Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

If Lulu is so convinced that Gio is Brook Lynn and Dante's daughter

You mean son?

[Desperado]

Jane Elliott striking a pose, surrounded by the other women, was so fabulous.  I really hope we get to see a whole routine with her.

[statsgirl]

26 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

Wait, did he have a sex change off screen? 🤣

My only excuse is that I had dental surgery today and was under the influence of strong painkillers.

[KerleyQ]

JE makes SBu way more watchable. Also, as much as I hate to admit it, they're kind of getting me with the whole Jason trying to be an active member of the Q family stuff. Him bonding with the Q's has been what I've wanted to see from the character for a really long fucking time. The holy hitman who didn't want anything to do with any Q's beside Emily and Lila got so freaking boring. They've finally actually made him a little more interesting. Of course, the whole pretending to be Sasha's baby daddy storyline is a retread, but the rest of his storyline is actually almost, dare I say it, good? 

4 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

The one who should be spared any anger is Dante. Because he didn't know and wasn't told.

It would be nice if they flipped the "you can't be my parent/child, I hate you" script and had Dante and Gio both kind of only bonding with each other, because they were the ones kept completely in the dark. 

I don't want a ton of anger directed BLQ's way, because a teenager putting a baby up for adoption is a perfectly acceptable choice, and Gio, by all accounts adored his mother, and vice versa. So he has no reason to be angry at BLQ.  Dante is probably going to have some anger, but I hope that's minimal, too, because he's a grown ass man now, and he has to understand how a teenager was scared and did the best she could. Lois and Gloria, on the other hand, played God with everyone's lives. 

[Daisy]

I sort of get where Laura is coming from (not seeing the scene, just going by what people said). for Laura it's probably devil you know vs. devil you don't. we all know Sonny is gummy bear candy mob and if someone else takes over it's a whole hell of a lot violent. 

 

the issue is she should be shutting sonny's butt anyway and making it so there are no more mobs period

[sashabear21]

It's so weird to me in this day and age that people would lie about a kid being adopted. Doing DNA tests like 23&Me or Ancestry.com were like a fun parlor game for awhile there, people still do them, cops use them to find familial DNA matches, plus you never know when someone's going to need an organ transplant or a bone marrow transfusion (or shoot their undercover cop kid in the chest).  We have a lot of adoptions in my family and they all know they're adopted but 23&Me has made it wild, one of my adopted siblings is genetically my 3rd cousin and that's from a completely closed adoption coming from a catholic home for unwed mothers back in the 70's.  When I met my husband, I made sure we checked our 23&Me for no familial matches because after we met, we discovered his great grampa and my great grandma grew up in adjoining villages and they were both, well...not the type of folk who adhered to Victorian era morals.  We figure they probably met up at some point, but we're thankfully not living in a VC Andrews novel. It just seems like a weird thing for Lois and Co. to lie to Gio about his whole life in this day and age. 

[Daisy]

Carly: I can't believe I came here to to watch you play God with other people's lives. 

Carly: playing God with other People's lives. 
it really must be a Spencer trait. 

[DanaK]

7 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

It just seems like a weird thing for Lois and Co. to lie to Gio about his whole life in this day and age

20+ years ago in an Italian, possibly Catholic, family? I can see it. Also, it wasn’t a regular adoption. Lois and her mom covered up that Gio was not adopted by strangers but by a cousin. So Brooklyn was lied to as well. I can see the two ladies wanting to hide all that subterfuge, even now

[dubbel zout]

10 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Lois and Gloria, on the other hand, played God with everyone's lives. 

I wonder if Lulu will see the parallels. Probably not, given how hellbent she is to spill the beans. She's playing God for good reasons. Lois and Gloria weren't. *rme*

Edited May 14 by dubbel zout

[GHScorpiosRule]

15 hours ago, Daisy said:

what really pisses me off is what they did to the Mac/His Girls dynamic. And I even sort of understand. it from a pyschological/sociological level that sure you think  I want a boy (just like some people just want a girl)  but for like 20+ years Mac's life was about Robin, Maxie and Georgie. They were HIS. DAUGHTERS. they all saw Mac as their father (I think Robin still just called mac Uncle but the father/daughter bond was there) and then they just shove useless stupid Cody in there  and it's like SCREW THAT, IT'S ALL ABOUT BIOLOGICAL BLOOD NOW. and Don't even get me started with Sasha being Robert's. pisses me STRAIGHT off. 

THIS times a 1000000000%

I still maintain Sasha IS NOT ROBERT'S child. No way this milksop is a Scorpio! Nope. Nevergonnaaccept it.

