S03.E10: Finna

[PrincessPurrsALot]

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Just when the crew thought that they could boss up, fate takes a turn on Desna and Roller. As the walls close in on Desna's Queendom, she is forced to make a choice no one would have expected.

Original air date 2019.08.11

[SimoneS]

Wait, Roller isn't gone for good? The actor isn't leaving because that would be sad as hell. I hope there is a way to clear Roller. Clay is so pathetic. The prison break was weak.

Damn, Ann and Joe were hardcore, burning down the casino and killing Benedict. Ann was right to do it though. Desna was going to get deeper and deeper with the Triad until the whole crew was killed.

Polly was annoying crying over Joe, but hopefully this is the beginning of a reunion with Ken.

Jenn and the botox was a secret, cracked me up.

[Chick2Chic]

A lot to process but not as busy as prior season finales.

I am glad Quiet Ann burned down the casino because Desna was going to keep making bad choices about it.

Loved all the Desna & Roller content in the ep. ❤

I liked Jen reading Clay and forcing him to be honest about the Toby & Clint situations, tho her timing could have been a bit better.

Everyone was talking about Desna's birthday but wasn't it Dean's birthday too? Also, did the writers say what birthday it was for her?

I like Ken better than Joe, which isn't saying much, but I don't care about any of Polly's romances. 

[RedInk]

Did Desna kill a corrections officer during that prison break? 

And is the story supposed to be that you just kill the gangster that has the entire police force on his payroll & then that's it? It's all over...dead & no loyal henchmen/family/repercussions. Monster has only one head? Okay. Anne sure did a lot of projecting, considering she was the criminal who actually involved her wife.  And then teamed up with a hitman who tortured & killed women. And then acted all smug like she was the only one to make a sensible decision lol. Lots more moral ambiguity in this one. I'd like Jen and Virginia to run & everyone else can just rot in jail. 

Edited August 12, 2019 by RedInk

[link417]

Damn it, Clay! Damn it, Ann! I am glad the casino is gone, but I wonder if this is the end of Desna and Ann’s friendship or if they’ll find a way to move forward. 

I also hope Roller isn’t gone for good. And we all know he’s not going to be sitting around with a candle in the window for Desna — I couldn’t help rolling my eyes when he said he’d wait for her.

I wonder if Benedict is actually dead? Seems like an anticlimactic way to go for a powerful member of the Triad.

Ugh, I hate that Polly is back with Ken! So boring.

[GodsBeloved]

Whoa that was ...

Where do I start.

I really do enjoy all the main characters, even Clay so I was pleased with the finale.

Behind Desna and Roller, I love Jenn and Bryce the most. I am glad they have overcome their obstacles and are still together. I like that Bryce chose to tell Jenn the truth instead of protecting Clay, especially given he lied about finding Toby.

Polly, Polly, Polly. I wasn't feeling sorry for her when Joe chose his wife (oh the horror in that!). I have mixed feelings about her running to Ken. I'd rather have Ken for Polly but clearly he is a rebound and I feel bad for him because he is so thirsty for Polly that he is willing to take her any way he can get her. Assuming there is a season 4, I'm hoping Polly develops real feelings for him or Ken walks.

Poor Dean. Assuming gets you some times. I like that Virginia was honest with him.

Roller was right. Clay stay lyin'. I need Desna to find out the truth again and drag Toby back and make him recant. Though Roller confessing might throw a wrinkle in that but if his black ass can survive being burned alive he can survive a murder confession LOL

I wasn't expecting that Ann but I guess I should have. Also, Triad guy was slippin'. He just said grief makes people unstable. He thinks Desna isn't all that sharp since she hadn't figured out that he was planning to open more casinos yet he lets Ann get him alone in the office without his phone, He should have at least assumed Ann knew he killed Arlene and by his own logic is unstable.

Desna was all kinds of wrong asking Ann to get her brother to meet Triad guy but it did lead to Ann getting revenge so there's that.

Having said that, I hope he's dead but won't be surprised if he pulls a Roller.

