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Absolom

Absolom

1 hour ago, Notabug said:

These days, the general recommendation is that twins be delivered somewhere between 2 and 3 weeks prior to their due date because of the high risk of complications including stillbirth associated with twin pregnancies.  Chances are, she will either be scheduled for an induction or a cesarean at that point.

Yes, I know that and have met quite a few women who disagree with it. So far all has gone well for them.  They have had close monitoring though.  The woman next door who has the twins who have done so well absolutely refused to deliver earler than natural labor. She's a respiratory therapist in a local NICU so she knew what she was trying to avoid.  I don't expect you to agree with her decision, but it worked out fine for them.

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emmawoodhouse
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Gives "He is risen" a whole new meaning. 😉

Zella
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On behalf of other hillbillies, I'd just like to say that I have some pretty serious white trash in the family, and none of them have ever taken a pregnancy test in a Walmart bathroom. And if they did

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Excuse you, it was a very mooving ceremony

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EmeraldGirl

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Jed and Jer are also fraternal twins, as were John and Jana. So I’m thinking they are definitely going to be fraternal. 
 

So how old are their existing children now? Will she have four under two? Or will the oldest one hit three? I don’t know why anybody wants to do this, except Michelle‘s philosophy of leaving it all into God‘s hands and children are like flowers. I personally kill every flower that comes near me.🤷🏻‍♀️ Katie seems like such an interesting normal person. I can’t imagine why she chose this life and this man. she still shows quite a bit of personality, thank God for that. But the other side of her is a devoted fertility machine. 😔

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Notabug

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9 hours ago, Absolom said:

Yes, I know that and have met quite a few women who disagree with it. So far all has gone well for them.  They have had close monitoring though.  The woman next door who has the twins who have done so well absolutely refused to deliver earler than natural labor. She's a respiratory therapist in a local NICU so she knew what she was trying to avoid.  I don't expect you to agree with her decision, but it worked out fine for them.

I don't need to agree with her decision, I'm glad to know she was fully informed of the risks and made her choice based on facts.  I have plenty of patients who don't agree with me on stuff like screening mammograms or immunizations for HPV and I am fine with it as long as they spend a minute or two listening to me explain why I think otherwise.

4 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Jed and Jer are also fraternal twins, as were John and Jana. So I’m thinking they are definitely going to be fraternal. 
 

So how old are their existing children now? Will she have four under two? Or will the oldest one hit three? I don’t know why anybody wants to do this, except Michelle‘s philosophy of leaving it all into God‘s hands and children are like flowers. I personally kill every flower that comes near me.🤷🏻‍♀️ Katie seems like such an interesting normal person. I can’t imagine why she chose this life and this man. she still shows quite a bit of personality, thank God for that. But the other side of her is a devoted fertility machine. 😔

Fraternal twins run on the mother's side of the family; so Michelle's history is not relevant here.  Fraternal twins require the mother to release 2 eggs at ovulation and has nothing to do with the father.  

They're probably fraternal because the majority of twins are.

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Notabug

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5 hours ago, lianau said:

My identical twin brothers were only born a week early .

How long ago?  The data supporting delivering twins electively at 37-38 weeks is only a decade or so old.  We used to let them go until the due date all the time.  Most delivered well before then, but some went the distance.

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Gemma Violet

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8 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

So how old are their existing children now? Will she have four under two? Or will the oldest one hit three?

I posted this in October in the Jinger thread after Jinger discussed it on her podcast:

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Jinger said Jed and Katie will have four kids under two.  (Well, not exactly two years--more like two and a half years.)  Jeremy looked up Tru's birthdate and he said it was in May 2022.  And then Nora was next.  (They didn't say her birthdate.)

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Katey's twins are due in January

So in January, they will have two newborns, a 2 1/2 year-old (approximately), and a one-year-old (approximately).  (Or maybe Nora will be 1 1/2.)  

When Jinger said four under two, at first, I thought she meant four under 24 months, but she wasn't speaking of literally two years--just not having reached 3 yet.

 

So she will have four kids in the span of 2 years and 8 months.  

