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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Diane and Robert delightedly saying "and dessert!" to each other made me feel nauseous. 

I'll never understand why the show insists on writing adults as middle schoolers.

Sam, while you self-flagellate about not getting tested earlier, maybe think that if Jason hadn't gone to Africa to find Lucky, Lucky wouldn't be in Port Charles with his family.

If Cody wants a loan to buy his childhood home, he needs to be the one to ask for it, not Sasha. If it's that important to him, he'll get the nerve to ask for the money. I hate how Tracy made it all about Sasha being some Q peon, but she's not wrong that Sasha shouldn't be asking her employers for a giant chunk of change for someone else.

I should be in a rage blackout that Sasha and Holly are mother and daughter, but I'm not. It's so lazy of the writers to do this. They never follow through in any meaningful way after the initial bomb gets dropped. I hope someone reads Holly the riot act for keeping two children a secret from their father(s). To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, keeping one child a secret may be regarded as a misfortune; to keep both a secret looks like carelessness. Holly sucks.

At any rate, making Sasha Holly's daughter/a Scorpio doesn't make her more interesting to me. It feels like the show is making this connection in desperation to keep Holly relevant. That train sailed years ago for me.

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2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

How old is Sasha supposed to be? Because you know, Robert was "dead" between 1992-2006, when he turned up alive. So the time Sasha was conceived, what? Did Robert send his sperm from "heaven" or wherever his supposed body was? 

 

I have no trouble believing Sasha is over 32, so this isn't an issue.  

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CeChase

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If Luke is Sasha's father, there would be no reason for Holly to freak out over Sasha and Cody.  They would not be related.  So either Robert is her father, or Holly doesn't know if the father is Luke or Robert, but both are possibilities.  Holly is no stranger to hoeing so who knows.   *it's a compliment guys!  I consider "she's a hoe" to be one of the finest compliments.  lol

To other issues.  Okay, so I actually feel Tracy was right.  Sasha really has no business asking Michael for money, I'm sorry.  It's very pushy and grasping.  Now, Tracy didn't have to say "know your place" a phrase that makes my skin crawl, but she isn't wrong in her main point.   Sasha came onto the show running a con on an incredibly wealthy woman (Nina), so her being Holly's daughter has possibilities.   Maybe Sasha still got that con in her, right?   I'm not mad about this, it's more interesting than watching Kristina and her tiresome angst, or Anna crying again.  

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

12 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

At any rate, making Sasha Holly's daughter/a Scorpio doesn't make her more interesting to me. It feels like the show is making this connection in desperation to keep Holly relevant. That train sailed years ago for me.

I think that the only interesting thing coming with making Sasha Holly's daughter and maybe a Scorpio is that it will involve a lot of characters in the Sidwell is coming to PC storyline. It will be more than the four characters who were with him originally.

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GHScorpiosRule

GHScorpiosRule

12 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I have no trouble believing Sasha is over 32, so this isn't an issue. 

 

2 hours ago, CeChase said:

So either Robert is her father, or Holly doesn't know if the father is Luke or Robert,

Except that Robert and Anna were involved/engaged ONSCREEN at the time Sasha was supposedly conceived. Korte and the other assholes are too lazy to even think about anything that would make sense. It would be a different matter if Robert wasn't onscreen/on the show at the time.

So I'm not okay with any of this fucking bullshit, or the bullshit coming out of Mac's mouth about how Robert and Holly ran cons when they were together. The FUCK? But that mob mouthpiece is "perfect" for him? GTFOOHWTN.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

10 hours ago, ciarra said:

Sam: "Terry, this has to be a secret that I'm a match.  Don't tell anyone!"

3 seconds later

Sam: "Dante, I'm the match for Lulu!"

To be fair, the three seconds later was after Sam knew the secondary screening confirmed she could be a donor. 

2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I think that the only interesting thing coming with making Sasha Holly's daughter and maybe a Scorpio is that it will involve a lot of characters in the Sidwell is coming to PC storyline. It will be more than the four characters who were with him originally.

I don't care about Sidwell, pace Carlo Rota. His scam isn't interesting to me—diamonds? zzzzz—and it's not going to be written with any creativity or wit.

43 minutes ago, VioletMarx said:

Can't wait until the beautiful moment when Lulu finally wakes up, looks into the loving eyes of her mother, brother and son and utters her first word in years:

"Carly?"

