Predator and Prey: Assault, harassment, and other aggressions in the entertainment industry

[Jeanne222]

There are a few women like Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton that had nude pictures and tapes exposed and that launched their careers!

There are some innocents and some guilties.  Without the oops nude photos being released they would just be blondes with big boobs.

Is Tim guilty of something that might have happened many moons ago or is this just Pam selling books and the show must go on!

[Soapy Goddess]

I'm no Tim Allen fan by any means, but come on...the timing of this supposed "flash" is questionable to me.  This after 30 years? 🙄

[Bethany]

9 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Is Tim guilty of something that might have happened many moons ago or is this just Pam selling books and the show must go on!

IS anyone really going to buy a book just to read that Tim Allen flashed his willie years ago?  Is he that big a show business name that this revelation will sell a book that wouldn't have sold otherwise?  

[bluegirl147]

21 minutes ago, Elizabeth Anne said:

IS anyone really going to buy a book just to read that Tim Allen flashed his willie years ago?  Is he that big a show business name that this revelation will sell a book that wouldn't have sold otherwise?  

Pam's book is going to be a best seller immediately.  As I said earlier I believe her.  She has had so many things happen in her life that are far worse than this so why would she make something like this up? I haven't read the details of what happened so I don't know if Pam was horrified by this or just like Oh Jesus put that thing away.  But of course Tim Allen would deny it.  How many famous men do you know who will admit to flashing their penis at someone? 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I'm no Tim Allen fan by any means, but come on...the timing of this supposed "flash" is questionable to me.  This after 30 years? 🙄

This is exactly the type of thing I expect to come out when a celebrity releases a memoir. Particularly, given how a story like this would have been treated for most of that 30 years. 

[Irlandesa]

6 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

How many famous men do you know who will admit to flashing their penis at someone? 

10 years ago, he might have admitted it as a joke.  But now that it's clear not everyone thinks that kind of thing is funny, people are less likely to admit it.

There's video of him possibly flashing (or miming flashing)Particia Richardson on camera.

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, Irlandesa said:

10 years ago, he might have admitted it as a joke.  But now that it's clear not everyone thinks that kind of thing is funny, people are less likely to admit it.

There's video of him possibly flashing (or miming flashing)Particia Richardson on camera.

I remember when Cuba Gooding pulled down Sarah Paulson's skirt during some Q & A for American Crime Story.  Some people including Sarah didn't have a problem with it.  Said it was all in good fun.  And then Cuba got in even more trouble.  I don't find it amusing when men do that shit.

[RealHousewife]

5 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I remember when Cuba Gooding pulled down Sarah Paulson's skirt during some Q & A for American Crime Story.  Some people including Sarah didn't have a problem with it.  Said it was all in good fun.  And then Cuba got in even more trouble.  I don't find it amusing when men do that shit.

I'd be mortified if someone pulled that shit on me. I think it's so violating and am shocked Sarah had no problem with it. 

What percentage of our attitudes toward things like this is generational?

For example, a gen x coworker of mine thinks her gen z daughter is too sensitive and can't believe she finds "you're pretty" or "you're beautiful" to be harassment. My coworker said she even appreciates it when men tell her she has a nice ass or boobs, and she doesn't get how other women find that to be harassment. I'm a millennial and not offended if I'm told I'm attractive but do not want random men commenting on certain body parts. 

 

[DrSpaceman73]

1 hour ago, Irlandesa said:

10 years ago, he might have admitted it as a joke.  But now that it's clear not everyone thinks that kind of thing is funny, people are less likely to admit it.

There's video of him possibly flashing (or miming flashing)Particia Richardson on camera.

It's never really been funny to anyone who has matured beyond about 10 years old. 

He won't admit it but he probably did it.  And I  dont care about him one way or another.  He's fine in some movies but nothing notable in the last 20 years or so. And yes I know he's been in last man standing. 

 

9 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I'd be mortified if someone pulled that shit on me. I think it's so violating and am shocked Sarah had no problem with it. 

What percentage of our attitudes toward things like this is generational?

For example, a gen x coworker of mine thinks her gen z daughter is too sensitive and can't believe she finds "you're pretty" or "you're beautiful" to be harassment. My coworker said she even appreciates it when men tell her she has a nice ass or boobs, and she doesn't get how other women find that to be harassment. I'm a millennial and not offended if I'm told I'm attractive but do not want random men commenting on certain body parts. 

