Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[TVbitch]

Ah, come on man, I wanted to see Lucky and Liz go on their trip. Are they really going to bust up their reunion before it even even gets started? 

Kristina is an idiot. Even if she was certain that was Ava's car, does she not think the brakes going out would put Ava in a position to hit other cars and kill totally innocent people?

Sonny slumped in that chair was about as menacing as this guy...

[dubbel zout]

If Ava were driving the car when Kristina called, what was Kristina going to say? "Uh, hey, Ava, I cut your brake line, so...good luck?"

[luna1122again]

Anna: Fetch the bolt cutters. 

Ha. Which GH writer is a Gillian Anderson fan? Or perhaps Fiona Apple's? 

[YaddaYadda]

17 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

If Ava were driving the car when Kristina called, what was Kristina going to say? "Uh, hey, Ava, I cut your brake line, so...good luck?"

Her crazy ass will probably blame Ava for the accident.

If she had picked up, then none of this would have happened.

Edited March 28 by YaddaYadda

[statsgirl]

Kristina is a bit old to develop bipolar affective disorder but what she did there was definitely lacking normal thought processes. I wonder if that's where they are going with this. (I'm not looking forward to it if they are.)

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

This is when I'm really sorry I'm 6' tall. I have way too much leg to get under me.

On the plus side, that's showgirl material. (I used to work with a colleague who was a former Vegas showgirl. The stories she told!)

[GHScorpiosRule]

Man oh man! Kristina’s ASS better be arrested since it looks like in the previews that a UNI is trying to stop Lucky from going to where the crash site is.

I loved Trina recording Ezra, but why has Show forgotten that Emma had recorded DREW just last month? And I know I keep harping on this, but Drew’s ASS needs to be in DC-he’s not a local politician! And Congress is NOT in Recess!

Do it Mooby! Let your STOOPID ass kill Soliski if he doesn’t tell you who hired him! Then how will your STOOPID FUCKING ASS find out who issued the hit?

What is IT with Ava’s jealousy over Elizabeth? She did the same when she was married to Nik! And how disappointingly stupid of Ric to believe her insinuation. So of course they’re arguing when they crash. Let’s hope his SUV has airbags to cushion them. And how mind numbingly STOOPID of Kristina to not know what car Ava drives. Here’s hoping there are cameras in the garage.

Lucky is…Lucky. Much too nice to LooLoo.

Sasha can just STFU. To me it seems she did take Sidwell’s money the way she kept telling Maxie to accept him as an investor. Yeah, you twaddletwat-Of COURSE Sidwell didn’t hurt you. If not for Jason, your ASS would have blown up. Instead of a tock, I want her selfish, hypocritical ass to die when she births her spawn.

[absnow54]

Okay, but how did Rick back out of the parking spot, traverse the parking garage, and drive city streets without realizing his breaks were cut. Why did the breaks wait until he reached highway speeds before giving out? (Also why were they on the highway? Doesn’t Elizabeth live in a walk up brownstone? I’d think she’d live a few local roads from Ava’s apartment complex. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, absnow54 said:

Okay, but how did Rick back out of the parking spot, traverse the parking garage, and drive city streets without realizing his breaks were cut. Why did the breaks wait until he reached highway speeds before giving out? (Also why were they on the highway? Doesn’t Elizabeth live in a walk up brownstone? I’d think she’d live a few local roads from Ava’s apartment complex. 

Slow leaking of brake fluid. Where at first the brakes are “soft” and by the time they failed, the fluid was probably gone?

[ciarra]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Kristina is a bit old to develop bipolar affective disorder but what she did there was definitely lacking normal thought processes.

I hope they don't go there, because it suggests that Kristina is not responsible for cutting the brake lines.  Just like Sonny isn't responsible for smashing barware and shooting up Robin's house. 

[KittyQ]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

If Ava were driving the car when Kristina called, what was Kristina going to say? "Uh, hey, Ava, I cut your brake line, so...good luck?"

