causing his food related health issues. All of this just kind of sounds like a way for Red to only do the things he wants to and put in minimal work while still trying to benefit from many of the communal things. The first time he and Dave went off and formed "Utopia State of Freedom" that's pretty much exactly how it went. They stole money to buy all their own food but were there front and center for every communal meal - gluten free or otherwise.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Rapunzel

[Rahul]

The hillbilly from Kentucky has seceded from the union!

 

Oh please. This has producer intervention written all over it. If Red were really that miserable he would've walked off the compound by now.

 

This shit can't get canceled soon enough.

[In Pog Form]

Amanda was explaining to the group what Red seceding actually meant, and they way they put it was that he would  get his 1/15th share of all of the profits and then he would decide which business ventures he wanted to invest in. Rob pointed out that if he wanted it that way that the group could then also decide whether or not to let him participate in a particular business idea or not.

This is so insane.

If he's actually seceding, then why would he have any share in the profits, or any right to use communal facilities such as the refrigerator, or any right to "invest" in their business plans?

Seceding should mean that he wants no part of their activity, not that he gets to pick and choose from a buffet of benefits, without any of the responsibility.

Edited September 23, 2014 by In Pog Form

[Rahul]

If everyone feels like it's all just pretend and doesn't care what they do I won't bother to recap anything. 

 

My frustration wasn't aimed at you--its with FOX and the team behind this shit show for trying to pull the wool over the audience's eyes on what is undisputedly producer driven, manipulated and even semi-scripted drama. The whole concept is a farce. I recently learned that MasterChef isn't a legitimate amateur cooking competition but a fully scripted "reality" show with a predetermined outcome, so my indignation with the network has reached a boiling point.

 

That being said, please don't stop the recapping on my account. I'm equally frustrated with myself for not being able to look away from this train wreck.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Rahul

[Pixel]

Please don't stop recapping. The recaps, yours and others, are so much better than the actual show!

[clod]

  Josh is wearing his bright green short shorts again.  It's shorty short Sunday, after all.  He gets a few side eyes over his choice of wardrobe, but he says that a couple of people who watched the feeds last Sunday were there yesterday and told him how funny it was, and how good he looked in them.

 

 

 

Josh wearing the tightshorts for the visitors = exhibitionist.

 

 

Taylor says that Aaron's a fine chef, he just needs larger portion sizes.

/

Bella is upset that she's getting so little food, as is Nikkie,

 

 

 

How many time and how many people have said the portions are small?  How many people are losing weight?    hey cook!   Increase the portion sizes now!     or is there some reason to keep the portions small?   weaken the others?  sow discontent?   set certain people off?    hey cook, have YOU lost weight because you have not had enough to eat?

 

hey other people!   use your personal money to buy a 5lb bag of rice for $3 and some pasta.   every day, cook yourself an extra meal of rice or pasta.   simple seasoning or save a bit of breakfast/dinner to add  flavor to it.   you are losing weight, so eat more of your own cooking.

 

 

Ernesto is religious, he likes skydiving and motorcycles, the beach, and going to concerts.   .....  He says that his family and his friends are his top priority.

 

 

he won't be skydiving, riding motorcycles, playing on the beach, or going to concerts while on the farm.

 

family and friends top priority?   but, ..... isn't he planning on being away from them for a year?

 

somewhere there was a mention that he says he doen't like to cook, while his bio says he does like to cook.     that may be just a way to avoid having the daily hassle of cooking for fifteen.  for example, cooking for two a couple times a week can be nice, but cooking 14 meals a week for fifteen people, probably not fun.

 

or, maybe he pulled a fast one on casting.

 

 

Aaron says he's here to show the power of food.

 

 

that might be very significant.    he might be using food choices and portions to alter the group's morale and energy.   raising tensions, making things better or worse,  either to see what happens, to gain an advantage, or gradually influence the group into seeing him as an authority figure.   (please can I have more food, sir?)

 

 

 

the pest control guy said that the dirty kitchen is the reason the flies are still so prevalent.

 

 

I don't think the chef has been keeping that kitchen clean.

 

pic link from another forum

 

http://i.imgur.com/VM6H92J.jpg

 

 

it's time for someone else to be in charge of cooking for a few days, while Aaron does manual labor outside.

Edited September 23, 2014 by clod

[doribird]

Andy, please don't stop recapping!! I love more then the show! Wouldn't watch if not for your recaps! Thank you for your hard work!

