Current Plots Discussion II: Discussing Today's Episode and Current Storylines

[JBC344]

On 3/20/2025 at 11:22 AM, DisneyBoy said:

And who the hell is the Parrot Man she keeps referencing? Clearly not Peter. Rolfe?

Actually the Parrot Man was a character on the show back during the original Aremid/Woman in White storyline. He was also instrumental in revealing Lexie's paternity and that Stefano was her father. 

He was an eccentric man who would carry a fake parrot on his shoulder and talk to it. He was around when Celeste was hiding out there and gave birth to Lexie. He also knew Rachel of course. 

I was hoping we would get a cameo from him actually, but nonetheless it doesn't seem like they were interested in really exploring Rachel coming back. Celeste, Peter, Jennifer, Jack, and Parrot man should of all been apart of this story. 

[tribeca]

Johnny outburst at his dad was so interesting. EJ emotions were interesting but even he didn’t believe his excuses. 
     Does Johnny still talk to Allie ?  Allie said some nasty things to her mom about her and her twin having different dads.  Allie and EJ seemed to despise each other but I don’t remember it ever being explained why. 

[CanaryFan98]

3 hours ago, tribeca said:

Johnny outburst at his dad was so interesting. EJ emotions were interesting but even he didn’t believe his excuses. 
     Does Johnny still talk to Allie ?  Allie said some nasty things to her mom about her and her twin having different dads.  Allie and EJ seemed to despise each other but I don’t remember it ever being explained why. 

Offscreen Allie sent Johnny/Chanel a wedding present last year 

[DisneyBoy]

They really need to recast and being Allie back to sort some stuff out. Nothing about that character made sense.

[norcalgal]

8 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

They really need to recast and being Allie back to sort some stuff out. Nothing about that character made sense.

If they do, can they retcon Blanket Henry?  What’s the point of his existence when the storyline/aftermath regarding his conception fell like a dud?  

[boes]

10 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

They really need to recast and being Allie back to sort some stuff out. Nothing about that character made sense.

Oh please, DisneyBoy, I love you and I hate to disagree but NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!  Allie was the human equivalent of a pan of dishwater left in the sink for a week.  She made 'boring' and 'pointless' things to aspire to. 

I'd rather see Paul back and he had all the depth of a smiley face emoji brought to life.

[DisneyBoy]

2 hours ago, boes said:

Oh please, DisneyBoy, I love you and I hate to disagree but NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!  Allie was the human equivalent of a pan of dishwater left in the sink for a week.  She made 'boring' and 'pointless' things to aspire to. 

I'd rather see Paul back and he had all the depth of a smiley face emoji brought to life.

I guess this EJ plot made me think she was needed, plus the Chanel adoption plot. 😄 Can I plead temporary insanity?

I agree she was totally dull. I'd like that not to be permanent. A recast and some more focused writing would help. It would be nice to see Sami in Salem with all of her kids at the same time without us all side-eyeing Allie for being weird and lame.

And we haven't even met Sydney yet...

I don't believe for two seconds that Kat follows or cares about baseball. I don't really believe anything Analynn is doing on this show, honestly, whether falling for Chad (supposedly) or raising her sister (uh huh). She's been a good actress before, but maybe only in roles where she can play someone posh. This ordinary, regular good gal schtick ain't working.

Hey, wasn't Rafe all about adoption a few years ago? Why don't he and Jada scoop up all of Tate's unwanted hookup babies? I'm sure there will be more, since he has no academic storyline or career goals.

Melinda wearing stolen property all of a sudden on a daily basis is...I mean, I'm running out of ways to measure the stupidity on this show, but damn is that stupid AF.

Edited March 24 by DisneyBoy

[tribeca]

Julie looked a little crazy yelling at Melinda in the restaurant 

Melinda helped steal a baby and fake an adoption.  Wearing a stolen necklace isn’t that big a deal.   

Edited March 24 by tribeca

[DaphneCat]

57 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

don't believe for two seconds that Kat follows or cares about baseball. I don't really believe anything Analynn is doing on this show, honestly, whether falling for Chad (supposedly) or raising her sister (uh huh).