NuNuLooLoo can take a gazillion million seats and just SHUT IT.

NuNotMyEmma-just tell Anna-your GRANDMA and a former WSB spy, the TRUTH about why you wanted in on Dalton's class. You already confessed to why you were expelled, you idiot. But no, let's just maintain, because his class issoIMPORTANTTOMEEEEEE!

How Curtis and Trina can't see through Portia's shifty eyes and nervous manner to know she's lying or at least hiding something is just eye roll worthy. But plot's gotta plot and make people, who are otherwise intelligent, beyond stoopid.

[Cheyanne11]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I wonder if Lulu will see the parallels. Probably not, given how hellbent she is to spill the beans. She's playing God for good reasons. Lois and Gloria weren't. *rme*

As others noted, it's a sad, sad, SAD day when Carly is the one making sense.  

Also of note, Lulu STILL is 50/50 on if Brook Lynn knows Gio is her kid.  Like, fuck her, seriously.  So intent on laying all the blame at BLQ's feet so that when she spills the beans Dante will see her as the hero and Brook Lynn as the worst person in the world.  

Edited May 14 by Cheyanne11

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Also of note, Lulu STILL is 50/50 on if Brook Lynn knows Gio is her kid.  Like, fuck her, seriously. 

This is almost the worst part of it. It's breathtakingly presumptuous. Lulu saw how anguished BL was when she learned she had a son, but Lulu's like, "Well, she lies about other stuff, why not this?" I mean.... 

Garbage like this is why the story is so unpleasant rather than soapy.

Edited May 14 by dubbel zout

[KerleyQ]

4 hours ago, DanaK said:

20+ years ago in an Italian, possibly Catholic, family? I can see it. Also, it wasn’t a regular adoption. Lois and her mom covered up that Gio was not adopted by strangers but by a cousin. So Brooklyn was lied to as well. I can see the two ladies wanting to hide all that subterfuge, even now

I've been assuming that the biggest reason they kept his being adopted a secret was to keep what they did a secret. Gotta cover those tracks. 

[Bringonthedrama]

4 hours ago, DanaK said:

20+ years ago in an Italian, possibly Catholic, family? I can see it. Also, it wasn’t a regular adoption. Lois and her mom covered up that Gio was not adopted by strangers but by a cousin. So Brooklyn was lied to as well. I can see the two ladies wanting to hide all that subterfuge, even now

Absolutely.  They lied to a half dozen or so people and continue to lie to their faces. They don't want their lies to be discovered because it would blow up their lives by people esp. Brook Lynn, Gio, and Sonny being hurt and turning on them. Not to mention that when Gio lost his mother at age 12 (mentioned several times now), Brook Lynn and Dante could have served as parental types because they would have been about 25 and 30 years old. There was no good reason for Lois, Gloria and the cousin to never tell him he was adopted and to tell him his father died before he was born. It's cruel to let a child mourn a lie.

[dubbel zout]

I still have a hard time believing the secret could have been kept for so long. It's one thing for BL to disappear for a while and no one be the wiser that it was because she was pregnant, but what about the cousin? How exactly did the baby transfer work? And the close-knit neighborhood (as we're constantly being pummeled that it's the bestest place evah!) had no idea? Talk about plot point's gotta plot.

But whatever. I hate this story and find it incredibly ugly on so many fronts. 

[Sake614]

I can hand wave no one knowing the cousin was ‘pregnant” because she was supposed to be some famous violinist. All she had to do was say she was going on tour for 6 months and no one would question it. 

[absnow54]

14 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I still have a hard time believing the secret could have been kept for so long. It's one thing for BL to disappear for a while and no one be the wiser that it was because she was pregnant, but what about the cousin? How exactly did the baby transfer work? And the close-knit neighborhood (as we're constantly being pummeled that it's the bestest place evah!) had no idea? Talk about plot point's gotta plot.

But whatever. I hate this story and find it incredibly ugly on so many fronts. 

Maybe the cousin was also pregnant and it could have been one of your regular, run of the mill Soap Opera still birth baby swaps. Happens all the time. 

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

I can hand wave no one knowing the cousin was ‘pregnant” because she was supposed to be some famous violinist. All she had to do was say she was going on tour for 6 months and no one would question it. 

I question it, LOL. Is the war hero real? He would have had to be on leave at a feasible time for her to get "pregnant" and then go on tour and return with a baby. If the war hero isn't real, I don't see how her getting "pregnant" is any more scandalous than BL.

I guess it doesn't matter if the dad is real, but it's super gross to perpetuate a secret using a dead man, let alone a supposed war hero.

