Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[absnow54]

Sonny’s reaction to Lois’s lie was hilariously self centered. “Oh, when Gio was born, you didn’t know he was my grandson? What’s the problem, then, if you weren’t lying to me?” Like who cares about Dante and Gio. 

15 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I loved Nina figuring out that it was Michael that Sasha slept with. You go, girl.

For some reason, this reveal wasn’t on my radar. I loved Nina’s realization clicking into place. 

[Cheyanne11]

7 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

Sonny’s reaction to Lois’s lie was hilariously self centered.

I'm reminded of a Bette Midler line from "Beaches:" "Enough about me, let's talk about you.  What do you think about me?"

[StaceyNotStacie]

56 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

Sonny’s reaction to Lois’s lie was hilariously self centered. “Oh, when Gio was born, you didn’t know he was my grandson? What’s the problem, then, if you weren’t lying to me?” Like who cares about Dante and Gio. 

For some reason, this reveal wasn’t on my radar. I loved Nina’s realization clicking into place. 

Part of me thinks that Sonny has so much on his plate between his health, the pier stuff and Michael’s return that he will just let everyone else deal with Lois and he will step in with Dante and Gio after things calm down.  

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, TVbitch said:

The way Lois contorts her face reminds me of another OTT "no tears" crier...

 Come ON, NOW! Don't be usin' me Lucy!!!!

[ciarra]

Did anyone tell Nina yet?   Because Lois insisted Nina had to be outed as the SEC whistleblower.  Something like, "How do you like truth-telling now?".

[YaddaYadda]

The show was good once again.

Yes, I noticed yesterday that Rena Sofer cannot cry for shit. 

And I'm finding it really hard to stay in the moment with BLQ's distracting outfit and those fringes on her sleeve. Whoever thought that tux was a good idea, well it's fucking distracting.

I like Gio and Emma together. They spent enough time together that I can buy whatever is going on between them right now.

I felt sorry for Ned.

Tracy being kind is always a bit shocking, but somehow manages to feel in character.

I'm shocked that someone figured out that Sasha and Michael exchanged cooties. Least of all Nina. But the timeline they gave for this is also that Sasha and Michael, and Drew and Willow, got gross together a day apart.

And while I think Sasha is off her goddamn rocker these days, Sofia Matheson has just the dewiest, shiniest skin ever and I hate her (well I don't. But I do).

Edited May 29 by YaddaYadda

[Cheyanne11]

Nina putting the pieces together about Sasha's pregnancy was great.  Not sure how it's going to be weaponized, but it's high time THAT nugget got out in the open.  

Oh, Olivia, you never disappoint!  And by that I mean you were as shriek-y and judgmental as I expected.  Of course you would think every teenager should just embrace an accidental pregnancy because you did.

WK was an MVP today.  His scenes with RS (less said about her the better, but *insert Dawson Leery crying meme) were outstanding and I look forward to him with AS tomorrow.

The hightlight of the day though was Drew trying to strong-arm Mac and getting his ass handed to him.  L-O-L!

Michael immediately bending the knee to Carly.  Crosses off "Michael reset" from my wish list.  Same old wimp.

Edited May 29 by Cheyanne11

[Bringonthedrama]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Dante to Gio: You're confused and angry. I'm confused and angry too. (Me: wow Dante, you found out that you have a son but Gio got his whole life blown apart. Your reaction is almost Lulu levels of self-absorption.)

I didn't hear it as self-absorption; more like Dante saying, hey I have some understanding of how you're feeling because I had no idea I even had another son like you had no idea you had living parents. Please let's talk.

They both just found out that three people (four if you count the late Camila) they've known and trusted their entire lives lied to them and never let them know of their true relationship despite many, many opportunities to tell the truth and knowing that Gio became an orphan when Camila died.

Dante and Gio have both correctly interpreted Brook Lynn and Lois/Gloria's handling of the pregnancy and birth as shrouded in shame and desire for cover up as if Brook Lynn gave birth in 1963 instead of 2003. Dante and Gio both thought they were loved and valued by the Cerullos; this revelation blows that perception to hell. Even today, Brook Lynn's attitude toward Dante is well I'm sorry but not really because I made the best choice I could, you weren't ready to be a father were you and we weren't in a committed relationship.

So while Gio is certainly feeling more devastated, Dante feeling devastated is also understandable.

[Grinaldi]

41 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

BLQ's distracting outfit

Yes watching her play out these scenes (and killing it) in a bedazzled David Byrne suit has been a little silly.

[Sake614]

21 minutes ago, Grinaldi said:

Yes watching her play out these scenes (and killing it) in a bedazzled David Byrne suit has been a little silly.

I didn’t think it could be any uglier than it was. I was wrong…

[Daisy]

44 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

So while Gio is certainly feeling more devastated, Dante feeling devastated is also understandable.

yeah there's a lot of "my body my choice" going on right now because Dante's hurt and i'm not even going to hash it but i think how Dante articulated his feelings today made sense. BLQ took away his choices. 