Or maybe just, "Oh, you're driving, well, never mind..."

[Bringonthedrama]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

What is IT with Ava’s jealousy over Elizabeth? She did the same when she was married to Nik! And how disappointingly stupid of Ric to believe her insinuation. So of course they’re arguing when they crash. 

She's jealous because Ric and Nikolas are both idiots. Ric was complaining/whining to Ava right before they slept together that the woman he really wants, Elizabeth, doesn't want him. So Ava knows she's a second choice. When Ava was married to Nikolas and the "Esme is pregnant" storyline was going on, Nikolas covered up that he was holding Esme prisoner by telling Ava that he rekindled his relationship with Elizabeth and she was pregnant. Ava then confronted Elizabeth. Ava didn't realize the truth until very pregnant Esme was brought into the hospital after jumping from Wyndemere's parapet.

Elizabeth is beautiful, significantly younger than Ava, and people generally like her - as opposed to Ava and Nina taking turns being the town pariah. Ava is an insecure woman regardless, so hearing Ric be dishonest with Elizabeth over the phone about why he's at her new home probably stung again.

 

[Artsda]

So the plan was to just bulldoze the crypt and decimate remains? Disgusting and what political people would say this is good idea?

Maxie daily scene of giving advice. 

Ava so quick to use her child for money, it's pathetic. She doesn't care at all about her daughter or her safety. 

Wow Sasha. Blaming Holly not Sidwell because she took the evil money but wouldn't take anyone elses. Pushing Maxie to do business with Sidwell. 

 

[sashabear21]

Just watched the entire week of episodes and boy oh boy am I never making that mistake again! This week had way too much Kristina for starters and I hate Kristina. I wouldn't mind a retcon where it turns out she just had a phantom pregnancy and there never was an Irene/Adela. Or a whole Bobby Ewing in the shower type of retcon is fine too as long as I don't have to hear about MyDaughter anymore.  

I love Gen Z stepping up for Tracy. 

Were Ric and Elizabeth driving down a mountain or in some other scenario wherein stepping off the accelerator wouldn't at least slow the car down? 

Liz and Lucky were adorable and good use of flashbacks, but with the talk about the lack of good chicken parm in PC my headcannon is now that the chicken parm at Pozzulo's really sucks but no one wants to tell Sonny.  

[GHScorpiosRule]

34 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Ric was complaining/whining to Ava right before they slept together that the woman he really wants, Elizabeth, doesn't want him.

Okay that I don’t remember, but since Ava is such an insecure idiot…

35 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

When Ava was married to Nikolas and the "Esme is pregnant" storyline was going on, Nikolas covered up that he was holding Esme prisoner by telling Ava that he rekindled his relationship with Elizabeth and she was pregnant. Ava then confronted Elizabeth. Ava didn't realize the truth until very pregnant Esme was brought into the hospital after jumping from Wyndemere's parapet.

Oh right! I remember that now.

Like Cujo, Ava is her own worst enemy and expects to come first with everyone.

[nilyank]

3 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Like Cujo, Ava is her own worst enemy and expects to come first with everyone.

Like Sonny when she was living at his penthouse when he offered his protection for Avery's sake.

So Lucky said that he want to leave Aiden with Laura even though he was old enough to stay by himself for a couple of days, I laughed that Aiden is old enough to live on his own and finish up going to graduate school.

Kai run away from Drew. He does not have your best interests at heart and it cost him nothing to pay for a surgery that is risky and may cause you lasting harm. Last time I look Drew is not a doctor and knows nothing to throw his two cents in,

Also Drew even though you were a Navy Seal, you don't REMEMBER anything about that time so you sound like the big, fat fake that you are trying to talk about a past that you don't know about.

You know what Drew does remember: Jason's memories about Edward, Lila, Alan Emily, Justus who are buried in that crypt and yet that doesn't seem to stop him for using his overinflated influence on another sleazy politician to destroy these people's final resting place.

Drew just sucks.