[BusyOctober]

This whole show confuses me with it's upside logic, but the cooking/food thing is sooo stupid.  Why don't these fools cook for themselves? Is there a LAW that Aaron is the only one allowed in the kitchen? Did the Producers tell them "no eating unless King Aaron prepares it or you figure out how to steal in the middle of the night"?  Are the rest of them so useless in the real world that they can't boil pasta or rice?  If they are unhappy with the meals or portions, go to the pantry and make a PB & J or have a bowl of cereal.  They all keep bitching about MY Utopia, MY this or that.  Well, in MY Utopia, if I'm hungry I get off my ass, go to the kitchen and find something to eat.

[DeLurker]

Seriously where are the discussions about how to stretch your budget while getting nutrionally healthy and filling food? 

 

Everyone I know has had to go through this at some point in their life and everyone knows the basic.

 

Amanda is actually making sense on a semi-regular basis - was not prepared for that.

 

Andyourlittledog2 - you and the other recappers are obviously committing a lot of your time to watching the feeds and reporting on it for our collective consumption (best word I could come up with because enjoyment or amusement no longer fits because of the Topes ever growing list of transgressions) and it is greatly appreciated.  But from my standpoint, you recappers are potentially exposing yourself for extended periods to dumbassery & frustration at the highest level.  There's taking one for the team but if this gets to be too onerous, save yourself.  It's like volunteering at a leper colony.
 

[Mediocrates]

If everyone feels like it's all just pretend and doesn't care what they do I won't bother to recap anything. Personally I think it's some producer manip and some reality and therefore still kind of interesting. But if the consensus is that 'who cares, it's not real anyway' then I have other things I could be doing rather than typing this shit up for other people's information. Just sayin'.

Wow wow let's not get too rash :)

Some of us are not in agreement with the complaints and do actually appreciate the recaps. I really don't have the time to watch the live feeds and when I do find the time it's usually nothing exciting going on. I love this forum and am grateful for those of you who not only put the time in to watch the feeds but come back and fill the rest of us in with the details.

[henripootel]

Did the Producers tell them "no eating unless King Aaron prepares it or you figure out how to steal in the middle of the night"?

My guess: that's exactly what happened.  Well, not so much with Aaron cooking it as 'you must eat communal meals' (plus a bit of thievery if you're up for that).  There're very few other opportunities to get everyone together so mealtime (hopefully) makes for good pacing and drama. Else, it's just a bunch of people coming and going, making their own food and eating when they want to.  Which, not for nothing, is exactly what happens when normal people try to live civilly in close quarters, which is exactly what the producers don't want.

[PaperTree]

Seriously where are the discussions about how to stretch your budget while getting nutrionally healthy and filling food? 

 

Andyourlittledog2 - you and the other recappers are obviously committing a lot of your time to watching the feeds and reporting on it for our collective consumption (best word I could come up with because enjoyment or amusement no longer fits because of the Topes ever growing list of transgressions) and it is greatly appreciated.  But from my standpoint, you recappers are potentially exposing yourself for extended periods to dumbassery & frustration at the highest level.  There's taking one for the team but if this gets to be too onerous, save yourself.  It's like volunteering at a leper colony.

 

I totally agree.  Don't burn yourself out on this.  Thanks to your posts I'll be watching the show tonight, and I'm intrigued by the goings on.  Will it survive?  Who knows.  Hell, I wanted to see the end of that awful pirate show that got yanked.

 

It does all reek of manipulation though.  I mean, if Red "secedes"  he should go out in the woods, build his own camp, and be as free and independent as he wants.  He gets nothing further from the Topes once a "divorce" agreement is done.

 

What is the whole garden problem?  They just scattering seeds and expecting vegetables to appear tomorrow??  A little digging, planting, watering and weeding.  It's really not that complicated.

 

Now that they are online, can they get stuff from something like Craig's List or must they only do retail??  Can they make facebook requests for stuff for sale cheap?  

 

I meet many of my retail needs at yardsales.  You can get all sorts of small appliances, often brand new, for less than five bucks.  You could fill a kitchen for less than a hundred.

[DeLurker]

A little digging, planting, watering and weeding. It's really not that complicated.

