Carlin and Evan: But Mostly Carlin!

[SMama]

I’d be surprised if they skip the rehearsal dinner. Carlin took a huge risk getting on that plane. Does anyone think she’ll give up the opportunity to tell anyone who will (or don’t want to) listen about all the scary medical “events” she endured to make it to the wedding? I hope she proves me wrong. 
 

[emmawoodhouse]

The fundies seem to have different protocols when it comes to the rehearsal dinner. It seems like the entire immediate family shows up, whether they're in the wedding party or not. 

I expect the Stew Crew will be there.

[cereality]

Can't separate a fool from her fundie wedding. Evan looked like a grinning idiot at the airport at 4 am and on the plane - as if his wife hadn't just been in the ER 4 hours prior. Sorry to say it but in that sleeping on the plane pic, Carlin was OUT as if she's exhausted - which her body is.

They landed in LA around 1030 CA time and are likely arriving in SD by 130ish. Tiff said earlier the rehearsal starts at 230ish. No way they are not going to attend. What are they going to do sit in their hotel until tomorrow and actually have Carlin rest - LOL no. Cue Carlin rushing around to straighten her hair, do some makeup product placements, putting Layla in whatever monstrosity she has chosen, taking pics at the rehearsal event with HER man, and yes telling her story over and over of whatever she's endured since Saturday to get here.

Don't have the patience to watch any of the wedding videos but is it accurate that the wedding [or maybe the reception?] is on a boat?? Please tell me you can rent out some Navy ship as an event space and hold your event there while it's anchored? Because if this means that the wedding/party is on an actual yacht type boat, do Carlin and Evan realize that once the boat takes off they are stuck for hours? Whether she feels well or not, there's no saying hi to the couple/taking a few pics/getting the kids some cake and heading back to the hotel early.

[3 is enough]

I forgot that they follow different sets of rules.  Oh well. Traditionally the groom's parents pay for the rehearsal dinner so Gil and Kelly can't complain that there could be over 50 people there.

[SMama]

If they were not deterred by being stuck in a plane for at least five hours being away from shore won’t even register as a possible obstacle. They must be in the middle of whatever is going on. Kudos to Evan for having his brand new camera, (for the vlog) with mike on him the entire time. SBaby was an awesome traveler, but between carry ons, running to the other side of the airport for our gate, and the normal care of a baby we were lucky to get our phone out for a picture. These two are something else. 

[65mickey]

I am relieved to see that they made in one piece as they say. But they took a big chance. 

[SMama]

@cereality for the win! Carlin posted from their hotel room, Katie is doing her hair, and she’s shilling that Navy hair product. Thankfully Layla is wearing a cute dress and sandals. On the flight here she was wearing an awful long sleeve romper. 

[SMama]

Carlin and Evan are loving San Diego and are doing some sightseeing before the wedding. The wedding is on a yacht. They need to get sweaters for the kids because Carlin packed sleeveless outfits. Do these two ever think ahead? Are they so dense they don’t get temperatures are lower in coastal cities? 

[ehall1052]

21 hours ago, 3 is enough said:

I forgot that they follow different sets of rules.  Oh well. Traditionally the groom's parents pay for the rehearsal dinner so Gil and Kelly can't complain that there could be over 50 people there.

When my son got married, I invited all out of town guests that flew in to the rehearsal dinner. I thought that was the least I could do if they paid all that money to attend.

[Rootbeer]

22 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

The fundies seem to have different protocols when it comes to the rehearsal dinner. It seems like the entire immediate family shows up, whether they're in the wedding party or not. 

I expect the Stew Crew will be there.

Nowadays, a lot of people invite any out of town guests who might be coming to the wedding to go to the rehearsal dinner, too.  I've been invited to a couple when I've gone to weddings in other states.

[SMama]

Just now, Rootbeer said:

Nowadays, a lot of people invite any out of town guests who might be coming to the wedding to go to the rehearsal dinner, too.  I've been invited to a couple when I've gone to weddings in other states.

This has been my experience as well. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Makes sense. And also consider that most of those from out of state are Bateses. 

And JD/Abbie. 😀

[Rootbeer]

26 minutes ago, SMama said:

Carlin and Evan are loving San Diego and are doing some sightseeing before the wedding. The wedding is on a yacht. They need to get sweaters for the kids because Carlin packed sleeveless outfits. Do these two ever think ahead? Are they so dense they don’t get temperatures are lower in coastal cities? 