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EmeraldGirl

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7 hours ago, Notabug said:

I don't need to agree with her decision, I'm glad to know she was fully informed of the risks and made her choice based on facts.  I have plenty of patients who don't agree with me on stuff like screening mammograms or immunizations for HPV and I am fine with it as long as they spend a minute or two listening to me explain why I think otherwise.

Fraternal twins run on the mother's side of the family; so Michelle's history is not relevant here.  Fraternal twins require the mother to release 2 eggs at ovulation and has nothing to do with the father.  

They're probably fraternal because the majority of twins are.

Thanks for the explanation. So does being a twin, fraternal or identical, make any difference in whether they have twins themselves?

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lookeyloo

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Just an aside on the twin thing.  Mr. lookeyloo has a twin brother.  They turn 70 in October.  Their late mother, bless her heart, insisted they were identical because "the doctor" told her.  Whether he did or didn't, well, who knows, but, they almost don't even look like brothers.  If I showed you a picture of a bunch of people anyone would be hard pressed to pick them out as brothers, let alone identical twins.  It will be interesting to see what the Duggar baby "twins" are like.

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Notabug

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1 hour ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Thanks for the explanation. So does being a twin, fraternal or identical, make any difference in whether they have twins themselves?

Yeah, the only type of twinning that can be inherited is fraternal and it is passed through the women in a family.  Some women are 'multiple ovulators' and release more than one egg frequently.

My mom had a cousin who had 3 sets of fraternal twins, that cousin's sister had two children: fraternal twins.  Those are multiple ovulators.  My mother's mother also had a set of twins that died of prematurity in the 1920's.  My niece, her great grand daughter, just had a set of fraternal girls. 

However, the inheritance of an increased risk of twins is multifactorial meaning there are multiple genes involved.  If no one has twins in your family and you're not using fertility medications; your chances are around 1%.  If there are fraternal twins, conceived naturally amongst you or your first degree relatives (mom, sisters, daughters); your chances are 5%  So, even in best case scenario, 95% of people with twins in the family won't have them in any given pregnancy.

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3 hours ago, beckie said:

I made the mistake of watching some of their newest video.  She said they didn't know if the girls were identical or fraternal,  but that they each had their own sac. And she's due Jan 19th, but Jed wants them to arrive Dec. 30th, as that's his and Jeremiah's birthday. 

He would also get a tax deduction for this year if they arrived in December.

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7 hours ago, floridamom said:

Don't identical twins share the same sac? Fraternal have their own...am I correct? 

Nope. It depends on when the single fertilized egg splits.  If it splits soon after ferilization, both twins would have their own sac, each with 2 layers, amnion and chorion which is the set-up for fraternal twins. The longer before the embryo splits, the more that is shared by the twins. Some identicals are in 2 separate sacs, so they have 2 amnions, but only a single chorion.  That only happens with identicals.  Finally, both babies can be in a single sac or monoamnionic.  Monoamnionic twins are far more likely to have issues with one twin getting more blood flow than the other through their shared placenta, resulting in twin-twin transfusion syndrome.  Twins in the same sac can also become tangled in one another's umbilical cords which can lead to one or both being stillborn due to cord compression.

Worst case scenario of all is that monoamnionic twins don't split before their bodies start developing which results in conjoined twins.

The vast, vast majority of identical twins are in separate sacs.

I've only ever seen one set of monoamnionic twins.  They were born to a 14 year old whose family brought her to the ER with a belly ache, thinking she had appendicitis.  The ER doc asked when her baby was due. "I'm not pregnant, I'm a virgin".  The girl's mom repeated the same mantra.  The OB resident came down to the ER, did an ultrasound and found the twins, she was in labor and was taken to L&D where she and her mother refused a cesarean delivery even though the twins were breech because they still were insisting we were wrong, since the girl was a virgin.  I was chief resident on service and caught baby A as he delivered butt-first.  His grandmother proceeded to faint and was on the floor when his brother arrived butt-first a minute later.  They were only 25-26 weeks along, very premature, but they survived.  As far as I know, neither one was named Jesus and their mother took them home after giviing up on the virgin birth story.

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lianau

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On 12/15/2024 at 3:14 PM, Notabug said:

How long ago?  The data supporting delivering twins electively at 37-38 weeks is only a decade or so old.  We used to let them go until the due date all the time.  Most delivered well before then, but some went the distance.