This whole thing to get her and Chad together is just so FORCED.  Yes, a hospital with a yearly budget of something in the millions is going to get saved by a lame "Family Fun Day" fundraiser that will probably net a few thousand dollars?  Sure, they'll be total heroes - not to mention the DiMearas and the Kiriakiases could simply write checks big enough to cover operating expenses until the hospital finds better financial management.

And I KNOW teens are supposed to be stupid, but Tate suddenly deciding HE can run Holly's life better than her is beyond stupid.  Yup, that will really go over well.  (Yes, I KNOW at this point Victoria could probably run both their lives better but the thought of Tate just making this executive decision for Holly really rankles - even if he is 30 something.)

[CanaryFan98]

1 hour ago, DaphneCat said:

This whole thing to get her and Chad together is just so FORCED.  Yes, a hospital with a yearly budget of something in the millions is going to get saved by a lame "Family Fun Day" fundraiser that will probably net a few thousand dollars?  Sure, they'll be total heroes - not to mention the DiMearas and the Kiriakiases could simply write checks big enough to cover operating expenses until the hospital finds better financial management.

And I KNOW teens are supposed to be stupid, but Tate suddenly deciding HE can run Holly's life better than her is beyond stupid.  Yup, that will really go over well.  (Yes, I KNOW at this point Victoria could probably run both their lives better but the thought of Tate just making this executive decision for Holly really rankles - even if he is 30 something.)

This reinforces how out of touch Days is with the times. In the past these stories and even cornier ones were done but they were at least watchable. Maybe because of the budget and there was better character development which made it seem less forced than it does today. 

The new writers better make some real changes I don't know what direction this show is planning creatively for the future because it looks bleak as of today.

[rcc]

Today's ep was stupid and boring. No wonder BF made that decision. I don't know why Analyn is such a big get for this show. Not impressed. Do like JJ and Gaby together.

[brisbydog]

1 hour ago, DaphneCat said:

This whole thing to get her and Chad together is just so FORCED.  Yes, a hospital with a yearly budget of something in the millions is going to get saved by a lame "Family Fun Day" fundraiser that will probably net a few thousand dollars?  Sure, they'll be total heroes - not to mention the DiMearas and the Kiriakiases could simply write checks big enough to cover operating expenses until the hospital finds better financial management.

And I KNOW teens are supposed to be stupid, but Tate suddenly deciding HE can run Holly's life better than her is beyond stupid.  Yup, that will really go over well.  (Yes, I KNOW at this point Victoria could probably run both their lives better but the thought of Tate just making this executive decision for Holly really rankles - even if he is 30 something.)

Xander literally offered to bail out the hospital last month. Sarah declined for the board I guess

[Sunrain]

On 3/21/2025 at 8:42 AM, CanaryFan98 said:

I personally find Leo rather insufferable he was fine at first when he was comic relief and didn't have all this airtime for no real reason. It's obvious he's an avatar of Ron which is even a bigger turnoff.

Greg Rikaart reminds me of Joseph Bottoms in a lot ways, both were trying so hard to be the comic relief, both over-the-top performances often made their roles Leo and Kirk and 2nd Cal Winters into a caricature of extremely cartoonish and forgettable characters with absolutely no depth and people probably felt like catching a stomach flu watching these two "performing" on screen. 

Edited March 25 by Sunrain

[Giuseppe]

6 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

She's been a good actress before, but maybe only in roles where she can play someone posh. This ordinary, regular good gal schtick ain't working.

She was too over the top today. I don't know if she was trying to play giddy or excited or whatever because Chad was in her apartment and she likes him, but she was acting like a 13-year-old girl. And did she really pull out a tray of hot dogs from the oven? Is that how we're cooking hot dogs now, or did they say she was just keeping them warm in there?

Billy Flynn seemed completely checked out of those scenes. I can see this storyline being what made him leave.

[nilyank]

6 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

It would be nice to see Sami in Salem with all of her kids at the same time without us all side-eyeing Allie for being weird and lame.

So she is like Will then. I would also add boring and passive.

