The View: Week of 11/1/2021

[Haleth]

Ana, mass shootings happen anywhere. Any small town can suffer a shooting.

SCOTUS has to decide if states can create laws to get around Fed law or not. They can’t have it both ways.

I got my booster yesterday! 😃

Edited November 4, 2021 by Haleth

[Bronzedog]

11 minutes ago, Haleth said:

Ana, mass shootings happen anywhere. Any small town can suffer a shooting.

SCOTUS has to decide if states can create laws to get around Fed law or not. They can’t have it both ways.

I got my booster yesterday! 😃

Congrats on your booster!  I got mine a week ago and the good news is that, at least with mine, there were zero side effects.

Not loving the new combative Sunny.

[Haleth]

I didn’t have any side effects either, Bronze.

Yeah, Sunny was going after Ana today.

I’m glad Dr Dyson shut down Sara’s justification of parental discomfort.

Whoopi is too busy feeding her face to participate in the show. She’s not even listening. 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Haleth

[Bronzedog]

Oh, YAY!  Let’s talk about cooking!  Said Bronzedog never. 

[TheGreenKnight]

Good show, and I enjoyed seeing Padma again. She was a contributor when Michelle, Raven, and Candace were on the show and, while I came to like Michelle over time, I didn't think any of those three were a good fit and was rooting for more co-hosts of substance like Padma and Ana. I'm glad Ana at least managed to stay with the show over the years.

Sara's question about CTR to the guest was such an uncomfortable moment. What she was asking them to do was treat something false as being real. If a person has any decency at all, they're not going to sell out like that, whatever the consequences for the truth end up being. I'm not surprised there's always been a bit of coldness between her and Sunny over the years taking into consideration the past couple of days. People can often sense who their allies are and who they aren't.

[ForumLou]

21 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

Good show, and I enjoyed seeing Padma again. She was a contributor when Michelle, Raven, and Candace were on the show and, while I came to like Michelle over time, I didn't think any of those three were a good fit and was rooting for more co-hosts of substance like Padma and Ana. I'm glad Ana at least managed to stay with the show over the years.

Sara's question about CTR to the guest was such an uncomfortable moment. What she was asking them to do was treat something false as being real. If a person has any decency at all, they're not going to sell out like that, whatever the consequences for the truth end up being. I'm not surprised there's always been a bit of coldness between her and Sunny over the years taking into consideration the past couple of days. People can often sense who their allies are and who they aren't.

I didn't realize Ana had been there for so long.  And i loved her story about taking care of the newbie.  She can be tough when need be, and then turn around and lick ones wounds. She probably has a deal w. TPTB that if and when (or not at all) she decides to join the table full time the chair is hers. However if she wants to stay part time, they'll keep interviewing. I can't see them going this long w.o her job at the very least, get an offer.  I can see her as a New Yawker.  She's the quintessential NY'er. Fit right in. Take the job Ana!

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

Oh, YAY!  Let’s talk about cooking!  Said Bronzedog never. 

hah!  Yeah i know.  I don't really dig'em either.  And what sux is i bet we only get more and more for the holidays.

1 hour ago, Haleth said:

Ana, mass shootings happen anywhere. Any small town can suffer a shooting.

SCOTUS has to decide if states can create laws to get around Fed law or not. They can’t have it both ways.

I got my booster yesterday! 😃

Woohoo Haleth!  Got mine Friday, no effects either!  Which makes sense since its a smaller dose than the original

[KittyQ]

39 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

Sara's question about CTR to the guest was such an uncomfortable moment

Lately it seems as though TPTB have said that someone has to bring up CRT at least one time per show. 

[After7Only]

I really enjoyed Ana and Sunny's exchanges today on gun control.   Anna acknowledged Sunny's argument and then provided a different perspective without stating or implying Sunny's perspective was wrong.   Sunny while still fired up, heard Ana and acknowledged her perspective.   At the end of the discussion it was obvious she and Sunny were still friendly.   This is what the show should aim for in finding a new host.

Also loved Eric Michael Dyson asking the question how then do you want race taught in schools?   Sarah's response was silent just like most others arguing against faux CRT.

