S06.E21: Reunion Part 1

[copacabana]

Midnight Cheese -- Love the interactions post.  I feel the same. 

 

And, Lisin -- thank you for your wonderful essays on the show and let's ALL do what Ramona advises, myself included, and "Caaaaallllmmm dooowwwnn!"

 

Off to put a curler into my bangs open up that bottle of cheap summer wine. 

 

Wouldn't it be really great if Cohen and Bravo got down to throwing in some committed online posters to the Reunion Shows?  To ask questions and soak up the atmosphere.  And if those same got to wear their own clothing choices.  I would love that. 

[copacabana]

Trooper York -- am waiting for my son to get up after an all-nighter, in a good way,  to remind of why I know your mother was a hamster.  I know that -- I know I do.  Made me laugh. 

 

Woke him up for a sec -- Monty Python and the Holy Grail.  Funny -- thanks.  La vache!  or in this case les vaches!  Hee.

[LotusFlower]

Then Ramona can just say so.  "It's been a difficult time, but we are working on rebuilding our marriage.  We are trying to keep it low key because there have been problems with certain people seeking press from it, and for that reason I don't want to discuss that aspect of it.  But I will discuss that Mario and I have been working hard at rebuilding our relationship."

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I agree with your idea, but this is way too rational for Ramona. Since the infidelity leaks and Ramona filing for divorce happened after filming, I think Ramona honestly thought it wouldn't be discussed. And since she then dropped the petition and they've apparently reconciled, again, I think she's pushing the "everything's fine, thanks for asking" line. In the preview for the next reunion show, she kept using the word "allegations." So I think she thinks she can get away with saying that her husband is still Super Mario and her marriage is fine, thanks for asking. Anything else is just idle gossip. Plus, this gets her off the hook for apologizing for chastising the other women for their marriage woes. I hope I'm wrong, but this is Ramona we're talking about.

[jinjer]

Some people think the Kasey chick is a stalker and she doesn't want to give her attention.  I was thinking more along the lines of Ramona shutting down that line of questioning and talking more about the two of them reconciling being an open topic.

[LotusFlower]

Sure, but then that's acknowledging that there was a problem. Ramona's tactic is to deny, deny, deny. File for divorce? What file? Mistress? What mistress? Her strategy is to pretend it's nothing but gossip. Next question!

[Higgins]

She has addressed it. Maybe you missed her appearance on Bethenny's show.http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/ramona-singer-tells-bethenny-she-loves-mario-doesnt-know-where-marriage-is-headed-nothing-is-written-in-stone-2014103

[1keyskat]

Nene choked Kim. Sheree tried to pull off her wig. The men fought and Porsha attacked Kenya. Not everything is racial. I think it is a low blow to accuse someone of racism. There is no proof what she said had racial under tones and I'm frankly tired of people trying to twist other people's thoughts to fit an agenda. She never mentioned race.

Higgins - Thank you.  I was beginning to wonder if I had entered an alternate universe.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Gee, Idk, call me nuts & crazy, but telling some to STFU is not exactly a charming thing to do.  And while cursing in front of children is not horrible, I don't care for it.  Cursing in front of someone else's children is downright rude.  But that's Veevs.  Charmless & rude till the end -- which hopefully it is for her.

Edited August 2, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[LotusFlower]

She has addressed it. Maybe you missed her appearance on Bethenny's show.http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/ramona-singer-tells-bethenny-she-loves-mario-doesnt-know-where-marriage-is-headed-nothing-is-written-in-stone-2014103

But this was before she withdrew the divorce petition. Now that she took the cad back, I think she's pretending (publicly, at least) that none of this happened. Hence the word "allegations." Including whatever she said on Bethenny's show. It's stupid, but it's her strategy.

[Lisin]

And, Lisin -- thank you for your wonderful essays on the show and let's ALL do what Ramona advises, myself included, and "Caaaaallllmmm dooowwwnn!"

While I agree that everyone should "caallmm dooown" and maybe even (if prescribed by a doctor) TAKE A XANAX! But, if you're referring to these wonderful essays I cannot take the credit. Those are written by the wonderful Alex Zeidel who writes for PTV as well as Swanky Trash.

[copacabana]

My bad but thanks for making it clear.  And who knows if I wasn't just manipulating the whole scene subconsciously.  Stranger Housewife moments have occurred.  

 

Let us know what you need and want  in terms of online comportment as often the guidelines are fuzzy.  We can be hungry, starving, rabid beasts and we appreciate you and The Others. Friday nights must be trying too   xoxo

 

Thanks for everything. Forgot about the classic Xanax moment. 

[Lablover27]

Heads up......First Look tomorrow OC at 11:24 a.m. Followed by First Look NY and the premier of Real Housewives of Melbourne.

 

THANK YOU! 

 

I think Sonja just drinks too much and her brain is mush.  <Could be next season's tagline.