[DisneyBoy]

6 hours ago, tribeca said:

Melinda helped steal a baby and fake an adoption.  Wearing a stolen necklace isn’t that big a deal.   

Solid point. Though I'd say she instigated a stealing. 🤓

48 minutes ago, Giuseppe said:

And did she really pull out a tray of hot dogs from the oven? Is that how we're cooking hot dogs now, or did they say she was just keeping them warm in there?

Did that seriously happen?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm almost sorry I stopped watching.

What this show needs is not to have characters so wooden and flat and irritating that we tune out several days a week.

A "direction" for this show feels like too much to ask for. Just less sucky people, please.

[DisneyBoy]

Well this was a good episode! Plots points moved forward! Very nice!

I liked the 1/2/3 of Tate telling Julie about Doug, not telling Holly about telling Julie and then Julie confronting Doug and kicking him out. They could have dragged that all out, but after 3 months, they finally did something to wrap up the necklace saga. Too bad Susan overacted a bit there at the end (a constant issue of hers) but at least she didn't hold back.

I feel like the Deidre Hall of the 90s would have done more subtle acting with Marlena's monologue to Steve. Just me?

I miss the old Deidre in terms of her delivery. She used to sound both grand and natural. Now, the natural part isn't there as much. She was fine today, but her tics are so consistent that her performances feel like...performances. She still brings the tears though.

I guess I want her to knock this tragic storyline out of the park...but I feel like she's so settled into her routine as a performer that she'll likely do what she usually does.

Maybe she'll surprise us.

Was anyone else annoyed that Ron only referenced his own Jarlena plots and moments? I didn't need to hear about the dock reunion again for the tenth time, but something else maybe besides the dumb Megan plot (which even Steve pointed out wasn't a deliberate rescue). How about John finding Marlena at the elaborate Masquerade ball in Paris, which was a massive storyline? Or gun-toting Marlena and Steve rescuing him and Paul from Yo Ling?

But no - Ron only references Ron.

Ava, if all these break-up speeches are only going to mean you bang Brady in two months or less, I'm going to hate you more than I already do. Walk away and mean it.

Melinda was only in the scene with Kristen and EJ to bear witness to her threat. Subtle.

Edited March 25 by DisneyBoy

[BuckeyeLou]

I thought Julie(Susan) was powerful in her scenes showing her anger & heartbreak towards Doug3, I was crying at the end, I felt so badly for Julie!  She had opened her heart to someone after Doug died and that person betrayed her. Meanwhile, as DisneyBoy said, I feel like Deidre is giving a 'performance", I did not really Feel her anguish, maybe its just how I saw it, but I wanted to feel moved & emotional about Marlena's pain.  And I dont understand why Marlena thinks wandering the streets of Tallinin will help her find John.  Meanwhile, my theory is that John slipped over the border from Estonia into Ukraine(next door) to help in the war effort & that was where he was killed(just me thinking of how they are going to write John's death)

[DisneyBoy]

Oh wow - I don't know how I'd feel about that. It's such an awful real world situation. I feel like maybe John's death should be its own thing.

If Ron's material ends in like 2 weeks, do you think they might have rewritten his ending to John's disappearance?

[brisbydog]

6 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

Oh wow - I don't know how I'd feel about that. It's such an awful real world situation. I feel like maybe John's death should be its own thing.

If Ron's material ends in like 2 weeks, do you think they might have rewritten his ending to John's disappearance?

Four more weeks...

[Sunrain]

2 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I feel like the Deidre Hall of the 90s would have done more subtle acting with Marlena's monologue to Steve. Just me?

I miss the old Deidre in terms of her delivery. She used to sound both grand and natural. Now, the natural part isn't there as much. She was fine today, but her tics are so consistent that her performances feel like...performances. She still brings the tears though.

I guess I want her to knock this tragic storyline out of the park...but I feel like she's so settled into her routine as a performer that she'll likely do what she usually does.

Strangely, Dee's performances haven’t felt the same since the 90s. I've seen the old scenes of a tearful Marlena telling Don Craig she was falling for Roman and mourning for her husband's death. She was more believable as a grieving widow or actual person who was giving a heartfelt apology for hurting her loved one back then. Maybe Botox or her diva personality changes everything.