 

Being a gen xer myself we are kind of a transition generation. I'd never say anything like that to a coworker.  Most Boomers would probably be fine with it. Younger generations no.   Gen x probably split on it. 

[bluegirl147]

24 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

It's never really been funny to anyone who has matured beyond about 10 years old. 

He won't admit it but he probably did it.  And I  dont care about him one way or another.  He's fine in some movies but nothing notable in the last 20 years or so. And yes I know he's been in last man standing. 

 

Being a gen xer myself we are kind of a transition generation. I'd never say anything like that to a coworker.  Most Boomers would probably be fine with it. Younger generations no.   Gen x probably split on it. 

I'm a Gen Xer and if a man compliments me in a polite way I say thank you. Like if he says you look nice today.  If a man compliments a body part I'm disgusted.   I had a man once tell me those leggings look good on you.  It made me feel gross. 

Tim Allen will never admit it because he knows he did wrong but at the time he probably thought it was no big deal.

[Zella]

Eh I think blaming people's ages is too easy. Attitudes certainly have changed, but I think it's also an exaggeration to think only people of a certain age can recognize something as offensive.

I have a great-uncle who'll be 90 in a few months and retired as a supervisor for a defense company. He's also a former Marine who saw a lot of combat in the Korean War. That may not sound like a recipe for enlightened views about gender, but he and I have actually had quite a few interesting discussions about it. When I talked to him about how creepy some of the men are who come in the library where I work, he told me that women shouldn't have to put up with that at work and that he didn't permit that on his job site. This would have been back in the 70s and 80s. I told him that I was sure his female employees appreciated that, and he said very quietly that several of them had told him that numerous times. 

Tim Allen and other men his age know that's inappropriate. They just are used to not being called out on it. 

Edited January 25, 2023 by Zella

[Guest]

3 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

What percentage of our attitudes toward things like this is generational?

I also wonder what percentage of people who say they don’t have a problem with it actually do have a problem with it. As far as I know, Sarah has never addressed what happened. Cuba said she was fine with it but given his track record that means nothing.  

Unfortunately, there are very few safe spaces for women express their discomfort and most of us are very aware of that fact. You have to pick your battles. 

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, Zella said:

Eh I think blaming people's ages is too easy. Attitudes certainly have changed, but I think it's also an exaggeration to think only people of a certain age can recognize something as offensive.

I have a great-uncle who'll be 90 in a few months and retired as a supervisor for a defense company. He's also a former Marine who saw a lot of combat in the Korean War. That may not sound like a recipe for enlightened views about gender, but he and I have actually had quite a few interesting discussions about it. When I talked to him about how creepy some of the men are who come in the library where I work, he told me that women shouldn't have to put up with that at work and that he didn't permit that on his job site. This would have been back in the 70s and 80s. I told him that I was sure his female employees appreciated that, and he said very quietly that several of them had told him that numerous times. 

Tim Allen and other men his age know that's inappropriate. They just are used to not being called out on it. 

Oh of course, I just wondered how much of a factor it is. I've noticed I have less tolerance for stuff that women older than me don't mind (even appreciate) but there are things that bother gen z that don't offend me (that I may be flattered by). 

33 minutes ago, Dani said:

I also wonder what percentage of people who say they don’t have a problem with it actually do have a problem with it. As far as I know, Sarah has never addressed what happened. Cuba said she was fine with it but given his track record that means nothing.  

Unfortunately, there are very few safe spaces for women express their discomfort and most of us are very aware of that fact. You have to pick your battles. 

Very true, sadly. I've had a number of instances where other women may have reported, but because I was always scared something worse would happen, I never said anything. My fear was the worst happening and not being believed because of prior grievances. 

[supposebly]

Interesting views on the factor how generational changes affect our attitudes.

I'm Gen X and I find my reactions have shifted over the last 10-15 years or so. Not my attitudes, mind you. I'm just much more reactive and express my discomfort more openly.

I never would have found flashing one's penis acceptable, whether it's in the workplace or on the subway. But I would be much more comfortable expressing my discomfort out loud today. 20 years ago, I wouldn't have.

[FancyRhubarb]

5 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I'd be mortified if someone pulled that shit on me. I think it's so violating and am shocked Sarah had no problem with it. 