Edited August 2, 2014 by Lablover27

[zoeysmom]

Here is my take on the Ramona situation-technically the publication of Mario's alleged affair occurred after they has stopped shooting the show.  There is little doubt in my mind that some if not all of the other ladies and production had a whiff of the rumors as the other woman did her best to get them out there.  So production approaches one, some or all of the women and starts a dialogue about the rumors.  Then much like penguins going to feed, (the first one in is always voluntarily and sometimes ends up predator food) collectively or separately they are asked is (a) do they want to bring it up to Ramona or (b) if two or more of them want to have a filmed conversation about it and then have another Ramona intervention?.  Here is where it gets sticky-whoever does it risks being eaten alive publicly. 

 

I personally would never tell a friend, acquaintance, relative or co-worker about a  marital infidelity rumor.  One it is none of my business, two it has no effect on my life if she or he is cheating, three if I like the person I risk alienating both forever and four I would certainly never do it on camera for personal gain, fortune or just to hurt someone.  So even a filmed session with an intermediate like the "facialist" probably won't fly.  They had Kristen trotting about telling LuAnn and Carole about silly rumors about past lovers but I am guessing no one would consent or volunteer to having  an on film discussion about the Mario rumors.

 

So now come Reunion time with Ramona having discussed it publicly a time or two the ugly question comes up again.  She dodged the first bullet by saying something to the effect my family is fine.  Ramona, oblivious to the obvious, is going to try and turn the table on Andy-epic fail.  Then all of a sudden we have LuAnn jump in.  So now the rest of the Lu Ann couch, who two out of the four have said it is not okay to talk about someone's marriage will they comment or let it play out?  Will Andy ask them to comment?

 

We already know Luann feels that she scores a touchdown if she rubs Ramona's nose it . . . again.  She and Jill have talked about Mario cheating rumors in previous seasons.  Will someone be foolish enough to try and bring some faux sympathy and say they understand why Ramona was upset this year?  (Aviva, Kristen and Sonja likely candidates.)  Will some one take the super hero role and say-we should be supporting Ramona right now?  Or will someone be stupid enough to say -Ramona should have talked to us about it so we could offer her sympathy?  My guess is each and every one of them will say they heard the rumors during filming.

 

Their response or lack thereof will form next season's line up. 

[ryebread]

Her insistence that Aviva's experience undermined real writers who slaved for years trying to hone their craft was something that really bugged me about Carole during "book gate." In my opinion, that attitude in itself undermines those writers who are gifted enough to write a book-length manuscript in a very short period of time. 

 

Although I find Writer Girl, and all of them, really, likeable enough, there have been moments in which I have wanted to throw a plastic glass at each and every one of them, and the book story line had me aiming for Carole as well as Aviva. She was condescending and gave as good as she got, playing just as dirty with the insults and the diagnoses of different mental conditions.

Yes.  Maybe I've been a little hasty in the past by insisting that Carole instigated Bookgate.  However,  I do believe she threw the first 'punch' in asking about ghostwriters and then it just went downhill from there.  I never understood why it was okay for Carole to question Aviva about using a ghostwriter, but vice versa was verboten. 

 

She asked Aviva, Aviva asked back, Carole went crazy, Aviva followed suit in spades.

[LotusFlower]

Yes.  Maybe I've been a little hasty in the past by insisting that Carole instigated Bookgate.  However,  I do believe she threw the first 'punch' in asking about ghostwriters and then it just went downhill from there.  I never understood why it was okay for Carole to question Aviva about using a ghostwriter, but vice versa was verboten. 

 

She asked Aviva, Aviva asked back, Carole went crazy, Aviva followed suit in spades.

But that's not what happened. Carole didn't start "Book-gate" by asking Aviva if she was using a ghostwriter - Aviva had earlier asked Carole for ghostwriter suggestions (off-camera), and Carole was following up on that when we see them first discussing Aviva's book deal. Aviva doesn't deny this, either, as she candidly stated "it takes a village" to write a book.

[jinjer]

 

So now come Reunion time with Ramona having discussed it publicly a time or two the ugly question comes up again.  She dodged the first bullet by saying something to the effect my family is fine.  Ramona, oblivious to the obvious, is going to try and turn the table on Andy-epic fail.  Then all of a sudden we have LuAnn jump in.  So now the rest of the Lu Ann couch, who two out of the four have said it is not okay to talk about someone's marriage will they comment or let it play out?  Will Andy ask them to comment?

 

We already know Luann feels that she scores a touchdown if she rubs Ramona's nose it . . . again.  She and Jill have talked about Mario cheating rumors in previous seasons.  Will someone be foolish enough to try and bring some faux sympathy and say they understand why Ramona was upset this year?  (Aviva, Kristen and Sonja likely candidates.)  Will some one take the super hero role and say-we should be supporting Ramona right now?  Or will someone be stupid enough to say -Ramona should have talked to us about it so we could offer her sympathy?  My guess is each and every one of them will say they heard the rumors during filming.

 

Sonja will probably pipe in and say she wants to be a "girl's girl something that Lu-man would never understand and support Ramona during this difficult time."