I don't think though hey treated the adoption as Shame, BLQ wanted a closed adoption and didn't want people to know she' was pregnant. i think mostly for the fact of what Olivia did today. "we all coulda raised the baby, bruh." she didn't want that.  Lois/Gloria/Camilla treated it as a big ole secret i think mostly because of timing. Camilla adopts a baby just as BLQ ditches one, i think her eyebrow would have been raised. so i get the secret  and while I think Gio should have been told [obviously] - i don't know if not being told is good/bad. (it's clearly bad for gio etc) but i just mean. I don't know. all the adopted people i know were in open adoptions. not closed. 

and i don't know if i had a closed adoption what I would do (if i am being dead honest) with you. not to keep it secret out of shame. but mostly because like you are MY  kid. i may not have carried you but you're mine. why even bother. but it's easy for me to say that NOT being in that situation, ya ken my meaning?

[Artsda]

Maxie couldn't go the ball, but can show up for Nina at bar now? 

Brooklyn condones her lies just like her mother.  Whatever they decide. Too much time passed, I was teenager, excuses after excuses. 

Lois sure has a bag of excuses, she did what she thought was best for everyone. Gio loved Camilla , Sonny has too much on his plate,  Brooklyn didn't want anyone to know. While claiming the Quartermaines are bad lying people. Those people and their assets have let Lois and Gio live there. 

Lois controlled Sonny getting to share be in Gios life but none of the Quartermaines got that. So of course mobster Sonny just is ok with Lois lies. 

Olivia should have slapped Lois. I need someone to slap her. 

Whose choices was Lois respecting? She told Olivia. Not Brooklyn's. 

Tracy has no right telling Dante he can't be mad at Brooklyn. She lied to his face for decades. He has a right. 

Good for Diane telling Michael the truth. 

I like new Michael better.  I want Willow to see who she chose over her kids, Michael to get the kids, but I really wouldn't mind Sasha and her lies being outted since she's been so hypocritical over Willow. 

Michael better offer Willow alternative weekends and 2 weeks in the summer. 

[Sake614]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Nina putting the pieces together about Sasha's pregnancy was great.  Not sure how it's going to be weaponized, but it's high time THAT nugget got out in the open.  

Same way Jake’s paternity was weaponized by Ric..on the witness stand. She’ll either have to perjure herself or admit that Michael is the father. Sasha should’ve just stuck with her ‘I got drunk and fucked some rando, now I’m knocked up’ story instead of having Jason pretend to be the father. She has no one to blame but herself.

Edited May 29 by Sake614

[JMO]

Largely because he's so rarely on and poorly used, Ned can be very one-note.  But he's brought it these last two episodes.  WK knows that a character doesn't have to be explosive in a crisis moment; he can just be quietly angry, sad, hurt, worried.  Much appreciated.

Above all else, Gio needs a hug.  Or, more accurately, I need to have someone give Gio a hug. Someone. Anyone.  At this point, I don't care who does it, or even if he seems too prickly for it.  The boy needs a hug.

[FilmTVGeek80]

4 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Dante to Gio: You're confused and angry. I'm confused and angry too. (Me: wow Dante, you found out that you have a son but Gio got his whole life blown apart. Your reaction is almost Lulu levels of self-absorption.)

I loved Nina figuring out that it was Michael that Sasha slept with. You go, girl. Maxie is right, telling Willow that Nina and Drew were sleeping together is too risky, she's so brainwashed she would blame Nina for seducing pure, upright Drew.

GH law, where you can get an emergency court order taking away the custody of the children who with their mother without letting her know so that she can argue her rights in front of the judge. What reason did Diane have for taking emergency custody?

 

I don’t think Dante was coming at it from a selfish place. He wasn’t trying equate the levels of pain they’re feeling. I think he was trying to empathize with Gio by saying “I get how you’re feeling because I’ve been lied to as well.”

I did not see someone figuring out the Sasha baby lie so soon. So glad Nina put it together and love the look on her face. Despite her relationship with Sasha, I hope Nina keeps this information to use at the custody case. Just like Michael wanted to blindside Willow over the level of his recovery, they should wait to weaponize this secret so Michael and Sasha don’t have time to concoct a cover story.

I’ve seen a lot of dumb GH custody cases with no basis in reality but this is starting to feel like one of the worst. Judges in this custody case are making decisions on whims and basically granting the request of whoever comes to them first. There is no logical reason Carly, the grandmother was given emergency custody a couple of months ago. Though GH law couldn’t even decide then who had custody because Tracy kept refusing to hand over the kids, including to Carly. Now Michael randomly gets some emergency order for custody. Drew asked on what grounds, but Mac didn’t answer probably because the show couldn’t come up with any reason that made sense so they didn’t bother with a reason.

What’s even stupider about this story is the whole reason Sasha and Michael broke up and Willow and Michael even got together was because Michael was struggling to win a custody case against Nelle. Diane kept insisting his only shot was marrying an upstanding citizen. So, apparently Nelle a sociopath who left Michael to burn alive in a car had a better chance at custody than Willow does for cheating on her husband.

2 hours ago, ciarra said:

Did anyone tell Nina yet?   Because Lois insisted Nina had to be outed as the SEC whistleblower.  Something like, "How do you like truth-telling now?".

I’ve been fantasizing about a scene like that. I doubt it will happen since Nina and Lois rarely interact, but Lois deserves it. She got all up on her high horse insisting that it was so wrong that people were lying to Sonny about something important and that she couldn’t live with keeping the secret. All the while she’s lying to him about something so life-changing.

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Nina putting the pieces together about Sasha's pregnancy was great.  Not sure how it's going to be weaponized, but it's high time THAT nugget got out in the open.  