More likely it will be, "Cuz?" So we know how special the relationship is.

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Cheyanne11

Cheyanne11

21 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:
1 hour ago, VioletMarx said:

Can't wait until the beautiful moment when Lulu finally wakes up, looks into the loving eyes of her mother, brother and son and utters her first word in years:

"Carly?"

More likely it will be, "Cuz?" So we know how special the relationship is.

"How long have I been unconscious?  But, wait, more importantly: how's Joss?"

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't care about Sidwell, pace Carlo Rota. His scam isn't interesting to me—diamonds? zzzzz—and it's not going to be written with any creativity or wit.

It's a given that whatever the writers come up with will be a dud. Sidwell will probably die when Jason dons the tightest black tee he can find in his drawer and kills him, thereby saving Port Charles from the great evil. Or Sidwell will die because a vase fell on his head. 

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StaceyNotStacie

StaceyNotStacie

13 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

They can't be planning on making Sasha Robert's kid can they? That's too gross. She and Cody would have the same grandfather. Only Bill Bell would try to pull that off.

I wonder if Holly either thinks Robert is her father or her father is someone super dangerous (like Sidwell) and she doesn’t want him to know about Sasha.  A DNA test could eventually prove that Robert isn’t her father. 

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mostlylurking

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On 10/16/2024 at 1:40 PM, tessaray said:

At least Danny and Scout are Monica's grandkids. I love Laura but am still shaking my head at Ace being there. 

I also love Laura. Genie and Jonathan knocked it out of the park last week in the chapel. I sobbed right along with them. But let’s be honest - Laura and Luke weren’t ever in line for parent of the year.  It was funny when she was talking to Lucky and said that most parents would be nervous wrecks letting their eleven year old child navigate the world alone for weeks but they were just like “meh.  He’ll be ok.”

I don’t know why they didn’t let Sam die while diving to find the gun.

I hate both Sonny and Portia acting all put upon about being accountable for their misdeeds when you know…..they are both guilty!!  They actually committed the crimes so coming forward isn’t exactly a noble act.  Ugh.  This show.

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GHScorpiosRule

GHScorpiosRule

1 minute ago, mostlylurking said:

Laura and Luke weren’t ever in line for parent of the year.  It was funny when she was talking to Lucky and said that most parents would be nervous wrecks letting their eleven year old child navigate the world alone for weeks but they were just like “meh.  He’ll be ok.”

Yes, because they were on the run with a baby/child and taught him to survive. She admitted he didn't have a traditional childhood, but because of the life they did have and what they taught him, she knew and Luke knew, he'd be okay until they would meet up again.

And now it's been a FUCKING WEEK with no Lucky. And he's STILL not in the credits.

This Sasha being Robert's spawn I'll have to wave off like how many had to wave off Erica's aborted fetus turning up as an adult on All My Children. Or Jake being alive after his organs were harvested.

Both Robert and Tristan DESERVE Better.

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mostlylurking

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24 minutes ago, StaceyNotStacie said:

They can't be planning on making Sasha Robert's kid can they? That's too gross. She and Cody would have the same grandfather. Only Bill Bell would try to pull that off.

Wouldn’t they actually be first cousins??  Robert and Mac are brothers and if Sasha is Robert’s kid and Cody is Mac’s they would be first cousins.  I’m glad Emma Samms is well enough to work sporadically enough to keep her SAG card or whatever but I’m sorry, Holly has run her course for me.  I don’t care about her, her tired ass cons or her random kids.

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

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31 minutes ago, StaceyNotStacie said:

I wonder if Holly either thinks Robert is her father 

Yes. But "your father was presumed dead" and "Scorpios have enemies" may be the lamest excuses for keeping this secret, that the GH writers have ever created. @GHScorpiosRule She didn't want to just show up with a child and acknowledge to Robert that she had betrayed/lied to him, the way Anna did with Robin. And Sasha just never bothered to mention she has a brother who's also the brother of Michael and Josslyn's cousins. Okay, Show.

Tracy's hostility toward Holly is a beautiful thing!

I think this is the first time Sam and Rocco have spoken to each other directly on-screen? The hug was sweet. Poor little Scout wanting to plan a party for after Mommy has surgery.  I guess "day after tomorrow" means Sam dies sometime next week. 

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LexieLily

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Obviously the writers forgot that they had Sasha's DNA tested against Mac's (Sasha swapped Cody's sample with hers) and it showed no familial match. If she is Robert's that makes her Mac's niece.

