And Just Like That... The Documentary airs Feb 3

[T Summer]

And Just Like That... The Documentary Trailer Gives A Window Into The Shaping Of The New Series
 

by Valerie Ettenhofer 1/31/22

"The whirlwind event that was "And Just Like That..." season 1 is coming to an end, and HBO Max is celebrating the finale with a documentary about the "Sex and the City" reunion series. A new trailer takes viewers inside some of the casting and costuming of the new season, plus shows plenty of footage of the actresses reuniting.

And Just Like That...The Documentary" will drop on the streamer on February 3, the same day as the season's final episode. The behind-the-scenes look at the show seems exciting and nostalgic, and possibly like it would've framed the show in a more positive light for viewers if it had come out earlier. The new season has been heavily scrutinized by fans and critics alike, with Miranda's (Cynthia Nixon) plotline and the writing of new character Che (Sara Ramirez) gaining some of the heaviest criticism.

 

The cast and crew of the series are all smiles in the documentary, though. In one snippet, Nixon sits at a restaurant table with Sarah Jessica Parker and Kristin Davis and says the group is one day away from filming. "Even 23 years in, I'm excited," Parker says, before adding, "terrified and excited." We also get a peek inside the writers room, where the team behind the series comes up with the idea for Charlotte's menopause plot.

In voiceover, someone behind the scenes calls Parker "so tactile," and we're treated to a short montage of her and other cast members trying on potential outfits from the series' massive wardrobe department. The group seems really happy with the shooting experience, whether they're discussing new cast members, Nixon's turn in the director's chair (she directed the episode "Diwali"), or how exciting it feels to simply hear someone yell "action."

This documentary is all well and good, but its most important part seems to be emblazoned on the official poster–and snuck into the trailer's YouTube description. "This season may be ending, but we're not done yet," the YouTube caption reads, while the poster for the documentary is subtitled "A behind the scenes look at the making of the first season." First season, eh? "And Just Like That..." has often been billed as a limited series, but as it draws closer to its finale, there have been murmurs about a possible season 2. Ahead of a renewal announcement, these descriptions in the official documentary marketing materials are the next best proof that the show will go on.

The "And Just Like That..." finale and making-of documentary will air on HBO Max February 3.

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Edited February 1, 2022 by T Summer

[Rebecca berkowit]

MPK, re the new characters:  “I thought it was important to show somebody who isn’t just one thing.”  Ha!  Has he watched the show?  Has he met Che?  (Has he seen the comedy concert?).  One thing. Same is true for all the new characters, they were brought on for representation, and it’s obvious.  Layered and multifaceted they’re not.  WTF is he talking about? 

Edited February 1, 2022 by Rebecca berkowit

[Jillybean]

[NotMySekrit2Tell]

For anyone reading this and weighing whether to watch the documentary: 

I'd say if you loved And Just Like That..., you will probably enjoy this. If you were meh or worse on And Just Like That..., you can probably skip. It's about an hour and 15 minutes long, but it's the kind of making-of fluff you get on a DVD: you're only going to want it if you've completely devoured the main course and are hungry for more.  

This series made a lot of big choices (I thought many of them were terrible, but they were big), and there's not much of a sense of that in the documentary. They were making this before anything had aired and before there had been any reaction, but I guess I wanted to hear more about the decisions made and how they thought they would be received, what the thinking behind it all was. This is more superficial than that. The main focus of the documentary seems to be clothes. Molly Rogers, the costume designer, is a major voice.

Beyond that, it's a lot of things you might have guessed, like Kristin Davis having to work with a tennis instructor for the episode with the tennis. The other three actors in the scene were more experienced at tennis.   

We learn that Charlotte mistaking one Black woman for another at a party came about because the episode writer (Keli Goff, I think?) always has that experience with white people at parties. MPK (who kind of rubs me the wrong way) nixed a hat that SJP loved, and she was sad and bitter over it. The biggest revelation I got: Cynthia Nixon suggested an affair with Che when she wasn't wild about the original idea (Nya). If that's been spilled before, I hadn't read it. 

There's a lot of nostalgia over old outfits from SATC that have been in storage, and many clips of the episodes in which they originally appeared.

