Season 21 Live Feed Discussion

[Ellee]

Lol... was actually thinking Reese’s Peanut Butter cups. 😁

[zorak]

[Lady Calypso]

13 hours ago, Melina22 said:

I can tell Tommy isn't popular here, but has he ever directly done anything cruel or gross or mean-spirited so far? I know he's been present when other people have done those things, but has he done them personally? 

I wouldn't blame anyone for finding his manic, OTT personality hard to take, but other than that, I'm not sure why he's so unpopular. 

For me, he's a very boring player. He may be mostly inoffensive, besides being a bystander and sometimes active participant to the bashing of Ovi and Kemi, as well as all of the Nicole stuff that happened during Nick's HOH week, but he's very static in his game play. Unfortunately for us, what works for him doesn't work so well for the audience in terms of entertainment. 

It doesn't need to be about him saying gross or cruel things for people to not like him. It's not on the same level of hatred as Jack, for example, as he was just a toxic person through and through (man, his leaving the house changed the energy in that house for the better), but Tommy is still on a level of dislike (not hatred; there's a difference) because of his very boring game play. I can recognize that it's worked well for him without liking him any more than I already do. 

That being said, I would not hate if he won. I would be annoyed and would place him nowhere near the top of a BB winners list (middle of the pack, at best; probably a forgettable winner if he continues to not do anything memorable), but he's not at the bottom of the list of people I don't want to see win this season (Sis, Jess, and Jackson are at the bottom of that list). And I can also recognize that Jess and Jackson have both done enough in the house that would make them ok winners....just unlikeable winners. Even if I have grown to like Jackson, the things he did when Jack was still in the house is far too awful for me to fully forgive him, or even forget that he said those things. 

But yeah, if Sis won, I'd probably have to quit watching BB for a couple of years. Well, at the very least, I'd really want to quit watching BB for a year because a Sis win would put her at nearly the very bottom of a BB winners list, at least at this point in time. She still has done bupkis to warrant any sort of win and, quite frankly, even pulling out a couple of competition wins down the line wouldn't raise her in my eyes. She'd need to start making some moves....pretty much right now in order for me to consider her a winner I could tolerate. 

Nicole is someone who does need to make a few more moves of her own for me to consider her a formidable winner. She's lower middle of the pack right now for me. Same with Cliff, whose first eviction already lowered him considerably. 

Nick....actually, I change my mind. Nick is very much at the bottom, just above Sis, for this season's winners list. I forgot about him for a reason. He's just a shitty person and his gameplay has been extremely messy. It's a wonder he's still in the house, honestly, when everyone has him clocked. But it's more because there are bigger targets, at the moment. He's made some ok game moves (working closesly with Tommy/Sis) but I don't see a path to him winning. Therefore, combined with his shitty personality, he's barely above Sis for me. 

[Brian Cronin]

Interesting topic, @Lady Calypso. Here's how I would have the remaining houseguests ranked if they won it...

Christie: It'd be so amazing that I'd have to put her at the back of Tier 2

Tommy: Tier 3, probably ahead of Andy

Jackson: Tier 3, he has an extreeeeeeeeemely difficult road ahead of him for a win. If he pulls it off, I have to respect it. 

Jessica: Tier 3 below Andy. She'll have to pull off some crazy shit to win.

Cliff: Tier 3, same reason as Jessica. An evicted HG winning would be quite a feat.

Holly: High Tier 4

Nicole: Low Tier 4

Nick: Low Tier 4

Analyse: Really Low Tier 4

[Lady Calypso]

8 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

Interesting topic, @Lady Calypso. Here's how I would have the remaining houseguests ranked if they won it...

Christie: It'd be so amazing that I'd have to put her at the back of Tier 2

Tommy: Tier 3, probably ahead of Andy

Jackson: Tier 3, he has an extreeeeeeeeemely difficult road ahead of him for a win. If he pulls it off, I have to respect it. 

Jessica: Tier 3 below Andy. She'll have to pull off some crazy shit to win.

Cliff: Tier 3, same reason as Jessica. An evicted HG winning would be quite a feat.

Holly: High Tier 4

Nicole: Low Tier 4

Nick: Low Tier 4

Analyse: Really Low Tier 4

This is an interesting list.