Sorry for only seeing this now. They were born in 1985.

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EmeraldGirl

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Wow, was the 14-year-old girl overweight? I don’t know how anybody can miss a twin pregnancy. Although you did say that they were very early, I still don’t know how nobody noticed. I guess girls that wear a lot of baggy clothes can hide a multitude of sins (which is what I’m sure the mother was calling this). 

Notabug

Notabug

8 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Wow, was the 14-year-old girl overweight? I don’t know how anybody can miss a twin pregnancy. Although you did say that they were very early, I still don’t know how nobody noticed. I guess girls that wear a lot of baggy clothes can hide a multitude of sins (which is what I’m sure the mother was calling this). 

She was actually quite tall and thin.  At that time, baggy flannel shirts and jeans were the uniform for teens.  Her height helped disguise it as did her mother's  obliviousness to what was going one.  Looking at her in the ER, the first thing the nurse asked was when was the baby due.  She looked pretty pregnant to those of us who were there.  Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

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Notabug

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7 minutes ago, beckie said:

Their other daughter, Nora's,  middle name, is also Kate. But don't Jed and Jer have the same middle name also?

 

My niece has 3 girls, all with the same middle name. However, in her case, her girls have their maternal grandma's middle name.  My sister died back when my niece was in college and she wanted to include her memory in her childrens' names.

In the case of the Duggars, it seems more like laziness and a lack of imagination.

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Salacious Kitty

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30 minutes ago, Notabug said:

My niece has 3 girls, all with the same middle name. However, in her case, her girls have their maternal grandma's middle name.  My sister died back when my niece was in college and she wanted to include her memory in her childrens' names.

In the case of the Duggars, it seems more like laziness and a lack of imagination.

They're obviously honoring Katey. Jed calls her Kate, and her full name is Katelin. 

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Gemma Violet

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23 minutes ago, woodscommaelle said:

What kind of money does a feature/article in People get you?

Not sure, but no doubt the wedding/giving birth of a Duggar girl gets more views and therefore earn more dollars than a Duggar boy.  Jana's long-awaited wedding must have gotten much more than Jed's twins.  Maybe $15,000 for Jana and $3,000 for Jed.  I'm just spit-balling, of course.  I have no idea what the going rate is.

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EmeraldGirl

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I don’t know, Jed does seem rather sweet with Katey and the kids. I don’t like his politics, or the fact that he wants to be in politics, but we really don’t know what he’s like in real life. I do see him tear up quite a bit.
 

All I could see at the beginning was that there were some extremely wrinkled curtains hanging! I guess there won’t be much time now to do any ironing. Or sleeping. Katey couldn't wait to get in her bed. I don’t think she’ll spend much time there. One my favorite things in the world was when the kids were old enough that I didn’t have to get up super early with them. I’ve never been a morning person, so having all those babies looks like a nightmare to me. Baby number two wouldn’t sleep through the night for nine months. That was more than enough to last me a lifetime.

 

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Absolom

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7 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

Not sure, but no doubt the wedding/giving birth of a Duggar girl gets more views and therefore earn more dollars than a Duggar boy.  Jana's long-awaited wedding must have gotten much more than Jed's twins.  Maybe $15,000 for Jana and $3,000 for Jed.  I'm just spit-balling, of course.  I have no idea what the going rate is.

People has a longstanding policy of not paying for stories.  However, they do pay a licensing fee for any photos that they use.  That pricing can go from a few hundred dollars to thousands and thousands.  

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Absolom

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Larry Birkhead was reportedly getting $150,000 or so per issue that had photos of Dannielynn as a very young child. That was ten to fifteen years ago so factor in inflation but also a decrease because I'm sure more people would buy People to see Dannielynn back then than would care about Jed's twins.  There were also more photos licensed.

I seem to remember $250,000 being rumored for birthday party photos one year.

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andromeda331

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2 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

BTW, I noticed the Jed/Katie article was no longer on the People website's front page as of mid-afternoon today.  The piece on Jana had much more traction.

Maybe most people don't know who Jed was? If it wasn't for his campaign I wouldn't know him from any of the Duggar boys. I like the first names but hate them both having the same middle. Given them their own middle name. 

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