Have they never flown on an airplane or stayed in a building with air conditioning?  I'll bet even people who live in San Diego put sweaters on their kids fairly often.  Also, have they never been on a boat on the water?  I live near one of the Great Lakes and I can attest that it is quite breezy and a lot cooler on the deck of a boat than on land.  These two are fools.  How do you travel with a newborn and NOT have layers to keep him warm?  Did she not bring a swaddle or blanket for him?  Couldn't he be wrapped in that if it's cool?  Doesn't one of her umpteen sisters with umpteen kids have a sweater she could borrow for Layla just in case?  Running out and buying new stuff because you were too dumb to pack properly is a waste of money.

As far as her anemia, has  she said what has caused it?  If it is from the birth, that was 6 weeks ago.  If her hemoglobin is only 9 due to blood loss/iron deficiency 6 weeks later, then 1.  dumba** didn't take her iron pills as prescribed and/ or 2.  Her diet is really terrible and she doesn't eat enough nutritious foods containing iron.

In general, if someone is anemic but no longer actively bleeding, they should be able to make a gram of hemoglobin a week on iron replacement.  If Carlin's hemoglobin is 9 now, it would have had to have been 3 when she delivered.  That is transfusion territory (around 6 in an otherwise healthy new mom is ok).  So, she either has some other issue causing her to be anemic or she isn't following instructions.

Edited May 12, 2022 by Rootbeer

[65mickey]

Most like from the blood thinners that she has been on throughout the pregnancy and is still on.

[So unbelievable]

10 hours ago, SMama said:

Carlin and Evan are loving San Diego and are doing some sightseeing before the wedding. The wedding is on a yacht. They need to get sweaters for the kids because Carlin packed sleeveless outfits. Do these two ever think ahead? Are they so dense they don’t get temperatures are lower in coastal cities? 

That would require them  thinking, which they just don't know how to do.  Poor planning on so many levels.

But, she made sure to pack all her toiletries.  I hate how she says that word 😬  Her talking in general grates on my every last nerve.

[ozziemom]

Yes, poor planning seems to affect a lot of the Bates. How many times did we see KJ and the girls running around the night  before some party buying decorations? Or the day of the party frantically setting up? 

[Rootbeer]

14 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Most like from the blood thinners that she has been on throughout the pregnancy and is still on.

Blood thinners do not cause anemia unless there is active bleeding.  If her bleeding after delivery was so severe that she was unable to bring her hemoglobin up over 9 in 6 weeks, that is not normal, blood thinners or not.  Most people on blood thinners have normal blood counts.

[65mickey]

32 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

Blood thinners do not cause anemia unless there is active bleeding.  If her bleeding after delivery was so severe that she was unable to bring her hemoglobin up over 9 in 6 weeks, that is not normal, blood thinners or not.  Most people on blood thinners have normal blood counts.

Maybe cause is not the right wood. However one of the side effects of taking blood thinners is low red blood cell count or anemia. This is associated with fatigue, weakness dizziness, nausea and shortness of breath. Bleeding is not the only side effect. 

[BitterApple]

IIRC, Carlin said her level was at a 12 and then dropped to 8 and went up to 9 by the time she tested in Nashville. I'm not a doctor so I have no idea what this means, but I think it was the steep drop that had everyone so concerned. She mentioned people who were at the boutique sale DM'ing her to see if she was okay, so I think she either fainted during the cash-and-carry or was about to, and they had to call the ambulance. 

As far as Carlin's diet, all that woman eats is junk and fast food. Twice daily Sonic runs, Cracker Barrel, Starbucks, McDonald's, etc. She certainly isn't winning points in the healthy living department. I imagine she would be extremely frustrating to have as a patient.

[Absolom]

4 hours ago, ozziemom said:

Yes, poor planning seems to affect a lot of the Bates. How many times did we see KJ and the girls running around the night  before some party buying decorations? Or the day of the party frantically setting up? 

Some of that was TLC driven.  They do that on a lot of their shows for drama.  One of the multiple shows always had a lot of last minute shopping and decorating.  Of course, it could have also been a natural Bates thing, too.  