I'd probably place Nicole more in the middle Tier 4, rather than Low Tier 4. She has made some moves, even if they haven't exactly worked out to her benefit, and she's likeable, so that does raise her above Nick for me.

I'm struggling to agree with your assessment on Cliff. I do think he's probably a High Tier 4, but your point about him being an evicted houseguest who wins IS an impressive feat.

I need to set aside my bias toward Jessica to look at her as a Tier 3. I'd have to put her at a Low Tier 3, personally. She's no strategic mastermind and her inability to see good game moves is atrocious. She trusts Christie and hates Nicole....why? She's made some game moves, yes, and she's won some competitions that have helped, but she's really not THAT good of a player when she keeps making bad game decisions. She's still here, yes, but if you reflect on her actual game play, she's very low for me. 

I just can't get over her wanting to target Nicole before most people. I think Jess benefited from Kat mostly keeping her on track, honestly. Kat would have been a Tier 3, right below Andy, if she had stayed in the house (and I think Kat made some bad moves as well). I might even lower Jess to a high Tier 4 if she continues her trajectory and doesn't win another comp until F4. 

But I do agree that Christie (on some miracle that she does manage to flip the vote), Tommy, and Jackson are definitely higher winners. Objectively, Jackson would be a Tier 3. But subjectively, he's way lower. I guess we have had top tier winners who weren't great people so I guess I would have to recognize that in my rankings.

[Otherkate]

3 hours ago, Tdoc72 said:

C’mon over. It has been Friends central over here this summer. My 12 yo discovered the show and has been Netflixing it daily for hours, usually in the background while she plays on the computer or iPad. She got 3 different graphic tees w/Friends on it during back to school shopping and even found a few VHS tapes at thrift stores (she has an old tv/vcr combo in her room—no cable).   

Be warned if you come—no singing the theme song!  After being woken up 3 days in a row by her singing along at the top of her lungs, it has been forbidden. 

Hah, both of my kids made me buy them Friends shirts this summer too!

Honestly, I would be fine if Tommy won. I don't like him, he's annoying, but I don't really like any of them. At least Tommy is bothering to play the game. I'm in the weirdest place right now where one of the good guys (I guess?) - Cliff - annoys me more than anyone else. Tommy may be an attention hog and performer, but Cliff is right there with him. 

[CringeWatcher]

1 minute ago, Otherkate said:

Tommy may be an attention hog and performer, but Cliff is right there with him. 

On this I totally agree. 

And nick is just 50 shades of gross. 

[Brian Cronin]

1 minute ago, Otherkate said:

Hah, both of my kids made me buy them Friends shirts this summer too!

Honestly, I would be fine if Tommy won. I don't like him, he's annoying, but I don't really like any of them. At least Tommy is bothering to play the game. I'm in the weirdest place right now where one of the good guys (I guess?) - Cliff - annoys me more than anyone else. Tommy may be an attention hog and performer, but Cliff is right there with him. 

They really have a VERY similar approach to performing for the cameras. 

9 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I'd probably place Nicole more in the middle Tier 4, rather than Low Tier 4. She has made some moves, even if they haven't exactly worked out to her benefit, and she's likeable, so that does raise her above Nick for me.

Once you're in Tier 4, I think it gets super hard to even really order them that much. Like, how do you compare Lisa to, say, Nicole? Or Rachel to Ian? Or Josh to Steve? So sure, I have no real beef with Nicole being middle-high in Tier 4 versus middle-low. 

[Lady Calypso]

6 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

 Once you're in Tier 4, I think it gets super hard to even really order them that much. Like, how do you compare Lisa to, say, Nicole? Or Rachel to Ian? Or Josh to Steve? So sure, I have no real beef with Nicole being middle-high in Tier 4 versus middle-low. 

That's true. I guess there are different categories to Tier 4. For example, the winners who had extreme amount of help from production and twists are probably lower for reasons (Rachel, Jordan) vs winners who got really lucky with who they were facing at the end (I would consider Ian in this category, as well as Josh). It definitely is hard, which is why, for Tier 4, I consider likeability as well as game play.