2 hours ago, BuckeyeLou said:

I thought Julie(Susan) was powerful in her scenes showing her anger & heartbreak towards Doug3, I was crying at the end, I felt so badly for Julie!  She had opened her heart to someone after Doug died and that person betrayed her. Meanwhile, as DisneyBoy said, I feel like Deidre is giving a 'performance", I did not really Feel her anguish, maybe its just how I saw it, but I wanted to feel moved & emotional about Marlena's pain.  And I dont understand why Marlena thinks wandering the streets of Tallinin will help her find John.  Meanwhile, my theory is that John slipped over the border from Estonia into Ukraine(next door) to help in the war effort & that was where he was killed(just me thinking of how they are going to write John's death)

Hmm, linking John's passing to the state of affairs with national or international politics might not be a good idea after all, the storyline of Jack's mayoral campaign was handled like a comical train wreck without any depth. I think John's passing will probably be treated in similar way to Isabella's cancer.

Edited Tuesday at 10:03 PM by Sunrain

[CanaryFan98]

This might venture into unpopular opinion but I don't think Tate was wrong snitching on Doug. While his motives may not be pure for snitching on Doug. Doug robbed the widow of his namesake during his funeral I don't feel bad for him at all here.

[Rodney]

39 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

This might venture into unpopular opinion but I don't think Tate was wrong snitching on Doug. While his motives may not be pure for snitching on Doug. Doug robbed the widow of his namesake during his funeral I don't feel bad for him at all here.

He wasn't wrong, per se, but it was none of his business.  And this was an example of someone doing the right thing for the wrong reason.  (Because, as you said, he didn't do it for pure motives.)  If Holly gets mad at him over this, then she'll absolutely have a good reason to be.

[Artsda]

On 3/24/2025 at 2:50 AM, DisneyBoy said:

They really need to recast and being Allie back to sort some stuff out. Nothing about that character made sense.

I think they need Sydney. They need a real Dimera child. 

Tate is so pathetic, drops the truth then quickly says he has to go. All because he's jealous of holly leaving and not going to his bedroom. He's slime. 

EJ being blamed for everything in the world is ridiculous.  Rachel kidnapped Ava and created that plan with other Rachel, then Kristen did nothing.  But EJ knows for 5 mins and also does nothing and he's the one who has to blame for everything regarding the kidnapping? 

Kristen raped how many? Jack? Stefan all people that Johnny thinks highly off, especially Stefan but EJ he wants dead when he knows his mother loved and married and couldn't stay away from him? 

Kate's covered up how much? She's covering for Phillip right now. Her son kidnapped Sami and everyone has no problem. 

Edited Wednesday at 01:00 AM by Artsda

[DisneyBoy]

Wait...Johnny liked Stefan?

[CanaryFan98]

15 hours ago, Rodney said:

He wasn't wrong, per se, but it was none of his business.  And this was an example of someone doing the right thing for the wrong reason.  (Because, as you said, he didn't do it for pure motives.)  If Holly gets mad at him over this, then she'll absolutely have a good reason to be.

I won't be bothered by Holly calling out Tate for doing this out of spite but still don't feel bad for Doug personally because he still did it and let people think Steven did it. 

[BuckeyeLou]

8 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Wait...Johnny liked Stefan?

I think they were talking about his Nono, Stephano

[Drtslim27]

15 hours ago, Artsda said:

I think they need Sydney. They need a real Dimera child. 

Tate is so pathetic, drops the truth then quickly says he has to go. All because he's jealous of holly leaving and not going to his bedroom. He's slime. 

EJ being blamed for everything in the world is ridiculous.  Rachel kidnapped Ava and created that plan with other Rachel, then Kristen did nothing.  But EJ knows for 5 mins and also does nothing and he's the one who has to blame for everything regarding the kidnapping? 

Kristen raped how many? Jack? Stefan all people that Johnny thinks highly off, especially Stefan but EJ he wants dead when he knows his mother loved and married and couldn't stay away from him? 

Kate's covered up how much? She's covering for Phillip right now. Her son kidnapped Sami and everyone has no problem. 