A lot of stuff you can start from cuttings - green onions, celery, lettuce/cabbage/bok choy, ginger and potatoes to name a few I have tried. I'm completely inept at gardening but even I can manage those. They aren't an immediate harvest, but a decent start and some you can just leave planted and harvest repeatedly. Edited September 23, 2014 by DeLurker

[Etta Place]

I was watching Nikki talk to their grocery store yesterday and I don't know how the woman on the other end of the phone didn't end up just killing herself. Nikki asked "How much is peanut butter? Regular, natural, and organic? And what's the largest size you have of organic, and how much is it? And what's the price for regular peanut butter, both creamy and crunchy? And what's the biggest size of any peanut butter? And which one is cheapest overall? And wait, how much was the natural one and how big was it?" Oh my god. Then repeat that with dry black beans. And canned black beans. And "what are the cheapest beans overall?"

[Mediocrates]

I was watching Nikki talk to their grocery store yesterday and I don't know how the woman on the other end of the phone didn't end up just killing herself. Nikki asked "How much is peanut butter? Regular, natural, and organic? And what's the largest size you have of organic, and how much is it? And what's the price for regular peanut butter, both creamy and crunchy? And what's the biggest size of any peanut butter? And which one is cheapest overall? And wait, how much was the natural one and how big was it?" Oh my god. Then repeat that with dry black beans. And canned black beans. And "what are the cheapest beans overall?"

I really hope these people log all of this information and keep a record so they only have to do this once to these poor store clerks. They could keep a running list or spreadsheet on their computer of all the products and prices and build the grocery list offline first. Prioritize everyone's request and figure out the total without wasting time or buying a bunch of crap.

Who knew the overpayment for the beans on the first grocery bill would end up being the least of their grocery ordering debacles?

[OakGoblinFly]

I was watching Nikki talk to their grocery store yesterday and I don't know how the woman on the other end of the phone didn't end up just killing herself. Nikki asked "How much is peanut butter? Regular, natural, and organic? And what's the largest size you have of organic, and how much is it? And what's the price for regular peanut butter, both creamy and crunchy? And what's the biggest size of any peanut butter? And which one is cheapest overall? And wait, how much was the natural one and how big was it?" Oh my god. Then repeat that with dry black beans. And canned black beans. And "what are the cheapest beans overall?"

 

 

Why o why aren't they writing this down or asking for a list of prices to be sent with their order ..... especially if they're ordering from the same store.

[Zahdii]

I really hope these people log all of this information and keep a record so they only have to do this once to these poor store clerks. They could keep a running list or spreadsheet on their computer of all the products and prices and build the grocery list offline first.

 

According to feeds, Aaron had a list of the prices, but when they asked for it, he said he gave it to someone (he didn't remember who) and he never saw it again.  He was quite surly about it.  It probably met the same fate as the infamous second receipt.  Now that the feeds are muting out a lot of his personal conversations, we'll probably never know.  But I bet he and Kristen or Mike met privately after that and laughed about it.  Production seems to be trying hard to make him into the good guy, unless they're shutting down this type of stuff so people have to watch the TV show to see what the feedsters weren't able to see or listen to.  Fox is pretty much killing this whole thing.

[In Pog Form]

Josh wearing the tightshorts for the visitors = exhibitionist.

I don't think anyone who's not an exhibitionist would volunteer for a reality show with literally hundreds of cameras on them 24/7.

 

 

he won't be skydiving, riding motorcycles, playing on the beach, or going to concerts while on the farm.

With any luck, at the next "Utopia Experience" They'll hold a concert, and he can skydive on a motorcycle into the pond. And maybe they can buy a shark for the pond, which he can jump over. Eyyyyy!

Also, Bri would be put in charge of milking the shark, but would deliberately do it wrong.

 

I really hope these people log all of this information and keep a record so they only have to do this once to these poor store clerks. They could keep a running list or spreadsheet on their computer of all the products and prices and build the grocery list offline first.

May I remind you who we're talking about here?

The Utopian approach to shopping doesn't involve anything as boring as planning or budgets. It's all about goddess worship, and crop circles and voodoo, and patriotism and sexy times and manipulation and hillbilly pride! They don't have time for numbers or lists.

Edited September 23, 2014 by In Pog Form

[DeLurker]

Josh wearing the tightshorts for the visitors = exhibitionist.

The shorts are the picture of modesty and decorum when compared to the banana hammock!