[Pearson80]

I have missed you awesome ladies since I have been too busy to post but I tuned into the show the other day and I had to turn it off.

 Who was that loud abrasive woman at the end of the table.  She was a piece of work, I just can't with foolishness these days.. 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Pearson80

[ifionlyknew]

With regards to the 2nd Amendment discussion.  When that amendment was written there weren't too many arms you could conceal or even carry easily.  The founding fathers were not thinking about 9 mm revolvers being in someone's pocket.

[TheGreenKnight]

On 11/3/2021 at 11:17 AM, KittyQ said:

At one point today Sunny said that 55% of white women in Virginia said they voted Republican because they didn't want CRT in the schools.

The percentage she mentioned was actually 57% for CRT and they were taken from exit polls, they said. Sunny was right that it was almost double the 33% that the guest co-host yesterday brought up for being the economy number.

[Back Atcha]

Couldn't pay much attention to yesterday's (Wednesday's) MICHELLE SHOW!  She was so loud, so distracting--such a pushy know-it-all.  Hoped (heh heh) to read something positive here about her.

  So far ...

Edited November 5, 2021 by Back Atcha

[Back Atcha]

9 hours ago, MsTree said:

On 11/3/2021 at 8:28 AM, Tammy12 said:

Well we have 100% arrived at my least favorite guest host. Can't wait for tomorrow when she's gone.

What's this "we" stuff?

Ummm...I'm one of the "we."

[KittyQ]

22 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

The percentage she mentioned was actually 57% for CRT and they were taken from exit polls, they said. Sunny was right that it was almost double the 33% that the guest co-host yesterday brought up for being the economy number.

I think she first said 55% and then said 57% but probably she misspoke the first time. One problem comparing percentages is that you have to take into consideration percentage of what number of people. 57% of only white women polled may not represent more people than 33% of everyone polled. I think that news reports love percentages because they always seem more impressive than raw numbers in most cases. There are exceptions, though. At least initially, COVID reports tended to emphasize numbers rather than percentages. 

[Haleth]

Polls without some context are meaningless. 

[RealHousewife]

6 hours ago, ifionlyknew said:

A lot of what she said was tone deaf and even though she seemed to be hearing what Whoopi and Sunny were saying I don't think she was listening to what they were saying.

And she was very dismissive of what Sunny was saying about Colin K.  I watched the Netflix show and what Sunny was saying was true.  All Colin ever wanted to be was a QB in the NFL.  Michelle said he has money, he  has a Nike deal, he has a Netflix deal.  As if all that makes up for the fact he has effectively been blackballed from doing the one thing he wants to do simply because he took a knee to bring attention to something pretty fucking important. 

I agree with this all the way! 

For me even if she's tone deaf, she didn't have MM's nasty tone all around. 

[Medicine Crow]

2 hours ago, Pearson80 said:

I have missed you awesome ladies since I have been too busy to post but I tuned into the show the other day and I had to turn it off.

 Who was that loud abrasive woman at the end of the table.  She was a piece of work, I just can't with foolishness these days.. 

Ahem, not all ladies here ... some gents, too.

[oceanview]

16 hours ago, MsTree said:

I don't think so. She's not talking about her father, and she's not talking over the panel. She's nothing like Meghan except for (maybe) her politics. And isn't that the whole point of the show?!? You know, women with different opinions....

I saw her differently I guess.  Your "not talking over the panel"? Sorry,  I found her trying to insert herself all the time and very rude. I think she is overbearing and never sits in a chair there ever again.  

[Buckeye71034]

apparently Paula is going to be the guest tomorrow.

Abby Huntsman has confirmed she will be the flashback Friday guest on the 19th. Dunno who will be next weeks. 

[Back Atcha]

3 hours ago, oceanview said:

I saw her differently I guess.  Your "not talking over the panel"? Sorry,  I found her trying to insert herself all the time and very rude. I think she is overbearing and never sits in a chair there ever again.  

THIS deserves to be read again ... and special attention to the words: insert, rude, overbearing, and never again!