Edited August 2, 2014 by jinjer

[Midnight Cheese]

zoeysmom, I totally loathe Ramona (I do it with glee!) so our points of view are very different.  But apart from that, I do think there's something like an objective distinction where there is zero hypocrisy with the other Hos offering commentary.  Heather willingly discussed and had conversations about the idea that she bosses Jonathan around.  The idea that LuAnn owes Ramona a courtesy that neither she nor her dick-swinging husband showed her - they reveled in her divorce, a lot, on camera - is frankly just nucking futs to me -- especially since Lu's kids were younger than Saint Avery during this mess.  Ramona's marital situation - I wouldn't call it alleged, either, since I have no doubt that bad-eyejobbed twatwaffle would file suit against her husband's (ex?  who knows) mistress were there nothing to this - is something she's decided is off-limits, but in truth, that would be new.  On EVERY reunion, off-camera stuff is asked about: Kelly's charge of assaulting her boyfriend from this franchise alone.  "I'm not talking about it, what about YOUR LIFE?" is never an acceptable response, and it doesn't make Andy or the other housewives the devil.  The nasty bitch signed up for a reality show.  The vapid twunt deliberately Tweeted a video link involving LuAnn's minor kid to her insane followers.  The stupid slore had her fucking vows renewed at year 17 and smugged and sneered on-camera at the relationships and marriages of her coworkers.  This season she insulted another Ho's husband on-air, crowing about her husband.  SHE is the hypocrite.  SHE commented many, many times - and now, there's a cordon sanitaire around the vicious she-beast?  Her Sonja-level faking of 'what are you talking about?' has to be respected?

 

Ha, probably jinjer!  And then if so, I will be a total hypocrite (but I admit it happily) and hope for LuAnn to calmly walk over to the couch of crazy and strangle Ramona and Sonja with each hand. 

[zoeysmom]

zoeysmom, I totally loathe Ramona (I do it with glee!) so our points of view are very different.  But apart from that, I do think there's something like an objective distinction where there is zero hypocrisy with the other Hos offering commentary.  Heather willingly discussed and had conversations about the idea that she bosses Jonathan around.  The idea that LuAnn owes Ramona a courtesy that neither she nor her dick-swinging husband showed her - they reveled in her divorce, a lot, on camera - is frankly just nucking futs to me -- especially since Lu's kids were younger than Saint Avery during this mess.  Ramona's marital situation - I wouldn't call it alleged, either, since I have no doubt that bad-eyejobbed twatwaffle would file suit against her husband's (ex?  who knows) mistress were there nothing to this - is something she's decided is off-limits, but in truth, that would be new.  On EVERY reunion, off-camera stuff is asked about: Kelly's charge of assaulting her boyfriend from this franchise alone.  "I'm not talking about it, what about YOUR LIFE?" is never an acceptable response, and it doesn't make Andy or the other housewives the devil.  The nasty bitch signed up for a reality show.  The vapid twunt deliberately Tweeted a video link involving LuAnn's minor kid to her insane followers.  The stupid slore had her fucking vows renewed at year 17 and smugged and sneered on-camera at the relationships and marriages of her coworkers.  This season she insulted another Ho's husband on-air, crowing about her husband.  SHE is the hypocrite.  SHE commented many, many times - and now, there's a cordon sanitaire around the vicious she-beast?  Her Sonja-level faking of 'what are you talking about?' has to be respected?

 

Ha, probably jinjer!  And then if so, I will be a total hypocrite (but I admit it happily) and hope for LuAnn to calmly walk over to the couch of crazy and strangle Ramona and Sonja with each hand. 

Again I  have a long list of Ramona antics that annoy me.  I didn't even see her purpose until Season 3 but I always found Mario amusing-especially the tennis stuff and talking to Jill.  We get to choose what behaviors are acceptable in ourselves.  If I was any of those women I would say it is unfortunate to have that your situation played out in the press and I hope you and Mario can work it out.  Instead if you choose to pile on dredge up issues from four and five years ago it speaks to your character not Ramona's and by default she wins.  This is a different situation Mario is accused of having the affair not Ramona.   

 

LuAnn's daughter cooked her own goose when she chose to use racially charged terms and smoke dope and put it on the internet.  When Victoria had both her wrists in casts-LuAnn put it out there she did it sneaking out of the house. So LuAnn has been guilty of passing on things about her kids.  I think she also outed the boy for flunking a class.   I actually like LuAnn's kids and do feel for them because I think their parents were a bit selfish.  LuAnn fault is she can't let go and then wonders why someone like Sonja doesn't want to be a friend or LuAnn's terms is a better friend to Ramona than her.   

 

Of all people to quote I think Vicki summed it up best-you don't kick someone when they are down. No matter how bad the player you just can't lower yourself to delight in their misery.  In Vicki saying that to Heather and Tamra showed me she valued her character over vapid friendships on a TV show. 

 

I found this clip of LuAnn on Bethenny's show. http://www.eonline.com/news/483245/real-housewives-feuds-bethenny-frankel-clears-the-air-with-luann-de-lesseps-kim-richards-washes-hands-of-lisa-vanderpump LuAnn was accused and admitted to hiding her marital status for two seasons and then playing up her divorce when she was publicly dumped.  Bethenny cleared the decks with LuAnn and then a short time later LuAnn slammed Bethenny publicly by accepting an unflattering award on Bethenny's behalf (without her permission) and delivering a slam at Bethenny. LuAnn then talked smack about bethenny with Reza the guy from the Shahs.  So my impression is Luann is not only not a good friend but she can't move on.  I do think LuAnn adds to the show but I don't think she is someone who is very highly valued as a friend-more feared if she is crossed or disagreed with.