[SMama]

For someone allegedly managing such a large household (especially when all 19 were home) KJ’s never come across as organized. Michael, Alyssa, and Josie do came across as organized even when young. 

[andromeda331]

15 hours ago, SMama said:

For someone allegedly managing such a large household (especially when all 19 were home) KJ’s never come across as organized. Michael, Alyssa, and Josie do came across as organized even when young. 

She's not. She's completely lazy. She pushes it all off onto everyone else and does nothing herself.

[Rootbeer]

22 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Maybe cause is not the right wood. However one of the side effects of taking blood thinners is low red blood cell count or anemia. This is associated with fatigue, weakness dizziness, nausea and shortness of breath. Bleeding is not the only side effect. 

Blood thinners do not cause anemia as a side effect.  Really, they don't.  I'm a board certified OB/GYN with 40 years' experience in prescribing them.  Some, like heparin, can cause low platelet counts, AKA thrombocytopenia, but that is not anemia.

I expect her hemoglobin was 12 before delivery which is a respectable, non-anemic level, for a pregnant woman.  She was using blood thinners for almost 9 months at that point and hadn't become anemic; so clearly her anemia wasn't due to that.  Her hemoglobin probably dropped to 8 after delivery due to the blood loss from giving birth.  That big a drop indicates she probably lost more than average from the birth, but was not dangerously low.  Iron supplements would've been prescribed for a month or so postpartum.  A woman who had experienced a drop like that would potentially have some fatigue, dizziness on standing quickly, etc, at least initially, but the health human body adapts to anemia, and, presuming she was taking the prescribed iron, she should've been virtually asymptomatic in 2 weeks tops.

The fact that her hemoglobin was still low at 9 6 weeks after giving birth indicates that she has an inadequate iron intake, both medication and dietary.  However, the whole 'episode' where she got the vapors and fainted and needed an ambulance would be not likely to occur at that blood level (or at 8 gms) and indicates what we already know; Carlin is a drama queen extraordinaire who craves attention and sympathy and it is most likely she was suffering from acute attention-deficiency and not anemia when she had her 'episode'.  She's been moderately anemic for a couple of months now, she would've adapted to it weeks ago and, except perhaps for some shortness of breath with moderate exertion and perhaps being more tired at the end of the day; she wouldn't have had the symptoms she claims just from anemia 6 weeks after giving birth.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Rootbeer

[BitterApple]

Jesus take the wheel, because I just can't with these two. Evan vlogs about what happened with Carlin:

https://youtu.be/dANoZJWFgbE

Carlin passed out TWICE at the cash and carry sale. The first time she was sitting in a chair, the second time was when she walked around a table to take a picture. For whatever reason, she and Evan seem to consider this fainting shit normal, although in his defense he didn't get to the shop until the second incident. The first one wasn't  "bad", but the second one she went down and started shaking. She was conscious, but not fully there. An EMT happened to be at the boutique with his wife and they moved Carlin to the back room, but she was apparently shaking for TWENTY minutes before Evan and Co. decided to call the ambulance. At one point Carlin started complaining of leg and muscle pain. So thirty minutes after she passed out, she finally gets to the hospital, they run a bunch of tests and tell her they have no idea what the problem is. 

At Carlin's six-week checkup her iron was at a 12, the next day it dropped to 9.5. She's had chronic fatigue, dizziness and blurred vision since Zade's birth. And they still got on a plane to California.

I can't believe she hasn't made an appointment with a specialist by now. This is insane. 

 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2022 by BitterApple

[emmawoodhouse]

I watched the video. They are playing with fire. It almost sounds neurological at this point.

[Rootbeer]

32 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Jesus take the wheel, because I just can't with these two. Evan vlogs about what happened with Carlin:

https://youtu.be/dANoZJWFgbE

Carlin passed out TWICE at the cash and carry sale. The first time she was sitting in a chair, the second time was when she walked around a table to take a picture. For whatever reason, she and Evan seem to consider this fainting shit normal, although in his defense he didn't get to the shop until the second incident. The first one wasn't  "bad", but the second one she went down and started shaking. She was conscious, but not fully there. An EMT happened to be at the boutique with his wife and they moved Carlin to the back room, but she was apparently shaking for TWENTY minutes before Evan and Co. decided to call the ambulance. At one point Carlin started complaining of leg and muscle pain. So thirty minutes after she passed out, she finally gets to the hospital, they run a bunch of tests and tell her they have no idea what the problem is. 

