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I'm not sure when it started, but around 1:15 a.m. BBT on Cameras 1/2, Enzo told Kevin a story about is father's immigration from Italy and how he didn't speak the language and wasn't treated well, but worked his ass off. It was a nice story about his father.

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6 minutes ago, Christina said:

I'm not sure when it started, but around 1:15 a.m. BBT on Cameras 1/2, Enzo told Kevin a story about is father's immigration from Italy and how he didn't speak the language and wasn't treated well, but worked his ass off. It was a nice story about his father.

His dad passed away, right? Was he alive when Enzo was on BB12?

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46 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

His dad passed away, right? Was he alive when Enzo was on BB12?

His dad passed away 4 years ago, at the age of 61, from leukemia. I heard him tell Kevin about his dad and I agree, it was a nice story. He said his dad immigrated from Italy and was very smart but also shy because of his thick accent. He made his living flipping houses and the family would live in the house while he worked on it. Enzo always hated the houses they moved to because they were ugly, but when it came time to leave, he didn’t want to go because it was beautiful. 

He and Kevin had a really nice conversation about their lives, their experiences playing BB and what it was like to return (Kevin couldn’t believe they asked a potato like him back) and what they’d do with the money if they won (Enzo wants to travel with his kids. It was the idea of having the money to do something like that, something no one in his family has ever had the means to do, that led to the story about his father.) Kevin is thinking of moving to LA. Apparently he is still close to Lydia and visits her in LA often. He used to be a Jehovah’s Witness but is no longer. He talked about a friend who died of leukemia and wasn’t able to be treated for it because you can’t have medicine in JW. 

When I first tuned in to the conversation, he and Enzo were talking about some deal Kevin has offered to all the remaining players. I didn’t catch it all, but I think Kevin has offered to be a professional pawn, someone they can put up every week beside whoever they want to get rid of, and he will cooperate willingly, without drama. I’m not sure how that benefits anyone, because they’ve already been doing that. But he knows there’s really nothing he can do. I feel bad for him. I know he hasn’t been the greatest player this season, but he seems like a genuinely nice person and I wish he had had a better experience.

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17 minutes ago, 30 Helens said:

He used to be a Jehovah’s Witness but is no longer. He talked about a friend who died of leukemia and wasn’t able to be treated for it because you can’t have medicine in JW. 

I'm going to make a slight correction to this point, because I have a lot of family who are JW and this is often confused with Christian Scientists who do not believe in medical treatment. JW do not believe in blood transfers and Kevin specifically said his friend refused the blood transfusion. He would be allowed to take the chemo, etc. as a JW. There have been some non-blood products being created and tested, but I'm not sure where those stand.

In my specific family, there have been times when blood was necessary and permission was ultimately granted. In one, my aunt had lost a lot of blood during childbirth and her husband signed for it. She is not penalized by the faith for it, but someone else who gave permission for a blood transfusion for herself was ostracized from some of the other members of her Kingdom Hall.

In another case, the baby needed blood but the parents refused and since the doctor said that blood would 98% keep him from dying, a social worker filed something in front of a judge and the treating physician and two other doctors all testified that the baby would 100% die without it but only be subject to the 2% chance of poor side affects that all people are subject to. The judge signed an order for the hospital to provide the blood and the CPS claim that was opened just for the issue was closed with no further action.

It turns out this is the normal procedure to deal with the issue when children are involved, and at that point, the parents are not punished in any way by other JWs because the decision was removed from them. These types of cases, along with medical treatment regarding Christian Scientists, have been appealed as having their parental rights infringed upon and always ultimately lose. The threshold for the parental decisions to be overruled by a judge is really high, though, like my cousin absolutely dying without it and the chances of living are clear.  In my cousin's case, they are actually relieved that the decision was taken away from them because their son is thriving and they think God's will was ultimately made.

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Taran said that them knowing that it may be a triple eviction could bring some drama in the house before Thursday and that is something that could become interesting although we will lose that "oh my God!" segment after they hear it's a triple on Thursday. So Taran is actually saying that they know that it's a triple.

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9 hours ago, Michichick said:

I was watching the feeds a bit ago. Memphis cut up some raw chicken and left it sitting out. He was just sitting there in the kitchen, hanging out while his chicken grew salmonella.

 

9 hours ago, ilovebeaarthur said:

Raven’s impact!

Well his name of the day yesterday was Raven Hill, TN.

