Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[rur]

12 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I assumed that Sonny`s lack of reaction was because he knew that Michael was coming and it was his plane that we saw. Carly may have been in shock and worried that Michael would find out what she had been up to behind his back in terms of the court case.

Good point about Sonny's plane. I had actually been wondering how Michael managed to charter a plane. Now that you've said it, I realize Sonny's conversations the day before laid the groundwork for him bringing Michael home. 

And, typical Carly -- not "I'm glad my son is here" but "How will this affect me and what I've been doing".

I look forward to Willow finding out that Michael didn't know she came to Germany to see him and that he didn't turn her away.

Edited May 25 by rur

[ulkis]

17 hours ago, driver18 said:

I came back to GH after many years because he returned the first time. I stuck around through thick and thin, and fell for Michael Easton. The horrible way he and Finn were treated by the new regime had me walking out again... but then JJ was announced, so they reeled me back in.

Was it worth it? I am beginning to wonder.

To be fair to the regime I feel like that call was made by someone above FV. Finn/ME got a very nice exit with lots of material, besides the rushed break-up of Fiz, as you said. Compare to Roho whose character was shot and everyone was just shrugged. Did we ever find out who shot him lol?

[Perkie]

12 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I assumed that Sonny`s lack of reaction was because he knew that Michael was coming a

I don't think Sonny knew MIchael was coming, I think that was all orchestrated by Jason, which explains the phone call Jason got at the station where he had to take off and not give Tracy a ride home.   

Sonny's lack of reaction was either the character having just gotten shocking information that the kid he's been financially supporting for 10 years is actually his grandson and he was still busy mulling that over.   Or the actor isn't capable of having more than one reaction in a certain time span.  

 

50 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I was so mad Chase let Sonny tell him not to go after his own wife though.

 

Yeah, what was that.  Who died and put Sonny in charge.  If that were me, I would have been, whatever dude, I'm going after my spouse (or in Olivia's case, her son)

45 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Roho whose character was shot and everyone was just shrugged. Did we ever find out who shot him lol?

Cyrus.

[KerleyQ]

Can I just say that whoever decided to establish some kind of relationship between Tracy and Jason was smart?  JE is getting SBu to up his acting game.  And it makes sense to me that the two of them would kind of begrudgingly recognize in each other that protective instinct for what's left of their family, along with their love for Monica. 

Also, it would be really interesting if having a ringside seat for the fallout from the Gio story has Jason second guessing playing daddy for Sasha's baby. Obviously, Michael is not in the same situation as Dante, because Michael knows that baby is his. But, seeing Gio's pain at being lied to should give him some second thoughts about saddling this new baby with a similar lie. It seems like there must have been a reason for the scenes where Tracy tried to get Jason to look for the baby, when they already had the reveal planned for shortly after that. So there was clearly some reason to rope Jason into that story. Since he's currently pretending to be a baby daddy, that seems like the most logical angle to play out now, especially with the timing of Michael arriving back in town right as the Gio secret came out. 

[sacrebleu]

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

Yeah, what was that.  Who died and put Sonny in charge.  If that were me, I would have been, whatever dude, I'm going after my spouse (or in Olivia's case, her son)

 

Well, to be fair, who has more experience with paternity reveals than Sonny?

...learned Dante was his son after shooting him

...learned Kristina was his daughter when she was .. two? Three?

Joss could have been his ( limo sex after Michael's shooting)

Avery could have been his daughter OR granddaughter. ( WtD with Morgan) 

Didn't Juan think he was Sonny's ( but turned out to be Miguel's)

 

 

[dubbel zout]

4 hours ago, rur said:

I look forward to Willow finding out that Michael didn't know she came to Germany to see him and that he didn't turn her away.

Drew will probably say Michael is lying, and of course Willow will believe him. They might as well just have her be clearly completely hypnotized at this point, since for all of her talk to the contrary, she has no mind or opinions of her own.

45 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Can I just say that whoever decided to establish some kind of relationship between Tracy and Jason was smart?  JE is getting SBu to up his acting game. 

More than upping his acting game: JE is getting SBu to act, period. The woman is a miracle worker.

Edited May 25 by dubbel zout

[YaddaYadda]

34 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

Well, to be fair, who has more experience with paternity reveals than Sonny?

...learned Dante was his son after shooting him

...learned Kristina was his daughter when she was .. two? Three?