Speaking of, Roller was firing on all cylinders tonight. All.Of.Them!

Good grief, Desna and Roller were everything. When they started out with the sexy/loving times, I said, oh lawd! they gon crush my DesnaRoller lovin heart.

Breakfast in bed, promised Havana honeymoon, giving her his necklace of protection, turnt up party, taking the fall for Clint so she wouldn't have to leave Dean and be on the run.

Desna was right .., You love me Roller!! Yep yep ... I love you Dee. I always have.

Desna was right again ... Ride or die! Me and you! Yep yep ... Desna  out here pulling prison breaks and shootin' folks because she wasn't about to let Roller go down. 

Desna gotta get out the game! Maybe with the casino gone she will start over and at some point remember Ruval's other properties, cash them out, franchise Nail Artisans, set Dean up and go have some good food, mango mojitos and Roller.

ETA: So did Desna kill that guard or just wound him?

Jenn and Virgina are the only ones who haven't murdered anyone right? Though I should include Dean because he was defending Desna when he killed Russian what's-her-name.

Edited August 12, 2019 by GodsBeloved

[link417]

Ann was on some bullshit re: Desna got Arlene killed & now Desna wants to bring Ann’s brother into it...ANN brought Ann’s brother into it by telling him about the scheme. Then Ann’s bro made it worse by announcing it at the debate, so brother was already in the shit and has so far suffered no consequences, as far as we’ve seen.

I think she can’t bring herself to come to grips with the fact that she shares in the blame for Arlene’s death, and I don’t think she ever will.

[Chaos Theory]

My major problem with this show is that I increasingly don’t like Desna.   It’s not the same as Uncle Daddy who is just a fool.  Dean Norris plays with  the right amount of pathos that he is still fun to watch.  Niecy Nash isn’t doing the same with Desna plus i have never felt any chemistry between Desna  and Roller. 

I might be the only person who loves Polly.  I find her hilarious. Especially when she goes dark.  I always thought she was the funniest person on the show.  

I actually got really pissed at Desna for asking Anne to bring her brother into whatever crazy she was asking.  It was beyond over the line. I dont blame Anne one bit.  It will be interesting to see what the show has in store for Desna who might feel Anne destroyed her shot at real power and Anne who resents Desna for Arlene’s death.  

Edited August 13, 2019 by Chaos Theory

[Ohwell]

8 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

My major problem with this show is that I increasingly don’t like Desna.

She is my least favorite character now.  She should have realized long ago that she wasn't cut out for being a gangsta.  The nail salon was/is a nice business but she got greedy.  Honestly, I don't understand why the other women don't just leave her ass and go work somewhere else.  

[Chaos Theory]

7 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

She is my least favorite character now.  She should have realized long ago that she wasn't cut out for being a gangsta.  The nail salon was/is a nice business but she got greedy.  Honestly, I don't understand why the other women don't just leave her ass and go work somewhere else.  

Breaking Badesc shows are the rage these days.  And this had the potential to be a fun one.  I liked the idea of a POC as the lead.   Plus a nail salon being a front for something bigger was an interesting idea.  The problem is that Desna has reached the point where she is turning on her friends but I don’t have a clear enough reason why.  There was no reason why she asked Anne to destroy her brother other then ego.  Yes he went on tv but it’s not the first time Desna used other methods to accomplish her goals.  Hell this very same episode she killed a cop to get Roller out of prison but she couldn’t think of anything to help Anne?  

She was offered power and she threw Anne under the bus to get it.  And she will be pissed that Anne destroyed her chance to rule all of Florida.  

Edited August 12, 2019 by Chaos Theory

[SimoneS]

9 hours ago, Chick2Chic said:

Loved all the Desna & Roller content in the ep. ❤

So did I. They were really sweet. It is amazing how far they have come as a couple. Roller definitely knows Desna and that she wouldn't be happy on the run, away from Dean. I hope there is a way for him to return. I don't know why  he confessed. He should have denied it and made them produce the witness in court. Toby isn't exactly the most reliable witness.