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7 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Memphis, Cody and Enzo are talking about how lost David is and how great a player Kevin is -- and for some reason they sort of think they owe it to Kevin.  Talking about how David only came back to this game for followers and other things. Cody said that's not cool. You should come for the game. He doesn't have respect for David. Circular logic talk...   Weirdly Memphis now pulling for David to stay... 

I just saw a quote from Cody saying that he acts dumb in his DRs in order to get more followers.  Hmm, who came back for followers?

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9 hours ago, BK1978 said:

Give them challenges in the house, food comps, make them compete for luxuries, anything to mix things up and keep them from laying around all the time. Have them partner up for random stuff to force new relationships.

They used to do this! I was talking with a coworker about how to stop this "first HOH forms a massive alliance and no one ever goes against it" nonsense. We came up with the following:

HGs are put into alliances by secret random draw (can't trust that to viewers or production.) No bigger than 4. No HOH for the first show, America picks the two noms (could be restricted to feedsters to motivate people to sign up and prevent editing shenanigans.) After that, normal HOH etc. The secret alliances continue through week 4, the one which kept the most of their members wins something. They dissolve, and now they either have to play for themselves, continue with the alliance they had, or try to make new ones with people they may have been working against thus far. This way, it prevents all the jocks and pretty people running everything from jump. People have to work with people they wouldn't have given a chance otherwise. Or they'll be very unhappy, and try to cause problems, which brings the drama. If anyone blabs about their secret alliance to anyone outside it, they are an automatic nom. Also, get rid of Grodner and Kass.

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14 hours ago, choclatechip45 said:

Also, don't they have multivitamins readily available for the houseguests?

They do.

13 hours ago, choclatechip45 said:

They have a crockpot which should make it easier for all of them. 

They have a crockpot now?! That's awesome. I've never seen them use it though lol. 

13 hours ago, choclatechip45 said:

I thought they stopped providing juices for Nicole. She spent three weeks complaining about it lol.

Yea, they did. For a minute she was making her own orange juice but she's given up because she's too lazy to do it.

11 hours ago, HartofDixie said:

If he goes to jury I hope he has more food options or they get takeout.

They normally get a chef in jury, but I don't know if they'll do that this year with covid.

10 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Or, just put a copy of her cookbook in the house!

I think they should give them a couple cookbooks. I don't understand why they don't. There's no outside info in a cookbook lol. 

9 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

All I know is, nothing was spoiled. These guys don’t have a clue.

They do though. They know something different is happening and that alone means they're on alert and won't be truly surprised on Thursday. The least Production could do now is not tell them it's a TE before the first eviction or the second. They need to let them believe it's a normal double right up until the end of the second eviction. But since Production is completely incompetent I expect them to open the live show by telling them it's a TE.

32 minutes ago, Ananayel said:

Also, get rid of Grodner and Kass.

This needs to be the first thing that happens in order to save the show but it won't happen so the show will never be saved. It'll just continue to be the same boring, offensive shit year after year until the ratings become so bad they get rid of it.

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Do the jury members get to see ALL their good bye messages? On the show, some of them are not shown.

Memphis said something yesterday about his goodbye messages and was under the impression his would help smooth things over -- I can't remember who or what he was talking about but it occurred to me that his messages may not be shown if edited out?

 

 

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Bean Station, TN (Memphis) was up for a few minutes, but went back to bed. David's not even up yet. He must have had a late night.

48 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Do the jury members get to see ALL their good bye messages? On the show, some of them are not shown.

Memphis said something yesterday about his goodbye messages and was under the impression his would help smooth things over -- I can't remember who or what he was talking about but it occurred to me that his messages may not be shown if edited out?

 

 

I believe they see the ones not shown on the show in the jury house.

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20 hours ago, Growsonwalls said:

(Dani used to get morally offended she was cooking meat and veggie meals in the same kitchen.

What did she expect the non-vegans to do for food? Kevin needs to tell her that the world doesn't revolve around her now.

Also, I've been wanting to ask. Why don't they give them a grill anymore? I remember specifically in season 11, Jeff was always grilling. 

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7 hours ago, Summerday said:

Weren't those Tyler and Angela's exact words to Brett in BB20 when they blindsided him in the double eviction? Something about Angela was one step ahead and Tyler was two steps ahead of Brett. Maybe they wanted to telegraph to Tyler that it's a triple eviction and they thought everyone else would be too dumb to get it...idk lol.

Yeah she named her move and said "I call this being one step ahead."  Tyler is most likely to get the reference.bThe other HG have all tossed around scenarios. Most of them were already expecting a double this week. Even before the clue, they already suspected something would happen since too many HG and too few weeks. Last night, a lot of them thought they were in a speed week and then they were all disappointed when nothing happened.  I agree, they haven't figured it out but the clue is definitely lessening any possible shock value for Thursday. However given that this cast isn't all that dramatic, the clue at least promoted some conversation/speculation this week. They probably wouldn't have been all that shocked regardless.