(On the plus side, Sasha is already better for Robin as a "long-lost secret sibling" than Peterich....)

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statsgirl

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So Holly had and raised two secret children without telling their fathers?  Mother of the year, that one.

This is all so stupid. There is a lot of drama to be mined from Sam dying while donating a part of her liver to Lulu; there is very little drama from finding out that Sasha is Robert's daughter. Very few people care about Sasha/Cody so even few will care if they're not together and Robin isn't on screen to react to getting a new sister.

Why was Holly looking around the Quartermaine mansion as if she'd never been there before?

The only way I can tell Danny and Rocco apart is that Rocco, son of blonde Lulu, has dark hair while Danny, son of dark-haired Sam and Jason, has lifgter hair.

Seeing Kristina lose brain cells while I watch is not entertaining.

"Molly I will never forgive your sister." Shut up TJ and Molly. Shut up.

12 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Obviously the writers forgot that they had Sasha's DNA tested against Mac's (Sasha swapped Cody's sample with hers) and it showed no familial match. If she is Robert's that makes her Mac's niece.

And the DNA tests should have shown that.

This wins the board today.

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threebluestars

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I still can't figure out how they managed to renovate and rotate the house lol.

I still think it would have been better if Sasha was Holly's "daughter' in the sense of they played mother and daughter for cons and they aren't actually related - or perhaps related by adoption.

Someone on the writing team really loves incest stories, even if some of them are by marriage.

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statsgirl

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6 minutes ago, JMO said:

If that's Lulu in the hospital bed, is anyone else worried about that pulse rate of 40 and BP of 56/38?  No wonder the poor thing can't wake up.

Portia did say yesterday that Lulu is going downhill and even if they find a match it may be too late.  Dum, dum, dum dum...

I work with newcomers and some of them are married to first cousins.  It's a cultural thing, and their offspring are fine. So I'm not going to get too shocked at Sasha and Cody being together.

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GHScorpiosRule

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One thing I  forgot to mention, which I thought was so stupid:

Portia addressing Elizabeth as "Nurse Baldwin" when trying to assert her...authority as Co-Chief of Staff?

  • Steve never addressed Jesse or Bobbie as "Nurse Brewer" or "Nurse Spencer/Jones" etc. or Amy as "Nurse Vining"
  • Alan never addressed Jesse or Bobbie like that either; or any of the other nurses on staff
  • Monica never addressed Jesse, Bobbie, or Epiphany in that pretentious manner

It's only Portia. It sounds ridiculous and it is ridiculous.

I'mmajustgonnawatchthiscliptokeepmysanity:

 

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

12 minutes ago, JMO said:

This will be how Mac finds out he was adopted.  

I imagine this as the narrator's voice on Arrested Development. Mac is Gob.

41 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Obviously the writers forgot that they had Sasha's DNA tested against Mac's (Sasha swapped Cody's sample with hers) and it showed no familial match. If she is Robert's that makes her Mac's niece.

 

You can tell that they don't have storyboards and that they just fly by the seam of their pants. I bet they made the decision when they asked ES back.

And who the hell is Nana? Does Holly's mother live in the US? 

Holly has got to be the worst parent on GH.

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GHScorpiosRule

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4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I work with newcomers and some of them are married to first cousins.  It's a cultural thing, and their offspring are fine. So I'm not going to get too shocked at Sasha and Cody being together.

Yeah, well, Port Charles ain't the U.K. or the Royal Family. So this is just ick!ick!ick! to me. Hell, even Fallon was grossed out when she realized Adam* was her brother and thank goodness she didn't boink him on Dynasty.

*Of course turned out he wasn't and Blake adopted him later, but STILL.

Daisy

Daisy

31 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Yeah, well, Port Charles ain't the U.K. or the Royal Family. So this is just ick!ick!ick! to me. Hell, even Fallon was grossed out when she realized Adam* was her brother and thank goodness she didn't boink him on Dynasty.

 

I get what you mean but 26 out of 50 states and Canada it is legal too. It wouldn't be my go to but apparently it's more common than we think. 

I just remember how in Salem at one point everyone was dating someone they were related to. I honestly think they don't care

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GHScorpiosRule

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2 minutes ago, jsbt said:

Are they trying to say Robert cheated on Anna back in '92?? LOL okay. All this for Sasha?