[Brian Cronin]

1 minute ago, Lady Calypso said:

That's true. I guess there are different categories to Tier 4. For example, the winners who had extreme amount of help from production and twists are probably lower for reasons (Rachel, Jordan) vs winners who got really lucky with who they were facing at the end (I would consider Ian in this category, as well as Josh). It definitely is hard, which is why, for Tier 4, I consider likeability as well as game play.

It's fascinating how many of them really were just "I guess we'll vote for Person X because we hate/would never vote for Person Y" - that's Lisa, Ian, Nicole and Josh (hilariously, two of those four were the same shitty person that no one would vote for) and perhaps Jordan. 

[peachmangosteen]

8 hours ago, BK1978 said:

Forgot to ask in my previous post, have Jess and Nicole mended fences or are they still not getting along?

Well, Nicole helped Jessica wax her face yesterday so I guess they're friendly-ish again.

[Nashville]

Just now, peachmangosteen said:

Well, Nicole helped Jessica wax her face yesterday so I guess they're friendly-ish again.

Now THERE’S a gift which just keeps on giving.

[Lady Calypso]

9 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Well, Nicole helped Jessica wax her face yesterday so I guess they're friendly-ish again.

Jess also said this to Christie last night:

So I think it's safe to say that Jess is faking being nice to Nicole because she hates her for...telling her the truth when nobody else would?

Fuck Jessica.

[peachmangosteen]

I've become so disinterested in Nicole that I can't bring myself to care tbh. She's just so, I don't know, simpering or something. I find her completely embarrassing to watch. But I feel that way about Jessica, Cliff, Holly, and Nick, too.

I can barely stand to watch any of them anymore. I guess I actually enjoy watching Christie and Analyse more lately because I like watching them be upset lol. 

[CringeWatcher]

42 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Well, Nicole helped Jessica wax her face yesterday so I guess they're friendly-ish again.

Ack! 🤮 why do you hate us, @peachmangosteen?

[vb68]

37 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Jess also said this to Christie last night:

So I think it's safe to say that Jess is faking being nice to Nicole because she hates her for...telling her the truth when nobody else would?

Fuck Jessica.

From Nicole's end, I saw her tell Christie yesterday that she and Jess can tolerate and be nice to each other, but it's probably never going to be what it was before that confrontation.

1 hour ago, CringeWatcher said:

And nick is just 50 shades of gross. 

I saw on some recap that someone said Nick always looks like he smells, and I can't disagree.

Edited August 18, 2019 by vb68

[Ellee]

Question.  Has anybody’s behavior changed since the field trip ‘winners’ were announced?

[vb68]

8 minutes ago, Ellee said:

Question.  Has anybody’s behavior changed since the field trip ‘winners’ were announced?

Jackson's, for sure.  He's become very self aware that he is disliked and is trying to rehabilitate his standing and image. I've seen him hush Holly when she was trash talking, for example. It's possible he's being semi-successful. He's never going to be AFP, or at least I would be shocked if that happened. But I think there's been a slight improvement in how he acts.   

Edited August 18, 2019 by vb68

[Wouldofshouldof]

13 hours ago, The Companion said:

It's so funny, because I remember Frankie being obnoxious and camera obsessed, but he has grown on me a bit now that he plays basically himself in Henry Danger (which my son loves).

UGHCKKK! I googled Henry Danger, and just seeing his face made me shudder.  I can't.

[Melina22]

3 hours ago, CringeWatcher said:

Throw in a mr. goodbar for good measure! 

Ummm, watermelon? 

I'm surprised about the chill in Jess and Nicole's relationship. Nicole put herself on the line to tell Jess how she wasn't in the new 6. 

Is it just bad chemistry between them? What's Jess's problem with Nicole? 

Edited August 18, 2019 by Melina22

[leocadia]

13 minutes ago, Melina22 said:

Is it just bad chemistry between them? What's Jess's problem with Nicole? 

Total speculation, but maybe Jess is mad that Nicole voted out Kat?  From what I've read, the problems started in the pre-ep "storage room" conversation between Kat and Nicole.

[RockYou]

12 minutes ago, leocadia said:

Total speculation, but maybe Jess is mad that Nicole voted out Kat?  From what I've read, the problems started in the pre-ep "storage room" conversation between Kat and Nicole.