Joss could have been his ( limo sex after Michael's shooting)

Avery could have been his daughter OR granddaughter. ( WtD with Morgan) 

Didn't Juan think he was Sonny's ( but turned out to be Miguel's)

If ever there was anyone in line for a vasectomy.

I'm still scared Sonny will knock up someone and become the Robert De Niro of soaps.

[lala2]

I had no issue with Sonny telling them all to give Dante and BL space to talk. It makes sense and was good advice, IMO. 

At the end of the day, BL was pregnant with Dante’s baby and never told him. They need to have a private conversation about that. Chase doesn’t need to hold her hand through that either. She’s grown and can talk to her child’s father w/o her husband around! Dante has a right to be upset ….if he even is. It’s a messy situation. Chase knows that! He can’t shield her from the consequences of her own actions. 

And it’s nice seeing Olivia listen to reason and letting her son handle his business. Dante is overgrown. He doesn’t need his mom charging in and shouting down BL like Carly would do. Let the grown kids handle their business. As Sonny said, they know where to find their parents if they need them. 

Edited May 25 by lala2

[dubbel zout]

9 minutes ago, lala2 said:

I had no issue with Sonny telling them all to give Dante and BL space to talk. It makes sense and was good advice, IMO. 

I thought so too. Dante and BL are the ones most affected, and they need to hash things out before talking to everyone else. Other people in the room wouldn't be helpful at this point.

[ciarra]

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I'm still scared Sonny will knock up someone* and become the Robert De Niro of soaps.

*Justine, the new ADA?

[YaddaYadda]

26 minutes ago, ciarra said:

*Justine, the new ADA?

Let's not put things like this in out there in the universe where intern #3 might read it.

[ciarra]

43 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Let's not put things like this in out there in the universe where intern #3 might read it.

But Sonny has already picked out a dress and a doll house.  And planned a trip to the "I-land".  And some casino chips.

Edited May 25 by ciarra

[dubbel zout]

21 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Sonny has already picked out a dress and a doll house.  And planned a trip to the "I-land".  And some casino chips.

He's got a closet filled with all of that stuff so he's always ready.

Edited May 25 by dubbel zout

[Dr. Dave]

If I were in charge of props I'd hand GM his actual violin & say, "Now remember this is the prop violin. This is the one you want to smash" Then cross my fingers & hope. 🙏

[ulkis]

21 hours ago, lala2 said:

I had no issue with Sonny telling them all to give Dante and BL space to talk. It makes sense and was good advice, IMO. 

In general it is but it's the notion that Chase wouldn't know that in the first place and that wise almost-a-corpse Sonny would have to tell him that. And it is probably just the start of wise Gruncle Sonny and Gio running to Grandpa chest-shooter over how mean his parents are.

Edited May 26 by ulkis

[lizzbert]

Rory Gibson looks so much like Tamara Braun to me! Good casting in a weird way, ha. He also reminds me a little of Tyler Christopher. 💔

[ciarra]

I wonder if Natalia's face is on a milk carton yet?

[KerleyQ]

32 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I wonder if Natalia's face is on a milk carton yet?

She's probably busy hanging out by the LGBTQ center Kristina started, yelling out homophobic bullshit and then acting like the victim when they call her out for it. 

[Suicidy 2.0]

On 5/23/2025 at 2:15 PM, YaddaYadda said:

Did Becky break her leg in real life? And where in the hell is Lucky? Why is JJ even back?

I'm glad Scout is still alive.

Not gonna lie. I really loved that ending and watching Willow and Drew's faces crack like that, especially after that "compromise" and Willow apparently being okay going to DC was the cherry on the sundae.

Never thought I'd be rooting for the baby hoarders, but here we are.

I’ll reserve judgement, but I’m optimistic that the newly regenerated Michael won’t be so douchey anymore.

SLS no more?  

Edited May 27 by Suicidy 2.0

[dubbel zout]

13 hours ago, ciarra said:

I wonder if Natalia's face is on a milk carton yet?

Has anyone missed her? I sure haven't. She can stay MIA.

[YaddaYadda]

14 hours ago, ciarra said:

I wonder if Natalia's face is on a milk carton yet?

She can stay gone. She had no purpose when she came in, still has no purpose now. Natalia is still a bigot and a horrible parent. 