 

I have only noticed Ramona calling out infidelity in LuAnn's marriage and Luann screwing around with the pirate.  Calling Jonathan vanilla is really not very nice but neither is Ramona.   With the exception of LuAnn I doubt there is really anyone else who was comfortable with the infidelity conversation. . . but we shall see.

[Satchels of gold]

People keep throwing Peabodys out as if it guarantees Carole some sort of factual level of competence for all time.  It does not.  Has anyone gone through and seen what and who has won a Peabody?  I have.  I know.  My mother won one for her work with PBS. She and thirteen other people.  The show would most likely have won without my mother's input.  but she did provide it   Its nice.  It didn't make her perfect no matter how much I still love her.  It doesn't give Carole imo this teflon defense any time someone points out the fact that Carole currently sits in all her vapid glory on a trashy reality show.  For her second season. 

 

I have never understood why people think some kind of peer review is accorded this grand level of status.  I wonder how many who lap up Carole's cv give the same amount of laudatory excuses to Geraldo Rivera vis-a-vis his latest comments on women having youth as their main attribute for marriage?  You know a peabody award winner who also has had books optioned.

 

And it is funny that the book was optioned before it was really even written if you go by Carole's chronology on the show.  But then maybe that explains why I had two galleys from Henry Holt, The printed arc for the September release that never happened (the re vamped almost groveling promotional material was a good laugh -- funnier than anything int he book) and the egalley for the later eventual release.

 

Accomplishments might single people out in a category that makes them part of a "select" group.  It is not and never has been in my eyes a determination of one's character or the ability to not show your ass.  What's more I don't think Carole is better than I am or anyone else solely based on her cv.  And never will even if she hauls her flat wrinkled ass off the show and goes off and wins a Nobel Prize for Literature.  Sciences or the Peace Prize I might eat my words. 

 

Point is unless you are arguing the metric that Carole's accomplishments in your eyes make her totally flaw free, as a metric it simply does not work as some kind of argument that I shouldn't find Carole less than magnificent.  Movies get made out bad books all the time.  Blockbuster movies.  Heck really bad books make up some of the bestselling novels.  Some made into hugely successful novels.  Again ad populum is not really a metric with which to measure quality.  In a thing.  Let alone the person that created or helped create it. 

 

Carole had plenty of times to either walk away or rise above it.  Somewhat how I consider this Golden Aura'd Peabody Winner of an Optioned Book would do as heavenly choirs sing. She never did.  In fact several times she came away from her fights with Aviva looking like a damn fool.  A pathetic sad damn fool.  From Aviva.  From the woman I have come to believe wears a leg that is the incarnation of Eva Braun.  And fights like an idiot. 

 

And while I enjoy one person digging at another it does not and never on my part means I'm taking sides.  So I don't argue that Aviva is often wrong and a vicious fool in her attacks on Carole.  I do think Carole on the show, as Carole, Peabody winner and all that rosy goodness she is supposed to represent, is a famewhoring desperate fool who is way too invested in a show that her cv should allow.  Maybe it is some kind of mid life crises that has her on this show spreading the thighs of her life for a close up. 

 

You can admire Carole for all the hings you think she has accomplished.  But again they are not a metric that somehow trumps my own opinion on one famewhore of seven who all act like raving attention desperate addicts who are worth laughing at and nothing more.  In my opinion.

Since my claim to fame is being the winner of my fourth grade science fair, I will continue to be impressed with Emmy awards and a Peabody .

[LotusFlower]

Don't kick someone when they're down is not something Ramona has ever adhered to, and it's for this reason I hope her mess with Super Mario is discussed. To say the other HW's would be lowering themselves to her level is only part of what would happen. It could also teach her that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Maybe she could learn how hurtful her behavior has been, and idk, maybe not do it anymore.. That would be one huge positive to come out of her public humiliation.

[Trooper York]

I didn't know that Mr. Peabody gave out awards. Very impressive.

[zoeysmom]

Don't kick someone when they're down is not something Ramona has ever adhered to, and it's for this reason I hope her mess with Super Mario is discussed. To say the other HW's would be lowering themselves to her level is only part of what would happen. It could also teach her that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Maybe she could learn how hurtful her behavior has been, and idk, maybe not do it anymore.. That would be one huge positive to come out of her public humiliation.

I can't believe I am using another football metaphor but suppose you are a 49ers fan and there is a trash talking guy on a conference rival team.  In the final regular game of the season the trash talker has a possible career ending injury.  He is laying on the field in pain.  Do you see the 49ers or any other team in the league have its players jumping up and down and yelling karma?  Or do they bring up the fact the guy committed a personal foul and injured your QB and took him out for the second half of the game and the 49ers lost? ( I admit there a few fans that do).  No what you see is a group of men concerned (because the same fate might await them) and sending recovery wishes to the injured palyer.  Ramona's husband's infidelity was most likely a game ender for their marriage.  The publicity surrounding the infidelity was probably enough to keep Ramona from boasting about her marriage again (or not)-she didn't need her friends or even the other team piling on.  That was the point I was trying to make.  Both the RH and NFL are for the entertainment of the fans.  The NFL players just seem to be a little more humane.