This reminds me of James Gandolfini admitting that he used to moon Lorraine Bracco to break the ice before a tough scene. It was all very 'oh, she thought it was hilarious' but in a situation like that does she have any choice but to find it hilarious? He was the star. Her role was important but clearly supporting. Who would HBO have sided with if she kicked up a stink and who would have lost their job if it came down to it? Women have been forced to have a sense of humour about this crap for centuries. 

[RealHousewife]

19 minutes ago, FancyRhubarb said:

This reminds me of James Gandolfini admitting that he used to moon Lorraine Bracco to break the ice before a tough scene. It was all very 'oh, she thought it was hilarious' but in a situation like that does she have any choice but to find it hilarious? He was the star. Her role was important but clearly supporting. Who would HBO have sided with if she kicked up a stink and who would have lost their job if it came down to it? Women have been forced to have a sense of humour about this crap for centuries. 

True. Women are just also scared as being labeled difficult/uptight in regular jobs.  

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, FancyRhubarb said:

This reminds me of James Gandolfini admitting that he used to moon Lorraine Bracco to break the ice before a tough scene. It was all very 'oh, she thought it was hilarious' but in a situation like that does she have any choice but to find it hilarious? He was the star. Her role was important but clearly supporting. Who would HBO have sided with if she kicked up a stink and who would have lost their job if it came down to it? Women have been forced to have a sense of humour about this crap for centuries. 

True. And even in situations where the actress is truly fine with it most people forget about all the crew members who are also subjected to that crap.

Whenever the Chris Pratt flashing Amy Poehler on the set of Parks and Rec comes up the argument is always that Poehler was fine with it so it’s no big deal. She was the star and a much bigger name than Pratt at the time so she probably did have the ability to speak up. But what about the random crew member who also got flashed. 

[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, Dani said:

True. And even in situations where the actress is truly fine with it most people forget about all the crew members who are also subjected to that crap.

Whenever the Chris Pratt flashing Amy Poehler on the set of Parks and Rec comes up the argument is always that Poehler was fine with it so it’s no big deal. She was the star and a much bigger name than Pratt at the time so she probably did have the ability to speak up. But what about the random crew member who also got flashed. 

Yup. I know some women truly don't care because we've had these conversations and they're not just trying shutting up because their livelihood is on the line. One of my old friends used to say men flashing is just funny, nothing more. She was more uncomfortable with female nudity. (I guess that's a whole other topic), When in doubt, keep your clothes on. Crew members, huge stars, no one should be subject to men flashing them. 

[Ailianna]

I'm of an age where professional women were taught to use a lot of men's sexism against them. So, if he thinks you're a sweet little thing and doesn't take you seriously, you can make him underestimate you and take advantage. Sometimes that can work. But I love seeing younger women who were taught to speak out about it. And I really love seeing them being listened to.

[bluegirl147]

2 hours ago, Ailianna said:

But I love seeing younger women who were taught to speak out about it. And I really love seeing them being listened to.

That's in large part due to women before them speaking out.  I recently watched She Said, the movie about the NYT reporters who broke the Harvey Weinstein story.   Once some really big stars came out and said Weinstein had harassed and assaulted them it helped women who weren't big stars come forward and say this happened to me too. 

 

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

That's in large part due to women before them speaking out.  I recently watched She Said, the movie about the NYT reporters who broke the Harvey Weinstein story.   Once some really big stars came out and said Weinstein had harassed and assaulted them it helped women who weren't big stars come forward and say this happened to me too. 

 

Agree, and I highly recommend She Said. 

[Bethany]

Ghislaine Maxwell Claims Infamous Picture of Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre Is 'Fake'

[Wiendish Fitch]

10 minutes ago, Elizabeth Anne said:

Ghislaine Maxwell Claims Infamous Picture of Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre Is 'Fake'

Oh! Well! If Gilly says it's...

You know what? That evil bitch isn't even worth the effort of sarcasm. She should STFU already.

Edited January 25, 2023 by Wiendish Fitch

[Notabug]

20 hours ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

It's never really been funny to anyone who has matured beyond about 10 years old. 

He won't admit it but he probably did it.  And I  dont care about him one way or another.  He's fine in some movies but nothing notable in the last 20 years or so. And yes I know he's been in last man standing. 