[Daisy]

I have to say - something this show is really incredible is getting people who look like their parents. Rory Gibson/MIchael looks a lot like Stuart Damon in his early years (someone did comparison photos on Reddit)  as well as a spitting image of Wiley. Honestly.  i really do hope the writing does him justice. 

also also i saw the promo for today. 
I'm just going to do a pre-emptive: Shut up Olivia. 

[Cheyanne11]

3 minutes ago, Daisy said:

I'm just going to do a pre-emptive: Shut up Olivia. 

Meh.  She's got a right to lay into Lois.  I hope there's a line forming for that.

[Daisy]

8 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Meh.  She's got a right to lay into Lois.  I hope there's a line forming for that.

maybe. but it's not like she hadn't lied and kept a child secret herself. and her lie nearly got her kid killed for it. 

[nilyank]

35 minutes ago, Daisy said:

maybe. but it's not like she hadn't lied and kept a child secret herself. and her lie nearly got her kid killed for it. 

Don’t forget how she faked that Leo was stillbirth and hid him from Julian.

[Daisy]

37 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Don’t forget how she faked that Leo was stillbirth and hid him from Julian.

I didn't even know about that one. so yeah. 
Like. i'm not saying Olivia doesn't have the right to be upset. Dante's kid, her grandson yada yada, - and Lois does deserve to be getting it from all barrels but Olivia's been there and done that [now apparently twice] so my HOPE is after the shock is over she can be there for Lois. 

[dubbel zout]

In Olivia's defense, it was only Sonny who didn't know he had a kid. The rest of Bensonhurst knew about Dante and who his father is. (Right?) What she did to Julian re: Leo is reprehensible, though. She willingly slept with him—it was a revenge fuck for seeing Ned and Alexis together on NYE. So I'd say Olivia doesn't have quite the moral high ground she thinks she has. But she's always been a hypocrite (like everyone else).

 

[Cheyanne11]

13 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

The rest of Bensonhurst knew about Dante and who his father is. (Right?)

I don't even remember: Sonny was in and out of Bensonhurst when Dante was growing up, wasn't he?  Did he not connect the dots? /don't care enough to ponder this any further.

As to Olivia: of course she's a hypocrite.  And the one who Lois should get the most shit from is BL.  But Lois did a lot of damage and deserves the shitstorm that is coming her way from many people.

[dubbel zout]

1 minute ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Lois did a lot of damage and deserves the shitstorm that is coming her way from many people.

Most definitely, but Olivia can't afford to throw too many of these particular stones.

[Cheyanne11]

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

Most definitely, but Olivia can't afford to throw too many of these particular stones.

She'll scream a lot, then cross herself, go to confession, and make a few dozen cannoli as penance.

[MarciNJ]

I already like the new Michael better than CD, which I realize is a very low bar.  If Georgie and James were performing, why wasn't Maxie there?  Nice to see Scout is still around, and the kid who plays Donna was born to perform.  The Wiley kid....  not so much.

And Joss wins for best dress.  Emma wins for worst.

[GHScorpiosRule]

12 minutes ago, MarciNJ said:

If Georgie and James were performing, why wasn't Maxie there? 

Because Bailey Lou was sick. Reason for Storms to not appear? Whatever.

[MarciNJ]

1 minute ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Because Bailey Lou was sick. Reason for Storms to not appear? Whatever

oh right, they did mention that; oh well, guess KS wasn't available.

[Bringonthedrama]

AS certainly sold Brook Lynn's feelings of shock, pain, betrayal and rage with her mother. Lois being all "I knew I could tell you with certainty your baby went to a good home" was the lamest excuse ever.

The "if looks could kill" awards go to DZ for when Dante walked away from Lois to go with Brook Lynn to the Quartermaines, and WK at the end when Lois and Ned's eyes met.

JE and GM were awesome in their range of emotions as Tracy did her best to embrace Gio as family. 

Did the Show already forget that Kai was just released from the hospital after major surgery? In that sex scene there was no hint of pain or recovery. There lines were so vomit worthy I had to turn it off.

I just can't with Lulu. At least Cody tried to give her a reality check.

Uggghhh, is the Show really going with Sasha falling in love (again) with Michael and falling for Jason too?  

I rolled my eyes at Willow and Drew breathlessly telling Mac about a "kidnapping" and naming Jason.

[PatsyandEddie]

So Sasha went with Jason to pick Amelia up from Drillow’s place? Guess she’ll be getting in trouble for kidnapping too. 
 