Honestly if Nicole is really aimimg for the title and the $500k , why didn’t she use last week to really rally a few more allies, take out her biggest threat , Cliff  if it comes down to final of her and him and someone else? 

And make a stand for herself for once!!!

Edited August 18, 2019 by RockYou

[Tdoc72]

59 minutes ago, vb68 said:

Jackson's, for sure.  He's become very self aware that he is disliked and is trying to rehabilitate his standing and image. I've seen him hush Holly when she was trash talking, for example. It's possible he's being semi-successful. He's never going to be AFP, or at least I would be shocked if that happened. But I think there's been a slight improvement in how he acts.   

The question is is it a real self change or just because the camera is watching?  I suspect the latter and it just adds to my dislike for him. 

[Ellee]

Both Christie and Tommy acknowledged that America’s vote was not a good thing.  Any changes there do you think?

[Lady Calypso]

4 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

The question is is it a real self change or just because the camera is watching?  I suspect the latter and it just adds to my dislike for him. 

It's hard to say for sure. I do think Jackson was made aware earlier on, when I think Alison Grodner herself came to talk to Jack and Jackson. It was after that when Jackson started to alter his actions, but he really has shown a lot of improvement, especially since his blow-up with Jack. 

5 minutes ago, Figster said:

Because Nicole is the shittiest player in the house.  Well, tied with Analyse I'd say.  Nicole isn't even playing; she's like a scared little mouse who somehow just wandered onto the BB set and no one from production cared enough to remove her.

I would disagree. 

Nicole may not be a great player, or necessarily a good one, but she has tried. Her problem is telling the wrong people the wrong information. Every time she does try to play, whatever she says gets back to everybody. She has absolutely nobody she can trust. So I think that's why she's gone under the radar more recently.

Sis just hasn't been playing at all. 

I do remember Nicole being a primary reason why Kemi wasn't backdoored week 1 (Sam was the reason for Ovi going up). So Nicole HAS been playing, at least partially, which is why she'll always be above Sis. 

[Lady Calypso]

Just now, Figster said:

I disagree. Nicole isn't playing. She just has conversations with people that completely lack any sensical strategy, so they tend to backfire on her.  Her lack of any intelligent strategy is a good reason why she fails to engender any lack of trust/camaraderie/alliances.  Who would want to work with someone who has no clue what they are doing?  I sure wouldn't.

 Just having pointless non-strategic conversations does not constitute playing in my book. She's just residing in the house as a totally irrelevant house guest. 

I just think she's definitely not on par with Sis, who can't even do game talk. If she does, she just parrots what Christie and Tommy have told her to say, which isn't really thinking for herself.

Nicole's game talk has been minimal. She's had some weird game talk with Nick, but only because he aggressively game talks with her. Nicole's tried to protect not just Nick with Jess when she was HOH (and she was successful, as Nick was very close in being the replacement nominee if not for Nicole) but also with Cliff, though that has been less than successful. 

[vb68]

45 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

The question is is it a real self change or just because the camera is watching?  I suspect the latter and it just adds to my dislike for him. 

I wouldn't disagree. I was  just talking about Jackson in a game playing sense. Real, honest self change doesn't happen overnight, IMO. 

[zorak]

This showed up in my email today and I’ll give you one guess as to who I thought of.  It’s too bad he’s not a girl with a makeup obsession.  This would be right up his alley.

[sphoebus31]

Just now, zorak said:

This showed up in my email today and I’ll give you one guess as to who I thought of.  It’s too bad he’s not a girl with a makeup obsession.  This would be right up his alley.

If Holly wins another HOH, this needs to be in her HOH basket!

[Lady Calypso]

1 minute ago, Figster said:

I do put Nicole on par with Sys. It is true Sys can't talk game; her only strategy was to hook up with the early "alpha" (Jack).  It shouldn't win her the game, but has kept her in the house and gave her a strong alliance.  It may not be a respectable strategy, but it's worked out for her so far.  Nicole just tries to hide in the shadows and go unnoticed.  It's been working, but also not really a commendable strategy (imo).