 

Being a gen xer myself we are kind of a transition generation. I'd never say anything like that to a coworker.  Most Boomers would probably be fine with it. Younger generations no.   Gen x probably split on it. 

I'm a boomer and I have never appreciated specific comments about body parts, not even back in the 60's when my body parts were indeed pretty cute.

It's one thing to appreciate someone's flattering hairstyle or that the color they are wearing really complements their coloring or that their necklace is beautiful.  It is not ok to compliment them on their basic equipment, AKA body parts except in the most general terms.  Telling someone their eyes are a lovely shade of blue is not too creepy, telling them they have a great a** is very creepy.

Edited January 25, 2023 by Notabug

[Mabinogia]

I don't have an issue with nudity in that, if I were hanging out with a group of friends and one of them pulled down their pants to be funny, whatever. I don't think it's funny nor am I offended, though I would question their maturity level. 

But unless you are in a job that requires nudity, like a porn star, or proctologist, that sort, there is absolutely no reason at all why anyone you are with should have their pants down. It's just not funny. All these guys who did it claim they were just being funny or goofing around and that they "got a laugh" from it. If people are laughing, it's probably that awkward "what an idiot" type of laugh people do when someone is acting like a five year old. 

 

[RealHousewife]

3 hours ago, Notabug said:

I'm a boomer and I have never appreciated specific comments about body parts, not even back in the 60's when my body parts were indeed pretty cute.

It's one thing to appreciate someone's flattering hairstyle or that the color they are wearing really complements their coloring or that their necklace is beautiful.  It is not ok to compliment them on their basic equipment, AKA body parts except in the most general terms.  Telling someone their eyes are a lovely shade of blue is not too creepy, telling them they have a great a** is very creepy.

Exactly. I think some guys confuse compliments/finding someone sexy and objectifying them. 

I don’t want to see any coworkers’ or friends’ junk under any circumstances. 

[Notabug]

3 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

I don't have an issue with nudity in that, if I were hanging out with a group of friends and one of them pulled down their pants to be funny, whatever. I don't think it's funny nor am I offended, though I would question their maturity level. 

But unless you are in a job that requires nudity, like a porn star, or proctologist, that sort, there is absolutely no reason at all why anyone you are with should have their pants down. It's just not funny. All these guys who did it claim they were just being funny or goofing around and that they "got a laugh" from it. If people are laughing, it's probably that awkward "what an idiot" type of laugh people do when someone is acting like a five year old. 

 

It is also one thing to think flashing a group of friends is funny in a social situation.  There is no circumstance in which anyone should be flashing anyone else in the workplace for laughs.

[merylinkid]

9 hours ago, Elizabeth Anne said:

Ghislaine Maxwell Claims Infamous Picture of Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre Is 'Fake'

Andrew is not riding up on a white horse like a knight in shining armor to save you Ghislaine.   Lying for him won't help you OR him.  

[Vermicious Knid]

I fully believe Tim Allen flashed Pam, and probably doesn't remember doing it because he did it to many young, pretty new actresses. Because who were they to report or complain about the STAR of the show, certainly not 30 years ago. Now just in the last few years John Barrowman lost a number of jobs for taking out his penis on set, which seems to have been more of a juvenile sense of humor than deliberate harassment, but he owned up to being in the wrong and didn't complain (publicly anyway) about being fired for his own mistakes. 

Mike Tyson got hit with a lawsuit alleging he raped a woman in the 90s, under NY's Adult Survivors Act. Since he was actually found guilty and jailed for rape previously, I think she's got a good chance of winning. 

[Jeanne222]

Years ago women had no voice.  They took the nasty deeds and said nothing.

Remembering too that most of these women coming forward with their claims were in the entertainment business.

This new generation of highly educated professional women know they can speak up and be heard and something will be done to the offender and said woman won't lose her job.

My problem with Pam is she waited to out Tim with her book.  That's suspicious! Plus this big Tim reveal might be the only interesting chapter since it's all we keep hearing about.

I think Patricia made it worse for Tim by saying he wore boxers when he flashed her making me think yep...he's a flasher!

[Jaded]

"I believe people.... but this person didn't share their experience in the correct way....."😐

Edited January 27, 2023 by Jaded

[Irlandesa]

7 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

My problem with Pam is she waited to out Tim with her book.  That's suspicious! Plus this big Tim reveal might be the only interesting chapter since it's all we keep hearing about.