The Willie Garson tribute is the nicest part. He was in terrible pain while he was working, but one of the women says that if he had had more time, he would have kept battling through. Mario Cantone regrets that the series couldn't show the imperfect but loving Stanford/Anthony marriage more. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by NotMySekrit2Tell

[Hana Chan]

I wasted enough time on the show itself. Sitting through a self-congratulatory "documentary" where they try to paint the character assassination we witnessed as something interesting that needs to be discussed and rehashed (in a serious way and not a snarky way that we do here)...

[RedHawk]

1 hour ago, NotMySekrit2Tell said:

For anyone reading this and weighing whether to watch the documentary: 

I'd say if you loved And Just Like That..., you will probably enjoy this. If you were meh or worse on And Just Like That..., you can probably skip. It's about an hour and 15 minutes long, but it's the kind of making-of fluff you get on a DVD: you're only going to want it if you've completely devoured the main course and are hungry for more.  

This series made a lot of big choices (I thought many of them were terrible, but they were big), and there's not much of a sense of that in the documentary. They were making this before anything had aired and before there had been any reaction, but I guess I wanted to hear more about the decisions made and how they thought they would be received, what the thinking behind it all was. This is more superficial than that. The main focus of the documentary seems to be clothes. Molly Rogers, the costume designer, is a major voice.

If you do want to hear more about the writing and decisions made, you can listen to the Writers' Room podcast in the Extras. I only listened to the one for Ep 9 because MPK was so self-satisfied with his writing and making such justifications that I won't listen to more. They seem to have been recorded well after the episodes were filmed because in the one I heard they mentioned (and laughed at) the huge negative audience reaction to Che.

Edited February 3, 2022 by RedHawk

[Rebecca berkowit]

OMG, the Miranda plot would’ve made SO much more sense with Nya!  They’re both dissatisfied in their marriage, questioning things, spending time together outside of class in really contrived ways (weird subway mugging?).  It just makes sense.  Also, it seems like it was originally supposed to be a lesbian relationship, which tracks more with Cynthia’s life.  Guess she wanted to be even more transgressive, or maybe she just found Sara Ramirez hot?  Anyway, this why the Nya plot seems to be a separate show, because Nya was meant to be instrumental to a major plot point in THIS show, but then that was changed.  They had to keep her, I guess, because diversity? Was Che originally going to be a character at all?  I say that only because these writers seem to have decided that each character would get one new friend: Carrie/Seema, Charlotte/LTW, Miranda/Nya.  (Not agreeing with this approach, but it seems like this was the best and most obvious idea that occurred to them in terms of solving the diversity problem.)    I don’t know where Che was supposed to fit in.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Che was originally written as a much lesser role with scenes mostly at Carrie’s new wacky workplace, just to update from the newspaper column and show Carrie adjusting to new sexual mores and a new audience. (Based on the first episode).  But then Che got hijacked by Miranda, and we didn’t spend as much time with the podcast.  Maybe that’s why she didn’t get with the hot producer until the very end, although it seemed like they were telegraphing that in the first episode. They probably didn’t have time, because now they had new Miranda/Che stuff in addition to Miranda/Nya stuff.  Plus, they had to write a new story for Nya.  This explains SO MUCH.  This was supposed to be a different show entirely, the show promised in the first episode.  Imagine if all the bizarrely out of character and abrupt Che/Miranda stuff were not there and instead we got funny raunchy scenes with the podcast and a slowly developing romance for Carrie as she adjusted to widowhood.  Imagine if the Nya fertility drama was not there, and instead we got scenes with her and Miranda showing  them slowly having feelings for each other but struggling with them in light of their marriages.  I would watch that show.  
 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Rebecca berkowit

[Evie]

I said way back at the beginning of the series that Miranda and Nya would have made more sense. Cynthia Nixon really did this series zero favors with her demands. 

[Rebecca berkowit]

Seriously, some critic should write about this.  Sara Ramirez and Karen Pittman deserved better, and so did we.  I almost can’t believe they put that in the documentary for us to find out!