[LotusFlower]

Ramona's husband's infidelity was most likely a game ender for their marriage.

No, it wasn't. She withdrew her divorce petition, and they're still together.

The publicity surrounding the infidelity was probably enough to keep Ramona from boasting about her marriage again (or not)-she didn't need her friends or even the other team piling on.

Piling on might teach her a lesson on how hurtful it is to kick someone when they're down. Some people only learn from personal experience.

[Higgins]

Who did she kick when they were down?

[Midnight Cheese]

Pointing out that someone was gleeful about someone's own bad marital situation and now is in her own sticky wicket ain't bad character.  I mean, damn.

 

I hope the Rockettes, the German national soccer team and several wild horses kick at Ramona.  I'll buy them ice cream, lager and hay respectively.

[Talented Tenth]

Nene choked Kim. Sheree tried to pull off her wig. The men fought and Porsha attacked Kenya. Not everything is racial. I think it is a low blow to accuse someone of racism. There is no proof what she said had racial under tones and I'm frankly tired of people trying to twist other people's thoughts to fit an agenda. She never mentioned race.

Whatever happened between NeNe and Kim was not on camera.  Sheree didn't try to pull off Kim's wig.  She did tug at it, but I don't consider that violence.  The men are irrelevant -- Aviva said a RHoA.  First you excluded Porsha, now you're putting her back in.  Even with Porsha's assault on Kenya, she is one woman who assaulted another.  Aviva generalized the whole cast and I'll reiterate (unless I missed something), Aviva did not specify why the the New York women would be shocked at seeing a RHoA.  I'm tired of people sweeping subtle racism and microaggressions under the rug.  Just because comments aren't blatantly racist doesn't mean there aren't undertones of racism.  I don't think anyone has an agenda.  If Aviva had been clear in her commentary there would be no room for interpretation.  No one has ever accused me of racism or discrimination because I don't carry myself in a way that leaves me open to be accused of those things.  Regardless of why Aviva mentioned the women of ATL, again, I can't think of anything Aviva was suggesting that would make the NY women react with shock and horror besides something dealing with the race of the women.  Your conjecture of knock down/drag outs has already been debunked.

[Aspenemptynest]

 

"Love it. Love the shoes, love the bag, love everything!"

Love the "My best friend's wedding" reference.

[JakeyJokes]

As I said before, seating at the reunion could mean nothing or it can be an excellent indicator -- of a lot.  Moaner & Kristen were sitting right next to Andy.  I think neither of them are going anywhere -- meaning they'll be back for another season.

 

 

Kristen wrote in her blog that Ramona privately told her it was a big deal to be seated next to Andy. I thought that was actually pretty cool of Ramona.

 

I don't think Bethenny would come back -- I think she would find that sort of thing beneath her. She doesn't NEED the money. I saw Kathy Griffin recently and she was previewing her routine that she later did on the Daytime Emmys, where she talked about being at the previous year's Daytime Emmys, in which Bethenny spent all night bitching about how bored she was and how she didn't even want to be there. I love her wit and candor, but I think her general attitude was summarized pretty well by that.

[LotusFlower]

I don't think there's even the slightest chance Bethenny would come back, either. I think she'd consider it a step backward. Besides, going back to wearing adult-sized clothes might cramp her style as well.

[beesknees]

I didn't know that Mr. Peabody gave out awards. Very impressive.

And Sherman.  Don't forget Sherman.

[1keyskat]

Whatever happened between NeNe and Kim was not on camera.  Sheree didn't try to pull off Kim's wig.  She did tug at it, but I don't consider that violence.  The men are irrelevant -- Aviva said a RHoA.  First you excluded Porsha, now you're putting her back in.  Even with Porsha's assault on Kenya, she is one woman who assaulted another.  Aviva generalized the whole cast and I'll reiterate (unless I missed something), Aviva did not specify why the the New York women would be shocked at seeing a RHoA.  I'm tired of people sweeping subtle racism and microaggressions under the rug.  Just because comments aren't blatantly racist doesn't mean there aren't undertones of racism.  I don't think anyone has an agenda.  If Aviva had been clear in her commentary there would be no room for interpretation.  No one has ever accused me of racism or discrimination because I don't carry myself in a way that leaves me open to be accused of those things.  Regardless of why Aviva mentioned the women of ATL, again, I can't think of anything Aviva was suggesting that would make the NY women react with shock and horror besides something dealing with the race of the women.  Your conjecture of knock down/drag outs has already been debunked.

You're beating up on the wrong person re Porsha's stunt.  That was me.

 

Aviva said RHOA because that is the name of the show -- including everyone in it.

 

Nene's assault on Kim was on camera. I read that it got worse -- and continued after filming  stopped.

 

I saw no subtle racism from Aviva.  She is nasty enough without that.

 

I haven't seen my conjecture of knockdown/dragout debunked. Apollo, for one, was brutal in his pounding assault.

 

After much thought, I do believe the camera lingered on that particular assault. When the two Joe's from NJ started punching--it was quickly cut off, as I recall. I don't have a dvr so I have to go by memory.