[link417]

@Chaos Theory — I love Polly! And I love Carrie Preston, too.

@SimoneS — The only way I can justify the confession is Roller was afraid that Desna would be exposed if he let the state continue to build a case against him. Toby might have let all the shady business slip if pressed further, and I would think it wouldn’t be too hard to link back to Desna if that happened.

Edited August 12, 2019 by link417

[GodsBeloved]

5 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

I don't know why  he confessed. He should have denied it and made them produce the witness in court. Toby isn't exactly the most reliable witness.

I think he confessed because as he said, he wanted it to end. He didn't want Desna on the run and away from Dean or in prison. Toby may not be a reliable witness but they have physical evidence that puts Roller and Desna with Clint and that is what Roller is afraid of. The physical evidence links Desna to Clint but Roller's story gives reasonable doubt for Desna.

One point that confused me though was Desna telling clay that as long as Toby is out there he can testify. What do they need him for if Roller confessed?

Watching the prison break again, I don't think Desna killed the guard, only shot him in the shoulder.

[Chaos Theory]

Toby with his guilty conscience is privy to a lot of nasty stuff and he turned on Roller how long until he turns on Uncle Daddy who has now murdered a priest?  

[Chick2Chic]

1 hour ago, link417 said:

Ann was on some bullshit re: Desna got Arlene killed & now Desna wants to bring Ann’s brother into it...ANN brought Ann’s brother into it by telling him about the scheme. Then Ann’s bro made it worse by announcing it at the debate, so brother was already in the shit and has so far suffered no consequences, as far as we’ve seen.

I think this is fair. While IA with Ann that Desna was never going to stop regarding the casino stuff, Ann is the one who involved her brother who then blabbed publicly about it and setting off those dominoes. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

When Roller gave Desna that necklace I had a feeling he wasn't going to make it past this episode. He's been at loose ends all season.

Lol, Jenn cracking her knuckles like she's ready throw them hands. At a guy with a gun.

"The woman you pays bills with or the woman you kills with." Roller: ¿Por qué no los dos?

Surely that outfit Virginia had on at the shop wasn't real Burberry. Is Burberry marketing trap queen wear now?

I'm surprised the Professor fell for such an obvious trap. He wasn't such a badass after all. Assuming he didn't manage to escape the fire.

Is Claws getting a 4th season or was this it? If it is coming back there must be several big contract renegotations in play.

[Pallida]

I finally figured out why I keep wanting Desna to fail, even though I like her. She's had to hustle all her life and got to a relatively stable place by working hard on that hustle. But she started interacting with people who are strategic, and she didn't grow to develop strategy. Kind of a short game versus long game difference, maybe? 

I think Desna is capable of learning to be strategic, but she hasn't tried. She's too high on "I'm the boss" without looking at how to maintain that. 

[AgentRXS]

"Quiet" Ann needs to STFU and have several seats. She is the reason for Arlene's death, period. She's the one that ran her mouth to her brother who put all the Triad's business on front street. She needs to take accountability for her actions.

WTF was the point of burning down the casino with Benedict in it? He can't be the only member of the Triad and they will be back looking for revenge. She just got them in so much deeper. What an asshole she is.

[Ohwell]

Desna and her crew would be better off not being criminals.  Just run the damn nail salon, buy another one someday if possible, and have a good, legitimate business.   

For some episodes, why not focus on some of the customers, like the two females we saw this episode?  I bet some of them have some interesting, hilarious, sad stories that would be interesting to hear while getting their nails done.  I'd love to see an episode where one of the customers got those dangerous claws and stabbed her cheating husband in the jugular, and blamed the salon.  LOL 

But, alas, I guess they're in too deep shit now to ever consider going straight. 

[link417]

4 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

When Roller gave Desna that necklace I had a feeling he wasn't going to make it past this episode. He's been at loose ends all season.

Lol, Jenn cracking her knuckles like she's ready throw them hands. At a guy with a gun.