Given Pam's life, I highly doubt that's the most interesting or salacious thing about the book. I just think it's new.

As to why she's putting it in her book instead of mentioning it before, I think that will depend on her attitude about it.  She might not have thought it ever merited a big public declaration but made sense to include in a book on her life full of anecdotes and bigger stories.  If she has a chapter about her time on Home Improvement, it's the kind of thing it'd make sense to include.

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

As to why she's putting it in her book instead of mentioning it before, I think that will depend on her attitude about it.  She might not have thought it ever merited a big public declaration but made sense to include in a book on her life full of anecdotes and bigger stories.  If she has a chapter about her time on Home Improvement, it's the kind of thing it'd make sense to include.

This is what it seems from what I have read. Vanity Fair included another excerpt from the book about the incident. 

Quote

“It was the first of many bizarre encounters where people felt they knew me enough to make absolute fools out of themselves.” 

I don’t see how she could write the book without included that kind of story to show how she was perceived in Hollywood. 

[Jeanne222]

4 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

Given Pam's life, I highly doubt that's the most interesting or salacious thing about the book. I just think it's new.

As to why she's putting it in her book instead of mentioning it before, I think that will depend on her attitude about it.  She might not have thought it ever merited a big public declaration but made sense to include in a book on her life full of anecdotes and bigger stories.  If she has a chapter about her time on Home Improvement, it's the kind of thing it'd make sense to include.

And that reveal is drawing attention to her book!

[bluegirl147]

53 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

And that reveal is drawing attention to her book!

I don't think that particular reveal is going to make anyone who wasn't already going to read the book want to read the book.

[FancyRhubarb]

21 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

I think Patricia made it worse for Tim by saying he wore boxers when he flashed her making me think yep...he's a flasher!

For me it was Pamela saying that he explained it away as "you should see me naked because I've seen you". That really struck me as the type of thing a scummy guy who thinks he's a good guy would say to assert power while pretending that he was actually doing her a favor.  "Oh, I've jacked off to you and I'm going to bring it up when I barely know you and I'm the star of a garbage TV show. And I'll degrade you by flashing you but I'll do it in a way that I think is funny and therefore not predatory and who cares what you think because you're just a Playboy centerfold." I can't stand Tim Allen, though, which might be clouding  my thoughts. 

 

[AstridM]

5 minutes ago, FancyRhubarb said:

For me it was Pamela saying that he explained it away as "you should see me naked because I've seen you". That really struck me as the type of thing a scummy guy who thinks he's a good guy would say to assert power while pretending that he was actually doing her a favor.  "Oh, I've jacked off to you and I'm going to bring it up when I barely know you and I'm the star of a garbage TV show. And I'll degrade you by flashing you but I'll do it in a way that I think is funny and therefore not predatory and who cares what you think because you're just a Playboy centerfold." I can't stand Tim Allen, though, which might be clouding  my thoughts. 

 

Truly disgusting .

[FancyRhubarb]

3 minutes ago, AstridM said:

Truly disgusting .

aka The Tim Allen Story.

[RealHousewife]

IRC, Pamela's said she's been married so many times because she feels a safety in marriage. I don't blame her due to all her horrible experiences with men. 

12 minutes ago, AstridM said:

Truly disgusting .

He was 14 years older than her too. When you're as young as Pamela was at that time, just starting out in Hollywood, that is a lot. 

[AstridM]

4 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

IRC, Pamela's said she's been married so many times because she feels a safety in marriage. I don't blame her due to all her horrible experiences with men. 

He was 14 years older than her too. When you're as young as Pamela was at that time, just starting out in Hollywood, that is a lot. 

Just gross of him. Sick. 

[Blergh]

5 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

IRC, Pamela's said she's been married so many times because she feels a safety in marriage. I don't blame her due to all her horrible experiences with men. 

 

 

I don't discount Miss Anderson's bad experiences nor disbelieve her claims about Mr. Allen.

However, if she 'felt a safety in marriage', then she picked five of the most exploitative, unfaithful, abusive and least 'safe' men out there she could have found whose track records were by all quite obvious and well-known.

Seriously, she'd be better off just getting a German shepherd puppy to love and protect her!

[RealHousewife]

3 hours ago, Blergh said:

 

I don't discount Miss Anderson's bad experiences nor disbelieve her claims about Mr. Allen.