[MsTree]

4 hours ago, oceanview said:

I saw her differently I guess.  Your "not talking over the panel"? Sorry,  I found her trying to insert herself all the time and very rude. I think she is overbearing and never sits in a chair there ever again.  

Yes, she inserted herself, but she did NOT continue to talk OVER the panel (speaking simultaneously) until Whoopi says "enough".

With very strong personalities such as Joy & Whoopi (and now Sunny), if a guest host doesn't try to insert herself, she is looked upon as weak. Where's the debate/discussion in that??

Agree to disagree, because I thought she did very well and held her own. She didn't even back down when Sunny was trying to control the conversation her way.

[Axie]

Sunny has kind of adopted a “let me explain this to you poor stupid people” attitude. 

[HerkyJerky]

9 hours ago, Buckeye71034 said:

apparently Paula is going to be the guest tomorrow.

LOVE HER! I could never understand why Whoopi didn't like her.  Sure, she was religious but she was funny and had no problem talking about her sex life.  (What did she call it? "Prayer time", I believe...😏)

[Rightside]

 

Oh, I don't know if can tolerate Paula. Will see.

Edited November 5, 2021 by Rightside

[Haleth]

I’m not sure what anyone’s point was about independents. Unless they are strongly for one party of course they will say they are independents, registered or not, but they do end up voting for major party candidates. I do believe that is the majority of people in this country. And FTR here in IN we can vote in any primary we want, regardless of party affiliation or no affiliation. Sunny is being extra argumentative again today.

Sorry, Jed Paula, Aaron Rodgers is a lying liar who lies. He put his whole team in jeopardy (heh) because of his arrogance. 

Edited November 5, 2021 by Haleth

[Haleth]

Yes and yes. 

[KayVeeTeeVee]

39 minutes ago, Haleth said:

I’m not sure what anyone’s point was about independents. Unless they are strongly for one party of course they will say they are independents, registered or not, but they do end up voting for major party candidates. I do believe that is the majority of people in this country. And FTR here in IN we can vote in any primary we want, regardless of party affiliation or no affiliation. Sunny is being extra argumentative again today.

Sorry, Jed, Aaron Rodgers is a lying liar who lies. He put his whole team in jeopardy (heh) because of his arrogance. 

Paula, not Jed.

[Haleth]

1 minute ago, KayVeeTeeVee said:

Paula, not Jed.

Shoot, you are right. Duh. 

[TheGreenKnight]

I was expecting Meredith or Elisabeth judging by the shadow--so I was surprised to see Paula! I didn't even think of her. I always enjoyed her (an unpopular opinion, I know), it was nice to see her again.

I felt like there were so many things said by all the women in the first segment that I agreed with even if Sara and Joy were mostly where I am. I agreed with Sara that this is a centrist country, not necessarily a center-right one, and also thought Sunny was right that most independents generally vote one way despite calling themselves independent, they just don't like to own a label. Joy was on the mark with saying that that statement was a deflect by Manchin from the fact that a vast majority of his own state support both bills, and is (as she said) more indicative of the fact that he's getting money from various industries. But I agreed with Ana on the point that there is a huge difference between Manchin, who at least is open and seems to be trying to some degree, from Sinema. Her description of Sinema as a bait and switch of someone running as one thing while governing as another was a bull's-eye, imo.

[TheGreenKnight]

23 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

For me even if she's tone deaf, she didn't have MM's nasty tone all around. 

Oh, I disagree. Tafoya was definitely nasty, but it was more Elisabeth than MM level and was bearable for me because she didn't scream, the other ladies were able to respond to her spin, and nobody had to restrain what they could say to make her look good. I loved when Whoopi gave her her rudeness right back to her and how the audience cheered for both Sunny and Whoopi at different points in the Kaepernick discussion.

[ifionlyknew]

1 hour ago, TheGreenKnight said:

Joy was on the mark with saying that that statement was a deflect by Manchin from the fact that a vast majority of his own state support both bills, and is (as she said) more indicative of the fact that he's getting money from various industries.

I live in Manchin's state and people support the bills once you explain it to them.  However Manchin has never been one to give a shit about the people in his state. He cares about the people who donate to his campaign.