The more I think about it, the more I realize that this one little tidbit in the documentary is key to a Unified Field Theory of why Che, and in turn the show, didn’t work.  Even Sara Ramirez has gone on record as disliking the character in an interview in today’s NYT.  Think about it:  all the Che stuff was added to justify the idea Cynthia Nixon had, it wasn’t the writers’ vision and so it is not true to the show or the characters.   Most significant: without it you don’t need the most egregious thing of all and the thing which I bet turned most of the audience against this show, the Comedy Concert.  Sara Ramirez is not a standup, and the writers aren’t either.  This whole scene exists only so that Miranda and Che can run into each other again, and it shows.  It was all downhill from there. If Che doesn’t have to hook up with Miranda, the concert doesn’t happen.  Che doesn’t come over to Carrie’s house after surgery and bang Miranda in the kitchen.  Carrie doesn’t pee in a bottle.  We don’t get a backdoor pilot for the show about an infertile couple nobody cares about.  All the stuff people hated stems from this one decision.   They let Cynthia Nixon trash the whole concept.  Just my two cents.  

Edited February 3, 2022 by Rebecca berkowit

[Conotocarious]

Boy, were we ever right when we said Cynthia Nixon is to blame for this shitshow. Turns out she really was!

Edited February 3, 2022 by Conotocarious

[marny]

I must know if the documentary explains where the term “comedy concert” came from because no one in the world has ever called a comedy show that.  It was super-cringey to hear that phrase several times with no one correcting it. Was it meant to show how old and out-of-touch they all are? Or are the writers the ones who are out-of-touch?

[slowpoked]

So against my better judgments and not listening to y'all's warnings about this, I watched it. Do you guys know when they finished this doc? I know Chris Noth is forever banished, but it's still odd that they won't touch on that bombshell Big death that opened the series on the first episode. I wonder if they had this documentary with Big on there, and the background about the story on Big's death when they finished editing. But then had to go back to the editing room again and cut his parts out when the allegations surfaced.

[Shermie]

I’m just enjoying all the fashion porn in the doc. I’m amazed that somewhere all the SATC clothes were carefully stored; why, I wonder? For the odd chance of a reunion movie (which was the typical hope back when the show ended)? And then watching SJP try on outfit after outfit; what a treat it must be to try on beautiful clothes when you have a perfect figure. (jellus!) 

Plus, I always find in the “making of” shows how weird it looks when you see a tv or movie scene and they pull back and you see all the cameras and workers and other equipment. So meta.

[NotMySekrit2Tell]

8 hours ago, Rebecca berkowit said:

OMG, the Miranda plot would’ve made SO much more sense with Nya!  They’re both dissatisfied in their marriage, questioning things, spending time together outside of class in really contrived ways (weird subway mugging?).  It just makes sense.  Also, it seems like it was originally supposed to be a lesbian relationship, which tracks more with Cynthia’s life.  Guess she wanted to be even more transgressive, or maybe she just found Sara Ramirez hot?  Anyway, this why the Nya plot seems to be a separate show, because Nya was meant to be instrumental to a major plot point in THIS show, but then that was changed.  They had to keep her, I guess, because diversity? Was Che originally going to be a character at all?  

Yeah. Che was always going to be a character, but just Carrie's podcast boss/colleague. So their role got significantly enlarged. Nixon says in the doc that she was talking with MPK and said, instead of Nya as the affair, "What about this person you're bringing on for Carrie?"

5 hours ago, marny said:

I must know if the documentary explains where the term “comedy concert” came from because no one in the world has ever called a comedy show that.  It was super-cringey to hear that phrase several times with no one correcting it. Was it meant to show how old and out-of-touch they all are? Or are the writers the ones who are out-of-touch?

I can't say I've never said it, because I'm not sure, but it makes me think of something much bigger than what Che has been shown doing. Like what was filmed for Eddie Murphy: Raw in the '80s at Madison Square Garden with thousands of people in the audience. He wasn't just doing stand-up in an intimate venue.

It's true that "Eddie Murphy concert" would get the job done without "comedy," but then, in his case there was a separate music career.

41 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

So against my better judgments and not listening to y'all's warnings about this, I watched it. Do you guys know when they finished this doc?

December 6. At the end of it, they show the usual wrap celebration when the final scene on the schedule is completed. I think that's the last thing that went in the can for the documentary too. All of the interviews look to have been done while they were shooting (the actors are in the costumes). After that, it was probably just sequencing and editing.

[violet and green]

I just started to try to watch the documentary.... Oh my god, the jazz. No-one warned me about the jazz.