[GHScorpiosRule]

13 minutes ago, nilyank said:

So Lucky said that he want to leave Aiden with Laura even though he was old enough to stay by himself for a couple of days, I laughed that Aiden is old enough to live on his own and finish up going to graduate school

While the actor looks his age (22, I think?), the character of Aidan is 16 so I can see why Lucky would want him to stay with Laura.

[ciarra]

I'd chain myself to something, but then I'd need to pee.

[Suicidy 2.0]

This who,e storyline with the Quartermaine name, and Drew and this stupid property line thing is idiotic.  It literally makes me angry to listen to this nonsense.  None of this works this way and I feel dumber every time I have to listen to it.  
 

Also, can they just kill off Kristina?  The word “Ugh” comes out of my mouth whenever she comes in the screen.  Always screaming and botching.  NuNuLulu too.  They med to fix these characters or get rid of them.  NuNuLulu is repugnant, and it takes a lot to make a smoking hot chick like Alexa Havins unattractive.

Oh, and they can get rid of this city councilman asshole yesterday.  He pisses me off too.  Does anyone think he’s a good characters.

 

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

She's jealous because Ric and Nikolas are both idiots. Ric was complaining/whining to Ava right before they slept together that the woman he really wants, Elizabeth, doesn't want him. So Ava knows she's a second choice. When Ava was married to Nikolas and the "Esme is pregnant" storyline was going on, Nikolas covered up that he was holding Esme prisoner by telling Ava that he rekindled his relationship with Elizabeth and she was pregnant. Ava then confronted Elizabeth. Ava didn't realize the truth until very pregnant Esme was brought into the hospital after jumping from Wyndemere's parapet.

Elizabeth is beautiful, significantly younger than Ava, and people generally like her - as opposed to Ava and Nina taking turns being the town pariah. Ava is an insecure woman regardless, so hearing Ric be dishonest with Elizabeth over the phone about why he's at her new home probably stung again.

 

You’re not wrong.  Becky Herbst is one of the reasons I watch this show.  

5 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Kristina is a bit old to develop bipolar affective disorder but what she did there was definitely lacking normal thought processes. I wonder if that's where they are going with this. (I'm not looking forward to it if they are.)

On the plus side, that's showgirl material. (I used to work with a colleague who was a former Vegas showgirl. The stories she told!)

It isn’t bipolar disorder. It’s just shitty writing.  I feel for the actors having to play the drivel written for them.

[ByaNose]

So do both Liz and Rick get injured? Just Liz with Lucky sitting by another hospital bedside? Will it be Rick where somehow Sonny will get his ❤️? Will Kristina continue to drive us insane and blame all of this on Ava? Tune in Monday for the continuing saga of As the Stomach Turns. IYKYN!

[ljr]

The plane they showed looked like a toy. Why bother?

[CeChase]

I can't stand Kristina, she's batshit.  But Ava should know better than to bait a batshit nutcase.  I wouldn't have even let her in, i would have called the police while she was banging on my door screaming let me in, like the crazy banshee she is. 

[rur]

There were two things said that others have taken issue with but had some truth in them:

Lulu had a bit of a point about the NY trip -- Lucky, have you actually checked out that New York hotel that you visited 20-something years ago? It probably wasn't an expensive hotel then, if you were staying there. It could be a fleabag now. (I've had a couple wicked surprises when booking a hotel in my home town that I remembered as being nice and discovering it had significantly changed. And that was after only 8 years or so had passed.)

Regardless of her motivation, Ava did speak some truth about Elizabeth. She was playing Rik to get the information she and Lucas wanted. Schemers recognize schemes. 

On another front, I have a little issue with Soliski: All of us who have attended Spy Show University know to leave a nearly invisible marker of some kind in the door to your apartment that will fall to the floor if someone enters without your knowledge. If Soliski was as careful as he was said to be, he would have done that and entered with his gun drawn. 