1 hour ago, TheGreenKnight said:

Her description of Sinema as a bait and switch of someone running as one thing while governing as another was a bull's-eye, imo.

It's true and I will shocked if she doesn't lose her primary next year.

54 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

Oh, I disagree. Tafoya was definitely nasty, but it was more Elisabeth than MM level and was bearable for me because she didn't scream, the other ladies were able to respond to her spin, and nobody had to restrain what they could say to make her look good. I loved when Whoopi gave her her rudeness right back to her and how the audience cheered for both Sunny and Whoopi at different points in the Kaepernick discussion.

She struck me as someone who doesn't mind not being liked.  Although I do think she was a little surprised the audience wasn't agreeing with her.   There was a smugness there I didn't like. She could handle a debate a lot better than Meghan but that doesn't mean what she was saying wasn't wrong.    All in all I thought she came across as a know it all. Especially about Colin K.  Sunny interviewed the man for fuck sake.  She had a much greater insight to him than Tafoya.  I think she looks at him as a football player and Sunny looks at him as a human being.  

[Squeaks]

I have not liked Paula since she stated that she preferred her son(s) over her daughter.  One of her statements so shocked Joy - she asked if Paula told her daughter that?  Paula said no but I’m sure the girl knows.

[Back Atcha]

56 minutes ago, ifionlyknew said:

She struck me as someone who doesn't mind not being liked.  Although I do think she was a little surprised the audience wasn't agreeing with her.   There was a smugness there I didn't like.

I think the smugness was the most annoying...but she IS overbearing.  I'd like to have seen her at the table when Meghan was there.   

[Back Atcha]

2 minutes ago, Squeaks said:

I have not liked Paula since she stated that she preferred her son(s) over her daughter.  One of her statements so shocked Joy - she asked if Paula told her daughter that?  Paula said no but I’m sure the girl knows.

When I was a kid...maybe six years old, I heard my mother tell a friend that my youngest sister was "a mistake."  Of course, I repeated it--eventually to that sister...for years. My mother probably meant a lapse in her rhythm method.  My sister learned to counter with, "God doesn't make mistakes!"

[Haleth]

1 hour ago, ifionlyknew said:

.  I think [Tafoya] looks at him as a football player and Sunny looks at him as a human being.  

Exactly. 

9 minutes ago, Back Atcha said:

I registered as an Independent (I wish they would give us a capital "I") the moment my state gave me the option. I vote for "major party candidates" only because I'm trying to elect those whose ideas are at least close to mine.  Voting for a candidate* who has NO CHANCE of winning (ever) wastes my vote.  No ONE PARTY ever gets all of my votes.  (Or did I misunderstand your comment?)

*Green Party, independent, Libertarian, Socialist, etc.

Nope. That’s just what I meant. Sunny was implying that Independents only vote for Independents, but that is not true. Independents probably lean one way or the other and vote accordingly, but not exclusively.  I don’t want to be pestered to give either party money!

[Back Atcha]

9 minutes ago, Haleth said:

I don’t want to be pestered to give either party money!

THAT's another important reason...and it worked for the first few years.  NOW they ALL bother us.  I've never seen so many huge postcards or had as many calls as in the past year or so.

[Back Atcha]

On 11/4/2021 at 10:17 AM, ForumLou said:

On 11/4/2021 at 8:08 AM, Haleth said:

I got my booster yesterday! 😃

Woohoo Haleth!  Got mine Friday, no effects either!  Which makes sense since its a smaller dose than the original

I got my booster on October 4 and have had headaches every day/all day since October 5.  I check Google/etc. about COVID booster and headache but don't get much satisfaction.

I was (coincidentally) in the hospital for five days and no one cared to ask WHERE my head aches.  They did a CT scan but said only "no bleeds, no aneurysms." They did give me sheets of "information" upon discharge regarding "Tension Headaches."  My headaches are NOT in the location of their diagrams.  Seeing a pain specialist (re the hospital visit) on 11/11.  Maybe he will have some ideas.  OY!

 

[KittyQ]

35 minutes ago, Back Atcha said:

I got my booster on October 4 and have had headaches every day/all day since October 5.  I check Google/etc. about COVID booster and headache but don't get much satisfaction.