[Hana Chan]

The writers have clearly failed in the most basic rule of good storytelling. Show, don't tell. Telling us that Miranda was always miserable in her relationship with Steve didn't fly with the majority of the viewers didn't stick because the we saw in the show that their relationship was real and deep and genuine. If they wanted us to buy that things have changed significantly, they needed to show it in order for it to be believable. Because we didn't and just went by Miranda's totally out of character behavior, it didn't work. 

And when you need to trot out CN and SR (and the show runners) repeatedly in the press to justify this radical shift in a character's storyline and poo pooing that the audience is rejecting it because we just never understood Miranda as a character, it's again a failure on their part. It's not the audience's fault that they didn't believe or like what we were seeing. And with good storytelling, you can get your audience to go along with pretty much anything. They took the sloppy, lazy way out and then have their surprised faces on that it wasn't well received, When you read fanfiction written by a fourteen year old that shows more thought and consideration that we saw here, it's not the audience who has the problem.

[NeenerNeener]

I actually enjoyed the documentary, which is more than I can say for the actual show. The Miranda/Che stuff was kept to a bare minimum and we got a tribute to Willie Garson in it. There were a few of the less offensive clips from the show itself and we got to see literal acres of clothing. I now understand why they dress Carrie that way, if it's not loud it doesn't stand out on those clothing racks.

ETA: I may be 100% wrong, but I think CN wanted SR as Miranda's affair because she looks like CN's current wife.

Edited February 4, 2022 by NeenerNeener

[bluegirl147]

2 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

 

ETA: I may be 100% wrong, but I think CN wanted SR as Miranda's affair because she looks like CN's current wife.

Even before I watched the documentary I told a friend I think Cynthia Nixon had a crush on Sara Ramirez and that is why she wanted her character involved with her.

Since a lot of us here said Miranda should have gotten involved with Nya and that was the plan until Nixon stuck her nose in it this is an example of why actors should act and writers should write.

[funnygirl]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

Even before I watched the documentary I told a friend I think Cynthia Nixon had a crush on Sara Ramirez and that is why she wanted her character involved with her.

Since a lot of us here said Miranda should have gotten involved with Nya and that was the plan until Nixon stuck her nose in it this is an example of why actors should act and writers should write.

A hot-for-teacher storyline between Miranda and Nya would've been more organic and probably better executed. For all we know, there wouldn't have been an Andre and IVF storyline and instead Professor Wallace could've been a single lesbian or bisexual. And instead of intelligent Miranda doing a 180 and turning into a Karen with her blunders, her and Nya may have connected on an intellectual level as they would have that in common. Miranda's the oldest one in the class, first to answer all the questions, visit's during office hours, they strike up a rapport... this is a story that would have made sense and may have highlighted the disconnect between Miranda and Steve vs. Miranda and Professor because of certain commonalities.  10 episodes and I see no reason why Che is a better match for Miranda than Steve. The whole thing was a vanity project for Cynthia. 

[bluegirl147]

5 minutes ago, funnygirl said:

The whole thing was a vanity project for Cynthia. 

The question is will they let her do it again if there is a season two.

They can blame the audience and the reviewers all they want.  If they want to continue to delude themselves into thinking they have written some insightful meaningful love story between Miranda and Che go ahead.  But just know I doubt they will have as many people willing to watch the next chapter. 

[slowpoked]

11 minutes ago, funnygirl said:

A hot-for-teacher storyline between Miranda and Nya would've been more organic and probably better executed. For all we know, there wouldn't have been an Andre and IVF storyline and instead Professor Wallace could've been a single lesbian or bisexual. And instead of intelligent Miranda doing a 180 and turning into a Karen with her blunders, her and Nya may have connected on an intellectual level as they would have that in common. Miranda's the oldest one in the class, first to answer all the questions, visit's during office hours, they strike up a rapport... this is a story that would have made sense and may have highlighted the disconnect between Miranda and Steve vs. Miranda and Professor because of certain commonalities.  10 episodes and I see no reason why Che is a better match for Miranda than Steve. The whole thing was a vanity project for Cynthia. 

With MPK at the helm, I'm sure they would have found a way to ruin this too.

For me, instead of having someone else for Miranda, why not have her storyline instead just solely focused on her crumbling marriage with Steve? A marriage can fall apart without a third party, happens all the time. Then they can fully flesh out how sad, bored and stuck she has felt, also dealt with Steve's feelings, and have Brady deal with his parents too. A full-on family drama. 

