S04.E14: ...Unto the Breach

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As the team gathers to mourn the loss of someone dear, Max and Helen realize the extent to which New Amsterdam has changed since they left. Bloom struggles with a big decision. Reynolds decides to take his concerns for his patients to a new level.

Original air date: Jan 24 2022

[NYGirl]

Wow....what a twist.  I never expected Floyd to be the one.  I knew this would be the straw that broke the camel's back with Max.  Let's see what he can do.

I loved seeing Karen and Casey at the funeral.  I feel even better that the actor that played Vijay is still alive.

I can't wait for Veronica to get her comeuppance

[preeya]

14 minutes ago, NYGirl said:

I can't wait for Veronica to get her comeuppance

  Sopranos country is right across the river.  Max needs to hire a hit-man.

[Cloud9Shopper]

I really hope Karen, Casey, and Agnes get their positions back.

I’m so over Lauren and Leyla. I used to ship them and I do still like Leyla, but hopefully they will stay broken up and we all know Lauren isn’t resigning/leaving anyway. And how did Leyla just walk right back into her residency? Is that a thing that happens in real life? 

Floyd is really on a roll this season with his failed poly relationship and now going Team Veronica. I really thought it was going to be the holistic doctor lady who ratted it out based on how much she seems to be in kahoots with Veronica. Honestly can’t believe she works in a real hospital.

The montage of Kapoor at the beginning nearly made me think the actor had died with the black and white pictures and sad music. (Yes I am aware he’s alive.) 

I hope they make Wilder a permanent part of the show. And I’m looking forward to seeing Max and Veronica at each other’s throats. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by Cloud9Shopper

[cathmed]

I'm on the brink of no longer watching and I really hate that.  I loved this show but it's getting ridiculous.  Tonight's episode had a couple surprises but overall a bit lackluster.    

Seriously, Reynolds?  Unsure what he's up to but I don't believe he's that ruthless or heartless.  I realize quoting Invictus is his ritual prior to surgery but there's more to this story and who knows what's forthcoming.  Maybe Max and Floyd had a discussion (off screen, naturally) and this is yet another ploy to rid them of Veronica?  I mean they already destroyed his character with Lyn but there is definitely something else going on here.   And BTW, have we seen the last of Lyn, Claude & Floyd?  That was a rather odd send off!

Not a huge surprise with Helen convincing Max to stay.  I think most of us saw that coming.  But they (Sharpwin) knew Veronica would dismantle  every program that had been implemented by Sharpwin so it was obvious--after they returned to see all the  "drastic" changes--that Max would stay.  And weren't they supposed to be getting into this type of "trouble" before they left for London?

So next week, Max is finally showing some backbone and fortitude (has he gotten his mojo back?).  Again, Sharpwin said they had 5-6 weeks to get into trouble before departing for London but it never came to fruition.  So now, bad-ass Max is back and we'll have to wait several weeks until after the Olympics to discover just what truly happens.  Hopefully there will be a time jump or something.

 

 

 

[LittleIggy]

I’m glad the holistic doc wasn’t the narc. I like her. 
If the nine year old’s parents insurance is being billed, who cares how many hours Iggy wastes on him. Ridiculous that any attorney let alone two would take his case. 
The memorial service made me verklempt.

[Artsda]

Wouldn't Vijay have had a Hindu funeral? 

Max doesn't have a job there anymore, he's stay to fight the war how? 

[Frisky Wig]

*sigh* I’m 5 minutes into the show and I’m already annoyed. This kind of ‘multi-episode goodbye with funeral and eulogies’ storyline is better suited for a regular show member who HASN’T been gone for 2 seasons.

Now Dr Kapoor’s son is in the ER? Of COURSE he is! 

[Frisky Wig]

Yeah, so Iggy just called his other patients to reschedule because he had to spend all day dealing with an 8-year-old who wants to be emancipated? Are the kids lawyers working pro-bono because otherwise his parents would have to be paying for his emancipation lawyer and I can’t see that happening. Maybe the kid has a lot of allowance saved up? 🙄 He’s at an age where kids still have baby-sitters but he thinks he’ll be able to get his own apartment and have mom and dad stop by everyday with meals, child support payments and clean laundry? Wtf? And TWO lawyers have taken this on? What??