Oh, Olivia, you never disappoint!  And by that I mean you were as shriek-y and judgmental as I expected.  Of course you would think every teenager should just embrace an accidental pregnancy because you 

Michael immediately bending the knee to Carly.  Crosses off "Michael reset" from my wish list.  Same old wimp.

That was so disappointing with Michael. I didn’t think he’d be mad forever, but not a shred of even slight annoyance at his mother fighting his battles for him. Carly’s giddy happiness at having all her children under one roof was so grating and puke worthy. 

[ciarra]

17 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

And while I think Sasha is off her goddamn rocker these days, Sofia Matheson has just the dewiest, shiniest skin ever

It's all that Deception product.  Just like if I wear Cover Girl makeup, I'm going to be mistaken for Christie Brinkley.

Edited May 29 by ciarra

[statsgirl]

I understand

2 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

So while Gio is certainly feeling more devastated, Dante feeling devastated is also understandable.

Totally understandable that Dante is feeling thunderstruck. He would be even more affected than Olivia who certainly voiced her feelings.

But Dante doesn't get what Gio is feeling, doesn't get that his whole life is blown up and he has nothing left to hang on to any more, not even his association with Camilla's music  "the biggest lie of all" as he said. Right now Gio needs people who will put him first and Dante isn't doing that. He's still too much in his own feelings rather than Gio's. 

1 hour ago, Artsda said:

Lois controlled Sonny getting to share be in Gios life but none of the Quartermaines got that. So of course mobster Sonny just is ok with Lois lies. 

I missed that but you're right, Lois brought Sonny into Gio's life but kept the Quartermaines, even Ned, out of it.

I am so tired of Lois' "Sonny-good, Quartermaines-bad" hypocrisy.

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

Same way Jake’s paternity was weaponized by Ric..on the witness stand. She’ll either have to perjure herself or admit that Michael is the father. Sasha should’ve just stuck with her ‘I got drunk and fucked some rando, now I’m knocked up’ story instead of having Jason pretend to be the father. She has no one to blame but herself.

No she can blame Cody's big fat mouth. He was the one who misinterpreted something he saw between Sasha and Jason. Instead of talking to her, he went around spreading the fact that Jason got Sasha pregnant. If it wasn't for him, people would have still believed that some random guy was the dad.

The plan was for a repeat of Jason and Sam falling for each other with a pregnant Sasha but they brought back Michael back. Jason is no longer needed for this part of the story now especially that Nina figured out the truth.

Considering how silly this child custody story has been so far, I wouldn't be surprised if Diane's dumb strategy is used again with Michael and Willow divorcing only to get Sasha/Michael and Drew/Willow married to look better in court.

Ridiculous. This is the easy case where it should be joint custody. I said that months ago when Willow tried to sneak out of the gatehouse when the video from the nanny cam was accidentally shown.

Move on silly show. 

9 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

But Dante doesn't get what Gio is feeling, doesn't get that his whole life is blown up and he has nothing left to hang on to any more, not even his association with Camilla's music  "the biggest lie of all" as he said. Right now Gio needs people who will put him first and Dante isn't doing that. He's still too much in his own feelings rather than Gio's. 

I mean Dante gets a little of what Gio is going through as he found out that Sonny was his Dad and that his mom lied to him all his life and still didn't tell him anything as he went undercover to investigate Sonny and in the process got to know his father, siblings, cousin and other family members.

[KerleyQ]

Lois isn't exactly dripping in self-awareness, is she?  When she was going on about how the Q's would have taken over Gio's life, was she forgetting that she and her mother did exactly that instead? They decided he would go to a cousin so that they could keep him in the bosom of their family, so they could keep an eye on him and ensure his life was going how they wanted it to go. She has been everything she accuses the Q's of being. And I usually like RS, but she's been kind of off in the big reveal scenes and aftermath. Maybe she hates what Lois has become, too?  DZ, AS, WK, and, of course, JE, on the other hand, have all been excellent. 

I was surprised they had Nina figure that out so quickly. I can't wait for that secret to be busted wide open, because Sasha has been such a judgmental hypocrite. And Nina being the one to bust her, when she's always been so close to her, will be a nice little slap in the face. 

Welp, NuMichael has no spine when around his mother, so, no improvement there. What a disappointment that was. He specifically told Carly that he didn't want his kids to go through the custody bullshit he and his siblings went through, and she's been running around doing exactly that same bullshit while keeping him in the dark about it. He should be furious at her treating him like a child who can't make his own decisions and going against his clearly expressed wishes. It's like she was happy to take the opportunity to have him out of the way so she could do what she wanted despite his wishes. instead he's kissing her ass, telling her she did the right thing. 

[ciarra]

I want BLQ to forgive Lois never. 

BLQ's going to be mad for about a week, then get over it.

[Noneofyourbusiness]

On 5/27/2025 at 11:38 AM, Daisy said:

I have to say - something this show is really incredible is getting people who look like their parents. Rory Gibson/MIchael looks a lot like Stuart Damon in his early years (someone did comparison photos on Reddit)  as well as a spitting image of Wiley. Honestly.  i really do hope the writing does him justice.

He even could pass for Sonny's biological son without raising eyebrows.