Edited September 23, 2014 by DeLurker

[4leafclover]

A glimpse into the live feeds shows Nikki and Red having one of their "loop" type conversations about Red's food, gluten issues (or as Nikki calls it, "glu-enn") and the need to take care of himself.  After what seems like hours, Nikki finally picks up the phone to call and harass the poor grocery store girl, asking about organic tea vs regular tea, how many ounces, cost per ounce, etc etc etc ad nauseum.  Jumping to another camera shows Kristen and Bri talking about their letters to home--Kristen has written an 8 page letter to her boyfriend, tells Bri that both she and Aaron have significant others at home and that is why they are such good friends, because they each know the other is committed to someone else.  Bri says that in the "real world," she and Chris would have never hooked up, that she has a boyfriend on the outside and they've been together 4 years (she says since 2008 or 2009, so obviously her math is as accurate as her work history).  Bri can't understand why her boyfriend hasn't written her a letter yet (Red, please give this girl a dollar so she can buy a clue).  Kristen said she is going to shower today because she stinks, and she knows this because when she starts to stink, the flies swarm around her.  This is the person you want assisting in the kitchen, for sure.  Mike and Dedeker are having an in depth discussion in the garden about the corn, "it looks just like corn," and other riveting topics.  Bella walks up and Mike asks her why she waters the gardens after he waters them.  She asks him to only water the circular gardens and let her water the squash and tomatoes because the water must be under the leaves, not on top.  Bella asks Taylor to move the hoses to the garden for her, and Taylor tells her to do it herself.  Bella explodes, stomps into the house and starts taking pills from her stash (Lithium?  Xanax?  We can only hope).  Says she is going to leave, but Kristen talks her down from the ledge, telling her how important she is to the group and to just concentrate on her art.  Bella agrees.  Josh is busy making something, probably those "iconic" crates he thinks people will buy for $100 each.  Bri goes and plops down where Dedeker, Ernesto and Chris are digging for new gardens but all Bri does is sit there and yawn.  Ahhhh, another day in paradise....uh, I  mean Utopia.

[candall]

NOOOOOOO, DON'T GOOOOOOO!!!!  I LOVE THE RECAPS!!!!  I haunt this site, waiting to hear the latest screwball pioneer misadventure.  (Ha, I have an episode of Brain Games on my DVR about how people can basically get addicted to anything.  Haven't watched it yet.  Scared.)

 

The recaps are terrific.  Truthfully, I'm such a nut about the "behind the scene" events at this compound, I've tried to find other blogs about the live feeds--and there aren't any nearly as good as here.  I keep seeing references to Joker, but as far as I can tell, there's just a massive list of single sentence reports and no one really gets in there and discusses the ramifications, the way we do.  (I'd be willing to help out, but my location gets me the lowest 1% connection speed in the country.  Lots of solitaire while I wait for pages to load.  Grrr.)

 

I don't think the producers are responsible for everything we're seeing.  Marco900, from the Netherlands, says various changes were made in the rules there as well.  You'd have to expect that, er, fluidity, as unexpected things happen.  Someone else mentioned that BB was also a disaster when it first started.

 

Anyway, I like it.  The tv show is boring as hell, but thanks to the recaps from LittleDog (may I call you that?) and Zahdii, I think it's crazy interesting.

 

[4leafclover]

Haha......this was good.  Bri sitting on the ground watching Dede, Chris and Ernesto dig the new garden.  

 

Dede:  "Bri?  It would be awesome if you could put the corn in each of the holes."

Bri:  Long pause.  "Then what?" 

Dede:  "Cover them up with dirt."  

[4leafclover]

Trivia question:  Who was Churchill's Vice-President?   lol

[Mediocrates]

Now that the feeds are muting out a lot of his personal conversations, we'll probably never know. But I bet he and Kristen or Mike met privately after that and laughed about it. Production seems to be trying hard to make him into the good guy, unless they're shutting down this type of stuff so people have to watch the TV show to see what the feedsters weren't able to see or listen to. Fox is pretty much killing this whole thing.

What's the deal with all the muting? I don't really watch the feeds, but I'm envisioning it's as unwatchable as when Big Brother After Dark moved to TVGN.

[whack-a-mole]

What's the deal with all the muting? I don't really watch the feeds, but I'm envisioning it's as unwatchable as when Big Brother After Dark moved to TVGN.

Seems about right. I tried to tune in, but it kept being muted. Why bother if it's not going to be something?

[Mediocrates]

Amanda and Nikki are doing hand laundry under a tree with a washboard and buckets and suddenly Amanda asks what president said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country? Nikki looked at her blankly. Neither could figure it out. Amanda said it was during a war, civil war? WWII? Nikki proposed it was Churchill. They never did figure out it was Kennedy and was not a war speech. Gawd, our education system sucks.