"The woman you pays bills with or the woman you kills with." Roller: ¿Por qué no los dos?

Surely that outfit Virginia had on at the shop wasn't real Burberry. Is Burberry marketing trap queen wear now?

I'm surprised the Professor fell for such an obvious trap. He wasn't such a badass after all. Assuming he didn't manage to escape the fire.

Is Claws getting a 4th season or was this it? If it is coming back there must be several big contract renegotations in play.

LMAO, I thought I was the only one who still quoted the El Paso taco shell girl!

I agree, that was a very obvious trap, I just can’t accept that my boo The Professor would go out like that. He’s out for revenge in the 4th season, I’m speaking him and the renewal into existence.

Edited August 12, 2019 by link417

[dubbel zout]

I thought "Happy Birthday" was finally in the public domain. I guess not, if everyone was singing a different tune at Desna's party. 

Don't take off your masks until you're sure you can't be identified, people!

Burning down the casino resets things a bit for a fourth season, should that happen.

[link417]

13 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I thought "Happy Birthday" was finally in the public domain. I guess not, if everyone was singing a different tune at Desna's party. 

Don't take off your masks until you're sure you can't be identified, people!

Burning down the casino resets things a bit for a fourth season, should that happen.

It is in the public domain, but the (for lack of a better term) “black” version fits Desna/the show better, IMO. I’m glad they made that choice, it’s little things like that that make the show seem more authentic.

LOL, I’m with you on the mask thing:  The shot Desna fired wasn’t necessarily fatal, and didn’t she just bonk the other guy in the head with the gun? Not to mention, the Manatee County Theatre Troupe in the middle of the road weren’t wearing masks at all (understandably). Each “solution” these people come up with buys them just enough time to dig their graves a little deeper.

[Ohwell]

24 minutes ago, link417 said:

It is in the public domain, but the (for lack of a better term) “black” version fits Desna/the show better, IMO. I’m glad they made that choice, it’s little things like that that make the show seem more authentic.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty "cool" (can't think of another term--I'm old) of them to sing that version. 

[AnimeMania]

Black people sing the version recorded by Stevie Wonder.

[Ohwell]

Not all of us.  Some of my relatives and friends like the traditional version, mainly because they like their name mentioned in the song and they laugh with the "how old are you?" part.  They never tell the truth about their age, lol.   

Edited August 13, 2019 by Ohwell

[TiffanyNichelle]

I know why she didn't go but I would have left Dean behind and went with Roller if I was Desna. And then she wouldn't have to shoot (kill?) that driver and have that crazy jail break scene.

So beyond over "Quiet" Ann. Desna was wrong to promise Ann's brother to the Triad but Ann was crazy for acting like Desna was the one who pulled her brother in. She was the one who gossiped to him about the governor and he used that information in a debate which of course led to the target on Ann's back that lead to Arlene's death. So...shut up Ann. She's always a part of everything until she gets a chance to throw it all in Desna's face.

[GodsBeloved]

9 hours ago, TiffanyNichelle said:

I know why she didn't go but I would have left Dean behind and went with Roller if I was Desna. And then she wouldn't have to shoot (kill?) that driver and have that crazy jail break scene.

Roller was the one who put the brakes on them leaving pre confession/prison break. She was going to leave without Dean but Roller decided he wouldn't let her do it after seeing her goodbye to Deanie ... I like that he calls Dean that too.

[Chick2Chic]

11 hours ago, Ohwell said:

Not all of us.  Some of my relatives and friends like the traditional version, mainly because they like their name mentioned in the song and they laugh with the "how old are you?" part.  They never tell the truth about their age, lol.   

Yep, my family sang the traditional version but I used to go to a roller rink near me when I was young - hey, World on Wheels! - and they always played the Stevie Wonder version. I was also pleased to see the show use that version.

[Chick2Chic]

Re: the driver of the prison bus, didn't Clay knock him out when he got on the bus? So he wasn't dead and I didn't see any blood on him. I think Desna shot at him to let him know she meant business but didn't strike him with a bullet. 