 

It is your perception that racism is involved, and that is apparently not going to change.  I really can't follow your line of thinking, so I'll let it go at that

(I don't know how to put in previous posts. I tried)

Edited August 3, 2014 by 1keyskat

[ryebread]

The publicity surrounding the infidelity was probably enough to keep Ramona from boasting about her marriage again (or not)-she didn't need her friends or even the other team piling on.  That was the point I was trying to make.

This is true.  Maybe she would and maybe she wouldn't. That's the problem. If Luann is trying to teach Ramona about humility via public humiliation, maybe it'll work - maybe it won't. After all, this is Ramona we're talking about. Frankly she wouldn't be worth how I'd feel about myself afterwards.  (Me, me, ME.  It's always about me.) The risk of Ramona not learning anything after I'd thrown my personal integrity in the toilet wouldn't be worth it to me.  SHE wouldn't be worth it to me.

[comatoast]

 

I don't think Bethenny would come back -- I think she would find that sort of thing beneath her. She doesn't NEED the money.

I don't think so, either. It was just a dream scenario to shake things up a bit with someone who is smart enough and successful enough to do that. Overall, I liked this season, but if they are not going to give us more house porn, more charity meetings/events, Fashion Week, shopping sprees, St. Bart's-like destinations, snooty parties and even more of their business hustle, then throw a monkey wrench in there and let us see some real drama. Feels like Kristin gave us the most this season, but I just found her scenes to be boring. Her storyline felt very Anytown, USA, to me. That is not why I watch RHONYC.

 

Back on topic: Anyone like LuAnn's look? I go back and forth on this one. I sort off like the wacky earring in the same color as the dress, showing on the side with the plunging neckline (because it feels very Luann to me), but then the color and material reminds me of a hooker I saw once.

Edited August 3, 2014 by comatoast

[SFoster21]

I had forgotten Reid had said that and find it almost impossible to imagine. In my mind he seems to have had any personality surgically removed at birth. He is such a nebbish! He gazes adoringly at his ghoul of a wife, but I get the feeling he is wildly pussy-whipped. (Can I say that here?) He'd be afraid to risk the humorless ghoul's venom being directed at him. I wonder what he thinks of his classy FIL. Nah, I know what he thinks, but he could never risk telling Veevie what a horror George is. She'd beat him over the head with her $30,000 leg.

A post on another site claimed that he had no cash; that she bought both him and Harry to be her husband.

[ryebread]

Back on topic: Anyone like LuAnn's look? I go back and forth on this one. I sort off like the wacky earring in the same color as the dress, showing on the side with the plunging neckline (because it feels very Luann to me), but then the color and material reminds me of a hooker I saw once.

I usually like the way Luann looks, sans the huge necklaces.  The reunion dress and jewels didn't do it for me, though.  And I thought the only one with worse hair than hers was Carole's.  Lu's hair is starting to resemble roadkill.  Menopause is a bitch.

[comatoast]

I usually like the way Luann looks, sans the huge necklaces.  The reunion dress and jewels didn't do it for me, though.  And I thought the only one with worse hair than hers was Carole's.  Lu's hair is starting to resemble roadkill.  Menopause is a bitch.

I think Luann's outfit might have looked nicer in a different color, like maybe an emerald green. Carole looked horrible. Hope she's gone back to being a brunette. And enough with the great ass talk, already. You have to look really hard to actually see it.  

[sasha206]

I think Luann's outfit might have looked nicer in a different color, like maybe an emerald green. Carole looked horrible. Hope she's gone back to being a brunette. And enough with the great ass talk, already. You have to look really hard to actually see it.  

 

Amen on the "ass" on Carole.  Maybe it's nicely shaped, but she's a sack of bones to me.

 

I have a love/hate thing with Carole.  The first couple of episodes of Carole on RHONY she was really bitchy to Aviva who was fawning over Carole's book.  Didn't she say something obnoxious like asking how her breasts look in that dress?  Then there was the super uncomfortable flirting with Mario, flirting with the guy in the store.  I wonder if *that* is the real Carole, not the carefully put together Carole we see now.

[zoeysmom]

I was reading Carole twitter, apparently she and LuAnn are BFFs hanging out in the Hamptons together-I thought Carole wasn't a Hampton's person?

 

I ran across this tweet to Carole:  "Aviva, HUGE diff btwn Carole telling u they weren't in a committed relationship @ the time & an open one."

 

Carole's response via Twitter: "Exactly.  Not worth explaining too stupid.  Either way Sonja not cool and ain't that the truth. :)"

 

What is the difference between not being in a committed relationship and an open relationship?  Don't both terms reference that you are able to see other people.   I guess I am too stupid to comprehend.

[sasha206]

I was reading Carole twitter, apparently she and LuAnn are BFFs hanging out in the Hamptons together-I thought Carole wasn't a Hampton's person?

 

I ran across this tweet to Carole:  "Aviva, HUGE diff btwn Carole telling u they weren't in a committed relationship @ the time & an open one."

 

Carole's response via Twitter: "Exactly.  Not worth explaining too stupid.  Either way Sonja not cool and ain't that the truth. :)"

 

What is the difference between not being in a committed relationship and an open relationship?  Don't both terms reference that you are able to see other people.   I guess I am too stupid to comprehend.