[Madding crowd]

I can’t imagine that Iggy would be playing video games for hours with this kid, is it really worth canceling five patients? Iggy is not good as a department lead. No judge is going to grant emancipation for an eight year old and then require his parents to still do everything for him ( financial support is different). 
 I’m ready for Max to do whatever because this current storyline of everyone unhappy and very little patient stories isn’t working. And don’t get me started on secret morgue surgeries. How do they account for the supplies used? What if blood is needed or something goes wrong? Do they not think they would be sued for doing a surgery in a morgue rather than a sterile operating room? 

[HerkyJerky]

What did Casey say in Spanish at the memorial service?

[HerkyJerky]

10 hours ago, cathmed said:

quoting Invictus is his ritual prior to surgery

For those (like me) who don't know:

'Invictus' is a poem which focuses on the human spirit and its ability to overcome adversity. It is a rallying cry for those who find themselves in dark and trying situations, who have to dig deep and fight for their lives

[Driad]

9 hours ago, Artsda said:

Max doesn't have a job there anymore, he's stay to fight the war how? 

Maybe he has been taking writing classes, and plans to fix the scripts.

[preeya]

Max is no longer an employee or under contract at N.A. He has no say in policy and should he interfere in the operations he can and should be escorted off the premises with possible legal repercussions.

So what exactly does Helen expect him to do by exiling him to a task he can not accomplish?

 

 

Edited January 26, 2022 by preeya

[ajsnaves]

2 hours ago, preeya said:

Max is no longer an employee or under contract at N.A. He has no say in policy and should he interfere in the operations he can and should be escorted off the premises with possible legal repercussions.

So what exactly does Helen expect him to do by exiling him to a task he can not accomplish?

 

 

Maybe he has privileges as Chief Emeritus?  That is the only thing I can think of.  He might also have friends on the board who do not like where things are going.  Hell, maybe he can get himself a seat on the board.

I forgot how much I missed Vijay.  I wish they could find a similar experienced voice of reason like him.   

[LittleIggy]

16 hours ago, Artsda said:

Wouldn't Vijay have had a Hindu funeral? 

That was a memorial service at the hospital not a funeral.

[KaveDweller]

17 hours ago, Frisky Wig said:

Yeah, so Iggy just called his other patients to reschedule because he had to spend all day dealing with an 8-year-old who wants to be emancipated? Are the kids lawyers working pro-bono because otherwise his parents would have to be paying for his emancipation lawyer and I can’t see that happening. Maybe the kid has a lot of allowance saved up? 🙄 He’s at an age where kids still have baby-sitters but he thinks he’ll be able to get his own apartment and have mom and dad stop by everyday with meals, child support payments and clean laundry? Wtf? And TWO lawyers have taken this on? What??

Of course that's what Iggy did, because Iggy is a terrible doctor. 

I can see cancelling on other patients if you are dealing with someone in crisis, where they may actually hurt themselves if you stop talking to them. And while this kid certainly had some issues, he was perfectly safe. Iggy could have ended the session and asked him to come back tomorrow. The kid would probably have agreed easily if he thought it would help with his emancipation plan.

6 hours ago, ajsnaves said:

Maybe he has privileges as Chief Emeritus?  That is the only thing I can think of.  He might also have friends on the board who do not like where things are going.  Hell, maybe he can get himself a seat on the board.

I forgot how much I missed Vijay.  I wish they could find a similar experienced voice of reason like him.   

It is so stupid to tell Max to stay. He can maybe hang around and annoy Veronica? 

But him and Helen expecting to be able to have any say about jobs they left was ridiculous. Especially since they knew Veronica was planning to change everything after they left.

[catrice2]

I can only surmise from the above that Floyd told Veronica about "the resistance?"  He has always been a horrible character, so I hope this is the beginning of the end for him...for real this time.

Hmm, what could bring Helen back and somewhat salvage the season for some fans.....maybe a pregnancy? 

Sounds like the farewell for Kapoor was spoiled by something with his son. 

More Iggy and Bloom nonsense, but Bloom's nurse was back? 

Like above, I'd love to know how Max can do anything at the hospital as a FORMER employee. 

[bros402]

Okay everyone, it's time for..