[GodsBeloved]

6 minutes ago, Chick2Chic said:

Re: the driver of the prison bus, didn't Clay knock him out when he got on the bus? So he wasn't dead and I didn't see any blood on him. I think Desna shot at him to let him know she meant business but didn't strike him with a bullet. 

Yes Clay did hit the driver. I think both guards were knocked out.

[Ohwell]

I don't think The Professor is dead.  I think he busted a window and got out.

[dubbel zout]

13 hours ago, link417 said:

It is in the public domain, but the (for lack of a better term) “black” version fits Desna/the show better, IMO. I’m glad they made that choice, it’s little things like that that make the show seem more authentic.

As an unremittingly white person, I had no idea there was a Stevie Wonder version. Thank you for the cultural/musical education!

1 hour ago, Chick2Chic said:

I think Desna shot at him to let him know she meant business but didn't strike him with a bullet. 

She had a look of horror on her face after she pulled the trigger, though maybe that was because she thought she killed the guard? That whole sequence was fuzzy. Don't wave around a gun if you aren't going to use it, Desna! 

52 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

I don't think The Professor is dead.  I think he busted a window and got out.

I don't think Joe's office had a window, but we'll see next season (if there is a next season).

[Chick2Chic]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

She had a look of horror on her face after she pulled the trigger, though maybe that was because she thought she killed the guard?

I didn't see a look of horror on her face. She looked a bit shocked but determined to me though the mask hid a lot of her face. 

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't think Joe's office had a window, but we'll see next season (if there is a next season).

I don't recall a window either. But you never know with this show. 

[tennisgurl]

This better not be the end of Roller, he and Desna are too good together! Besides, what even is this show without Rollers abs?!?

Lots going on this finale, and first of all holy shit Ann! On the one hand, Desna has really bit off  more than she can chew with her rise into gangsterdom, and was getting further and further into it with the Triad, and her wanting to bring Ann's brother into it was a really big ask and could easily end up seriously messing up or ruining his life. However, on the other hand, nobody made Ann get involved in this, she and Arlene could have left all of this if they wanted to, but they didn't. And lets not forget, what got the Professor to show up in the first place was Ann telling her brother what was going on, and her brother spilling it on television. She should be freaking pissed at him! I think she is putting it all on Desna because she cant admit that she feels guilty about her own culpability in Arlens death. Besides, its not like the Triad will just disappear now, they just killed one guy. 

So much great Roller/Desna stuff this week, this season has really sold me on them as a ride or die couple that will always have each others backs and are really truly in love. As sad as I was to see them separated, I was worried the whole episode that Roller would die after he gave that sweet necklace to Desna, so I was just happy he got out of the episode alive!

Wearing a boss necklace while meeting a high ranking member of the Triad is a serious power move. 

Glad that Ken and Polly seem to be back together, I always thought that they're weird worked well together. Of course, Polly might be the scariest woman on this show, so I dont know if thats a good thing for Ken or not!

As evil as The Professor was, he was also super hot so I would be alright with him somehow surviving. 

[MelloYellow]

Did EJ fall off the face of the Earth?

[Ohwell]

Who is EJ?

[link417]

17 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

Who is EJ?

The father of Jen’s half-black daughter, Brianna.

Edited August 13, 2019 by link417
Fat fingers: “Of,” not “is”

[Ohwell]

14 minutes ago, link417 said:

The father of Jen’s half-black daughter, Brianna.

Oh, ok thanks.  Now I remember him.

[TiffanyNichelle]

4 hours ago, MelloYellow said:

Did EJ fall off the face of the Earth?

Yeah, I thought he was going to be in the bathroom waiting for Virginia because I thought they were still dating. By the way, good for Virginia for not taking Dean back.

[Ilovepie]

On 8/13/2019 at 6:48 AM, dubbel zout said:

She had a look of horror on her face after she pulled the trigger, though maybe that was because she thought she killed the guard?