On 5/27/2025 at 9:19 PM, driver18 said:

Am i the only one who heard Lulu correct Cody when he tried to diminish Gio's adoptive mother as not his real mother? When he did that, Lulu quickly said that the woman who raised him was still his mother. Right now he might be thrown and upset about everything but in time, he would go back to thinking of and remembering her as his mother.

It's the same thing Tracy started to tell him when he said the mother he loved and who loved him was all a lie. She told him it wasn't.

Lulu acknowledged that BLQ would be a great mother to Gio when things settled, but also acknowledged that the woman who raised him was his mother too. Based on what Lulu said in this ep, it did seem like she was thinking of the fallout, and knew it was terrible. She was just looking beyond the fallout in the belief that it would have a happy ending because of her faith in all the parties... including Brooklyn.

Exactly. Can't make an omelet without ripping off the Band-Aid.

4 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

And I'm finding it really hard to stay in the moment with BLQ's distracting outfit and those fringes on her sleeve. Whoever thought that tux was a good idea, well it's fucking distracting.

I liked them, but Brook Lynn and Lois's outfits looked like some kind of armor.

[Sake614]

1 hour ago, nilyank said:

she can blame Cody's big fat mouth. He was the one who misinterpreted something he saw between Sasha and Jason. Instead of talking to her, he went around spreading the fact that Jason got Sasha pregnant. If it wasn't for him, people would have still believed that some random guy was the dad.

All she had to do was say ‘no, Jason is not the father. Cody was drunk and doesn’t know what he’s talking about.’ Instead she refused to deny it and then asked Jason to play along.

[CeChase]

6 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

 

Welp, NuMichael has no spine when around his mother, so, no improvement there. What a disappointment that was. He specifically told Carly that he didn't want his kids to go through the custody bullshit he and his siblings went through, and she's been running around doing exactly that same bullshit while keeping him in the dark about it. He should be furious at her treating him like a child who can't make his own decisions and going against his clearly expressed wishes. It's like she was happy to take the opportunity to have him out of the way so she could do what she wanted despite his wishes. instead he's kissing her ass, telling her she did the right thing. 

So disgusting.  It looks like they scored a good recast, so of course instead of using the opportunity to reset Michael and turn him into a lead, they have him run back to mommy's and get back to suckling on the teat.  This show just refuses to write any consequences for Carly.  

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, CeChase said:

So disgusting.  It looks like they scored a good recast, so of course instead of using the opportunity to reset Michael and turn him into a lead, they have him run back to mommy's and get back to suckling on the teat.  This show just refuses to write any consequences for Carly.  

Consequences for what?

Fighting for Michael and custody of his children when he was getting treated in the burn unit in Germany?

She pushed to get a court date for his divorce and custody suit and it was scheduled earlier than expected by the judge.

But Michael was already on top of it because he spoke to Diane, was secretly better that he got himself released, got Diane to get him temporary custody until the court date, arranged for himself to get back to Port Charles and get the kids without any interference from Drew and Willow. All without letting Carly know until after it was all done.

Michael had it all handled and he doesn’t need to be angry at Carly because she did not start this custody fight. Michael also has not told Carly that he originally wanted joint custody but filed for sole custody as a strategy to get Willow to compromise.

Also despite all the trash talk Carly had about Willow as a mother when Willow said she wanted to compromise about custody case with Carly, Carly said joint custody while Willow said 2 weekends a month and 2 weeks in the summer.

Edited May 29 by nilyank

[GHScorpiosRule]

10 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Lois isn't exactly dripping in self-awareness, is she?  When she was going on about how the Q's would have taken over Gio's life, was she forgetting that she and her mother did exactly that instead? They decided he would go to a cousin so that they could keep him in the bosom of their family, so they could keep an eye on him and ensure his life was going how they wanted it to go. She has been everything she accuses the Q's of being.

My jaw literally dropped. I was like, Hello!!! Do you hear yourself?! And I agree that Rena is the weakest link here. She's sobbing and making noises of crying, but her eyes remain dry. Not even a single tear. And all the squinting!

And I hate to be THAT person, because I really do understand how Gio's world has imploded around him, learning Camila wasn't his mother and he was lied to his entire life. But. I continue to hate how adoption is being portrayed as the WORST. That it was the better option versus abortion. Meaning that Brook Lynn didn't want Gio, so hey, "throw" him away to someone else. He overheard NuNuLooLoo giving Lois an ultimatum, which revealed that Dante didn't know. But I guess the shock of it all, he's just lumping them both together as the evil and selfish bio parents that didn't want him. Hell, Brook Lynn was younger than Gio is now.

Maybe Camilla should have told him he was adopted- when she got sick-IF he even was. I mean, it's not clear to me if Lois just handed him over to her cousin. But par for the course for this show. Hell, two SITCOMS did a better job-Natalie from Facts of Life, when she learned she was adopted-at 12/13; and the other end, where the birth parent didn't want to know about her child-Skippy from Family Ties.

Show continues to use Robin, I see, as an offscreen apologist for Mooby-now through NuNotMyEmma. I really wish she felt the opposite-remembered how her mom was shot in front of her when she was wee by "always helps people family or not" murdering criminal.

Wally Kurth was just great. Just amazing. But Olivia can take several seats.

And I won't lie-I teared up when Tracy got choked up, trying to fight back her own tears. DAMN, I just LOVE Jane Elliott.