 

That's a very good question.  I think I'm too stupid as well.  I guess I kind of think of an open relationship more when someone is married but allows their spouse sexual escapades.  But those two weren't married.  Maybe the correct terminology is "non-exclusive" relationship?  I always thought an open relationship suggests you can fool around sexually but it isn't an emotional relationship with the person you are having sex with?  

[trimthatfat]

Upon rewatching the reunion this morning, I heard Ramona whisper to Sonja that Lu is jealous of Sonja because she's not on where Sonja is (i.e. a full cast member). I kind of had to laugh because full cast member or not, Lu is still sitting on the reunion couch which 'friends of HWs' never get to do. She was very much apart of this season and was quite entertaining.  I don't see anything Sonja has that Lu should be jealous of... Sonja has a million dollar judgment against her, a dilaptated home with no heat, and a bunch of business ventures that haven't panned out. I used to root for Sonja, but I don't believe she'll ever rid herself of the delusions.

 

As far as Carole having a 'great' ass, I had to squint to see it. Reminds me of all of the Pippa Middleton talk on Princess Kate's wedding day. I just don't see it.

[Talented Tenth]

You're beating up on the wrong person re Porsha's stunt.  That was me.

 

Aviva said RHOA because that is the name of the show -- including everyone in it.

 

Nene's assault on Kim was on camera. I read that it got worse -- and continued after filming  stopped.

 

I saw no subtle racism from Aviva.  She is nasty enough without that.

 

I haven't seen my conjecture of knockdown/dragout debunked. Apollo, for one, was brutal in his pounding assault.

 

After much thought, I do believe the camera lingered on that particular assault. When the two Joe's from NJ started punching--it was quickly cut off, as I recall. I don't have a dvr so I have to go by memory.

 

It is your perception that racism is involved, and that is apparently not going to change.  I really can't follow your line of thinking, so I'll let it go at that

(I don't know how to put in previous posts. I tried)

This will be my last post on the topic.  I disagree that every cast member is considered a Real Housewife of Atlanta.  On every franchise, the women are the ones in the opening credits...and they're women.  Men aren't referred to as wives in American culture.

 

You wrong/mistaken.  NeNe and Kim did not ever get physical on camera.  

 

I don't know if Aviva was trying to be racist or not, but highlighting ATL seems to stem from at least viewing physical behavior from black Americans as being worse than non-blacks.  The violent/aggressive acts from the women have been equal to or worse on other franchises.

 

Again, Apollo is not a Real Housewife.  Aviva said, "Those bitches reacted like they'd seen a Real Housewife of Atlanta."  She didn't say a husband of a real housewife, a cast member of the show, or Porsha (the only RHoA) who was seen on the show assaulting someone.

 

Your conjecture is debunked because, again, the only Housewife who was seen assaulting someone on the show is Porsha.  It's illogical for one incident to cause the women to be known for physically fighting.  Apollo's assault totals two incidents in 6 years.  Those two things aired on tv within a few weeks of each other.  As I stated before, there were physical incidents that happened on other franchises, so again, it's suspect as to why Aviva would choose ATL.  The New Jersey cast had a brawl in Punta Cana that didn't air which resulted in two men having injuries consisting of a broken leg, torn ligaments a broken arm and various cuts and bruises.  Teresa flipped a table and pushed Andy down at a reunion, Danielle's hair was pulled out by Jacqueline's daughter after Teresa chased her through a venue.  Both Joe's fought on camera with Melissa hitting/scratching Joe Guidice.  There was a brawl on camera at a Christening.  There are also mob ties.  Why not choose them if physical incidents is why she mentioned ATL?  Even on NY this year, Carole grabbed Aviva's face and Ramona bloodied Kristen's mouth after throwing drinks on her twice.

 

I didn't accuse Aviva of racism because I don't know why she mentioned ATL.  Unlike others, I won't pretend to know exactly why someone does something.  I cannot think of why she suggested the NY women would react to the ATL women in the same way they reacted to her leg toss besides something dealing with race which is why I stated her comments are suspect.  Suspect in this context means leaning towards being racially charged but inconclusive.  The theory about ATL being more violent or the most violent is false.  Until Aviva explains her comments, there are some people who are not going to absolve her of racially charged motivation whether conscious or subconscious.  Nobody but Aviva knows her intent, but she is too smart to overtly say something racist. 

[Higgins]

I cannot stand the bitch but, I'm pretty sure Aviva was referencing the Atlanta reunion.

[ryebread]

I don't know if Aviva was trying to be racist or not, but highlighting ATL seems to stem from at least viewing physical behavior from black Americans as being worse than non-blacks.  The violent/aggressive acts from the women have been equal to or worse on other franchises.

 

 As I stated before, there were physical incidents that happened on other franchises, so again, it's suspect as to why Aviva would choose ATL.

My neighbor's favorite Housewife to poke at used to be Sheree.  She'd ask, "Who's gonna check me, Boo?" or "Don't make me go all Sheree on your ass." 