I pointed this out up thread too! That if she was conceived before Robert and Anna-who I can't recall if they got married, but do know they were engaged to be-so it's all BULLSHIT. And if it happened after, well, they were "blown up" so where did Holly get Robert's sperm from?

I'm with you there-All for the blandest bland that ever blanded? I'd rather see her boink Mooby out of her grief over Brandon's death.

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jsbt

jsbt

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29 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I pointed this out up thread too! That if she was conceived before Robert and Anna-who I can't recall if they got married, but do know they were engaged to be-so it's all BULLSHIT. And if it happened after, well, they were "blown up" so where did Holly get Robert's sperm from?

She told Sasha that when she got pregnant she thought Robert was dead. idk when else it could be unless Holly pulled an Adam Chandler at the sperm bank, as you say. Which I wouldn't put past her, but which would be a terrible, ruinous idea for the character nonetheless.

Also, again: Holly was onscreen for what, almost all of 1992 to the summer of '93? When did she carry a child?? This Is the same nonsense as Dominique and Mac; there was no viable interval because the character was onscreen. Unless she jacked some of that Scorpio jizz on the way outta town!

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jsbt

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Honestly though, as stupid as making Sasha Holly's (or Robert's!) is, right now I'm 50/50 that Holly is straight up lying to Sasha about her father for her own reasons. Maybe she doesn't want Cody with her daughter for another purpose, because who exactly would they be pairing either of these two with (despite my Cody/Tracy dreams from the PM era) unless this is short term angst? What is the upshot?

This would also allow them to once again cement the odious pairing of Robert and Diane by painting Holly as the forever deceiver.

There is also the fact that (forgive me if this has been mentioned) Sasha swapped in her own hair sample to mask Cody's DNA connection to Mac. Yet Sasha's showed no Scorpio DNA.

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Don't know if it was scripted or not, but when Sam whispered "I love you guys" during the group hung and Dante pulled her in and kissed her head, it seemed like the emotions got real with the actors saying goodbye and I felt a pang. 

I was trying to decide who I hate more today and it was a heated competition... Holly! No, Kristina!! No, Molly!! No, TJ!!! I was even hating on Alexis. I don't believe she really thinks Ava pushed Kristina but she is all in for Ava goining to jail for it to the point of leaning on Jordan. 

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tessaray

tessaray

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2 hours ago, JMO said:

If that's Lulu in the hospital bed, is anyone else worried about that pulse rate of 40 and BP of 56/38?  No wonder the poor thing can't wake up.

I wondered about that too. They implied that the first respirator was inexplicably defective and now the second one might be off? I wouldn't object to an angel of death story but they're not very good at juggling multiple major storylines.

I've read too many historical novels to be upset about Cody and Sasha. They can just move to California and live happily ever after. 

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Daisy

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35 minutes ago, tessaray said:

I've read too many historical novels to be upset about Cody and Sasha. They can just move to California and live happily ever after. 

Forget that - just move to Salem. like there was a time that everyone was dating their aunt/cousin/half whatever and it just got to the point where - they [the writers] didn't care so there really just was no more point in stressing about it.  (actually there was the whole Natalie/Jared storyline (OLTL) and she thought Jared was her uncle and she still wanted to jump his bones until Jared was like yeah I'm just fooling then they screwed like bunnies). Soap Writers really like the Flowers in the Atticness of it i guess. 

but for the life of me this annoys me because this is basically 

"We need to make everyone BE someone/connected to history on the show" and
"Let's make Holly mean something."

The time to do that was with Ethan who logically that made a lot more sense than Sasha but Show decided to appease Geary vs using logical sense then. it makes less sense now. Like not everyone needs to be related to someone on the show. And what frustrates me to no end is that Sasha really just shoulda been Nina's if they had to go there

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tessaray

tessaray

3 minutes ago, Daisy said:

"We need to make everyone BE someone/connected to history on the show" and
"Let's make Holly mean something."

The time to do that was with Ethan who logically that made a lot more sense than Sasha but Show decided to appease Geary vs using logical sense then. it makes less sense now. Like not everyone needs to be related to someone on the show. And what frustrates me to no end is that Sasha really just shoulda been Nina's if they had to go there

I must have misinterpreted the writers intent because I thought making Sasha a Scorpio was their attempt to make her relevant. 🙂

Totally agree that Sasha as Nina's daughter would have been so much better. 

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