Instead, they wanted to shoehorn a new love interest for Miranda out of nowhere, without writing the ending marriage part of her properly. 

Then a teaser for a new love interest for Miranda at the finale would have felt earned.

[luna1122]

3 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

 

ETA: I may be 100% wrong, but I think CN wanted SR as Miranda's affair because she looks like CN's current wife.

Hmm. I hate SR's 'do and am not fond of Che as a character, but I do think they are objectively pretty physically attractive. CN's wife may be the best person on the planet but...I can't express this without being unkind, but I don’t think she looks at all like SR

[Cementhead]

39 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

For me, instead of having someone else for Miranda, why not have her storyline instead just solely focused on her crumbling marriage with Steve? A marriage can fall apart without a third party, happens all the time. Then they can fully flesh out how sad, bored and stuck she has felt, also dealt with Steve's feelings, and have Brady deal with his parents too. A full-on family drama. 

Instead, they wanted to shoehorn a new love interest for Miranda out of nowhere, without writing the ending marriage part of her properly. 

Then a teaser for a new love interest for Miranda at the finale would have felt earned.

Beautifully said!   If this show had been written as a love letter to the fans they would have taken the time to do exactly that but instead the show was seemingly written for Cynthia Nixon, box checking and easy pay cheques so here we are. 

44 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

They can blame the audience and the reviewers all they want.  If they want to continue to delude themselves into thinking they have written some insightful meaningful love story between Miranda and Che go ahead.  But just know I doubt they will have as many people willing to watch the next chapter. 

I agree.  Big fans of the original show who stuck with this mess solely out of loyalty and nostalgia will not automatically show back up for season 2 because even though they were able to entice everybody to watch by selling this as "the next chapter of SATC" I don't think many people will fall for it a second time. It will be an entirely different stand alone show by then with even less of a connection to anything that was once great about the original.  And they might as well just scrap the title AJLT for the next season and call it what it is; The Cynthia Nixon Show. 

Edited February 4, 2022 by Cementhead

[bluegirl147]

18 minutes ago, Cementhead said:

 

I agree.  Big fans of the original show who stuck with this mess solely out of loyalty and nostalgia will not automatically show back up for season 2 of this mess because although they were able to entice everybody this time and sell this as "the next chapter of SATC" I don't think many people will fall for it a second time. It will be an entirely different stand alone show by then with even less of a connection to anything that was once great about the original.  And they might as well just scrap the title AJLT for the next season and call it what it is; The Cynthia Nixon Show. 

That is what happened with the Dallas reboot.  First season a lot of fans from the original tuned in.  We were excited to see our favorites again.  The next two seasons ratings dropped because our favorites being back just wasn't enough.  New characters became more of the focus and the writing wasn't all that good.

AJLT should heed that as a warning. But I have a feeling they will double down and give Che her own tv show and have Miranda be her agent or some shit.   Hell maybe Cynthia Nixon will suggest they film in Hollywood and have Carrie and Charlotte move to the West Coast.

[Rai]

I legit thought that Che would be the catalyst to the end game of Nya and Miranda. They made much more sense for that plotline, and some of their early scenes together had that vibe. I will say that both Che and Nya are pretty hot in very different ways. OTOH, both Miranda and Nya blowing up their marriages would also seem kind of clunky to me.

Che doesn't seem like they're really right for Miranda long term, but I certainly can see Miranda getting caught up with someone who's wrong for her and not realizing it they're wrong for her. But hey, who knows where season 2 will go?

All that said, first instincts were probably best, creative team. Nya and Miranda just make more sense.

[violet and green]

MPK was wrong about the hat.

[funnygirl]

Ruh roh. I didn't watch the documentary, but for those who did, is this true? 

[Rebecca berkowit]

4 minutes ago, funnygirl said:

Ruh roh. I didn't watch the documentary, but for those who did, is this true? 

Weird, because I swear I read an interview with Sara disliking the character.  

[Ms Blue Jay]

19 hours ago, Shermie said:

I’m just enjoying all the fashion porn in the doc. I’m amazed that somewhere all the SATC clothes were carefully stored; why, I wonder? For the odd chance of a reunion movie (which was the typical hope back when the show ended)? And then watching SJP try on outfit after outfit; what a treat it must be to try on beautiful clothes when you have a perfect figure. (jellus!) 