It was good to see some anger from Dante toward Brook Lynn. It's not as if Dante was some stranger she decided to have sex with when she was a teenager; they had grown up together, yes? So what if they weren't in a relationship or whatever. It seems as far as she was concerned, he was just the sperm donor, and she decided she didn't need to talk to him about it.

10 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Welp, NuMichael has no spine when around his mother, so, no improvement there. What a disappointment that was. He specifically told Carly that he didn't want his kids to go through the custody bullshit he and his siblings went through, and she's been running around doing exactly that same bullshit while keeping him in the dark about it

He's still such a STUPID LITTLE SHIT. Well, it looks like I'll still be using that moniker, even if this new iteration is better looking and a better actor. He sort of reminds me of a cross between Tyler Christopher and Billy Warlock.

I just laughed and laughed at the expressions on Drew and Willow's faces when Mac didn't immediately genuflect and do what they were demanding. I don't care about this stupid custody fight; or any of them, really.  

And I can't recall the last time I didn't fast forward this show. I actually watched all the scenes yesterday.

[dubbel zout]

17 hours ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

I hope that the conflict between the two of them goes on for a good long time and not just a few episodes.

I don't. Of course Dante should feel all the feels he wants, but I agree with BL's reasoning for not telling him later on: He would want to find out who and where the baby is, and that's not Dante's place. The lie was wrong from the start for all sorts of reasons, but given how little BL knew, blaming her for weeks and weeks seems pointless to me. BL lost as much as Dante did.

16 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Sonny’s reaction to Lois’s lie was hilariously self centered. “Oh, when Gio was born, you didn’t know he was my grandson? What’s the problem, then, if you weren’t lying to me?” Like who cares about Dante and Gio. 

That was totally in character for Sonny. It's always all about him. I appreciate the continuity.

13 hours ago, Daisy said:

yeah there's a lot of "my body my choice" going on right now because Dante's hurt and i'm not even going to hash it but i think how Dante articulated his feelings today made sense. BLQ took away his choices. 

This is where things get sticky for me. The woman is the one who bears all of the risk—and it's risk—carrying a child. That gives her the vast majority of control, IMO. It's easy for Dante now to say he'd step up and do the right thing (whatever that means), but would it be the right thing for him, BL, and the baby? Impossible to know, of course. I can't imagine not wanting to be a teen mom but having my baby being raised by nearby relatives. That seems almost cruel, to the mom and the baby. And that's exactly what happened, only no one knew. I feel like that situation was a no-win for BL regardless.

12 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Drew asked on what grounds, but Mac didn’t answer probably because the show couldn’t come up with any reason that made sense so they didn’t bother with a reason.

As long as Drew continually loses, I don't reasons to make sense. Hell, I don't need reasons at all!

11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

[Lois] has been everything she accuses the Q's of being.

I know. I wish Ned had pointed that out to her. But of course, everything the Qs do is an affront to humanity, unlike the saintly people in Bensonhurst. Ugh.

[GHScorpiosRule]

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I know. I wish Ned had pointed that out to her. But of course, everything the Qs do is an affront to humanity, unlike the saintly people in Bensonhurst. Ugh.

But, but, "He grew up in DA Naybohhood!" screams Lois.

[YaddaYadda]

11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Lois isn't exactly dripping in self-awareness, is she?  When she was going on about how the Q's would have taken over Gio's life, was she forgetting that she and her mother did exactly that instead? They decided he would go to a cousin so that they could keep him in the bosom of their family, so they could keep an eye on him and ensure his life was going how they wanted it to go. She has been everything she accuses the Q's of being.

Imagine living in a house with people you can't stand and then bringing Gio, who she tried to rescue from the Qs, with her.

What was the plan here, Lois? It's not like she sent him to live with grandpa Sonny who we know can do no wrong, ever.

I get that the writers are kind of stupid, but Lois looks like an absolute dingbat scapegoating the Qs for her decisions.

[Bringonthedrama]

14 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

My jaw literally dropped. I was like, Hello!!! Do you hear yourself?! 

 He overheard NuNuLooLoo giving Lois an ultimatum, which revealed that Dante didn't know. But I guess the shock of it all, he's just lumping them both together as the evil and selfish bio parents that didn't want him. Hell, Brook Lynn was younger than Gio is now.

It's not as if Dante was some stranger she decided to have sex with when she was a teenager; they had grown up together, yes? So what if they weren't in a relationship or whatever. It seems as far as she was concerned, he was just the sperm donor, and she decided she didn't need to talk to him.

Yes, Lois had clearly decided she knew what was best for Gio and she didn't want input or interference from Ned and his family, so it was easy and convenient for her to comply when her scared teenage daughter begged 'please, don't tell Dad.'  It's also clear that Lois never intended to follow through on the agreement with Brook Lynn about a closed adoption.

Gio didn't hear the part where NuLulu said Dante has a son he knows nothing about. He got to the door in time to hear Lois yelling "Who are you to decide" and then the rest from Lulu. For all he knew, Lois or Dante and/ or Brook Lynn confided this secret to Lulu after the Rocco incident and Lulu was demanding that Lois tell the truth. He knows Brook Lynn and Lois are close and that Dante has had a "like family" relationship with them for a long time, why would he ever think Lois would give their baby to Camila without their knowledge and consent? 