And these are college educated individuals. With the exception of Taylor most have mentioned at least attending college or hold jobs which require degrees. Hell, even Red mentioned he went to college. So sad lol but that conversation made me chuckle.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Mediocrates

[vhakra]

I'm seriously disturbed by the lack of hygiene in their kitchen. I'm not sure which is worse the hideous looking stove coated in food/sauces or the swatted flies mashed into the countertops. It's good to know it's not just me that is hating the muted feeds too.

[BusyOctober]

Wow. I should be shocked but I'm not.  Too bad the only TV show that recognizes and rewards people for having an education is "Jeopardy".

[RedheadZombie]

Why o why aren't they writing this down or asking for a list of prices to be sent with their order ..... especially if they're ordering from the same store.

 

They did have a price list.  Aaron mysteriously gave it to "someone" and no one could find it.  He set Nikki up to look bad, and it worked.  My shit list is dynamic, but Aaron stays in the top three.  He's just vile.  Since Nikki and Bella are wasting away, Aaron bitched to Kristen that he has lost nine pounds!  Kristen - you guys have a scale here?  Of course not, Aaron can just feel that he lost nine pounds.

 

I fully expect the show to be heavily edited. I haven't watched it since episode two, but I've read the story goes that poor Aaron is a victim of racism.  If true, that especially enrages me.  I take racism very seriously, and to use it as a fake plot point makes the next true victim less likely to be believed.  What has surprised me, is the apparent effort to control the storyline on the feeds.  I don't get Big Brother feeds, but I've read that there's very little blocked.  People at Jokers truly believe that production is actively protecting Aaron.  He and Kristen used to plot together a lot, now they either don't show it, or the audio is lost, or the feed switches to somewhere else.  Red can't mention the call that tipped him off about Aaron.  Visitor Kim whispers to beware of Aaron and Kristen, and she left there believing she is banned.  After she spoke to a reporter, suddenly she's welcomed again.  Kristen is allowed to have a visitor sit with her, reveal what's on the feeds, and discuss coming up with a code so they can communicate later.  This just isn't what I thought the feeds would be about.

[RedheadZombie]

I keep seeing references to Joker, but as far as I can tell, there's just a massive list of single sentence reports and no one really gets in there and discusses the ramifications, the way we do.

 

 

I don't want it to look like I'm pushing Jokers - I only lurk there and prefer coming here.  They do have a discussion thread where more conversation happens.  If the sentence does not end with NT, click on the sentence and the rest will be shown.  Again, not pushing the site, just sharing what I've learned.

[hincandenza]

I would say about the recappers: we really appreciate what you do, but it's also a show with almost certainly very little time left.  Don't sacrifice your time too much, or burn yourselves out, for a show that fewer people actually watch than a finance committee session on C-SPAN.  If you're feeling frustrated, please- take a break!  It's not fair for any of us to demand you recap the show every day if it's frustrating (and it MUST be frustrating with these yahoos!) for you.  We can watch the live feeds as well, take turns, etc.

 

I think we all appreciate the amazing work you do, and the effort you folks put in... talking sh*t about this horrible, horrible show has been really entertaining and trashy fun.  But truly, the end of this forum is already known: the show is canceled probably in the next couple of weeks, you folks do one final recap of the live feeds (possibly witnessing the Myopians told their fate and ushered out, which is the one thing I still want to see), and then... all this work becomes just a memory of that weird stupid show FOX aired in the late summer of 2014.

[Pixel]

All I can say is, if you enjoy doing the recaps, it's a highlight of my day to read them.  If the show were half as good as your recaps, guys, more people would be watching it for sure.

[In Pog Form]

To be fair, no one that I recall used the word 'secede'. That was my word.  It was just so appropriate given the political situation of some of the red states not liking the federal government so threatening to secede, even though they are financially dependent on the blue states for the most part and would not fare well separately.

They are also the same states that nowadays claim to be the "real America" even though they are the ones that wanted to leave the Union.

But what is really happening, and outlined in great detail by Dede and Rob and Amanda, is that Red is separated financially from the group but not in any other way.  They have it all mapped out, with Red's agreement, how he pays his share of the bills that come in, how he uses community property, his ability to invest in others' projects and profit share from them IF an individual permits him to do so

In other words, special rules for Red, because he's a precious snowflake.

[Rahul]

In other words, special rules for Red, because he's a precious snowflake.

 

Or in producer speak, the plant.

[clod]

Eric and Nikki are talking about irrigation and how it's green here but not over there.

 

behind them, maybe ten feet away, is the border fence.    outside the fence there is virtually no green grass.   so the green patch they are sitting on is probably there as a result of landscaping.

Edited September 23, 2014 by clod