Something else might be happening too - maybe--  the safety suite aka basement is now turned into the neighbors house - maybe there is something in addition to a triple -. Of course, probably not given these lazy production people

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Kevin's biggest issue this season was how his need to be accepted by the "cool kids" clouded all other judgment. You can see glimmers of the player from BB11 sometimes, moreso recently, with some of his reads and observations. I think once he let go of whatever was in his head about his popularity with the others, his game brain started to come back a little. The problem is that it happened too late.

Also, he'd probably be shocked to see that people like me were most excited to see him back over a lot of the others. I wish he could let go of the insecurities that are holding him back; it may surprise him just how liked and accepted he really is/could be.

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10 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Oh, yeah? That’s hilarious. 

They’re talking about movie theater food in the kitchen. Nicole stops at theaters to buy popcorn to take home. Enzo stuffs his pockets with candy and sandwiches to sneak in. Tyler and Angela sneak in a bottle of wine and glasses. I’ve done that, but the wine is prepoured into screwtop water bottles because I have no class.

ReallyTyler?  I call BS.    Both theaters on HHI serve wine.  

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David is up! He's busy cleaning up in the kitchen. Kevin is up, too. He is in the heart room, wearing 2 blankets!  A yellow striped blanket is draped around his shoulders and the gray Linus blanket is covering his lap. He is doing a Hamlet monologue, I'm guessing to his husband. Mysteriously there is a roll of toilet paper on one of the red heart cushions. It is out of reach for Kevin so he's not using it. My guess is someone has bad sniffles or was crying in the room.

Discussion of Kevin on BB chat room - funny I've seen several times people writing "whoa is me" when it's "woe is me." I always think of horses when I see that.

STARS now so the wakeup music must be playing.

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3 hours ago, Ananayel said:

They used to do this! I was talking with a coworker about how to stop this "first HOH forms a massive alliance and no one ever goes against it" nonsense. We came up with the following:

HGs are put into alliances by secret random draw (can't trust that to viewers or production.) No bigger than 4. No HOH for the first show, America picks the two noms (could be restricted to feedsters to motivate people to sign up and prevent editing shenanigans.) After that, normal HOH etc. The secret alliances continue through week 4, the one which kept the most of their members wins something. They dissolve, and now they either have to play for themselves, continue with the alliance they had, or try to make new ones with people they may have been working against thus far. This way, it prevents all the jocks and pretty people running everything from jump. People have to work with people they wouldn't have given a chance otherwise. Or they'll be very unhappy, and try to cause problems, which brings the drama. If anyone blabs about their secret alliance to anyone outside it, they are an automatic nom. Also, get rid of Grodner and Kass.

This would shake things up in a good way. And, as I always say, the vote count needs to be withheld.  So many times we’ve watched an almost awesome eviction, only to see these cowards back down because it can be figured out by the vote count.  Enough of this honor what the HOH wants. 

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1 hour ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

Kevin's biggest issue this season was how his need to be accepted by the "cool kids" clouded all other judgment. 

I’ve been thinking about this. Obviously, I hate it but honestly the fact that Kevin was so anti-Janelle/Kaysar is what allowed him to make jury. Unfortunately, this season the outsiders just couldn’t win HOH so they actually never had a shot even if they had banded together. Kevin could have been out pre-jury had he not kissed cool kid ass. I don’t think he was being strategic with it though. I believe it was as you said about his insecurities. All the outsiders just wanted so desperately to be liked by the cool kids. It happens all the time but it was just so egregious this season. 

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1 hour ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

Kevin's biggest issue this season was how his need to be accepted by the "cool kids" clouded all other judgment. You can see glimmers of the player from BB11 sometimes, moreso recently, with some of his reads and observations. I think once he let go of whatever was in his head about his popularity with the others, his game brain started to come back a little. The problem is that it happened too late.

Also, he'd probably be shocked to see that people like me were most excited to see him back over a lot of the others. I wish he could let go of the insecurities that are holding him back; it may surprise him just how liked and accepted he really is/could be.

This makes me wonder who do we think improved their legacy, and who damaged it. At this point, I can only see Cody improving. He certainly doesn’t seem like a mindless follower of his leader.

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1 minute ago, AryasMum said:

This makes me wonder who do we think improved their legacy, and who damaged it. At this point, I can only see Cody improving. He certainly doesn’t seem like a mindless follower of his leader.