I absolutely agree that Brook Lynn was talking to Dante like he was a guy she hardly knew and so was just a sperm donor. She had decided to make the choices without his input/consent and didn't want to deal with guilt regarding his feelings ever, so she kept her mouth shut. It sounds like the "I didn't want you to live with the burden" was the excuse she told herself so as not to feel like she had betrayed someone she called a friend since childhood. When Dante called her out, she got defensive. 

Brook Lynn is showing minimal remorse where Dante's concerned. It makes sense that Dante is so angry and hurt. Not only have Brook Lynn and Lois been lying to him for 22 years about his own child, they are both only sorry they got caught. Both of them are essentially saying "Sorry you feel this way, but I made the choice that was best and I stand by the choice(s) I made and the lies told over the years to protect the choice I made behind your back." Brook Lynn admitted to Dante she probably would not have ever told him they had a baby/son if her hand hadn't been forced.

[Noneofyourbusiness]

31 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

This is where things get sticky for me. The woman is the one who bears all of the risk—and it's risk—carrying a child. That gives her the vast majority of control, IMO. 

During the pregnancy, especially before the late stages, of course; but it's different when the baby is already born and no longer a part of her body. At that point, both parents have legal rights (as long as one isn't a criminal, abusive, voluntarily avoiding a relationship with the child, etc.), since they are equally related to the child. The decision in question wasn't about whether Brook Lynn was going to carry Gio to term; she'd already made up her mind that she would.

48 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Hell, Brook Lynn was younger than Gio is now.

A point I was thinking she should make when she was talking to him. 

52 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Maybe Camilla should have told him he was adopted- when she got sick-IF he even was. I mean, it's not clear to me if Lois just handed him over to her cousin. 

There was no formal, legal adoption. Camilla falsely reported a home birth.

[dubbel zout]

9 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

it's different when the baby is already born and no longer a part of her body.

Would Dante have whisked the baby away the moment it was born? And what would the sainted Bensonhurst neighborhood say about BL wanting no part in raising her child? It would be impossible for her to have a clean separation. That wouldn't be healthy for anyone.

[sashabear21]

Could someone please tell Lois that the chance to grow up in Bensonhurst maybe isn't the consolation prize she thinks it is for being lied to your entire life??

[driver18]

So, yeah, all of this sympathy for Dante that Im reading, his reaction to what happened and how dismissive overall the reaction to him and what was taken from him is why I've understood Lulu's point of view. In this whole scenario, no one else gives a flying Fig Newton for Dante and what he lost. The right to know he could have raised a child. A good friend, who he knows now lied to him for 22 years and doesn't care that she did. His police partner whom he has to trust 100% lied to him, so how can he trust him now?

Only Lulu has been thinking of Dante. Was she thinking as much of Gio? No, only a little, but she was certain that given time he would bounce back because of Dante, Tracy, Ned, and yes, Brooklyn. And BLQ, Dante, Tracy, Ned, etc. are thinking of the child. And Chase, Tracy, Ned are thinking of Brooklyn. But no one else was thinking of Dante.

Look at yesterday... Brooklyn gave excuses to Dante. Chase didnt even apologize. Tracy told him not to be mad at BLQ. Olivia was all about herself when railing at Lois. Sonny was all about Sonny. Who cares about Dante?  I'm not saying that BLQ and Gio don't deserve or need others in their corner, they do. I'm just saying that Dante having someone who's only skin in the game is him is not the worst thing.

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

This is where things get sticky for me. The woman is the one who bears all of the risk—and it's risk—carrying a child. That gives her the vast majority of control, IMO. It's easy for Dante now to say he'd step up and do the right thing (whatever that means), but would it be the right thing for him, BL, and the baby? Impossible to know, of course. I can't imagine not wanting to be a teen mom but having my baby being raised by nearby relatives. That seems almost cruel, to the mom and the baby. And that's exactly what happened, only no one knew. I feel like that situation was a no-win for BL regardless.

yeah and i totally get that. the whole argument was more of - Dante didn't even have the right to know, how dare he be upset, and that's where i am like, look.  i respect (and her reasons were sound) BLQ's decision, but Dante DID have the right to know. if she still decided look i want the baby to have its best life and i can't have the best life being next door, and Dante copped fits then that's totally a horse of a different colour. (or if she had an abortion and for whatever reason it's coming up now). I think Dante's more upset about maybe the lack of trust? if this makes sense? 
 

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I know. I wish Ned had pointed that out to her. But of course, everything the Qs do is an affront to humanity, unlike the saintly people in Bensonhurst. Ugh.

Honestly, like I said. I'm over it. like Q's lie. Shame, Shame, Shame, someone from Bensonhurst does it, well you know what can you do? and God forbid that you think about the family business that is responsible for so many people's source of income, and allows all of you who spit on it to live in a fancy house and be recognized. 

Just one person show. all I ask (who isn't Tracy because people will just berate her). Just ONE person to call them all out on it. 

[KerleyQ]

53 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

There was no formal, legal adoption. Camilla falsely reported a home birth.

Which is just an insane plot point. You can't just pop up with a baby, say "I had a home birth," and get a birth certificate issued to your specifications. There would have to be some level of proof involved there. 

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

There was no formal, legal adoption. Camilla falsely reported a home birth.

When did they state this?

[tessaray]

19 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Which is just an insane plot point. You can't just pop up with a baby, say "I had a home birth," and get a birth certificate issued to your specifications. There would have to be some level of proof involved there. 