As ridiculous as Sonny looked, just lounging  there like he was holding the remote for the TV, I am glad that when he finally aimed the gun that he at least held it upright. That sideways gangsta stuff that he was doing for a while was just stupid. 

Edited March 29 by rur
duplication

[Bunnyto4]

12 hours ago, Suicidy 2.0 said:

This who,e storyline with the Quartermaine name, and Drew and this stupid property line thing is idiotic.  It literally makes me angry to listen to this nonsense.  None of this works this way and I feel dumber every time I have to listen to it.  
 

Also, can they just kill off Kristina?  The word “Ugh” comes out of my mouth whenever she comes in the screen.  Always screaming and botching.  NuNuLulu too.  They med to fix these characters or get rid of them.  NuNuLulu is repugnant, and it takes a lot to make a smoking hot chick like Alexa Havins unattractive.

Oh, and they can get rid of this city councilman asshole yesterday.  He pisses me off too.  Does anyone think he’s a good characters.

 

You’re not wrong.  Becky Herbst is one of the reasons I watch this show.  

It isn’t bipolar disorder. It’s just shitty writing.  I feel for the actors having to play the drivel written for them.

It seems to be contagious. I was hate watching Y&R because the writing has deteriorated so badly, until it got to the point where it isn't even amusing anymore.

Now I've reached that point with GH. I don't see any way for Sonny to be redeemed-his hateful behavior just becomes more and more offensive to viewers-at least this viewer-and don't get me started on Kristina. I am sorry to see JPS go though. 

[dubbel zout]

15 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

She's jealous because Ric and Nikolas are both idiots.

Ava is also an idiot for continuing to get involved with idiotic men. Her track record is not great, Bob.

[Winston Wolfe]

On 3/27/2025 at 8:43 PM, Cheyanne11 said:

Brick looked absolutely ridiculous in that lavender suit--and the notion that he actually thought he was romancing Jordan is laughable.  I cannot believe this show is still trying to make SAS happen.  

As a die-hard sports fan, the fact that SAS even EXISTS annoys the Hell out of me. But the petty, jealous comment Brick made about Gannon's family in front of Jordan was pure Punk-ass.

[Bringonthedrama]

15 hours ago, Artsda said:

So the plan was to just bulldoze the crypt and decimate remains? Disgusting and what political people would say this is good idea?

 

The city employee (?) who walked away, refusing to do the job after Trina mentioned bodies in there, caught my attention. "Mausoleum" is etched into the front of the building and there have been numerous mentions of "crypt" - does he not understand what these words mean? 

Inexperienced. short-sighted political people with an agenda who only care about sticking it to those they think have wronged them or are beneath them.

[Winston Wolfe]

21 hours ago, JMO said:

Finally, in what was perhaps the most remarkable scene of the episode----Jane Elliot went directly from a standing position to sitting cross-legged on the ground, with nary a grunt or a groan.  My Queen.

Nice catch. Besides being the Grand Dame and resident Fashion Plate of GH, it wouldn't surprise me if JE attends regular Pilates classes too.

Edited March 29 by Winston Wolfe

[lala2]

23 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

The city employee (?) who walked away, refusing to do the job after Trina mentioned bodies in there, caught my attention. "Mausoleum" is etched into the front of the building and there have been numerous mentions of "crypt" - does he not understand what these words mean? 

Inexperienced. short-sighted political people with an agenda who only care about sticking it to those they think have wronged them or are beneath them.

Maybe he assumed the bodies had been removed. That’s what I would assume if I was asked to bulldoze a crypt! Upon learning there were still remains in there, he rightfully walked away. 

This story is lame. 
 

 

[absnow54]

14 hours ago, nilyank said:

So Lucky said that he want to leave Aiden with Laura even though he was old enough to stay by himself for a couple of days, I laughed that Aiden is old enough to live on his own and finish up going to graduate school.

Grad school? Kid is old enough to be a tenured professor!

[Bringonthedrama]

9 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

Grad school? Kid is old enough to be a tenured professor!