I'm sure I'm asking more questions than the writers are about the whole situation. But hey, that's what viewers do, so at least think things through a bit more than "sekrit baby given up for adoption."

Edited May 14 by dubbel zout

[statsgirl]

Willow "I stand by Drew because I'm just trying to protect my family" is so annoying. You're still married to Michael, nitwit. It hasn't even been that long since he left.

Speaking of nitwits -- Alexis. Just talk to Kristina and tell her that you know about the brakes. If she's too fragile to hear that, she shouldn't be allowed out without a minder.

Nitwit Kai -- you can get a day pass to see Trina's performance. You don't need to be discharged from the hospital. Also Trina, Kai is not dying. You're allowed a night off.

Nitwit #4 Carly. But that goes without saying.

Laura, the older boys carry some of the blame for Rocco's drinking too much. But most of it is on him, and on the adults who didn't give him 'the talk'. Why doesn't anyone in his family point that out?

2 hours ago, Sake614 said:

I can hand wave no one knowing the cousin was ‘pregnant” because she was supposed to be some famous violinist. All she had to do was say she was going on tour for 6 months and no one would question it. 

Or she was 'artist in residence' for a year somewhere and met the man there. IMO, it's the easier part of this story to fanwank.

I am as tired of the adoption story as I am of Kristina's brake-cutting.

[Bringonthedrama]

Now Boyle is complaining about Laura having breakfast with her own children in public and taunting mother and daughter? Ugh, go away dude. I personally am thrilled to see GF having a scene with both JJ and AH since it's so rare. Laura deserves to spend time with her Spencer kids after so much time apart. Lucky being very subdued instead of all smiles about living with Elizabeth and their son is appropriate because he's lying about her accident. Then Ric doing the same thing to her face while bragging about his new car (that he got with blackmail money) was worse and gross. 

Stella is funny. I can tolerate dull Kai if she's in the scene.

Good throw-away line from Dante about the boys planting for Lulu/their punishment continues.  But the self-righteousness from Kristina about Alexis, ugh. At least Dante can tell she's withholding something from him.

I don't think Willow could be any more naive and a complete idiot and then she surprises me.  Now your "love" thinks he's brilliant for framing your burn victim husband as an absentee father by choice since he didn't go to Baltimore, and you don't vocally react??

LoL at Jason snapping at Carly and once again, and she thinks she's going to handle the problem she created. Because that thinking has worked out so well for her in the past.

Re: preview - Lucky doesn't get to ask Alexis or anyone else why Ric's lying when he is also lying.

[Cheyanne11]

2 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Or she was 'artist in residence' for a year somewhere and met the man there. IMO, it's the easier part of this story to fanwank.

Imagining making up a dead father/husband out of whole cloth then selling that story, and your grief, to your family for 12 years.  That gives me The Ick.

[mariah23]

I hate custody battle stories.  Just resurrect Silas Clay and he can get custody of his grandchildren.

[dubbel zout]

Can we get rid of Suzanne, please? She's really annoying, as well as pointless.

5 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Laura, the older boys carry some of the blame for Rocco's drinking too much. But most of it is on him, and on the adults who didn't give him 'the talk'. Why doesn't anyone in his family point that out?

Right? No one held a gun to his head. He could have faked some of the drinking too. Rocco didn't even want to be there in the first place.

5 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I am as tired of the adoption story as I am of Kristina's brake-cutting.

Kristina is so one-note. I want Alexis to tell her she knows about the brake cutting just to move this dumb story along. If it sends Kristina over the edge, so much the better. She can go off the Shady Brook for a few months.

Edited May 14 by dubbel zout

[ciarra]

13 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Can we get rid of Suzanne, please?

co-sign.

As for the brakes, Kristina will never be held accountable.  Just like Sonny murdering Jagger.

[KittenPokerCheater]

I would cheer beyond all cheering if they would write off Kristina.

[dubbel zout]

I loved how CW played Nina's reluctant support for Willow. That was very funny.

[YaddaYadda]

8 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I loved how CW played Nina's reluctant support for Willow. That was very funny.

Reluctant support for Willow.

Complete and utter contempt for Drew.

Her non verbal acting was pretty funny.

[Perkie]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Nitwit Kai

Why was he using those parallel bar thingys that we usually see someone who's standing up from a wheelchair with the PT telling how great a job he's doing .  and yet he spent the rest of the episode walking around the room on his own steam, talking to Stella, like he didn't just have surgery.  Was there a problem with having him be sitting in a wheelchair while talking to Stella?   Either he's recovering or he's already recovered, it can't be both.  