WORST DOCTOR EVER

oh right, those bastards killed Kapoor, what the hell

they could've come up with so many other reasons to bring max & sharpe back to new amsterdam other than killing off a good character

HEY IT'S THE AWESOME ER NURSE, BRING HIM BACK

WAS THAT IGGY'S ASSISTANT? BRING HER BACK TOO

AND NEURO DOC? BRING HER BACK

why are they showing us so many characters they got rid of that we need back

also why didn't he have a hindu service - or at least something incorporating hindu elements

ok, so shooting from the hip after the title screen: Wilder will be the worst doctor because the writers haven't had a chance to mess her up yet

max how are you sitting on the back of the chair like that without making it flip? is some poor PA lying on the floor holding it?

is sitting on that chair like that even comfortable

wait was that a service held in the hospital? where do they have a place that large in the hospital with that kind of configuration? It isn't where the board meets or any of those decrepit old floors that were being renovated

of course the chaplain has medical issue, do you think he is going to have something that they describe as a miracle happen

wait so they gave this guy 6 mg of ativan with no response? googling, looks like the standard dosing for status epilepticus is 4 mg at 2 mg a minute, then if no response after 5-10, another 4 mg at 2 a minute. I know that status epilepticus sometimes can be rather difficult to stop - I had one as a kid and they just had to let it run its course

um, phenobarbital is a seizure med, I doubt she is just going to use it to induce a coma

what the hell is that triage, a man literally came in unconcious, and you want a credit application filled out

also holy crap why is oncology so white, it's like an apple store

um how would getting rid of a lounge for a surgical suite make sense, it's oncology, not surgery

ok i love Dr. Wilder but she cannot welcome every single person she recognizes into the resistance, it is sort of hilarious though

why does oncology look like an apple store and psych look exactly the same as it always has

also why the hell are there lockers WITH LOCKS on them outside of Iggy's office? Those locks could be used as weapons

8 year old that wants to be emancipated? uhhhh yeah that's never gonna happen, kid. oh god Iggy is going to support this isn't he?

kid, you can't be emancipated if your parents are going to buy your food and do your laundry - you need to prove you can be independent

hi bloom's girlfriend, you're still the voice of reason in that (now defunct) relationship

hmm, spotify, pandora... is Reynolds phone not working and he wants to listen to music during surgery?

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh reynolds if you aren't remembering what pateint you are working on you need to take a break and tag someone else in, you probably just removed someone's kidney when all they needed was a tummy tuck - since every surgeon on this show can do everything.

wait wait

IS THERE ANOTHER SURGERY HAPPENING IN THE BACKGROUND? WHAT THE HELL THAT IS NOT SANITARY

also I was like "wtf what is cabbage surgery?" so I googlged it! It isn't performing surgery on a vegetable, it's actually a coronary artery bypass graft that requires a hospital stay of a week or more!

yeah max why would bloom tell you about issues in the ER when you are now in England

bloom

no

don't take vijay's son's drugs

even if they look like black good and plenty

holy crap boy genius patient is annoying

ahh, everyone yelling at Max just trying to put himself back into things - it's what he deserves

uh oh, did bloom know the right drug because she took one of his pills, or do the writers want us to think that and it'll turn out she recognized the good & plenty

um, wilder?

how would you move the location of a clinical trial like that

also, to go back: wouldn't Fuentes want to keep clincal trials to get the hospital prestige? also, they tend to be to funded through federal grants. Even if it isn't funded, sometimes the drug companies help fund the trial - I am in a trial right now and the company provides the drugs free of charge - and very very difficult to move, or even allow another branch of the same facility to participate in

max just barges into the morgue yelling about whatever the hell

oh look it's Dr. Whackadoodle asking for a whole FLOOR?

and I bet she's going to narc on the resistance

iggy why do you have a PS1 in your office and how does that entertain the modern day child - it was great when I was a kid, but phone apps have better graphics now!

iggy recognized the child needed play therapy? it's a miracle

oh good bloom didn't take any good and plenties

bloom if the hospital is triggering you then you are gonna have to leave medicine (or at least emergency medicine) to get away from stimulants

this episode feels like a "we made a failed spinoff with Sharpe and Max and here is how we bring them back into the show by re-establishing their relationships with the main cast" episode, but IT ALL HAPPENED IN THIS SHOW IN THIS SEASON

um reynodls that is the second time you asked what patient you are operating on, is this a new plot?