That varies from state to state. I had one of my kids at home with an out-of-state midwife. Iirc, I had to cut the cord (lol, my husband declined) to avoid her name being on the birth certificate and it had to be registered within days of the birth. So yeah, I just showed up with the kid and it was done. California has a lot more home births than the state I was in; they must have a procedure too. (Too lazy to Google it.)

I liked Gio and Emma on the bridge. It felt natural, unlike the gross-ness of seeing Carly there in the last few years.

[ciarra]

On 5/27/2025 at 9:38 AM, Daisy said:

I have to say - something this show is really incredible is getting people who look like their parents

Except for Gio, who looks nothing like Dante or BLQ. 

Maybe they could do a non-GH DNA test and discover that the baby was switched at birth, and Gio isn't related to the Q's or Sonny. 

[ByaNose]

22 hours ago, PatsyandEddie said:

So Sasha and Michael were all over one another in a bar , drunk as skunks. This doesn’t prove  they had sex or that he’s the father of her baby. Says the Devil’s advocate. 

Emma looks gorgeous in the scene in the bridge. The dress is still a HAM but her hair / makeup was perfection. 
 

 

The color of Emma’s dress looks great but the sleeves makes the dress look way too big for her. The actual dress itself looks more body hugging which would have been perfect. A misstep from the wardrobe department. Both Joss and Trina wore sleeveless dresses and more to their age but I’m not sure what they were attempting to do with Emma. 

[Daisy]

47 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Except for Gio, who looks nothing like Dante or BLQ. 

Maybe they could do a non-GH DNA test and discover that the baby was switched at birth, and Gio isn't related to the Q's or Sonny. 

i'd say Cody's but... then we have another kissin cousin situation. 
stupid show  making everyone releated 

[Desperado]

I’ve had more fun watching GH over the past few days, than I have in a decade, maybe more.

Maybe the early success of Beyond the Gates, airing at the same time in my market, gave them a kick in the behind to improve the storylines, I’m just disappointed we’re back to Sonny/Carly/Jason always winning because NuMichael is fire.

I know everyone hates Willow, but I love her new hair and her red dress a d I thought the actress had good chemistry with NuMichael.

It was great to be reminded that Wally Kurth can do drama.

I hate, hate, hate, Brooklyn’s black sequins with white long collar suit. It must be super hot to act under the lights wearing it too.

Gio and Emma are wonderful. I’m sorry Trina is stuck w/ Kai and although their sex scene seemed well choreographed and her eye makeup was fab, I just couldn’t.

[norahs99]

Here’s the one thing that I don’t think has been mentioned and really, really should because it never comes up in pregnancy stories.  Not once over the years did Dante ask Brooklyn if there were any ‘consequences’ as a result of their relationship. Why is it always up to the woman to tell, while it never occurs to the man to ASK THE QUESTION?!

[dubbel zout]

13 minutes ago, norahs99 said:

Why is it always up to the woman to tell, while it never occurs to the man to ASK THE QUESTION?!

Because it's always the woman's fault she got pregnant. The man had nothing to do with it.

[statsgirl]

Tracy:  "Oh God, now I have blood ties to Sonny Corinthos."  Exactly how we feel Tracy.

Good scenes between Dante and Lulu, although she did lie that she doesn't ever want him back. I know it won't stick but good for you, Dante.

How can Michael take custody away from Willow because she is with Drew? He's a congressman, not an axe murderer.

I hate to agree with Drew but he's right telling Willow not to give in at the beginning. (Maybe he's read chapter 1 of Timothy Snyder's On Fascism.")

Olivia: "Until he went undercover and got shot by his own father because I didn't tell them who they are to each other." Uh Olivia, that's not quite the reason.  Dante didn't know that Gio was his son and he still didn't shoot him.

Nice play between Tracy and Ned. 

"Where you go, I go."  Emma and Gio were sweet together.

Sasha is almost tolerable as long as she's kept away from Michael and Jason. But still a huge hypocrite.

 

Edited May 29 by statsgirl

[Bringonthedrama]

I like that Dante told Lulu that she really hurt the one person who is innocent in all this - Gio. DZ did a great job with showing Dante's anger and frustration toward her. Both declaring with tears in their eyes that they're not/don't want to get back together was clearly a lie. The pushing each other away in anger and hurt isn't going to last. I give them a few months to maybe a year before they kiss.

Ned was so incredibly sweet with Brook Lynn. Nice job by WK and AS.

Tracy's realization that she and Sonny are related/connected through Gio - well done JE! The Ned-Tracy scene was great too!!!

This Rory actor playing NuMichael comes off as much more - adult? - in scenes with Willow than CD ever was. It was interesting to see Willow's fantasy that her kids are happy living with Drew shattered and Michael telling her that her happiness was irrelevant. She's so naive it's like it never occurred to her that between them without Carly's involvement, Michael would be anything but mildly unhappy with how the marriage ended, i.e. patting her on the shoulder with an "okay, we didn't work out but yeah I agree the kids belong with you most of the time. I accept that you're in in love with my uncle and that he's a good role model for our children." Then she let herself be totally manipulated by Drew, again.