[db1702]

At this point I would love to see Nina be given custody of the children by the judge. Hopefully Diane mentioning it was foreshadowing what is going to happen. 

The reaction of Carly and Drew/Willow would be hilarious to watch. 

 

[Perkie]

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

he's brilliant for framing your burn victim husband as an absentee father

That was so dumb.   He's not here for his kids because he's recovering from third degree burns, you moron.   The smarter route here, would be to emphasize WHY he's recovering from third degree burns.....because dear ole' dad is a mob boss that had a hit put out on him and the grandkids could be in danger whenever they visit Grandpa Sonny.  

4 minutes ago, db1702 said:

At this point I would love to see Nina be given custody of the children

But Nina getting custody isn't much different than Willow since Willow will just go to her mother's house and hang out with the kids.  

[absnow54]

Jonathan Jackson’s deadpan laugh at the mention of Ric deserves all the awards. 

[JMO]

Hated to be reminded of Lucky's deception of Elizabeth today.  Hated that I'd forgotten about it because I hadn't seen Lucky in forever.  What a waste of a legacy character's return. 

 

[dubbel zout]

21 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Nina getting custody isn't much different than Willow since Willow will just go to her mother's house and hang out with the kids.  

As long as Drew isn't around, Nina won't care.

[KittyQ]

Why on earth is Lucky covering for Kristina? I can imagine him not wanting to throw her under the bus, so to speak, but does he care enough about Kristina to gaslight Elizabeth about her memory of the crash? And by the way, protecting Ric's and Ava's blackmail scheme, even if inadvertently. 

[TVbitch]

Kai: I just had complicated, experimental back surgery that someone else paid for, in the hopes that I could play football again, which is so important to me I'm willing to risk paralysis for, but hey, can you let me out of the hospital early so I can go see my girlfriend sing and dance poorly at the Nurse's Ball?! 🙄

[dubbel zout]

45 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Why on earth is Lucky covering for Kristina?

I think it's as simple (and as dumb) as feeling sorry for her. 

[Perkie]

2 hours ago, KittyQ said:

Why on earth is Lucky covering for Kristina?

She gave him a sob story about how if she went to jail, her mother would lose another daughter.  And since Alexis lost that daughter because she was giving Lucky's sister a part of her liver, he feels guilty.   

[Daisy]

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

She gave him a sob story about how if she went to jail, her mother would lose another daughter.  And since Alexis lost that daughter because she was giving Lucky's sister a part of her liver, he feels guilty.   

 

too bad she didn't think about that when she broke the law, dumbass. 

[rur]

7 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

LoL at Jason snapping at Carly and once again, and she thinks she's going to handle the problem she created. Because that thinking has worked out so well for her in the past.

.

Carly, who yesterday lectured Lulu about playing God with other people's lives. Good old Carly, self-aware as ever. 

[statsgirl]

6 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

As long as Drew isn't around, Nina won't care.

Willow is such a dolt that she would probably insist on Drew being there for "my family".

[KerleyQ]

CW did a good job of Nina looking like she was trying to fight back the bile when she had to pretend to support Willow's love for Drew. 

This custody storyline just gets dumber by the scene. So, now the custody suit "Michael" filed is going to be heard with him unable to be there, and, more importantly, unable to be there to take care of his kids?  And if the judge is inclined to say the kids aren't safe under Drew's roof, Willow is even dumber than we thought if she doesn't agree to move the kids out of Drew's house to retain custody. Of course, that wouldn't be the first time this show had a supposedly devoted mother who wanted kids more than anything in the world jeopardize custody of them to be with a guy who is not worth it. 

Has Drew even checked in on Kai since the surgery? Did the writers forget the part where he had his hand in that? 

How has it still not occurred to Kristina, given the timing and all, that Alexis might have an inkling about her causing the accident? Just a total coincidence that her mother decided to try to have her committed right at the same time as she cut Ava's brakes and almost killed two people? And her continuing to go on about how grateful and happy she is about Molly sticking up for her is pretty gross when she knows she almost killed Molly's father. 

Oh, good, that preview of Dante ranting about Gio again. For fuck's sake, show. 

[ljr]

When will Jason confront joss about her Easter island trip? Remember he was suspicious. 
the more lies joss says the dumber her story is.

why is  it so important  to Drew to get custody of his nephews kids?

 

[graight]

I guess Drew will go after Nina now that Ezra told him about her talking to Jacinda. The "Drew was drugged" story keeps floating around in the background.