Oh come on, I don't think he looks that old! The Aiden character will turn 15 this summer. The Aiden actor is 22 or maybe 23 now and unfortunately looks the same age if not older than his character's eldest brother, Cameron/actor Will Lipton. I don't know why the Show decided to cast a 20-something actor to play a character 8 years younger. In that time of life, the age discrepancy is very obvious.

[KittyQ]

40 minutes ago, lala2 said:

Maybe he assumed the bodies had been removed. That’s what I would assume if I was asked to bulldoze a crypt! Upon learning there were still remains in there, he rightfully walked away. 

This story is lame. 
 

 

The story is lame and stretches credibility.

Anyway, I wonder if the worker also considered that someone as weaselly as the councilman (and Drew) would shift the blame onto the worker (or his company) for destroying remains if it all came out. Tracy would be sure to publicize it.

[dubbel zout]

The story was vaguely amusing to me in a very petty way when Drew first threatened to move the crypt, but it's become ridiculous with his numerous, failed attempts. What's next, he's going to sledgehammer the thing to dust himself? Dude, find another way to seek your vengeance. 

[Pingaponga]

Why did I think only part of the crypt was on public lands? And if so, does the city really need to demolish the whole building? If it is on public land, why wouldn't you take it down from the public side?

Also, when the plane was flying to Toronto, why was it flying over land? Was it going around the lake instead of across it?

I'm overthinking this, aren't I?

[tessabq]

7 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

Why did I think only part of the crypt was on public lands? And if so, does the city really need to demolish the whole building? If it is on public land, why wouldn't you take it down from the public side?

Also, when the plane was flying to Toronto, why was it flying over land? Was it going around the lake instead of across it?

I'm overthinking this, aren't I?

You are definitely putting more thought into it than the writers are. 

[Suicidy 2.0]

5 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

As a die-hard sports fan, the fact that SAS even EXISTS annoys the Hell out of me. But the petty, jealous comment Brick made about Gannon's family in front of Jordan was pure Punk-ass.

Especially considering that Gannon saved Sony’s life, and also the lives of others that Sonny cares about.  It was a really classless thing for Brick to say.

On 3/27/2025 at 1:55 PM, ulkis said:

Can Jordan tell Brick Isaiah and his family could have a puppy fight club, and it won't make her want Brick?

Maybe they maintain a YouTube channel that features epic kitten battles?

 

I would watch that.

 

 

Edited March 29 by Suicidy 2.0

[Suicidy 2.0]

On 3/28/2025 at 12:32 PM, GHScorpiosRule said:

Good on Lucky!!!!! Tell that twaddletwat to mind her own bidnez.

Good Lord. Did that idiot cut the brake lines of Elizabeth's car?!!!!!

 

Won't happen. Alexis is too busy coddling her.

I’m shocked that the ditz even knows how to FIND the brake lines at all.

[Suicidy 2.0]

On 3/28/2025 at 2:01 PM, KittyQ said:

How convenient for Kristina that someone left some (car prowl?) tools hanging about.  I can't find things that easily in my own garage! 

I'd like to know how Kristina plans to "fix" her mistake. If it could be "solved" by calling Ava, it would have been better to call from wherever she was and using someone else's phone, since Ava wouldn't want to answer Kristina's calls. 

Or just send her a text.

[statsgirl]

8 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Inexperienced. short-sighted political people with an agenda who only care about sticking it to those they think have wronged them or are beneath them.

You've just described most of my Twitter feed.

[ByaNose]

7 hours ago, Suicidy 2.0 said:

Or just send her a text.

Facts.

So, so dumb. I’m curious to see how it plays out. What happens to Ric, Liz and that Manila envelope. Will it end up in the wrong hands? I wonder if we could get  Kristina to jump in front of the car to stop Ric? No such luck. Until Monday. 

[Bunnyto4]

19 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

As a die-hard sports fan, the fact that SAS even EXISTS annoys the Hell out of me. But the petty, jealous comment Brick made about Gannon's family in front of Jordan was pure Punk-ass.