Janelle and Kaysar improved it, which is insane because they were already so loved.

Outside of them... maybe Bayleigh?

I think a lot of the people in "the committee" (ugh) look worse, except for maybe Enzo.

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3 hours ago, Ananayel said:

They used to do this! I was talking with a coworker about how to stop this "first HOH forms a massive alliance and no one ever goes against it" nonsense. We came up with the following:

HGs are put into alliances by secret random draw (can't trust that to viewers or production.) No bigger than 4. No HOH for the first show, America picks the two noms (could be restricted to feedsters to motivate people to sign up and prevent editing shenanigans.) After that, normal HOH etc. The secret alliances continue through week 4, the one which kept the most of their members wins something. They dissolve, and now they either have to play for themselves, continue with the alliance they had, or try to make new ones with people they may have been working against thus far. This way, it prevents all the jocks and pretty people running everything from jump. People have to work with people they wouldn't have given a chance otherwise. Or they'll be very unhappy, and try to cause problems, which brings the drama. If anyone blabs about their secret alliance to anyone outside it, they are an automatic nom. Also, get rid of Grodner and Kass.

This could be really confusing for the casuals. Remember that on survivor we only have two tribes of eight people or three tribes of six people and most of the time I don't remember the names until half of the people are evicted. Viewers will have to remember the teams of four people and this will get really confusing.

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1 minute ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

Janelle and Kaysar improved it, which is insane because they were already so loved.

Outside of them... maybe Bayleigh?

I think a lot of the people in "the committee" (ugh) look worse, except for maybe Enzo.

Oh, I agree, all three are now more loved. But did any of the three improve what viewers see as game play?

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Just now, peachmangosteen said:

I completely disagree. I mean, Derrick literally set the game up for him lol.

Well, Kevin has Enzo pegged lol.

Well that’s true, but only for those who watch the feeds or read about them. 

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33 minutes ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

Outside of them... maybe Bayleigh?

I would certainly agree with Bayleigh. For some reason, I remembered her as a drama queen, and expected more of the same. Instead she was calm and reasonable, and got along well with everyone. Mostly. She definitely left on a high note this time. 

ETA I can't say she greatly improved my opinion of her gameplay. That probably stayed the same. 

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38 minutes ago, AryasMum said:

This makes me wonder who do we think improved their legacy, and who damaged it. At this point, I can only see Cody improving. He certainly doesn’t seem like a mindless follower of his leader.

Janelle and Kaysar definitley did.  Outside of them I think Day, Bay and Enzo did. I think Dani, Nicole Anthony, and Kevin damaged their legacy.

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3 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

They do.

They have a crockpot now?! That's awesome. I've never seen them use it though lol. 

Yea, they did. For a minute she was making her own orange juice but she's given up because she's too lazy to do it.

They normally get a chef in jury, but I don't know if they'll do that this year with covid.

I think they should give them a couple cookbooks. I don't understand why they don't. There's no outside info in a cookbook lol. 

They do though. They know something different is happening and that alone means they're on alert and won't be truly surprised on Thursday. The least Production could do now is not tell them it's a TE before the first eviction or the second. They need to let them believe it's a normal double right up until the end of the second eviction. But since Production is completely incompetent I expect them to open the live show by telling them it's a TE.

This needs to be the first thing that happens in order to save the show but it won't happen so the show will never be saved. It'll just continue to be the same boring, offensive shit year after year until the ratings become so bad they get rid of it.

Someone cooked rice in the crockpot in the beginning and it didn't turn out well. The only person who really used it was Kaysar he would make a  meat and potatoes dish in it. He also cooked a potato dish that Tyler really liked. 

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Christmas and Bean Station, TN are talking about her time in Iraq (cam 3 and 4 when not on STARS). She was describing a trailer that was set up with toilets and showers for them to use. I think there was a trailer like this at Ground Zero. The people working in the pit had to go into the decontamination area - which I believe was a trailer - and shower before they could go into the food tent, which was attached.

Christmas and Bean Station are sitting in the nominee chairs. Could that be foreshadowing??

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Christmas said she got to drive a tank! She said she was depressed when she got home and had mild PTSD. 

She's talking about something that's done yearly around Labor Day and I thought she was talking about herself at first!

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5 hours ago, luvbadtv said:

I just saw a quote from Cody saying that he acts dumb in his DRs in order to get more followers.  Hmm, who came back for followers?

Aww, that's cute that Cody thinks he's acting. He's actually deluded himself into thinking that he's smart. 