Here I go again, but did Dante move into Lulu's new house?  He sure has a lot of meetings with people there while she's away (Kristina today).

[nilyank]

My bigger question is how Lulu was able to afford that house. Is she renting or did she buy it.

Prior to moving in, she only has worked at Deception for a few months and is now only a freelance Girl Reporter.

[rur]

7 minutes ago, nilyank said:

My bigger question is how Lulu was able to afford that house. Is she renting or did she buy it.

Prior to moving in, she only has worked at Deception for a few months and is now only a freelance Girl Reporter.

She's apparently renting it out to friends and family as an event space. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

I can't with the utter stupidity and insult to my intelligence of this show.

And I refuse to believe JJ agreed to this craptastic clusterfuck. Yet, I will still watch because I love him, no matter what.

Who else thinks that Ezra baiting Laura was intentional so that she would hit him? The water thrown in his face will be used, for sure. And I wonder if Genie broke character, because her last giggle didn't look scripted.

9 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

How has it still not occurred to Kristina, given the timing and all, that Alexis might have an inkling about her causing the accident? Just a total coincidence that her mother decided to try to have her committed right at the same time as she cut Ava's brakes and almost killed two people? And her continuing to go on about how grateful and happy she is about Molly sticking up for her is pretty gross when she knows she almost killed Molly's father. 

THIS. Like it doesn't even occur to this peabrain, that her mother figured it out. We know she was told, but the utter self-absorption makes me want to bash her head against the wall.

As for why Lucky is acting out of character? Because this bint manipulated him, and it's the Mooby Effect. Now I'm wishing Elizabeth had been hurt worse. Then maybe Lucky would have hauled her ass to jail himself. Wait. I forgot who's running and writing this show.

Those scenes with Willow's shock that the SLS is proceeding with the divorce made my eyes roll so hard they nearly fell out. Did she think he would just wait indefinitely? It's been over 6 months since she was served and she STILL didn't respond to the initial papers?

Listen, you nitwit; you're still married, wearing your wedding ring, AND living with the man you boinked. But sure, the SLS should be A-Okay with that, right?

That said, this whole story is beyond lame and STOOPID. I expect the new SLS to walk into the hearing, if Ric doesn't succeed at getting a postponement.

9 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Oh, good, that preview of Dante ranting about Gio again. For fuck's sake, show. 

Seriously.

At this point, I'm hoping (and in vain, I'm sure) for a Robert Return and a Robin cameo at the Ball. It would be AWESOMESAUCE if they arrived together.

Off Topic, I just happened to be scrolling Instagram and saw Kimberly's posts of  her wee one, and that she and Finola were chatting back and forth. It fills my heart up to see they still keep in touch.

Edited Thursday at 01:43 PM by GHScorpiosRule

[Perkie]

11 hours ago, Daisy said:

too bad she didn't think about that when she broke the law, dumbass. 

Like father, like daughter.  How many times has Sonny (or his apologists/enablers) wrung their hands and declared that he cant go to jail because he's claustraphobic.  If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.  

 

8 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Has Drew even checked in on Kai since the surgery? Did the writers forget the part where he had his hand in that? 

The writers haven't forgotten, because they constantly have Trina complain about the documentary crew that Drew hired.  Though the writers memories tend to be selective. 

 

43 minutes ago, nilyank said:

My bigger question is how Lulu was able to afford that house. Is she renting or did she buy it.

The other day when Carly strolled in without knocking, I thought for sure she'd say something about Lulu renting it from her.  Which would explain just strolling in without knocking.  Though this is Carly so.......

36 minutes ago, rur said:

She's apparently renting it out to friends and family as an event space.

Ok, that made me laugh out loud.  You win the internet for me today!!

[dubbel zout]

12 hours ago, Daisy said:

too bad she didn't think about that when she broke the law, dumbass. 

Too bad Lucky isn't thinking about how she nearly killed the self-proclaimed love of his life, dumbass. Gah.

9 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Oh, good, that preview of Dante ranting about Gio again. For fuck's sake, show. 

Are they setting up something here? I can't tell. /s

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Those scenes with Willow's shock that the SLS is proceeding with the divorce made my eyes roll so hard they nearly fell out. Did she think he would just wait indefinitely?

I mean, I don't think it's unreasonable for her to think he'd wait until he was back in town, not in 2 weeks.

Though I presume at this point that will be the moment the recast shows up in a dramatic court room scene!

[dubbel zout]

34 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Though I presume at this point that will be the moment the recast shows up in a dramatic court room scene!

Using Google Translate to scream "J'accuse!" at her, no doubt.