 

My neighbor is one of the people that count towards Atlanta's high ratings.  It's the only franchise she watches.  Perhaps Aviva's comments were not racially charged.  Could it be possible Atlanta is the only other franchise she watches therefore the violent/aggressive acts from the RHOATL are the only frame of reference she has?  My neighbor is aware of the aggression in NJ through me or through previews but doesn't follow the story.  Her being so immersed in Atlanta and knowing the characters and the storyline - including the husbands -, has probably cemented ATL as the most aggressive in her mind.

 

I'm not looking for an excuse for what Aviva said.  I don't know she's a racist and am willing to consider all reasons for what she said before painting her with such an ugly brush. 

[sasha206]

Aviva could very well be racist, but I'm another that doesn't think her reference to RHOA as being evidence of that.  Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the comment made *after* the infamous Portia/Kenya fight?  That franchise has the most recent episode of violence so why wouldn't she reference that RH series?

Edited August 3, 2014 by sasha206

[Eater of Worlds]

This is a great post.

Someone upthread asked what we wanted Ramona to say about the affair. And its not that I want her to say anything. It's that I wish she could finally see how she took great pleasure in others pain and thought nothing of it. And acknowledg what a real shit she was to other people. And that she understands how hurtful it was to put shit out there about others lives, just so she could feel above them.

Since, I know that won't happen, watching her squirm will work for me.

 

When LuAnn was upset with Sonja about the facialist in Montana, Ramona said that LuAnn was jealous of Sonja.  LuAnn said she wasn't, and Ramona replied (maybe under her breath, I can't remember) with something like "yeah you are" and this look of unfettered glee hit her face.  I was shocked at how happy she seemed when she thought she discovered that LuAnn was jealous of Sonja and maybe her relationship with Ramona.  I honestly can't remember, the childishness and meanness that Ramona was showing with that look of pleasure shocked me enough to make me forget the specifics of that conversation.

[zoeysmom]

When LuAnn was upset with Sonja about the facialist in Montana, Ramona said that LuAnn was jealous of Sonja.  LuAnn said she wasn't, and Ramona replied (maybe under her breath, I can't remember) with something like "yeah you are" and this look of unfettered glee hit her face.  I was shocked at how happy she seemed when she thought she discovered that LuAnn was jealous of Sonja and maybe her relationship with Ramona.  I honestly can't remember, the childishness and meanness that Ramona was showing with that look of pleasure shocked me enough to make me forget the specifics of that conversation.

LuAnn has priors in jealousy over girlfriend relationships.  When Ramona tried to set up the great Bethenny/Jill reconciliation LuAnn derailed it.  Bethenny observed that LuAnn was concerned about Bethenny and Jill reuniting as she wanted to be number 1 in Jill's life.  LuAnn does kind of give off this vibe she needs to be numero uno.  It doesn't work with this cast though, as no one cares about Avivia and Carole and Heather have established their friendship and last year Luann could not say enough about how poorly they treated her.  At this point LuAnn was pretty desperate to have a ride or die friend and she didn't have it in her "delusional, scattered, unrealistic" friend Sonja.  Gee I wonder why?  Never understood why LuAnn was so concerned about her Sonja friendship-free emergency babysitter perhaps?  I think Luann wants to give the illusion she is a desired friend by the women and she just is too duplicitous and egocentric to have a BFF-except maybe Jill.

[Higgins]

How about the time Luann tried to trick Ramona into saying bad things about her own wine? That was pretty shitty.

[Trooper York]

 

And Sherman.  Don't forget Sherman.

 

We know that Mr. Peabody never did give Sherman an award. He was not worthy of it like the great and powerful Radizwill.

 

However there is a persistent rumor that he did give him herpes. (Reportedly he also gave it to Truman Capote, Gore Vidal and Rin Tin Tin. He was a busy dude)

 

But let's not talk about that. I hate to gossip. (TM Lou-man).

 

Edited August 3, 2014 by Trooper York

[sasha206]

LuAnn has priors in jealousy over girlfriend relationships.  When Ramona tried to set up the great Bethenny/Jill reconciliation LuAnn derailed it.  Bethenny observed that LuAnn was concerned about Bethenny and Jill reuniting as she wanted to be number 1 in Jill's life.  LuAnn does kind of give off this vibe she needs to be numero uno.  It doesn't work with this cast though, as no one cares about Avivia and Carole and Heather have established their friendship and last year Luann could not say enough about how poorly they treated her.  At this point LuAnn was pretty desperate to have a ride or die friend and she didn't have it in her "delusional, scattered, unrealistic" friend Sonja.  Gee I wonder why?  Never understood why LuAnn was so concerned about her Sonja friendship-free emergency babysitter perhaps?  I think Luann wants to give the illusion she is a desired friend by the women and she just is too duplicitous and egocentric to have a BFF-except maybe Jill.

 

How funny that Ramona would suggest that LuAnn, an attractive woman who actually has her shit together and finances in order, who could easily attract another man without throwing herself at them and without sexual innuendo, would be jealous of a broken down gold digger who doesn't have hot water in her only pot to piss in.  Jealous of the Ramona's friendship with broken down gold digger?  Hard to believe that too.

Edited August 3, 2014 by sasha206

[Lisin]

Can you guys take the Part 2 talk to the First Looks topic please? I'll be moving some posts so if you're missing something it's probably there. Thanks!