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46 minutes ago, choclatechip45 said:

Janelle and Kaysar definitley did.  Outside of them I think Day, Bay and Enzo did. I think Dani, Nicole Anthony, and Kevin damaged their legacy.

Maybe I should have split the question into:  Who improved their likability, and who improved their legacy of game player. 

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8 minutes ago, AryasMum said:

Maybe I should have split the question into:  Who improved their likability, and who improved their legacy of game player. 

Even though Kaysar was a pre jury boot I think he improved his legacy of a game player. Before this new season a lot of people thought Kaysar was one of the most overhyped players. I think this season the fact he was 85% right on the dynamics of the house and almost everything he predicted came true. The problem was no one listened to him. I do think he made some mistakes he should have tried to break up the larger alliance by turning people against each other instead of rallying the outsiders which is hard to do when you don't have any power. Also, blabbing everything was a mistake, but overall I think Kaysar improved his legacy as a player. 

Someone on this message board said it best that the issue with Kaysar is he thinks this game is like chess and doesn't account people's emotions when he makes decisions. I think his season 6 game was way better than Nicole Franzel's game in season 16. If Kaysar hadn't targeted Cappy, Cappy would have ran that game. The real issue is his season 7 game, but he was outplayed by Dr. Will when he thought he could go head to head with him.

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1 hour ago, AryasMum said:

But did any of the three improve what viewers see as game play?

Has anyone this season made a game move?  The only game move I've seen was Day using the Veto on Kevin.

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Enzo is talking about eating calves' leg that is "curd." Dani says like Little Miss Muffet, curds and whey? And there is whey protein? Enzo says, no it's how it's processed. Someone else says "like cottage cheese?" "No," says Enzo, "it gets salted and it hangs . . . " Finally everyone realizes he means "cured" but he was pronouncing it "curd."

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1 hour ago, Callaphera said:

Aww, that's cute that Cody thinks he's acting. He's actually deluded himself into thinking that he's smart. 

Well... when Cody is doing his DRs, he is the smartest person in the room.

On that side of the camera.

On that particular couch.

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1 minute ago, Nashville said:

Well... when Cody is doing his DRs, he is the smartest person in the room.

On that side of the camera.

On that particular couch.

I wouldn't sound so definite. There could be an ant on that couch. Then Cody loses. 

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1 hour ago, Figster said:

Tyler might disagree with you when she was accusing him of causing her miscarriage.  "Calm" & "reasonable" are definitely not the first two words that would come to mind when I think of Bayleigh!

That was my point tho. Those words didn't come to mind at all before this season, which is why her calm and reasonable demeanor surprised me. I'm sure she still has her moments, but I feel like she's matured since her first season. (Did she make that accusation to Tyler during the current season?) 

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9 hours ago, Christina said:

I'm going to make a slight correction to this point, because I have a lot of family who are JW and this is often confused with Christian Scientists who do not believe in medical treatment.

I apologize and hope I did not offend. Thanks for the correction.

2 hours ago, himela said:

This could be really confusing for the casuals. Remember that on survivor we only have two tribes of eight people or three tribes of six people and most of the time I don't remember the names until half of the people are evicted. Viewers will have to remember the teams of four people and this will get really confusing.

I don’t know about that. Survivor has started out with four tribes on more than one occasion. Even BB has done this before: On Kevin’s first season, they were divided into 4 high school cliques. And on the Coaches season, they were divided into 4 teams. I like the idea of dividing an All Stars season into teams, as a way to subvert pregame alliances. But since the next All Stars won’t happen for another 15 years (if tradition holds) it’s a moo point anyway. More twists would have helped this season, too. Planting a couple immunity idols, or random powers, to be found by searching or clue solving rather than just comps would have helped to shake things up. Like the word puzzle with the clues of the sheep and the sewing needle that everyone guessed hilariously wrong in the first All Stars. 

(Yes, I meant to say moo point. It’s my tribute to Joey Tribbiani.)

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22 minutes ago, 30 Helens said:

Survivor has started out with four tribes on more than one occasion.

I have trouble remembering more than half the names until episode 8 of Survivor so I would find it hard to keep up with the teams in the house.

Anyway yeah, it doesn't matter now because the next seasons will only be new players (but maybe they will KNOW EACH OTHER!) 😛

 

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2 hours ago, Lamb18 said:

Dani told David she wishes she could open the door of the Diary Room and all these puppies and kittens would come running out. David said he would really like to have a puppy.

Dom has a cute Dalmatian. The Dal even has his own instagram page.

 

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