I thought it was a look of horror too, and I think it's because this a real turning point for Desna. Before, anyone she killed or attempted to kill was evil or trying to kill her. This was a completely innocent person.

I am with everyone else thinking Ann needs to stop blaming Desna about Arlene. She can get off her high horse any time, because this self righteous act is ridiculous and annoying. It's her fault, not Desna's!

I think the MVP's of this season were Jenn, Virginia, Roller and Bryce. Everyone else, and I mean everyone, was annoying. I gotta say, this was my least favorite season. I think they need to reevaluate the trajectory of the show for next season because overall this season was kind of a mess......

[Ohwell]

15 minutes ago, Ilovepie said:

I think the MVP's of this season were Jenn, Virginia, Roller and Bryce. Everyone else, and I mean everyone, was annoying. I gotta say, this was my least favorite season. I think they need to reevaluate the trajectory of the show for next season because overall this season was kind of a mess......

I agree.  The writers need to get their act together for next season.

As bad as being a criminal is, it's even worse to be an inept criminal.  Desna and her crew fit into the latter category.

[AnimeMania]

23 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

As bad as being a criminal is, it's even worse to be an inept criminal.

Maybe that is the joke, they are Florida criminals.

[GodsBeloved]

14 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Maybe that is the joke, they are Florida criminals.

Born, raised and live in Florida!

[AnimeMania]

57 minutes ago, GodsBeloved said:

15 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Maybe that is the joke, they are Florida criminals.

Born, raised and live in Florida!

Exactly how well do you know these criminals in Florida?

[GodsBeloved]

16 minutes ago, AnimeMania said:

Exactly how well do you know these criminals in Florida?

[martha21]

While I expect loose ends on this show, I was hoping to get an idea of Arlene's situation. When Ann went looking for Arlene at the precinct, another woman cop said that Ann was undercover. The cops couldn't have known that Arlene was dead yet and they made up the story to Ann. I wonder if Arlene was still undercover after all, and working to take down Ann and the crew. And the other cops all knew about it and had a cover story ready in case Ann ever went there.

I'm kinda glad there was nothing with EJ because I didn't care for that part of the story. I really enjoy this show and hope it comes back next summer!

Edited August 19, 2019 by martha21

[dubbel zout]

15 minutes ago, martha21 said:

The cops couldn't have known that Arlene was dead yet and they made up the story to Ann.

The cop who told Ann that Arlene was undercover was working for the Professor. Also, Ann does find out that Arlene is dead. That story has been finished.

[martha21]

Just now, dubbel zout said:

The cop who told Ann that Arlene was undercover was working for the Professor. Also, Ann does find out that Arlene is dead. That story has been finished.

Okay, thank you. I didn't realize that cop was working for the Professor and thought Arlene was still trying to take down Ann/crew. I know Ann found out that Arlene died but didn't know whether the cops found out yet. I guess it just got swept under the rug because of the Triad's involvement.

[jhlipton]

On 8/12/2019 at 5:31 AM, GodsBeloved said:

Desna was right .., You love me Roller!! Yep yep ... I love you Dee. I always have.

Even when they were trying to kill each other in the first episode????

On 8/14/2019 at 1:44 PM, Ilovepie said:

I think the MVP's of this season were Jenn, Virginia, Roller and Bryce. 

I think this is interesting in light of comments from the first season of how weak Karrueche Tran was, especially compared to the rest of the cast.  I think she's really grown as an actress.

[AnimeMania]

3 hours ago, jhlipton said:

On 8/14/2019 at 4:44 PM, Ilovepie said:

I think the MVP's of this season were Jenn, Virginia, Roller and Bryce. 

I think this is interesting in light of comments from the first season of how weak Karrueche Tran was, especially compared to the rest of the cast.  I think she's really grown as an actress.

I think it is more that people didn't like her character in the beginning, but she grows on you. She couldn't be more like her character in real life if she tried. I glad they dropped the Gypsy All-Knowing Eye plot.

Edited August 19, 2019 by AnimeMania