Plus, I always find in the “making of” shows how weird it looks when you see a tv or movie scene and they pull back and you see all the cameras and workers and other equipment. So meta.

I saw the first five minutes, and yes, agreed, it's great fashion porn.  I'll have to watch the whole thing just for that.  

5 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

Even before I watched the documentary I told a friend I think Cynthia Nixon had a crush on Sara Ramirez and that is why she wanted her character involved with her.

Cynthia Nixon has admitted this flat outright.  You can find articles about this.  I'm pretty sure we even linked to them in the media thread.

Edited February 4, 2022 by Ms Blue Jay

[Picture It. Sicily]

Sara has been quoted as saying, "I don't recognize myself at all in Che."

[funnygirl]

20 minutes ago, Picture It. Sicily said:

Sara has been quoted as saying, "I don't recognize myself at all in Che."

That's odd, because in this article from December Sara says: Michael Patrick King was very clear with me that this would be a collaborative process, and that my ideas and thoughts were welcome. 

If that is the case, why wouldn't there be discussion and course-correction if there were issues with the character during production? Filming wrapped before the show aired, perhaps actors - like producers and writers - start to backpedal once there's criticism. 

Edited February 4, 2022 by funnygirl

[Picture It. Sicily]

30 minutes ago, funnygirl said:

That's odd, because in this article from December Sara says: Michael Patrick King was very clear with me that this would be a collaborative process, and that my ideas and thoughts were welcome. 

If that is the case, why wouldn't there be discussion and course-correction if there were issues with the character during production? Filming wrapped before the show aired, perhaps actors - like producers and writers - start to backpedal once there's criticism. 

It could very much be a face saving effort on Ramirez's part, given the backlash to the character. Maybe they wanted to play a character unlike themselves. I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if the universal derision for Che took them by surprise and they are now backtracking a bit.

Edited February 4, 2022 by Picture It. Sicily

[JeanJean]

15 hours ago, Hana Chan said:

The writers have clearly failed in the most basic rule of good storytelling. Show, don't tell. Telling us that Miranda was always miserable in her relationship with Steve didn't fly with the majority of the viewers didn't stick because the we saw in the show that their relationship was real and deep and genuine. If they wanted us to buy that things have changed significantly, they needed to show it in order for it to be believable. Because we didn't and just went by Miranda's totally out of character behavior, it didn't work. 

And when you need to trot out CN and SR (and the show runners) repeatedly in the press to justify this radical shift in a character's storyline and poo pooing that the audience is rejecting it because we just never understood Miranda as a character, it's again a failure on their part. It's not the audience's fault that they didn't believe or like what we were seeing. And with good storytelling, you can get your audience to go along with pretty much anything. They took the sloppy, lazy way out and then have their surprised faces on that it wasn't well received, When you read fanfiction written by a fourteen year old that shows more thought and consideration that we saw here, it's not the audience who has the problem.

It's as if they said, "Hey, audience, you're stupid!" Not a good thing to say to your fans.

Why watch the new show if years down the line they'll just say, "No. Again. You guys are stupid."

It's kind of like TV gaslighting. Not a good look.

All that said, I'll probably watch the next series if there is one. But my life is boring, so it's not so much a compliment to them. 

And I'll always be pissed at Miranda, unless they deal with all the crap she pulled on her family. (And apologizes to Carrie for the small comfort Carrie was able to find.)

A similar thing happened with the Will & Grace reboot. I was only able  to try to watch an episode or two of that, because they trashed the first series, which was wonderful and groundbreaking - not just for having gay characters, but because of the intelligence of the wit. It also had one of the best, most satisfying series finales ever and they crapped on that. It's an insult to the audience who loved the original, at least that's how I felt.

Edited February 5, 2022 by JeanJean

[bluegirl147]

1 minute ago, JeanJean said:

It's as if they said, "Hey, audience, you're stupid!" Not a good thing to say to your fans.

Well it was either tell us we are stupid or admit they are stupid.