However, if she 'felt a safety in marriage', then she picked five of the most exploitative, unfaithful, abusive and least 'safe' men out there she could have found whose track records were by all quite obvious and well-known.

Seriously, she'd be better off just getting a German shepherd puppy to love and protect her!

I know. I think Pamela seems sweet, but her taste in men is terrible. 

[AstridM]

4 hours ago, Blergh said:

 

I don't discount Miss Anderson's bad experiences nor disbelieve her claims about Mr. Allen.

However, if she 'felt a safety in marriage', then she picked five of the most exploitative, unfaithful, abusive and least 'safe' men out there she could have found whose track records were by all quite obvious and well-known.

Seriously, she'd be better off just getting a German shepherd puppy to love and protect her!

An expensive home alarm system should be sufficient. What other “protection” does anyone need?

[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, AstridM said:

An expensive home alarm system should be sufficient. What other “protection” does anyone need?

I think she didn't love dating and never knowing what she'd deal with, which I know is bizarre considering the men she married. I wouldn't feel safe with her husbands based on what I've heard either. 

[Makai]

5 hours ago, AstridM said:

An expensive home alarm system should be sufficient. What other “protection” does anyone need?

Emotional. Spiritual. Mental. Financial. Physical, anywhere other than home. Feeling safe is about more than protection. Hopefully she‘s realized she’s not likely to find what she is looking for it in the men she normally chooses but safety is a complex and basic human need. 

Edited January 27, 2023 by Makai

[AstridM]

2 hours ago, Makai said:

Emotional. Spiritual. Mental. Financial. Physical, anywhere other than home. Feeling safe is about more than protection. Hopefully she‘s realized she’s not likely to find what she is looking for in the men she normally chooses but safety is a complex and basic human need. 

True, but men aren’t always the answer 🤷‍♀️. Human beings all have that need to feel secure in various ways, but you never hear about men needing women/marriage for “protection.” It’s very specific and to me, somewhat disturbing way of phrasing it. 

Edited January 27, 2023 by AstridM

[Zella]

I debated where to post this and none of the websites currently reporting on this are the greatest, but apparently Scientology leader David Miscavige has been dodging process servers for the past few months over a trafficking lawsuit. If you keep up with Scientology misdeeds, his wife Shelly has not been seen in public since 2007. 

https://www.tmz.com/2023/01/26/david-miscavige-scientology-leader-shelly-wife/

Edited January 27, 2023 by Zella

[Makai]

2 hours ago, AstridM said:

True, but men aren’t always the answer 🤷‍♀️. Human beings all have that need to feel secure in various ways, but you never hear about men needing women/marriage for “protection.” It’s very specific and to me, somewhat disturbing way of phrasing it. 

I agree but that wasn’t her phrasing. The poster recalled that Pam said she felt “safety” in marriage. Safety and protection are are very similar but can have very different connotations. 

[Mabinogia]

30 minutes ago, Makai said:

I agree but that wasn’t her phrasing. The poster recalled that Pam said she felt “safety” in marriage. Safety and protection are are very similar but can have very different connotations. 

I wonder if some of her reasoning was that if she was married, at least some of the pervy men who think they can approach her because they've seen her in a magazine might think twice before trying anything. Because I imagine that a single Pam Anderson couldn't go into any public place without some asshole thinking she owed him a kiss, or that she should be willing to have her body touched all because she took some photos that got them off. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

On 1/26/2023 at 2:45 AM, Jeanne222 said:

My problem with Pam is she waited to out Tim with her book.  That's suspicious! Plus this big Tim reveal might be the only interesting chapter since it's all we keep hearing about.

I've actually been getting huge into celebrity memoirs this year because I read Will Smith's and Demi Moore's and Matthew Perry's and I was just riveted.

What I hate though, is that the media takes a more salacious or insulting part of these books and starts sharing it over and over and over again for clicks and buzz.

Pamela isn't using this tidbit about Tim to advertise her book.  The media is using this tidbit to advertise themselves.

It is never suspicious to me when people have these anecdotes in their book.  It's them telling their story the way they want to tell it, after they have had time to think on it and reflect on it and put it in their own words.

People see these news stories and they get annoyed and suspicious, but who is actually making the money off of these stories?  The media publications who run them, the social media sites.  Not the authors who have this one paragraph buried under 300 pages.

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by Ms Blue Jay