IA that the actors in the Gio s/l brought it today. AS and RS were excellent at conveying the anger and pain. I wasn’t expecting BL to smack her mother’s hand away. Great touch! 

[JMO]

Good episode today.  Could have done without the Trina/Kai filler material, and couldn't help but wonder if they were moving the couple forward quickly so Kai could have some sort of intimacy-related complication to his surgery.  

The confrontation between Lois and BL was well done, but I was distracted by that outfit.  They could have found something dressy that actually fit her.  Dante's silence as he took it all in made his recent blowups at Gio seem even more out of character.  His behavior today was more what I would expect of him.  

Lulu was remarkably calm and collected for having just participated in the blowing up of so many lives.  I don't blame her, particularly, but I expected more emotion. It's like she still hasn't considered the fallout for Gio, who would, if she and Dante stayed together, be her stepson.

Tracy looked gorgeous today.  And I loved that there was a tenderness between her and Gio, in spite of everything.  She overwhelmed him with her welcome to the family without consideration to the woman who raised him, and his love for her.  But she'll come around, and so will Gio.  As BL and Dante arrived, I realized that Gio is not yet aware that this was all news to them, too. 

This whole story is so complex that we're two episodes past the revelation, and still haven't plumbed all of the conversations/confrontations that need to take place.  Well done, GH.

[YaddaYadda]

Lois looked like the Tin Man in her outfit, down to her shoes.

I thought the scenes were pretty good, the acting was good. DZ is able to convey a lot with just one look.

JE was as usual excellent. I thought GM was pretty good too.

Lulu, you shattered a young man's life. Just drink your beer and shut your mouth.

I don't even know what to say about Sasha. She went from being inoffensive to taking little children out of their beds. Wylie was at the NB, Amelia was not. 

I paused my TV so that I could ff Trina and Kai. They are pretty, but they're so goddamn boring. They also felt out of place in today's episode. I get that they wanted a lighter moment in the middle of drama, but I'd rather nonstop drama, personally.

 

[dubbel zout]

11 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I just can't with Lulu. At least Cody tried to give her a reality check.

She really doesn't understand the implications of what she put in motion.

1 minute ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Lois being all "I knew I could tell you with certainty your baby went to a good home" was the lamest excuse ever.

And incredibly insulting to people who can't adopt a baby from a relative's conveniently pregnant teenager.

Trina, you're allowed to be happy even if other people aren't. I really hate this kind of thinking. Trina being bummed is not going to help Gio in any way.

I'm all for verbalizing consent, but I wish that exchange between Trina and Kai hadn't sounded so...? I'm not sure how to describe what bothered me about it. Maybe that it was taken SO seriously, when it was obvious they both wanted to rip each other's clothes off from the second they got into the apartment.

13 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

JE and GM were awesome in their range of emotions as Tracy did her best to embrace Gio as family. 

JE is incredible. I thought GM was flailing a bit until the scenes with her, and she knew how to ground him so he met the challenge. It must be so reassuring as an inexperienced actor to have scenes with JE. She's not going to let you down.

[YaddaYadda]

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

She really doesn't understand the implications of what she put in motion.

She understands perfectly well, that's why she kept trying to come up with the "positives" for trashing Gio's life. He has a whole other family, a brother. He does, but he also adored his mother and that in a lot of ways has been shattered. But Lulu is pig-headed.

I thought that Cody talking about his experience vs Gio's experience was good and long overdue. 

[dubbel zout]

9 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

She understands perfectly well, that's why she kept trying to come up with the "positives" for trashing Gio's life. He has a whole other family, a brother. He does, but he also adored his mother and that in a lot of ways has been shattered. But Lulu is pig-headed.

I should have said she doesn't want to admit what a shitstorm she's launched.

10 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I thought that Cody talking about his experience vs Gio's experience was good and long overdue

Didn't he say more or less all of this to Lulu before he knew she was digging into BL's baby history? Then Lulu bulldozed him into thinking she was doing the right thing for everyone, and he fell in line.

[KittyQ]

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

AS certainly sold Brook Lynn's feelings of shock, pain, betrayal and rage with her mother. Lois being all "I knew I could tell you with certainty your baby went to a good home" was the lamest excuse ever.

I don't think that was a lame excuse. I think that was what she really felt. IRL, I suspect that this kind of thing happened all the time when there was more of a stigma about being so young and pregnant. Even now, depending on the woman's community and family, being a young single mother might not be well accepted. Intrafamily adoptions might be the way that people could "solve" two issues and keep the child from being "lost" when they were given to someone unknown. 