I was (coincidentally) in the hospital for five days and no one cared to ask WHERE my head aches.  They did a CT scan but said only "no bleeds, no aneurysms." They did give me sheets of "information" upon discharge regarding "Tension Headaches."  My headaches are NOT in the location of their diagrams.  Seeing a pain specialist (re the hospital visit) on 11/11.  Maybe he will have some ideas.  OY!

 

Sorry to hear about your headaches! They can be very difficult to figure out sometimes. I used to get tension headaches all the time, and mine seemed to originate with my neck and shoulders, but I know other people have them based other places. Also, consider sinus problems - the headaches related to that (in my case) don't always show up just near the sinuses. Depending on your age and gender, there might be an estrogen factor as well with your headache. I had migraine type headaches every month for a number of years, and the doctors speculated that this was related to the monthly cycles. Who knows, though. Good luck with the pain specialist! 

[ForumLou]

1 hour ago, Back Atcha said:

I got my booster on October 4 and have had headaches every day/all day since October 5.  I check Google/etc. about COVID booster and headache but don't get much satisfaction.

I was (coincidentally) in the hospital for five days and no one cared to ask WHERE my head aches.  They did a CT scan but said only "no bleeds, no aneurysms." They did give me sheets of "information" upon discharge regarding "Tension Headaches."  My headaches are NOT in the location of their diagrams.  Seeing a pain specialist (re the hospital visit) on 11/11.  Maybe he will have some ideas.  OY!

 

Acupuncture may help.  I was skeptical with migraines, a myriad of issues.  I felt relief the first visit and now i try hard to only feel good and get a tuneup once in awile hah.  She is so good, knows all the diff things you can do.  Or try an exderine migraine. That helped too.  Seriously feel better.  I know how incapacitating in can make you.  Dim the lights, crawl in bed, ice a towel and put it in the back of your neck.

Edited November 5, 2021 by ForumLou
Moved to Small Talk

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, Squeaks said:

I have not liked Paula since she stated that she preferred her son(s) over her daughter.  One of her statements so shocked Joy - she asked if Paula told her daughter that?  Paula said no but I’m sure the girl knows.

Woah! I don't remember that, but I do remember her saying she liked doing her boys' laundry and whatnot but that her daughter could take care of her chores herself. I found that alone off-putting. She sounds like she has internalized misogyny. 

I did generally like Paula. She seemed nice and fun. But one of my pet peeves is when women say they prefer sons to daughters, male friends to female friends, etc. I have no problem talking about the different issues between raising sons vs daughters or pros and cons of both male and female friends, it's being all loving toward men and boys and preferring them to women and girls that I don't appreciate. 

[KittyQ]

3 hours ago, Haleth said:

Exactly. 

Nope. That’s just what I meant. Sunny was implying that Independents only vote for Independents, but that is not true. Independents probably lean one way or the other and vote accordingly, but not exclusively.  I don’t want to be pestered to give either party money!

It seems strange to believe that anyone registering as Independent would only vote for "Independent" party candidates. If everyone had to vote for whatever party they registered as, what would be the point of having elections other than for non-partisan issues? As an Independent voter, I vote for whichever candidates come closest to what I would like to see done. Although as someone else pointed out, now I get calls and mail from everyone when it gets close to election time. I don't know if registered voters from other parties get the same amount of stuff. 

[Blissfool]

On 11/3/2021 at 9:59 AM, ifionlyknew said:

 I think she (Sara) is a good person but there seem to be some topics she is incapable of seeing from a different perspective than her own.

I think this can be said about all the cohosts; especially Sunny.

 

On 11/3/2021 at 11:22 AM, Bronzedog said:

I think, given time, this host, whoever she was, might be worse than Megaphone.

Y'know how they say that women forget the pain of childbirth........?