[NeenerNeener]

After watching the documentary I was curious about the Valentino gown Carrie wore in Paris. While googling it I stumbled on an article that mentioned the jewelry that she was wearing in her first "SATC podcast" so I clicked on the link for one of her necklaces. The cost of a piece of jewelry that she wore in a five minute scene, that could only really be appreciated in stills, made my eyes water:

https://www.modaoperandi.com/women/p/marlo-laz/spiked-heart-14k-yellow-gold-diamond-coin-necklace/530349?AID=14321425&PID=7799179&SID=ISHerestheStoryBehindCarrieBradshawsBigPoufyParisGownintheemAJLTemFinalessutton4FasArt4585313202202I&cjevent=169ae13d869011ec8064ca480a82b839&utm_medium=affiliate&medium=affiliate&source=Meredith Corporation&utm_source=Meredith Corporation

ETA: I guess the pink gloves she wore with the gown were not rubber after all. And the gown is described elsewhere as pink but that's a pigment of their imagination. That sucker was pale orange.

Edited February 5, 2022 by NeenerNeener

[Ms Blue Jay]

2 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

After watching the documentary I was curious about the Valentino gown Carrie wore in Paris. While googling it I stumbled on an article that mentioned the jewelry that she was wearing in her first "SATC podcast" so I clicked on the link for one of her necklaces. The cost of a piece of jewelry that she wore in a five minute scene, that could only really be appreciated in stills, made my eyes water:

Good golly!

[GiveMeSpace]

3 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

a pigment of their imagination.

LOL! Genius.

[luna1122]

3 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

After watching the documentary I was curious about the Valentino gown Carrie wore in Paris. While googling it I stumbled on an article that mentioned the jewelry that she was wearing in her first "SATC podcast" so I clicked on the link for one of her necklaces. The cost of a piece of jewelry that she wore in a five minute scene, that could only really be appreciated in stills, made my eyes water:

https://www.modaoperandi.com/women/p/marlo-laz/spiked-heart-14k-yellow-gold-diamond-coin-necklace/530349?AID=14321425&PID=7799179&SID=ISHerestheStoryBehindCarrieBradshawsBigPoufyParisGownintheemAJLTemFinalessutton4FasArt4585313202202I&cjevent=169ae13d869011ec8064ca480a82b839&utm_medium=affiliate&medium=affiliate&source=Meredith Corporation&utm_source=Meredith Corporation

 

I love jewelry and sparkle but clearly have no clue when it comes to 'real' jewelry cuz there is no way I'd ever know this necklace was so ridiculously valuable . And it doesn't even appeal to me, I probably wouldn't ever have given it a second glance. 

Good thing I'm poor anyway, I guess

[Scarlett45]

On 2/4/2022 at 12:38 PM, luna1122 said:

Hmm. I hate SR's 'do and am not fond of Che as a character, but I do think they are objectively pretty physically attractive. CN's wife may be the best person on the planet but...I can't express this without being unkind, but I don’t think she looks at all like SR

I agree. SR quite attractive. CN’s wife has none of the sexy swagger, or good looks SR/Che has. 

[bluegirl147]

39 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I agree. SR quite attractive. CN’s wife has none of the sexy swagger, or good looks SR/Che has. 

Well maybe Cynthia Nixon wishes she does. She wouldn't be the first actor to live out a fantasy onscreen.  

I've been told on some sites even before AJLT her wife was mercilessly dragged for her looks. Maybe Cynthia thought Miranda having an attractive partner would cut down on the criticism.  

We have all seen celebs who have spouses who don't fit what some people think as attractive.   That has to hurt.

[Rebecca berkowit]

6 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Well maybe Cynthia Nixon wishes she does. She wouldn't be the first actor to live out a fantasy onscreen.  

I've been told on some sites even before AJLT her wife was mercilessly dragged for her looks. Maybe Cynthia thought Miranda having an attractive partner would cut down on the criticism.  

We have all seen celebs who have spouses who don't fit what some people think as attractive.   That has to hurt.

Cynthia Nixon’s wife doesn’t look anything like Sara Ramirez.  She does bear a passing resemblance to a less attractive Cynthia Nixon (just my opinion, maybe it’s the red hair).

Prediction:  Cynthia Nixon comes out as non-binary in 5…4…3…2

[luna1122]

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

I agree. SR quite attractive. CN’s wife has none of the sexy swagger, or good looks SR/Che has. 

TBH, Che's swagger is unattractive to me, as it would be in a guy. The arrogant swagger comes off like fuckboy machismo, like dude bro energy, somebody who brags about bagging pussy and pounding beer (in this case, smoking so much weed they can't remember shit) and it's gross to me. 