Except Nicole has at least attempted to make a couple of game moves. Honestly, I'm not calling her a great game player, but I can't say that she's the same as Sis, at all because she's managed to make at least two game moves:

1. Week 1 - She convinced Christie to not backdoor Kemi. This was a really good move on her part. Christie wasn't sure whether to put Kemi up or not and it was Nicole who convinced her that it wasn't. After that conversation, Christie changed her mind on putting Kemi up, even with the pressure from her own alliance. That led to Kemi sticking around another week. 
2. Jess' HOH - She convinced Jess that putting Nick up was a bad game move. Jess was pissed off at Nick hanging out with the other side (some of it warranted, some of it not). Jess was insistent on putting Nick up because she was so angry. Nicole had to explain to Jess why backdooring Nick was a bad move on their end. They needed to focus on getting Jack out and Jess very nearly lost sight of that. 

Also, to a lesser point, Nicole telling Nick and Bella about their alliance wanting them out. Unfortunately for this move, it was a really bad one and ended up getting her almost evicted from the house. But it was still a game move, since Nicole's reason was to avoid getting put up on the block that week (it did not work once Nick/Bella tried confronting their own alliance right away).

I'm not arguing for Nicole being a good game player, because I do think she's one of the worst ones this season. She hasn't learned to keep her mouth shut and not spill things to people that she obviously can't trust. I do think that she does need to put more effort in creating bonds with houseguests because, as of right now, she won't be chosen over others in specific scenarios. She's nobody's number 1, not even Nick's, who he CLAIMS is really his number 1, really (but clearly not really if Sis and Tommy are still in the game). 

I'm arguing for her being A game player which, to me, is much more respectful than Sis not playing the game at all. 

Sis got lucky with attaching herself to the Six Shooters. She got lucky with people in that house finding her hot enough to align with (I say this because multiple men in that house have commented that they find Analyse hot, including Jackson). But she did nothing to get there. She's never talked to anyone outside of the Six Shooters, she's never won a competition (she got close once with the competition that Holly won and that's about it), and she only just started playing the game when Jack was evicted (and she's really bad at it). There's no strategy to her game, as it turns out. She's not even really trying. Whining six times to the camera yesterday about wanting America to hand her a power is pathetic. 

Girl, did you NOT GET THE HINT when you were voted on the Field Trip that America hates you and will never give you a power? Girl, bye. 

And yes, I know that my hatred for Sis is causing my bias here. I can readily admit that. I can also admit that Nicole's a poor game player, but she's tried. Sis trying almost two months in makes her the worst. And I thought similar things about Kaycee before she turned it up in the second half of the game (but she even did a little bit of socializing with the other side earlier on, like with Bayleigh). 

Has anyone seen Sis talk to anyone one-on-one outside of the Six Shooters before this week? 

[vb68]

 I just wanted to add on about Nicole that it may be complete BS, and knowing Christie it probably is, but Christie straight up told Nicole yesterday that Nicole has her vote if she's in the Final 2. Nicole was very kind to Christie after the veto comp and Christie's meltdown over Tommy playing Baywatch.  It may not be much, but Nicole has a bit of an under the radar social game that people might be underestimating.

I wonder if Tommy fully knows how much he messed up yesterday. He still has time to repair it, but I don't think Christie's jury vote now is a guaranteed lock for him as it would had been previously.

[Lady Calypso]

In other news, Cliff is up and talking to the cameras. But don't worry guys! He's learned his lesson! He's doing his Cliff Notes outside this time, so there's less of a chance of someone overhearing him.

[Mystery]

1 hour ago, Figster said:

I do put Nicole on par with Sys. It is true Sys can't talk game; her only strategy was to hook up with the early "alpha" (Jack).  It shouldn't win her the game, but has kept her in the house and gave her a strong alliance.  It may not be a respectable strategy, but it's worked out for her so far.  Nicole just tries to hide in the shadows and go unnoticed.  It's been working, but also not really a commendable strategy (imo).

If I'm ranking people, I'd put ineffectual attempts at gameplaying over hooking up with a strong player. But as you say, it's everyone's individual opinion over what kind of game they want to watch. 