Let’s not forget his Uncle Eric.  But it’s completely different to find out that you were conceived due to your father raping your mother.

[DisneyBoy]

I was definitely seeing the parallels between Holly and Johnny's storylines today, with them both learning terrible truths about their father figures.

Johnny eyeing the bagel knife was heavy-handed as hell. And funny.

Paulina had me actually laughing today, but for all the wrong reasons. Man, did she embarrass herself. I wanted to just say, "Madame, you see the acting that your much younger costar is doing right next to you? See the real tears and pain she's expressing? Without chorteling out her words? Take note!"

It's unbelievable how bad her performances are. Will no one tell her to adjust what she's doing?

Holly asking for Doug to drop his pants was unexpected. And then the show didn't even commit to it and have him strip down, the way he would have in the 00s.

Loved the brief phone call with Nicole. Thank for you that mention.

Not a fan of new Sophia.

[Artsda]

18 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Wait...Johnny liked Stefan?

Yes, he was all team Uncle Stefan. He was taking his side over EJs.  While knowing what Stefan did to Abby. Johnny also was team Ava also. Even after knowing she lied about being married.

This trying to blame everything including global warning on EJ is ridiculous. Half the town has done worse.  He didn't kidnap Ava but that's all on him. 

[BuckeyeLou]

Not Too Obvious to keep showing Johnny looking at that knife!  I actually felt somewhat sorry for EJ as his son lashed into him.  Tate broke his promise to Holly,  I see the 2 of them drawing apart.  Uh Oh, Maggie is onto Holly's involvment with Doug3.  On a shallow note, Chanel was wearing a Very short Mini-dress with a lot of cleavage to meet Mrs. Choi and Paulina always wears big, blingy necklaces but today's was something else!  The necklace looked like sticks glued together :)

[Badger]

. Do people understand that what EJ did wouldn’t have been classified as rape at that time? It was scummy and terrible behavior, yes, but not rape. I believe much of Johnny's anger stems from the fact that he blames EJ for why he and Chanel cannot adopt the baby.

[Irlandesa]

44 minutes ago, Badger said:

. Do people understand that what EJ did wouldn’t have been classified as rape at that time? It was scummy and terrible behavior, yes, but not rape. I believe much of Johnny's anger stems from the fact that he blames EJ for why he and Chanel cannot adopt the baby.

By that logic, husbands forcing their wives to have sex in the 70s "wasn't rape" because the law didn't say it was.  Just because a misogynistic society doesn't want to punish men doesn't make sexual violence not sexual violence or rape.

And laws varied greatly by jurisdiction. We don't know what Salem's laws said. Besides, they only define what criminal punishment someone might face.  They don't define what the actual act is.

I was in fandom at that time and it was openly referred to as EJ raping Sami.

Edited Thursday at 05:19 AM by Irlandesa

[JBC344]

Also let's not forget the part of the story that EJ had a gun, and wouldn't let Sami leave the car, and find alternate help. 

The "rape" aspect of that plotline isn't something new. It was discussed as a sexual assault back then. I think that we discuss the idea of consent more openly today, but that doesn't dismiss it back then. 

[nilyank]

EJ should have refused to help save Lucas’ life and left Sami at the side of the road. I would have been perfectly fine with dead Lucas.

[BuckeyeLou]

Today's show had some interesting scenes. I especially liked the confrontation between Alex & Philip...the actor playing Philip makes the funniest faces!  The "fight" scene was a hoot!  Then I liked the scene between Sophia & Doug3, I got a "vibe" from them.  At least they were honest about what each of them was feeling.  Holly was over-wrought talking to Tate, I do think they need a break. Meanwhile, who has Melinda sold the necklace to?!

[DaphneCat]

2 hours ago, BuckeyeLou said:

Then I liked the scene between Sophia & Doug3, I got a "vibe" from them.  At least they were honest about what each of them was feeling. 

I like Sophia's character.  I REALLY don't want her to be ANOTHER female on this show who's willing to throw her life away for some man who's not worth it.  She seemed to genuinely want to place this baby (which she also really seemed to not want to have) up for adoption and get on with her life.  Please don't tell me it was all a ruse to get her hooks into Tate.