 

Edited May 29 by Bringonthedrama

[Sake614]

26 minutes ago, norahs99 said:

Here’s the one thing that I don’t think has been mentioned and really, really should because it never comes up in pregnancy stories.  Not once over the years did Dante ask Brooklyn if there were any ‘consequences’ as a result of their relationship. Why is it always up to the woman to tell, while it never occurs to the man to ASK THE QUESTION?!

Why would Dante even ask such a question? They were both kids and BLQ left the camp as soon as she knew she was pregnant. She and Dante didn’t see each other again for years. He had no clue there were any consequences. As far as they were both concerned it was a ONS. They got caught up in the moment and it was over. Had she stayed home and started to show, or somehow word got out that she was pregnant, I could see him asking. But teenaged boys don’t think that way, and neither do grown men unless there’s a reason,

[KerleyQ]

8 hours ago, tessaray said:

That varies from state to state. I had one of my kids at home with an out-of-state midwife. Iirc, I had to cut the cord (lol, my husband declined) to avoid her name being on the birth certificate and it had to be registered within days of the birth. So yeah, I just showed up with the kid and it was done. California has a lot more home births than the state I was in; they must have a procedure too. (Too lazy to Google it.)

I googled a week or so ago when it came up that they lied to him about his birthday. You need to be able to provide some proof of pregnancy, which I'd assume a statement from a doctor that they knew you were pregnant would suffice. Maybe sworn statements from people in her life would have also been acceptable. (Of course, they'd be guilty of perjury in this case).  And an examination of the baby has to be done by a pediatrician, or a waiver approved for there to not be one. 

Edited May 30 by KerleyQ

[statsgirl]

It's understandable that Dante didn't ask if there were consequences from their ONS, but somewhat surprising that he didn't wonder why Brook Lynn suddenly ran away from a camp she was supposed to work at all summer.

And good job show, the third episode after the reveal and I still want to tune in for the Gio story. (Sasha/Michael/kids and Trina/Kai not so much.)

8 hours ago, nilyank said:

Fighting for Michael and custody of his children when he was getting treated in the burn unit in Germany?

Carly wanted to get sole custody herself and take the children away from Willow until Michael was back. How is that good for the children, to lose both their mother and father? Drew is not a good person but we have no suggestion that he mistreated Wylie and Amelia or that the children were harmed in any way while they were living with Willow and Drew.

Wylie said that he wanted to go  home but to an 8 year old, that means the gatehouse with both mommy and daddy. Michael shouldn't have sole custody; Carly should have it even less.

3 hours ago, driver18 said:

Only Lulu has been thinking of Dante. Was she thinking as much of Gio? No, only a little, but she was certain that given time he would bounce back because of Dante, Tracy, Ned, and yes, Brooklyn. And BLQ, Dante, Tracy, Ned, etc. are thinking of the child. And Chase, Tracy, Ned are thinking of Brooklyn. But no one else was thinking of Dante.

Brook Lynn was thinking of Dante, she said that she didn't want him to have the pain of knowing that he has a child out there and could not find him. Was she right? Maybe, maybe not.

But it wasn't Lulu's job to make the decision to find the baby and then force Lois to reveal the information to everyone, as Dante told her today.  Lulu is so convinced that she is always right that she never looks for the consequences if she could be wrong.

Edited May 29 by statsgirl

[JMO]

One of the things I appreciated today was that each of the crucial conversations were actually that--conversations, and not shouting matches, which usually devolve and end with someone slamming a door.  These were conversations---touching, between BL and Ned; honest and familiar, between Olivia and Tracy and Ned and Tracy; painful between Lulu and Dante---and very little was left unsaid.  I'll look forward to individual conversations between Gio and each of his bio parents. 

Dante needs to have a long internal conversation---or maybe one aloud, with his friend Cody---to figure out if he thinks he and Gio might have been better off if they'd never known about one another. If he decides yes, then he can be angry at Lulu for investigating it and leading to the blow up.  But if he thinks they are better off being father and son, he will have to come to terms with the fact that, of the four women who knew about the pregnancy, only Lulu thought Dante had the right to know, and only she was in favor of making that happen.  He'll figure it out.  And I agree that they'll be back in each other's lives soon enough.

I can't remember now.  Why did Lois go to Martin Grey about Gio in the first place?  Was there something that might have gathered momentum and led to the same revelation, without the involvement of Lulu?

I like that the relationship between Emma and Gio is not a romance (yet), but a friendship that is deepening before our eyes.  Romances may come and go, but true friends are there for a lifetime.

 

 

 

[dubbel zout]

Olivia: "I should have known I was holding my grandson." Tracy: "You were not psychic. [laughs] At least not then." Hee.

Excellent reaction by Katelyn MacMullen when Michael tells Willow she has to choose between Drew and the kids.

9 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

It's understandable that Dante didn't ask if there were consequences from their ONS, but somewhat surprising that he didn't wonder why Brook Lynn suddenly ran away from a camp she was supposed to work at all summer.

Maybe he should have put two and two together, but boys/men aren't expected to worry about unwanted pregnancies as much as girls/women are. 

Willow, I'm not sure your kids would notice if you were wearing your wedding rings.

6 minutes ago, JMO said:

Why did Lois go to Martin Grey about Gio in the first place? 

She didn't go about Gio; she thought Martin might have information where Valentin and Charlotte were.

Sasha, Gio doesn't need to be welcomed into a family, he needs to want to be in that family. You've got the wrong end of the stick there.

Edited May 29 by dubbel zout