At Carlin's six-week checkup her iron was at a 12, the next day it dropped to 9.5. She's had chronic fatigue, dizziness and blurred vision since Zade's birth. And they still got on a plane to California.

I can't believe she hasn't made an appointment with a specialist by now. This is insane. 2 to 

There is no way her hemoglobin dropped from 12 to 9.5 overnight without evidence of significant hemorrhage.  Most likely, the EMT's started an IV and pumped her full of fluids and someone at the hospital mistakenly drew blood from the vein where the IV was placed and it was diluted by the fluid.  Or the whole thing is BS.  Could be either one.

In order for the hemoglobin to drop by 1 gram, about one unit of blood would need to be lost.  There are roughly 500 cc in a unit of blood; so, Carlin lost the equivalent of almost a 2 liter bottle of blood overnight and no one noticed?  The hospital didn't insist on admitting her and looking for hidden bleeding from her GI tract?  No, just no.  The medical pros realized that the second value was inaccurate probably because it was drawn from the IV and sent her home.

As for twitching and shaking, that happens a lot when people faint.  Carlin could've hyperventilated and caused herself to become lightheaded and fall to the floor where she would shake for a while.  Even anxiety can cause what is known as a vasovagal reaction which is probably what happened here.  There is no way her hemoglobin dropped that much over just a day without evidence of very significant bleeding.

I really doubt it is neurological, I think that it is much more likely due to anxiety and emotions with a heaping helping of not enough sleep and a crummy diet.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Rootbeer

[ginger90]

27 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

but the second one she went down and started shaking.

Was this followed up on in the video? As in, shaking like a shiver, or shaking/twitching  as in a seizure or convulsion?

[BitterApple]

2 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Was this followed up on in the video? As in, shaking like a shiver, or shaking/twitching  as in a seizure or convulsion?

Evan described it as more like shivering rather than seizing. Carlin experienced the same thing when she passed out during Zade's birth. I'm not sure what it means. If Evan elaborated on it, I didn't catch that part. 

[Rootbeer]

5 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Was this followed up on in the video? As in, shaking like a shiver, or shaking/twitching  as in a seizure or convulsion?

People who have vasovagal reactions will shake/twitch, their eyes can roll back, they can groan or mutter incoherently.  It would like like a seizure to the average passerby.  If she had a real neurologically based seizure, she would probably have peed her pants and she would've been in a post-ictal state for half an hour or more afterwards.  People who are post-ictal are confused, often a little combative, cannot answer questions coherently, and are 'awake' but not really.  I'd be willing to bet that none of that happened to Carlin.

I presume that Carlin's 'episode' during birth was witnessed by medical professionals.  If there was any concern that she had a seizure; a CT scan, EEG and spinal tap would've been done immediately.  She would've also had an EKG and maybe a cardiac echo and Holter monitor if there were concerns about her heart.  The fact that she went home in the usual amount of time after the birth indicates to me that it wasn't a seizure at all.

I am not a shrink, but Carlin has the sort of high strung, attention seeking personality that is more likely to experience this sort of stuff.

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Edited May 14, 2022 by Rootbeer

[BitterApple]

1 minute ago, Rootbeer said:

People who have vasovagal reactions will shake/twitch, their eyes can roll back, they can groan or mutter incoherently.  It would like like a seizure to the average passerby.  

Given what's going on with Carlin, even if it's largely due to anxiety, would you have cleared her to fly? She said the ER doctor gave the okay, the others recommended she not go. Granted, this is all being filtered through Carlin's lense. Nobody really knows the emergency doc's exact wording. 

[ginger90]

Just now, Rootbeer said:

I'd be willing to bet that none of that happened to Carlin.

I agree, but their interpretation of  medical matters, and instructions given, baffles the mind. I was wondering what they verbalized. They are quite the pair.

[Rootbeer]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

Given what's going on with Carlin, even if it's largely due to anxiety, would you have cleared her to fly? She said the ER doctor gave the okay, the others recommended she not go. Granted, this is all being filtered through Carlin's lense. Nobody really knows the emergency doc's exact wording. 