Apparently he confused Kai with Bronny. 😉 IYKYK
 

[Artsda]

On 3/28/2025 at 10:28 PM, nilyank said:

So Lucky said that he want to leave Aiden with Laura even though he was old enough to stay by himself for a couple of days, I laughed that Aiden is old enough to live on his own and finish up going to graduate school.

Lucky also doesn't have much credibility to even make that suggestion at this point.  Liz has been single mother doing nurses shift for how long? These kids have known to be on their own. 

 

[GHScorpiosRule]

8 hours ago, ByaNose said:

Facts.

So, so dumb. I’m curious to see how it plays out. What happens to Ric, Liz and that Manila envelope. Will it end up in the wrong hands? I wonder if we could get  Kristina to jump in front of the car to stop Ric? No such luck. Until Monday. 

Ric left the envelope at Ava’s as he rushed out to Elizabeth.

[ciarra]

And could they find a better way to indicate car crashes, other than suddenly jerking the camera to the side?  It's not supposed to make me laugh.

[Suicidy 2.0]

On 3/29/2025 at 8:50 AM, Bunnyto4 said:

It seems to be contagious. I was hate watching Y&R because the writing has deteriorated so badly, until it got to the point where it isn't even amusing anymore.

Now I've reached that point with GH. I don't see any way for Sonny to be redeemed-his hateful behavior just becomes more and more offensive to viewers-at least this viewer-and don't get me started on Kristina. I am sorry to see JPS go though. 

He was featured in the credits though.  So I’m not so sure he’s really gone.

[nilyank]

38 minutes ago, Suicidy 2.0 said:

He was featured in the credits though.  So I’m not so sure he’s really gone.

He was featured only for the episodes that he was in recently. He most likely just stopped by to do a few eps to wrap up Valentin's storyline for a bit until he is available again to come back.

[ByaNose]

9 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Ric left the envelope at Ava’s as he rushed out to Elizabeth.

Thanks. I must have missed it. 

[30 Helens]

On 3/28/2025 at 2:14 PM, Bringonthedrama said:

Kristina's an idiot. In a residential parking lot, you can't assume that the car you're looking at must be that resident's. After all this time, she doesn't know Ava's car?

Well, the space did have a name tag helpfully bolted to the wall, as all security-conscious buildings do.

On 3/28/2025 at 9:11 PM, sashabear21 said:

Were Ric and Elizabeth driving down a mountain or in some other scenario wherein stepping off the accelerator wouldn't at least slow the car down? 

I love how PC is this giant city, yet nobody has to drive anywhere because all locations are about a block apart. (No wonder Kristina has never seen Ava’s car! Or her sister’s father’s car!) But on the rare occasion someone does get behind the wheel, they can’t get from point A to B without first driving down some deserted country road. Preferably in the middle of the night.

I would love to see a map of this illogical wormhole of a town.

[Bringonthedrama]

8 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Well, the space did have a name tag helpfully bolted to the wall, as all security-conscious buildings do.

Lol.  I saw that. My point is that I live in an apartment building as well and I have a reserved parking space, too. I have let my mother use my parking space when she visits. Lucas could have parked there at Ava's request while Kristina was screaming at her and come up in a second elevator as she was leaving so they never saw each other.  Or it could be some lazy stranger who just wanted to park close to the building quickly and didn't worry about getting towed because they didn't intend to be there long. You just never know. 

[dubbel zout]

Ric parked in Ava's reserved spot because he didn't want to park on the street, heh. So Ava ended up there, but I don't quite get the time line—wasn't Ava was already home when Ric showed up?

Edited March 31 by dubbel zout

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Ric parked in Ava's reserved spot because he didn't want to park on the street, heh. So Ava ended up there, but I don't quite get the time line—wasn't Ava was already home when Ric showed up?

No. Ric was at Ava's when she came home and then pointed out how she had to park on the street because he parked in her space.