also I really really really doubt Fuentes would want you to prioritize this major surgery over another major surgery that would probably get more $ from Kapoor's Kid

uhoh reynolds revealed the resistance to the OR nurses

so this is how fuentes will fracture the resistance, because holy crap reynolds needs his medical license to get at least suspended

hey look it's fuentes, what a shock

ok, i am shocked that Max brought the chaplain to baptist instead of whipping up a miracle

iggy you are biased with Kapoor's kid, you should have someone else talk to him

iggy I do not think you are going to instantly cure the guy with a speech about his father

uh oh, silence in the room with fuentes, is she going to reprimand them but not fire them because it'd be bad PR for the hospital? Why is iggy there? Is it a meeting of the department heads or is she going to fire all of them

ok so she's keeping wilder for the money

ahd fuentes obviously knows nothing about psychology, because play therapy is a legitimate thing

and I doubt she can just remove him as chair like that

ok so that is two department heads she has gotten rid of - psychology and ER. ER seems like a bad one to just fire like that

and now she is creating a hostile work environment by shit talking everyone in front of the other department heads (also, whackadoodle didn't narc? I am surprised!)

annnd of course it was Reynolds

"send a list of the surgeries you would like restored" what, the department needs to do surgery on people it needs to do surgery on

good going reynolds, you got a friend fired and a friend demoted

ahh, now it's breathe again by joy oladokun, good song, but it just makes me think of Randall in the lake from this is us

uh oh, sharpe walking to the taxi? I'm guessing she's gonna tell max she wants to stay to help out

AND I NAILED IT, HA!

how can max fight anything as the former medical director

sharpe this isn't your legacy, the place in London is

so max is going to stay and sharpe goes back? yeah she'll be back by the end of the season

uh oh, inspirational guitar strumming

what the hell is max going to be able to do, he is not a doctor there, he has no privileges or position. i hope he gets dragged off the grounds for trespassing 

 

Okay, so who is the worst doctor? Honestly, this episode was pretty light on medicine.

So, in terms of TOP 10 BETRAYALS: Reynolds - because the medical director wasn't letting him do urgent surgeries that patients needed! He should've just reported that to the board.

In terms of "oh god you're going to kill that patient" I would have to go for Wilder, because she was about to cut that man open in the morgue. That morgue looked clean, but the same level of clean that it has looked all season.

Wilder is still an awesome character and I remember how great she was on Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist (she had one of the best musical numbers on the show in terms of feeling/impact, imo)

(oh my god the writers made me care about the show a little bit again!)

So, overall, in terms of just medicine, it'd have to go to Wilder, for what she almost did.

Although she could share it with Floyd "wait who am I operating on?" Reynolds

[circumvent]

19 hours ago, preeya said:

Max is no longer an employee or under contract at N.A. He has no say in policy and should he interfere in the operations he can and should be escorted off the premises with possible legal repercussions.

Yeah , but this is New Amsterdam, which is a fantasy. NA is a public hospital. For major changes like that, it would require time for public comments, then evaluation, then discussions, then maybe changes. What happened to the prison ward? How many cases of malpractice happened with all the rushed surgeries? This alone would get the board to fire Veronica. There would be protests and lines of unhappy sick and dying people because they don't have another place to go. But the show has a board of 10, for a place that sees millions so, again, fantasy. 

The whole thing is tanking faster than I would expect. The show is based on a book and I wonder what the author thinks of what was done. They took a very real scenario and turned it into something that has no classification known.

And of course the casting department decided that the kid had to - obviously - be asian because stereotypes.

Did I miss anything with Leyla being reinstated? She is a resident, doesn't she have to go through a whole process to be accepted? And Lauren could not hire the people who were fired but she could hire the girlfriend? Oh, I forgot: Fantasy.

I hate all these people now, for different reasons. The show needs to be cancelled because even hate watching is getting difficult. I have so many stories that would fit a medical show and still stay close to reality, the writers decide to make our system seem even worse.

[jabRI]

I missed (and can't bring myself to watch again) but why did the emancipation kid need to go to iggy for his court case? and what was the reason he wants to be emancipated?  Story line is stupid, as a minor he would still need a guardian, you aren't going to have an 8 year old renting an apartment and living alone.