This is probably going to sound harsh, and, remember, I am not Carlin's doctor, have never examined her and only know what I've seen on TV and on the internet.  However, my experience has been that with anxious, needy patients who tend towards having physical manifestations of their symptoms; it is best to encourage them to carry on and live their life.  I would've encouraged her to go as long as she and Evan felt comfortable doing so. She was far less likely to have symptoms if she was out doing something fun. Traveling and being distracted by a family gathering and wedding is going to prevent further 'episodes', IMO.  You'll notice there hasn't been a word about Carlin's fragile condition since she got to California.

[Rootbeer]

5 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I agree, but their interpretation of  medical matters, and instructions given, baffles the mind. I was wondering what they verbalized. They are quite the pair.

I am always astounded about the number of patients who misunderstand what I've told them about their condition and the plan to evaluate and/or treat it.  I talk a lot, I am big on giving out written handouts explaining the typical issues I treat including what causes it, what tests are needed to confirm it, what the options for treatment are and the potential side effects and risks.  And, yet, at least weekly, I will hear from a patient who I thought understood things well and their version of what I said is unrecognizable to me.

Carlin and Evan are not alone in redefining the doctor's advice, it happens all the time.  Remember, too, they are reliant on social media for a significant portion of their income.  Stuff like this: medical emergencies, mystery illnesses, possible seizures are going to generate a bunch more clicks that videos of their toddler beating up her baby brother.  If they came out and said, 'Carlin fainted but all the testing was negative and the doctor thinks her blood work was a lab error.  They told her she needs to get more rest and eat a better diet and drink more fluids,' it is not going to be the moneymaker that all the other stuff is.

[Dehumidifier]

Could those episodes be caused by not eating, having coffee for breakfast and lunch, thereby causing some dehydration? I could see her thinking she needed to lose the baby weight (not that I saw any on her) quickly to look good at the wedding.

[emmawoodhouse]

Yeah, I thought about her not eating as well. She obviously wants to be like her sisters who drop their baby weight in like two weeks. 

[Rootbeer]

54 minutes ago, Dehumidifier said:

Could those episodes be caused by not eating, having coffee for breakfast and lunch, thereby causing some dehydration? I could see her thinking she needed to lose the baby weight (not that I saw any on her) quickly to look good at the wedding.

Sure.  Poor nutrition, prolonged fasting leading to hypoglycemia and dehydration can cause and exacerbate symptoms.

[Spazamanaz]

1 hour ago, Rootbeer said:

If she had a real neurologically based seizure, she would probably have peed her pants and she would've been in a post-ictal state for half an hour or more afterwards. 

I have epilepsy and I have never peed my pants. The postictal phase can last for seconds, minutes, hours, and sometimes even days. I think Evan was saying that the guy in the store who helped was an emt ( don't quote me) and he said that it wasn't a seizure because Carlin wasn't unconscious.  Which is a fallacy. Seizures symptoms vary and can include a sudden change in awareness or full loss of consciousness, unusual sensations or thoughts, involuntary twitching or stiffness in the body or severe stiffening and limb shaking with loss of consciousness (a convulsion.) I've had one seizure in my life where I've lost consciousness. 

[Rootbeer]

5 minutes ago, Spazamanaz said:

I have epilepsy and I have never peed my pants. The postictal phase can last for seconds, minutes, hours, and sometimes even days. I think Evan was saying that the guy in the store who helped was an emt ( don't quote me) and he said that it wasn't a seizure because Carlin wasn't unconscious.  Which is a fallacy. Seizures symptoms vary and can include a sudden change in awareness or full loss of consciousness, unusual sensations or thoughts, involuntary twitching or stiffness in the body or severe stiffening and limb shaking with loss of consciousness (a convulsion.) I've had one seizure in my life where I've lost consciousness. 

There are various kinds of seizures, you're correct.  It depends on where in the brain they start and how extensive they are.  Most EMT's have witnessed seizures of all kinds, and, if he said that it wasn't a seizure, there could well have been other reasons besides Carlin's level of consciousness that lead him to that conclusion.  Since Carlin was supposedly lying on the floor shaking for at least half an hour, one would expect that this would've been a pretty significant neurologic event; hence, my statement that it would be unusual if she didn't urinate and wasn't post-ictal afterwards.  Most seizures last seconds at most, very few last 30 minutes.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Rootbeer

[Spazamanaz]

15 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

There are various kinds of seizures, you're correct.  It depends on where in the brain they start and how extensive they are.  Most EMT's have witnessed seizures of all kinds, and, if he said that it wasn't a seizure, there could well have been other reasons besides Carlin's level of consciousness that lead him to that conclusion.  Since Carlin was supposedly lying on the floor shaking for at least half an hour, one would expect that this would've been a pretty significant neurologic event; hence, my statement that it would be unusual if she didn't urinate and wasn't post-ictal afterwards.  Most seizures last seconds at most, very few last 30 minutes.