[Badger]

16 hours ago, JBC344 said:

Also let's not forget the part of the story that EJ had a gun, and wouldn't let Sami leave the car, and find alternate help. 

The "rape" aspect of that plotline isn't something new. It was discussed as a sexual assault back then. I think that we discuss the idea of consent more openly today, but that doesn't dismiss it back then. 

To be fair, I wasn't watching the show when that happened.  I used to watch it back in the 1970's but I started watching other shows.  If EJ threatened her with a gun, that changes everything.  That is definitely rape.  The fact that he wouldn't let her out of the car also contributes to it being rape.

[brisbydog]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

To be fair, I wasn't watching the show when that happened.  I used to watch it back in the 1970's but I started watching other shows.  If EJ threatened her with a gun, that changes everything.  That is definitely rape.  The fact that he wouldn't let her out of the car also contributes to it being rape.

He was on the run from shooting John. He did not use the gun to force her to have sex, but he would not let her leave to find help anywhere else.

[Nique]

18 hours ago, Badger said:

. Do people understand that what EJ did wouldn’t have been classified as rape at that time? It was scummy and terrible behavior, yes, but not rape. I believe much of Johnny's anger stems from the fact that he blames EJ for why he and Chanel cannot adopt the baby.

Wtf are you talking about? It would be classified as rape in 2000s as Coercion via Violence putting a gun to her head by threatening to kill her husband fiance or love one if she doesn't sleep with him is rape. It's also rape by blackmail cause he threaten to let Lucas die if she didn't sleep with him. He wanted her to sleep with him and she wouldn't, so he used & threatened violence to get what he wanted given under normal circumstances it wouldn't happen. What the fuck is wrong with you!

Not all rape is aggressively violent or a violent struggle being beaten, their is date rape via being drugged by a foreign substance. It's no different from Jack's marital rape of Kayla after he confronting her about her affair with Steve when she got home after a reporter showed him pictures he took of Kayla with Steve wearing a dress that Jack had bought her on new year's & she couldn't deny it happened during their marriage. He raped her, insisting that he was taking what was "rightfully his". Martial rape wasn't always recognized as rape that doesn't change the fact that it is unequivocally rape. A husband isn't entitled to his wife or sex, nor is he entitled to take what he wants cause it's his wife.

If you want to love your rapemance that's your business but don't insult the rest of ours intelligence with this no common sense bullshit. Educate yourself on what rape is & the many different forms of rape before running off at the mouth not knowing wtf you're talking about. It is an insult to all rape and sexual assault victims all around the world who have suffered at the hands of predators who don't understand no means no & you're not entitled to a woman's body via Violence no matter what. Too many people are showing their ugly souls in a attempt to lie, excuse & downplay EJ's rape of Samantha.

Some of y'all need a come to Jesus moment and quickly before you unfortunately find yourself in the same situation you're claiming isn't rape👌🏾

Edited Thursday at 11:35 PM by Nique

[DanaMB]

Today’s episode. 
 

“Wait, Doug will be arrested for this?”

Tate is as dumb as his father. 

[Artsda]

Wow Sarah really is terrible. Her lack of caring about Stephanie, trying to get her to take the fall for her lie. Stephanie needs to tell Alex and let Xander dump Sarah. Let her lose him. Then she tried to manipulate her using the baby. 

Stephanie doesn't need to ruin her life for Xander or Phillip relationship. It has nothing to do with her. Tell the full truth. 

Tate is an idiot.  Good for Holly dumping him. 

 

[CanaryFan98]

I have to agree that Sarah is terrible here and I hate saying that because I usually like her most of the time. 

 

I do think the best part of today's episode was the cliffhanger at the end of today's episode. Kudos to Days for keeping it under wraps.  It's kind of full circle here too.

Edited Friday at 01:59 PM by CanaryFan98

[Retired at last]

I guess that when they can't blame Clyde for a crime, they haul out Orpheus.