 

[circumvent]

3 hours ago, jabRI said:

I missed (and can't bring myself to watch again) but why did the emancipation kid need to go to iggy for his court case? and what was the reason he wants to be emancipated?  Story line is stupid, as a minor he would still need a guardian, you aren't going to have an 8 year old renting an apartment and living alone.

 

Why he needs to see Iggy is probably because the writers need to keep showing how bad a therapist Iggy is. I assume the lawyers want a psych eval to prove the kid is mature enough to be emancipated 🙄

He wanted to be emancipated because he felt oppressed by the parents who are (stereotypically Asian) demanding. Basically the kid wants to be a kid and they had to make him a little genius that is insufferable to interact with the worst therapist, also insufferable. 

It makes no sense at all

[jabRI]

38 minutes ago, circumvent said:

3 hours ago, jabRI said:

I missed (and can't bring myself to watch again) but why did the emancipation kid need to go to iggy for his court case? and what was the reason he wants to be emancipated?  Story line is stupid, as a minor he would still need a guardian, you aren't going to have an 8 year old renting an apartment and living alone.

 

Why he needs to see Iggy is probably because the writers need to keep showing how bad a therapist Iggy is. I assume the lawyers want a psych eval to prove the kid is mature enough to be emancipated 🙄

He wanted to be emancipated because he felt oppressed by the parents who are (stereotypically Asian) demanding. Basically the kid wants to be a kid and they had to make him a little genius that is insufferable to interact with the worst therapist, also insufferable. 

It makes no sense at all

Thanks, that was my guess.   Makes no sense.  And as long as he's a playing client, why should he be demoted by the wicked witch.  Makes as much sense as Bloom being fired, even though she was always good to hit up for a donation.

 

But yeah, like a lot of you are saying, these decisions cannot be so arbitrary. this is a public hospital, can't believe the board/public is ok with getting rid of labs to set up an acupuncture clinic.

[circumvent]

One more thing: Veronica can say she doesn't accept a resignation, but that's besides the point. The doctor can just walk away and face whatever consequences, and Fuentes accepting or not is just her feelings and ego. It is pretty silly of Wilder to trust that by staying Veronica will never rat her to the AMA. Same for Lauren. If she didn't turn a letter of resignation, all Veronica can do is to fire her. It is not a resignation.

Those people are so incompetent, their patients are not in good hands if their medical skills are similar to their common sense. They all deserve to be fired if you think about it. They risked infection and all kinds of problems for people who trusted them. The morgue is for the dead. What they did is 100% wrong, not cute or resistance in any shape of form. Real resistance requires planning and strategies, not just reaction as they go. 

[jabRI]

46 minutes ago, circumvent said:

They risked infection and all kinds of problems for people who trusted them. The morgue is for the dead.

I couldn't help but wonder, while they were doing this surgery, did no one die? Did the bodies line up in the hallway? it's not like there is never any normal activity in a morgue.

[circumvent]

2 hours ago, jabRI said:

it's not like there is never any normal activity in a morgue.

Good catch. I guess The Resistance worked in one way then.

One more discrepancy: Veronica said that the morgue surgeries made money for the hospital. How? It was clandestine. How can they bill for the OR time if there was no OR involved.

 

[jabRI]

55 minutes ago, circumvent said:

Veronica said that the morgue surgeries made money for the hospital.

I thought she was referring to Wilder's oncology surgies, but this whole story line is so unbelievable I guess anything is possible.

[LittleIggy]

3 hours ago, jabRI said:

I couldn't help but wonder, while they were doing this surgery, did no one die? Did the bodies line up in the hallway? it's not like there is never any normal activity in a morgue.

Well, if the patient did die, they could just shove the patient onto a slab and close the door. Very efficient! 😆

[jabRI]

I think Floyd should have gone to his fellow doctors with an ultimatem.  Say, in good conscience I can't let you operate in the morgue (who needs to say that out loud?) I think it would be more in keeping for him to do that,  Fuentes was obviously going to rat him out to the group.  But they write ridiculous plot holes for the 'drama'

[christie]

So, Vijay was born before the separation of Pakistan from India? The Partition was in 1947; that would make Vijay at least 74 years old; wouldn't he have retired? I, too, was surprised that the memorial had no Hindu elements.