Where Lois went wrong, I think, was in never letting Brook Lyn know what she did and why - making it more of an "open" adoption, so no one would be blindsided later in life. 

[DanaK]

Definitely a terrific episode covering the Gio reveal

[KittyQ]

Lulu: Now Gio has a family

Me: He had a family, you twit! You've just made him feel that was never valid, and instead he gets the prize of being a Quartermain, which isn't all that great for everyone.

[Bringonthedrama]

15 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

I don't think that was a lame excuse. I think that was what she really felt. IRL, I suspect that this kind of thing happened all the time when there was more of a stigma about being so young and pregnant.

Where Lois went wrong, I think, was in never letting Brook Lyn know what she did and why - making it more of an "open" adoption, so no one would be blindsided later in life. 

Her reason was what you tell the children when you're giving the family pet's puppies or kittens away. Lois flat out told Lulu that she and her mother decided they just couldn't give up baby Gio, so the solution was to give him to cousin Camila instead and lie to Brook Lynn.  In Brook Lynn's case, there was no stigma because a) according to Gio's age, he was born in 2003 and b) she was on tour with her mother as soon as she came home from camp. She was not being shunned by family or friends as she started to "show."

Lois forged the birth certificate with a fake birthdate, so I think she more or less just handed baby Gio to Camila to raise as her own instead of Camila actually legally adopting him. 

[KittenPokerCheater]

I hope Monica and Tracey throw Lois out of the house.  Lois may have thought she was doing the right thing at the time, but I think what she did is unforgivable.

JE steals the show, as always.

[Daisy]

For someone who doesn't want her baby to be raised by Michael Sasha's involving herself a lot in what Michael does with his kids. like bruh. 

[statsgirl]

JE was marvelous today, worth watching the show for. First angry at Jason for ditching her and then all the feels when she finds out who Gio is. Everyone today brought their acting game GM did well, WK's look at the end could kill armies, AS and RS were good too. The only one who doesn't seem to care was Grandpa Sonny, much more interested in Michael getting the kids.

Lois deserves everything that she gets although RS is making me a bit sympathetic to her. But I'm gonna need Lulu to take a lot of reproaching too. She is so smug that she did the right thing because now Dante has his son, and she never gives Gio a thought. It took repeated attempts from Cody to point out how hard it is on Gio and even then she still thinks that she was right. 

Jason, Michael is a big boy, I'm sure that he can get a cab back from the airport on his own. And yes, since Willow has custody of the kids, taking Amelia from her home is kidnapping.

2 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Did the Show already forget that Kai was just released from the hospital after major surgery? In that sex scene there was no hint of pain or recovery. There lines were so vomit worthy I had to turn it off.

Uggghhh, is the Show really going with Sasha falling in love (again) with Michael and falling for Jason too?  

If Michael and Sasha start a googly-eyed relationship, I will regret having him back. She was so starry-eyed.

Kai hasn't been officially released from the hospital, he just had the night off to go the the Ball. I ff'ed through the sex scene, thanks for letting me know that it was the right decision I really  liked Trina's earrings though.

I was watching TV and saw Angele Dubeau with her 1733 Stradivarius violin (insured for millions) and all I could think of was "Don't let Gio get anywhere near that!"

1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

Where Lois went wrong, I think, was in never letting Brook Lyn know what she did and why - making it more of an "open" adoption, so no one would be blindsided later in life. 

I think that if Brook Lynn had known that the baby was Gio, she would have told Dante when Camilla died at least. So that Gio would know that he wasn't alone.

And Camilla should have told Gio that he was adopted when she got sick.

[TVbitch]

Love her, but of course Tracey has to tell Gio... "all this is YOURS!" Like that matters right now.  

Wasn't Kai just on a temporary leave from the hospital so he could go to the nurses' ball? Should he be having sexual relations so soon after complicated back surgery? I guess it was all done laparoscopically and/or he flew to Germany to get his scars healed up ASAP! Sorry, but that couple is still a "dead zone."

[statsgirl]

Tracy should have let Gio leave the Quartermaine house instead of summoning Brook Lynn and Dante over. Gio needs space to process it all before being confronted by sobbing relatives.

[YaddaYadda]

13 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Angele Dubeau with her 1733 Stradivarius violin

That's a name I haven't heard in a long time.