However, SR doesn't seem that way in real life, and is clearly intelligent and talented, so that's attractive, despite the hair. (When SR wore it styled in Mohawk for the series premiere, I did think that was cool.)

I do think CN has a crush on SR. Not implying anything else, I'd get crushes on hot costars too, but maybe the shrill, silly way CN has been playing Miranda is her actual real life response to SR.

I thought this was funny. An IG post from  everyoutfitonsatc, with the caption "It's Che Diaz's world, we just live in it." There are lots of responses like Hard Pass, etc, and then this simple one from Zoe Kravitz. Baha. 

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by luna1122

[Rebecca berkowit]

Quote:  I do think CN has a crush on SR. Not implying anything else, I'd get crushes on hit costars too, but maybe the shrill, silly way CN has been playing Miranda is her actual real life response to SR.

 

This is brilliant!

 

 

 

[Scarlett45]

8 minutes ago, luna1122 said:

I do think CN has a crush on SR. Not implying anything else, I'd get crushes on hot costars too, but maybe the shrill, silly way CN has been playing Miranda is her actual real life response to SR.

That IS brilliant! @Rebecca berkowit and I are in agreement. 

[bluegirl147]

58 minutes ago, luna1122 said:

 

I do think CN has a crush on SR. Not implying anything else, I'd get crushes on hot costars too, but maybe the shrill, silly way CN has been playing Miranda is her actual real life response to SR.

 

 

Honestly that would explain a lot.  Cynthia Nixon's acting has just been IMO not as good as it used to be.  She had Miranda acting like a lovesick school girl.  Not a 50something yr. old woman who had plenty of experience dealing with romantic feelings.   I mean seriously. There was not a director who could have you know, directed her.  Oh wait a minute didn't Cynthia direct at least one episode?

[Rebecca berkowit]

7 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Honestly that would explain a lot.  Cynthia Nixon's acting has just been IMO not as good as it used to be.  She had Miranda acting like a lovesick school girl.  Not a 50something yr. old woman who had plenty of experience dealing with romantic feelings.   I mean seriously. There was not a director who could have you know, directed her.  Oh wait a minute didn't Cynthia direct at least one episode?

Yeah, she directed the one where she was having all the sexual fantasies!

[NeenerNeener]

When I made that comment I didn't remember exactly what CN's wife looked like, I guess. I thought I remembered her/they/whatever having dark hair but she/they/whatever doesn't. She/they/whatever does have a masculine appearance that reminds me of how SR plays Che though.

I don't know what pronouns this person uses.

Edited February 5, 2022 by NeenerNeener

[T Summer]

On 2/4/2022 at 9:36 AM, NeenerNeener said:

ETA: I may be 100% wrong, but I think CN wanted SR as Miranda's affair because she looks like CN's current wife.

CN did want Sara Ramirez on the show and she manuvered changing out Che for Naya in her story line, but I don't think SR looks anything like CN's wife???

Edited February 6, 2022 by T Summer
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[T Summer]

4 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

When I made that comment I didn't remember exactly what CN's wife looked like, I guess. I thought I remembered her/they/whatever having dark hair but she/they/whatever doesn't. She/they/whatever does have a masculine appearance that reminds me of how SR plays Che though.

I don't know what pronouns this person uses.

Oh sorry, didn't see this post when before put up the photo Wasn't trying to be heavy handed with it.😚

[Ms Blue Jay]

Watching the documentary now.

I hAD NO IDEA THAT PETER WAS PLAYED BY JON TENNEY.

And I watched all 7 seasons of The Closer.  All in a row.  (I binged them.)

LOL!  I feel dumb.

Oh boy, here comes the part where Cynthia explains that she told MPK she didn't want to do his story and that they were going to do the story she wanted to do instead.  

🙄🙄

Oh my god I loooooooooooooove Carrie and Big's apartment.  The custom book shelves and records shelves!!!!  

You will all love the fashion porn and the nostalgia for the original series.  Those parts are great.  Also the tributes to Willie Garson.

SJP says that a rule of the writers room is that nothing in the show could appear if it didn't happen to "someone in the room".  Well Cynthia is not a writer........

Edited February 7, 2022 by Ms Blue Jay