I have never liked Sarah and this version of her is terrible. Xander doesn't deserve to be lied to and betrayed by the woman he cares the most about. I guess they will get back together in the long run, but I can't wait to read about it when he dumps her. I am guessing that it will be some Victoria health issue to get them back together again, but that won't be for a while. I hope Maggie gives her the silent treatment, too.

[CanaryFan98]

1 hour ago, Retired at last said:

I guess that when they can't blame Clyde for a crime, they haul out Orpheus.

I have never liked Sarah and this version of her is terrible. Xander doesn't deserve to be lied to and betrayed by the woman he cares the most about. I guess they will get back together in the long run, but I can't wait to read about it when he dumps her. I am guessing that it will be some Victoria health issue to get them back together again, but that won't be for a while. I hope Maggie gives her the silent treatment, too.

Well at least here it makes sense given Orpheus's history with John/Marlena.

Clyde OTOH should've been killed off ages ago. 

That being said I hope after this storyline they retire the Orpheus character I mean I like the actor (and even the character despite being a shell of their former glory) but I'm not really sure what else they can do with this character at this stage of his life. I know he has kids and even grandkids so I guess he could be around for that down the line(if Days is still around by then).

[brisbydog]

What a mess Sarah has created. Well meaning but her best plan right now is to go to Xander and tell him everything herself. But she won't, he will hear it third hand and leave her. I can't beleive the gall of her asking Stephanie to cop to having an affair to protect this stupid secret. I hate everything about this story. It is making Sarah act wildly out of character just to serve the plot. Pure Ron.

Xander acting like a gossipy teen is just ludicrous. This is a man who has a rap sheet a mile long and used to be scary. Now he is moping about Stephanie and Philip's hook ups? Old Xander would have just told Philip to do whatever but keep it on the downlow. 

I'm so glad Maggie doesn't know. Xander needs one person he can still trust. This story is so ludicrous. Xander ran Titan solo before. The only reason he got violent last year was because Sarah was hurt. He would have fired Philip and prosecuted him and that would have been it.

I'm happy it's Orpheus to finish John's story. He was his first nemesis and it's fitting he's his last.

[DisneyBoy]

17 minutes ago, brisbydog said:

Now he is moping about Stephanie and Philip's hook ups? Old Xander would have just told Philip to do whatever but keep it on the downlow. 

Yeah I didn't buy his forced interest in this affair. Who cares? And then him running over to console poor Alex, whom he barely sees? Huh?

Big episode otherwise. Didn't expect a nuclear bomb plot. Does that make any sense? Estonia secretly developing a bomb to sell to bidding countries? Is that...plausible?

I guess we should just be glad it isn't the Alamanian Peacock again.

Can someone really explain to me when John conceived Paul? I feel like the show is gaslighting me every time they talk about it.

...because it never made any sense, right? Right? I'm not crazy right?

Orpheus. Thoughts? Do you find his involvement fitting? Or cliche? 

[Rodney]

2 hours ago, brisbydog said:

I hate everything about this story. It is making Sarah act wildly out of character just to serve the plot. Pure Ron.

It's not quite out of character if you think back to Sarah's Aimee Richardson days.  She did plenty of wild stuff back then, too.  (Think what she did to Neil.)  I think that Ron's harkening back to those days.

That said, it's still horrible that she's putting Stephanie in this position.  This isn't fair to her or Alex.

[norcalgal]

Just my speculation based on recent episodes, but it’s looking like we’ll get a “Who Shot JR….er, EJ” storyline. Ava, Kristen, Kate, Johnny will be the suspects. 

[brisbydog]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

It's not quite out of character if you think back to Sarah's Aimee Richardson days.  She did plenty of wild stuff back then, too.  (Think what she did to Neil.)  I think that Ron's harkening back to those days.

That said, it's still horrible that she's putting Stephanie in this position.  This isn't fair to her or Alex.

That's true. Sarah crawling into bed with Neil and trying to get him fired for malpractice was wild. On the other hand he basically assaulted Maggie by putting his own sperm in her rather than the agreed surrogate so he deserved it.

My dream story is for Evan to return from  the dead and be reinstated as Sarah's biological dad. Lane Davies was talking about it recently so I think he could be talked into a short visit.