[missyb]

39 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Except Nicole has at least attempted to make a couple of game moves. Honestly, I'm not calling her a great game player, but I can't say that she's the same as Sis, at all because she's managed to make at least two game moves:

1. Week 1 - She convinced Christie to not backdoor Kemi. This was a really good move on her part. Christie wasn't sure whether to put Kemi up or not and it was Nicole who convinced her that it wasn't. After that conversation, Christie changed her mind on putting Kemi up, even with the pressure from her own alliance. That led to Kemi sticking around another week. 
2. Jess' HOH - She convinced Jess that putting Nick up was a bad game move. Jess was pissed off at Nick hanging out with the other side (some of it warranted, some of it not). Jess was insistent on putting Nick up because she was so angry. Nicole had to explain to Jess why backdooring Nick was a bad move on their end. They needed to focus on getting Jack out and Jess very nearly lost sight of that. 

Also, to a lesser point, Nicole telling Nick and Bella about their alliance wanting them out. Unfortunately for this move, it was a really bad one and ended up getting her almost evicted from the house. But it was still a game move, since Nicole's reason was to avoid getting put up on the block that week (it did not work once Nick/Bella tried confronting their own alliance right away).

I'm not arguing for Nicole being a good game player, because I do think she's one of the worst ones this season. She hasn't learned to keep her mouth shut and not spill things to people that she obviously can't trust. I do think that she does need to put more effort in creating bonds with houseguests because, as of right now, she won't be chosen over others in specific scenarios. She's nobody's number 1, not even Nick's, who he CLAIMS is really his number 1, really (but clearly not really if Sis and Tommy are still in the game). 

I'm arguing for her being A game player which, to me, is much more respectful than Sis not playing the game at all. 

Sis got lucky with attaching herself to the Six Shooters. She got lucky with people in that house finding her hot enough to align with (I say this because multiple men in that house have commented that they find Analyse hot, including Jackson). But she did nothing to get there. She's never talked to anyone outside of the Six Shooters, she's never won a competition (she got close once with the competition that Holly won and that's about it), and she only just started playing the game when Jack was evicted (and she's really bad at it). There's no strategy to her game, as it turns out. She's not even really trying. Whining six times to the camera yesterday about wanting America to hand her a power is pathetic. 

Girl, did you NOT GET THE HINT when you were voted on the Field Trip that America hates you and will never give you a power? Girl, bye. 

And yes, I know that my hatred for Sis is causing my bias here. I can readily admit that. I can also admit that Nicole's a poor game player, but she's tried. Sis trying almost two months in makes her the worst. And I thought similar things about Kaycee before she turned it up in the second half of the game (but she even did a little bit of socializing with the other side earlier on, like with Bayleigh). 

Has anyone seen Sis talk to anyone one-on-one outside of the Six Shooters before this week? 

Agree!! My thoughts on Nicole, I dont care if she is or is not a good "player". She is a tremendous cast member. Haven't seen one like her in years or ever. If you want to talk about authentic, that is Nicole. And that elevates her above others, in my eyes.

[Brian Cronin]

Yeah, I think Nicole has definitely made game moves. She's really bad at the game, but she tried. Analyse is just the standard "hook up with a strong player" deal. That CAN win you the game, though.

[vb68]

I think everybody was caught a little off guard by how salty Analyse is that she was nominated. I heard several people mention it.

[Melina22]

12 minutes ago, missyb said:

Agree!! My thoughts on Nicole, I dont care if she is or is not a good "player". She is a tremendous cast member. Haven't seen one like her in years or ever. If you want to talk about authentic, that is Nicole. And that elevates her above others, in my eyes.

I was amazed when Taran said this week that his two favourites are Nicole, then Cliff. Considering how much he values strategy, that was unexpected. It just shows how personal our lists are, and how much our past experiences and personal preferences help create them. 

Right now, my favourites are Nicole, Cliff and Jess, but I couldn't really defend it from a strategy point of view. I just like how they've behaved overall, towards the other players. I guess treating others with respect is my #1 criterion for who I like in this game. 

[missyb]

I have liked Tommy on and off. I think he is playing a great game and despite his obsession with "the 6.5.4" he has made adjustments as the game has progressed. I am liking watching him have to readjust again as he knows he is losing Christie.

When he is not "on", I do like him. 

[1775rik]

I think Nicole is a good person to have in the house.  She cares about people and wants to have good relations with everyone.  I think being in the house is hard for her.  She has to make decisions which put a lot of stress on her.  In some ways, I don't think she's really equipped to play this game and make the decisions she has to.  But she keeps going forward and finding ways to manage her stress.