[deirdra]

Sunny's argument that "Independents" didn't want the stink of a Republican label on them made no sense.  Did her father and the rest of the 49% Independents who voted Democrat not want the stink of Democrat on them? 49% vs 51% is a statistical tie in polling.  I suspect Sunny's father believes in the independence to vote his mind and makes a conscious choice each time rather than voting blindly for a D every time. Voters who think for themselves are what we need! Many independents are fiscally conservative but socially progressive, and may vote differently depending on the key issues and who is running in each federal, state, and municipal election. Many see voting for a third party candidate with no chance of winning as a wasted vote, so they vote strategically for who they think is the least worst person with a chance of winning.  Would Sunny vote against Abraham Lincoln if he were running today just because there's an R beside his name?

Edited November 6, 2021 by deirdra

[deirdra]

7 hours ago, KittyQ said:

I don't know if registered voters from other parties get the same amount of stuff. 

Some states, like Texas, don't even ask about party affiliations when you register. That is true in Canada too, and you can only vote in the primaries if you buy a party membership (~Cdn$10) and you can buy a membership in more than one. All parties can call everyone, not just party members, so around election time call display & call-blocking are essential! 

Edited November 6, 2021 by deirdra

[cinsays]

8 hours ago, deirdra said:

Would Sunny vote against Abraham Lincoln if he were running today just because there's an R beside his name?

Maybe Lincoln would not have an R beside his name if he were running today.

[TheGreenKnight]

23 hours ago, Haleth said:

Sunny was implying that Independents only vote for Independents, but that is not true.

That wasn't what she said from what I saw. She was saying that most of the people she's known who claim to be Independent usually vote exclusively one party downballot consistently every election rather than switching back and forth as the description "Independent" would imply, and that she thinks many only refer to themselves as Independent because they don't like to be labelled as one or the other for whatever reason.

Edited November 6, 2021 by TheGreenKnight

[KittyQ]

51 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

That wasn't what she said from what I saw. She was saying that most of the people she's known who claim to be Independent usually vote exclusively one party downballot consistently every election rather than switching back and forth as the description "Independent" would imply, and that she thinks many only refer to themselves as Independent because they don't like to be labelled as one or the other for whatever reason.

Maybe Sunny's sample for Independent voters is small (as is mine). My experience is that few people vote for one party exclusively for all candidates. When I first started voting, we had the standalone voting machines with the curtains and the switches next to each candidate. At the top of each column was a switch that would automatically select every candidate for that party. Very easy and took no time to complete voting. Based on my observation of how long people stayed in the booth, most voters at least took time to individually select who they were voting for. 

[ForumLou]

14 hours ago, Blissfool said:

I think this can be said about all the cohosts; especially Sunny.

 

Y'know how they say that women forget the pain of childbirth........?

Ok to respond to this one, BLISSFOOL, your handle is  quite aprappropriate haha.  Ok back to the puppy...

They do?  IDK.  I've never had kids though so can't give you one an answer from exp lol..  but i would like a puppy, all properly trained and set up with their crate.  Can anyone recommend any books so I can read for the first time puppy Mom.  TIA

Edited November 6, 2021 by ForumLou
speling counts. Clarifixation counts.

[ForumLou]

48 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Maybe Sunny's sample for Independent voters is small (as is mine). My experience is that few people vote for one party exclusively for all candidates. When I first started voting, we had the standalone voting machines with the curtains and the switches next to each candidate. At the top of each column was a switch that would automatically select every candidate for that party. Very easy and took no time to complete voting. Based on my observation of how long people stayed in the booth, most voters at least took time to individually select who they were voting for. 

 The smart people has these questions answer ready. They give you a pre-manual with the questions and you mark the ones.  Then you get to the booth with your questions and a cup O joe.  And please be serious.  Not only do we have to get right, to get this right one time

[Medicine Crow]

3 hours ago, ForumLou said:

Ok to respond to this one, BLISSFOOL, your handle is  quite aprappropriate haha.  Ok back to the puppy...

They do?  IDK.  I've never had kids though so can't give you one.  Just like i said nvr had kids...ok but i would like a puppy, all properly trained and set up with their crate.  Can anyone recommend any books so I can read for the first time puppy Mom.  TIA

Highly recommend!!  I have given the original & this version to at least four new puppy owners & they all swear by it.  Give it a try!!!  Good luck!!