My mistake. I didn't realize it lasted 30 minutes. I didn't watch the entire video. Yah, 30 minutes is every unusual.  Maybe he's including that postictal phase as part of the episode.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Spazamanaz

[emmawoodhouse]

It was unclear from the video how long the EMT stayed with Carlin. Shouldn't he have recommended an ambulance sooner if she continued to exhibit symptoms? Why did they wait so long?

[3 is enough]

Honestly I have no words.

But it would definitely call off the business trip if I were her.  They were lucky that nothing happened in CA, but that doesn’t mean she won’t have another episode.

[So unbelievable]

Will her stupid ass take it seriously when she passes out with no one around and drops her newborn?  

[GeeGolly]

I don't know if this has been addressed, but did Carlin use the ER for basically an office visit to get her levels checked prior to flying?

I agree with you all Carlin's issues are likely a combo of poor self-care, drama and clicks.

But even if Carlin was ill she has such FOMO she would have gone anyways. There is one pic of Lawson and Tiff - everyone in the background is looking at them, but Carlin - off to the side and about three rows back is staring right at the camera.

IMO, Carlin is the female version of Lawson.

[cereality]

And back in the ER last night - having passed out 3 times yesterday?! Evan now says he doesn’t trust her to be alone w Zade or drive - so he’s thinking of leaving her in Nash with his family bc he has to return to work. This is how bad it was but they felt fine going to Cali and pretty much pulling an all nighter on the first day bc they left the ER at midnight, airport at 4 am, 5 hr flight, 2-3 hr drive from LA, and then straight to the rehearsal dinner and staying up until midnight (3 am EST) catching up w people?!?

And then got back to Nash and went to some nephews baseball game + threw a graduation party for Evan?? Whatever is going on she needs to sit on the couch w the baby and do nothing else. I’m guessing she’ll get a chance to do that in Nash once Evan is gone and his siblings are all at work bc there won’t be constant activity with her MIL/FIL.

Edited May 16, 2022 by cereality

[ozziemom]

Carlin was back at the ER in Nashville yesterday, apparently she passed out 3 times. Sounds like they ran a bunch more tests but still no idea why this keeps happening. 

Edited May 15, 2022 by ozziemom
Post same time as Cereality!

[3 is enough]

So per her stories Carlin ended up back in the ER. 
Looks like they are FINALLY taking this seriously.  She had a full blood work up, EKG, CT scan, MRI, all of which came back normal.  They sent her home with a heart monitor which she has to wear for the next 24 hours.  
It appears she may stay with her in-laws while Evan goes back to work.  Evan has said he doesn’t want her driving or left alone with the kids.  The business trip has been cancelled.  I guess between the week off when Zade was born and the time off for the wedding Evan doesn’t have much time off left.

ETA: Looks like we all posted at the same time. When I started typing there were no new posts.

Edited May 15, 2022 by 3 is enough

[SMama]

Carlin scored another visit to the ER. They are still in Nashville and she canceled the work trip. Evan needs to return to work tomorrow and doesn’t want her driving or taking care of the kids on her own.

[emmawoodhouse]

So her hemoglobin is back up and the brain MRI looked normal. If I read her little blurbs right, they did send her home on a heart monitor. 

In conclusion, they don't know what is causing the fainting, but she fainted 3 times yesterday! That's insane. I hope she just stays in Nashville or goes home with Addee or another sister in attendance while Evan is at work. 

[65mickey]

Very scary. They both look exhausted. I hope they get to the bottom of this. It reminds me of when Alyssa was having arrhythmia and passing out. She stayed with the Websters while John was at work because she could ot drive or be left alone with the children. And I know what's wrong with Carlin may be different just saying that it sounds familiar. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Well, the heart monitor will pick up any arrhythmia or other issues.