 

On 1/26/2022 at 3:16 PM, Madding crowd said:

 And don’t get me started on secret morgue surgeries. How do they account for the supplies used? What if blood is needed or something goes wrong? Do they not think they would be sued for doing a surgery in a morgue rather than a sterile operating room? 

Also, where do the patients recuperate? If they're being placed in wards, how do they explain the influx of newly operated upon patients who need care?

[KaveDweller]

3 hours ago, christie said:

So, Vijay was born before the separation of Pakistan from India? The Partition was in 1947; that would make Vijay at least 74 years old; wouldn't he have retired? I, too, was surprised that the memorial had no Hindu elements.

Well, he hasn't been working for several seasons. And some people keep working into their early 70s. He really had no reason to want to retire before what's-her-name had his son's baby. He seemed kind of lonely and to have enjoyed his work.

The memorial was arranged by the hospital, right? So maybe no one involved knew any Hindu traditions to include. It looked pretty non-denominational to me. Maybe there was another actual funeral for family? Did he have family besides the son?

[bros402]

11 hours ago, circumvent said:

One more thing: Veronica can say she doesn't accept a resignation, but that's besides the point. The doctor can just walk away and face whatever consequences, and Fuentes accepting or not is just her feelings and ego. It is pretty silly of Wilder to trust that by staying Veronica will never rat her to the AMA. Same for Lauren. If she didn't turn a letter of resignation, all Veronica can do is to fire her. It is not a resignation.

Those people are so incompetent, their patients are not in good hands if their medical skills are similar to their common sense. They all deserve to be fired if you think about it. They risked infection and all kinds of problems for people who trusted them. The morgue is for the dead. What they did is 100% wrong, not cute or resistance in any shape of form. Real resistance requires planning and strategies, not just reaction as they go. 

Fuentes likes to blackmail people - see: how she tried to get more money out of Bloom.

[babyrambo]

My only thought during the memorial was that I wanted Casey, Gladys and Agnes to clock in afterwards. 
 

Last season was just Max coming up with the most illogical ’fixes’ for issues and non issues alike and this season, it’s like they’re making up for that(admittedly grating)can-do spirit by squashing all attempts of progress through the most moustache twirling villain they could think up.
 

FLOYD: The revolution has always been irresponsible and somewhat forced IMO so I don’t mind Veronica squashing it but I do like Wilder and want more for her than germy surgeries in the morgue. Floyd, Judas that he may be, was right about them endangering patients. And him being the mole didn’t surprise me at all because he’s been very self involved this season. Everyone has been off, but the writers have positioned all the non Max leads as frustratingly stupid when it comes to fighting back, unfortunately. They all lead huge departments yet there isn’t a single self-starter in the bunch. Add that to the the weirdly leisurely pacing(14 episodes in and things are more or less the same as episode 3, when Veronica showed up) it’s like they almost want her to stick around. I didn’t think they’d take Veronica=Bad, Max=Good quite so literally.

M/H: He’s back but given his current unemployment status, it’s not like Max can really do anything—all it takes is one call to security for Veronica to have him barred from hospital grounds—but I’m interested to see what fake job they’ll  scrounge up so he can shake things up for Veronica and be appropriately underfoot. 

I’m all for him causing chaos because London is a bore and I’ve been waiting for the end of that storyline since the moment it was announced. What should’ve been an exploration of Helen became How Can I Help, Alley Edition. And I’m bored of it. I don’t know what it’ll take to get Helen back to New York, but my money’s on an oops baby or her mother dying and Helen wanting to leave London and all its figurative and literal ghosts in the past. 

BLOOM: is really at the end of her rope isn’t she? They’re teasing a relapse and I just hope they do a better job depicting her recovery journey this time around. There made some really odd choices before.  
 

Iggy: they don’t even pretend he matters anymore. They should just bring back Gladys because he desperately needs someone to bounce off of. Preferably someone who doesn’t blatantly want to sleep with him. 

[preeya]

7 hours ago, babyrambo said:

but I’m interested to see what fake job they’ll  scrounge up so he can shake things up for Veronica and be appropriately underfoot. 

You know this {↑} is inevitable, BUT however means that get him back to N.A. will entail him butting heads with Fuentes, and that will be tedious once again.

[jabRI]

6 hours ago, preeya said:

but I’m interested to see what fake job they’ll  scrounge up so he can shake things up for Veronica and be appropriately underfoot. 