I don't think she's the best game player.  But she tries and realizes she's playing a game.  I give her points for effort and for just being a good person.  I'm not sure that will get her too much further and I'm not sure playing the game will be good for her in the long run.  But I think she showed courage, if perhaps not wisdom, in trying to be selected and has generally conducted herself well.

[missyb]

15 minutes ago, 1775rik said:

I think Nicole is a good person to have in the house.  She cares about people and wants to have good relations with everyone.  I think being in the house is hard for her.  She has to make decisions which put a lot of stress on her.  In some ways, I don't think she's really equipped to play this game and make the decisions she has to.  But she keeps going forward and finding ways to manage her stress.

I don't think she's the best game player.  But she tries and realizes she's playing a game.  I give her points for effort and for just being a good person.  I'm not sure that will get her too much further and I'm not sure playing the game will be good for her in the long run.  But I think she showed courage, if perhaps not wisdom, in trying to be selected and has generally conducted herself well.

A million times , yes. 

[LGGirl]

1 hour ago, vb68 said:

I wouldn't disagree. I was  just talking about Jackson in a game playing sense. Real, honest self change doesn't happen overnight, IMO. 

I believed Jackson’s shitty behavior was due to hanging around Jack.   Jackson is kinda of a follower.  Once Jack left or Jackson extricated himself from Jack, figured Jackson would be more palatable.  

I will give him credit where he did have some self awareness regarding the Field Trip.  Been watching BB since the beginning.  Very few hamsters have that much awareness, especially alpha, 24 year old, males.  

As far as Christie goes, maybe the purpose of her being on BB was the universe wanted her to learn a life lesson instead of winning $500k.  You think she woukd ever come to that conclusion?  😁

[Mystery]

36 minutes ago, missyb said:

When he is not "on", I do like him. 

So, like, two minutes a day? 🙂 

[missyb]

Like right now. Seeing his mind working hard to figure out what to do next. 

I dont like that he supports Sis or Nick but I like the way he can change up his game and reorg.

Nick continues to disturb.

[ByaNose]

Christie was too nutty to win the game. She had a good run & was in a good alliance but she was way too neurotic & emotional. She also had a (unknown) pre built in alliance with Tommy. He was her calming force for most of the game but even he couldn’t save her from constant crying & meltdowns.

i do agree that Jackson became less of a Mean Girl when Jack left. He was really following the leader and wanted to hang with his bro. Once he was gone and just hung with Holly he was a little more tolerable. In fact, with Jack getting evicted first and raked over the coals by Julie he won’t even get the majority of the hate had he left earlier too. It won’t be forgotten but I think production put all their eggs (hate) in Jack and the others will get off with minimal hate and/or anger. 

Edited August 18, 2019 by ByaNose

[CringeWatcher]

Did anyone catch what GOD said to Christie?

[ByaNose]

5 minutes ago, CringeWatcher said:

Did anyone catch what GOD said to Christie?

What did she say?

[phlebas]

Interesting talk about Nicole.

I think I'd like to be friends with Nicole in the real world, but my frustrations with her game are similar to the ones I had with KC last time.

Neither of them were great strategists. KC of course was a dominant physical threat, but that's not strategy. Nicole has tried to make game moves but trusted the wrong people.

They're not mirrors of each other, nor are their situations. But I hear myself muttering the same kind of things at my TV.

[missyb]

This kind of gameplay is much more Sis's speed (practical jokes, pranks).

Edited August 18, 2019 by missyb

[CringeWatcher]

1 minute ago, ByaNose said:

What did she say?

I don’t know. I just turned on the feeds to Analice being sooo impressed that God said whatever it was to Christie. 

🙄

[tinkerbell]

3 hours ago, Figster said:

Because Nicole is the shittiest player in the house.  Well, tied with Analyse I'd say.  Nicole isn't even playing; she's like a scared little mouse who somehow just wandered onto the BB set and no one from production cared enough to remove her.

I dont see her that way. I think nicole was genuinely rattled when bella attacked her, and that affected her. Shes not great at BB, but shes also not the worst.  She's my favorite, but that's based more on how many assholes are in the house, than on anything nicole has done. She seems to be a genuinely nice person who is too trusting of others.