The only thing that comes to mind is Karen pulls her ex-influence and gets him on the Board.

[LittleIggy]

17 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

Well, he hasn't been working for several seasons. And some people keep working into their early 70s. He really had no reason to want to retire before what's-her-name had his son's baby. He seemed kind of lonely and to have enjoyed his work.

The memorial was arranged by the hospital, right? So maybe no one involved knew any Hindu traditions to include. It looked pretty non-denominational to me. Maybe there was another actual funeral for family? Did he have family besides the son?

Right. The memorial service shown was arranged by and for his hospital colleagues. I’m sure there was a Hindu funeral at the temple he attended.

[Johnny Dollar]

I can’t say that I disagree with Veronica’s decision to fire Bloom, a known substance abuser and payer of bribes, and demote Iggy, an incompetent and unstable doctor. They are both lawsuits waiting to happen.

Floyd ratted out the Resistance because he was concerned that patients weren’t getting the proper treatments. That’s why Veronica asked him what kind of surgeries he wanted to go back to doing. Of course there would’ve been other ways for him to effect change, like threatening to go to the board to notify them that the medical director of the largest public hospital in the city is sacrificing patient care for the almighty dollar. That would not play very well in the media either. But that solution is much too logical and boring for this show.

 

Edited January 29, 2022 by Johnny Dollar

[bros402]

22 hours ago, babyrambo said:

My only thought during the memorial was that I wanted Casey, Gladys and Agnes to clock in afterwards. 
 

Last season was just Max coming up with the most illogical ’fixes’ for issues and non issues alike and this season, it’s like they’re making up for that(admittedly grating)can-do spirit by squashing all attempts of progress through the most moustache twirling villain they could think up.
 

FLOYD: The revolution has always been irresponsible and somewhat forced IMO so I don’t mind Veronica squashing it but I do like Wilder and want more for her than germy surgeries in the morgue. Floyd, Judas that he may be, was right about them endangering patients. And him being the mole didn’t surprise me at all because he’s been very self involved this season. Everyone has been off, but the writers have positioned all the non Max leads as frustratingly stupid when it comes to fighting back, unfortunately. They all lead huge departments yet there isn’t a single self-starter in the bunch. Add that to the the weirdly leisurely pacing(14 episodes in and things are more or less the same as episode 3, when Veronica showed up) it’s like they almost want her to stick around. I didn’t think they’d take Veronica=Bad, Max=Good quite so literally.

M/H: He’s back but given his current unemployment status, it’s not like Max can really do anything—all it takes is one call to security for Veronica to have him barred from hospital grounds—but I’m interested to see what fake job they’ll  scrounge up so he can shake things up for Veronica and be appropriately underfoot. 

I’m all for him causing chaos because London is a bore and I’ve been waiting for the end of that storyline since the moment it was announced. What should’ve been an exploration of Helen became How Can I Help, Alley Edition. And I’m bored of it. I don’t know what it’ll take to get Helen back to New York, but my money’s on an oops baby or her mother dying and Helen wanting to leave London and all its figurative and literal ghosts in the past. 

BLOOM: is really at the end of her rope isn’t she? They’re teasing a relapse and I just hope they do a better job depicting her recovery journey this time around. There made some really odd choices before.  
 

Iggy: they don’t even pretend he matters anymore. They should just bring back Gladys because he desperately needs someone to bounce off of. Preferably someone who doesn’t blatantly want to sleep with him. 

Yeah, the pacing of this season is just weird

[LexieLily]

During Iggy's bedside speech to Rohan about living his life now in a way his father would be proud of and all that jazz, I'm surprised Iggy of all people didn't bring it up how Rohan abandoned pregnant Ella and his kid. Not that I want to see any of them again, it was just another storyline that ended floating out there and went nowhere.

Did the writers forget the conversation between Iggy/Kapoor when Kapoor was in the ICU; Vijay enlisting Iggy's promise to take care of Ella and his (as-yet-unborn) grandchild if anything happened to him?

Edited January 30, 2022 by LexieLily

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22 hours ago, LexieLily said:

During Iggy's bedside speech to Rohan about living his life now in a way his father would be proud of and all that jazz, I'm surprised Iggy of all people didn't bring it up how Rohan abandoned pregnant Ella and his kid. Not that I want to see any of them again, it was just another storyline that ended floating out there and went nowhere.

Did the writers forget the conversation between Iggy/Kapoor when Kapoor was in the ICU; Vijay enlisting Iggy's promise to take care of Ella and his (as-yet-unborn) grandchild if anything happened to him?

I am guessing that Iggy decided not to kick the drug addict while he was down. Maybe that is how Iggy is taking care of Ella and the grandkid.

I have to imagine that that plotline was dropped due to COVID... but then they would've at least mentioned it off screen!

[mojito]

On 1/25/2022 at 10:21 PM, Cloud9Shopper said:

And I’m looking forward to seeing Max and Veronica at each other’s throats. 

And then Max and Karen.

On 1/25/2022 at 10:35 PM, cathmed said:

Maybe Max and Floyd had a discussion (off screen, naturally) and this is yet another ploy to rid them of Veronica? 

From your lips to...

On 1/26/2022 at 8:34 AM, HerkyJerky said:

What did Casey say in Spanish at the memorial service?

"May you rest with the angels"... I didn't catch the last couple of words.

On 1/28/2022 at 3:19 PM, jabRI said:

The only thing that comes to mind is Karen pulls her ex-influence and gets him on the Board.

We can only hope. I'm sure her maid duties on "The Gilded Age" don't keep her that busy.

On 1/27/2022 at 2:48 PM, circumvent said:

One more discrepancy: Veronica said that the morgue surgeries made money for the hospital. How? It was clandestine.

Well, I'm not in accounting at NA, but they could find ways to charge insurance and funnel the money somewhere in a hospital money bucket. If not, news of the free surgeries at NA would really blow their cover and there would be a noticeable depletion of supplies.

Edited February 2, 2022 by mojito

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On 1/27/2022 at 6:27 PM, jabRI said:

I think Floyd should have gone to his fellow doctors with an ultimatem.  Say, in good conscience I can't let you operate in the morgue (who needs to say that out loud?) I think it would be more in keeping for him to do that,  Fuentes was obviously going to rat him out to the group.  But they write ridiculous plot holes for the 'drama'

I think Floyd was using his snitch position to get leverage with Veronica to reinstate surgeries he wanted to do. If he had just gone to his colleagues, that wouldn't have happened. So he basically traded the info for her giving him what he wanted.

I don't think the morgue surgeries were making money. I think it was the above ground cancer surgeries that were big money-makers.

I didn't really understand how the Baptist surgery was paid for. Max said that Baptist had a program for their medical staff to get their surgeries paid for? But the guy wasn't on their staff.

Who is paying the kid's lawyers and who is paying for his therapy? Maybe his parents are indulging him, knowing he won't win but realizing he needs help? How overbearing could they be if they dropped him off and let him go to the appointment alone and took his advice to go get coffee, rather than hovering and inserting themselves into the appointment as Iggy expected them to do? I hate helicopter parenting, but I don't think I'd let an 8 year old walk himself to his first appointment totally unsupervised in a big place like NAH.

Helen just finished telling Max she didn't think for sure he was her family and now she's telling him to stay in the USA and not come home with her to England. "You could never lose me" seems less and less like a reliable statement coming from her.

I had hoped that the staff would learn how to save themselves and NAH in Max's absence, instead of doing the admittedly incredibly dangerous morgue surgeries and otherwise folding to Veronica's machinations. Notably, Veronica's changes to the ER don't seem to be saving money, if what Bloom said about it is true. Maybe that will sway the Board against her once someone is smart enough to point it out.

However, IRL, I've seen it actually be the case that very few people know how to actually orchestrate any effective resistance, and thus leadership is needed. We don't teach people how to do this, and so very few people have a good instinct for how, or the fortitude to even try. Not that Max's manic efforts are actually all that realistic, either, but in-show they've set it up that he is able to pull things off, and I guess TV doesn't really want to teach the masses how to orchestrate genuinely effective revolutionary action, so we have to make due with symbolic heroics and manic drama.

Bloom is acting like she's triggered about drugs, but the real thing she's triggered about it Layla. I wish she'd considered geting therapy rather than leaving. Leaving won't solve her problem because her problem is internal.

Veronica thinks she's blackmailing Wilder et al to stay, by threatening their licenses. But now they know she's willing to look the other way on these things. Someone could just as easily turn whistleblower on Veronica now.