The Brown Kids

[ginger90]

[LilyD]

On 4/15/2022 at 7:36 PM, laurakaye said:

Add Gabe to the posse of "lost Brownies:" - along with Mykelti, Paedon, Savanah, and Truely.  Those are the kids Kody didn't have time for.

And Ysabel…. When it comes to cruel ‘fatherly’ neglect, both she and Truely top the list…..

[ginger90]

Garrison posted the first one. Janelle posted the second one.

[xwordfanatik]

Robert Garrison hopefully will not become anything like his sperm donor.  

[deirdra]

Luckily he has no kids with kidney failure interrupting his grilling.

[LilyD]

14 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

Robert Garrison hopefully will not become anything like his sperm donor.  

Nah… remember the disastrous bbq (when he ‘watched’ all the kids) where Kody stated that you could not go wrong with grilling a steak and promptly showed us he could? Kody is a dreadful cook.

[ginger90]

[Liddy52]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

That is actually one of the better pictures I have seen Gwendlyn post of herself recently. 

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[ginger90]

Gwen, 3 pictures:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ccl7GJ1P6hi/

[ginger90]

Paedon, 5 pictures:

They are friends, not a couple. 

Someone asked if he would do plural marriage, he said definitely not.

Another asked where he was going, he simply answered, “north”.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CclRy2cOdf7/

[Elizzikra]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Gwen, 3 pictures:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ccl7GJ1P6hi/

My daughter has the same t-shirt as Truely. From Spencer's!

[deirdra]

9 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Paedon, 5 pictures:

They are friends, not a couple. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CclRy2cOdf7/

Her eyelashes rival Meri's

[ginger90]

I like this one:

[LilyD]

In the other threads there was some speculation about a rift between Paedon and Gwen. Some suggested that Paedon eschewed the gay community. I have wondered about this and the Brown's general attitude towards the gay community.

While I was really pleased that the Brown-adults accepting Mariah just like that, it did surprise me a lot as their background in a fundamentalist mormon church doesn't leave much space for any other views than the traditional male-female marriage and more specifically the male-femaleS marriage. Is it real or just faked for the show? WIth Kody I kind of expect the last but Janelle and Christine seemed very genuine. Meri too, eventually after she recovered from the first shock. The Brown children seem quite liberal and definitely do not share many of the fundamentalist mormon beliefs with their parents.   Homosexuality does not seem an issue to any of them.

So I doubt Paedon (and Hunter for that matter, as he can't stand Mariah) has anything against gay people in general. I think it's more about the not very subtle and pushy way Mariah and Gwen represent themselves that puts him off. (though Mariah seems to have quieted down a lot recently) That, and the fact that both can be incredibly rude and vicious if they feel someone doesn't share their views.

[Roslyn]

14 hours ago, LilyD said:

In the other threads there was some speculation about a rift between Paedon and Gwen. Some suggested that Paedon eschewed the gay community. I have wondered about this and the Brown's general attitude towards the gay community.

Paedon has flat out said that Gwen won't have anything to do with him because she is scared of him since he "slapped" her when he was 16 and she was about 13. He tends to skew things to downplay anything bad (about himself) in these interviews he is doing, so it is very possible that his "slap" was something more to a punch. He was close to his full height at that age and he is 6 foot 6 inches (1.98 meters) and has always been (for lack of a better, kinder term) thicker and Gwen has been more slender, so not a fair fighting match.

Christine stated on camera that Gwen and Paedon are not allowed to be left alone together.

Also he has openly stated on social media over the last years his attitude about the gay community as a whole and after Gwen added "bi" to her social media he stated that there is "no such thing as bi".

[Mahamid Frauded Me]

I think Paedon has a lot of anger, even from some of the snippets we have seen on the show, didn't he get into it with a brother from another mother? Kody clearly had favorites and he was not one of them. I can understand the anger of Kody dismissing those kids for Robyns, but he needs to find peace (therapy) and not spew crap like @Roslyn posted above

[Gramto6]

I feel sorry for all those children. The lives they had to accept/endure even robochin's kids are getting their dose of the douche's mental poison (along with the chin's poison too). It is a miracle or testament to Janelle and  Christine that so many grew into amazing adults.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Gramto6

[LilyD]

13 hours ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

I think Paedon has a lot of anger, even from some of the snippets we have seen on the show, didn't he get into it with a brother from another mother? Kody clearly had favorites and he was not one of them. I can understand the anger of Kody dismissing those kids for Robyns, but he needs to find peace (therapy) and not spew crap like @Roslyn posted above

I do wonder how one’s ever going to recover from growing up in such a mad house being surrounded by television crews?

But without the tv crews, they’d still be in Utah firmly stuck in the clutches of the AUB. Not sure which situation is more damaging?

[Pickleinthemiddle]

15 hours ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

I think Paedon has a lot of anger, even from some of the snippets we have seen on the show, didn't he get into it with a brother from another mother? Kody clearly had favorites and he was not one of them. I can understand the anger of Kody dismissing those kids for Robyns, but he needs to find peace (therapy) and not spew crap like @Roslyn posted above

I thought that was when her and Janelle were studying for their Real Estate exam at Janelle's house?  If so I think that was Gabe and Garrison fighting again.  She just told Kody he should send Paedon home.

[ginger90]

There was also an incident in a parking lot, between Garrison and Gabe.

Video:

 

 

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.Then there’s Gabe and the move, no violence:

 

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I’m on a roll, forgive me. Aspyn, regarding the move:

 

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Gabe again.

 

video:

 

[Elizzikra]

18 hours ago, Roslyn said:

 

Also he has openly stated on social media over the last years his attitude about the gay community as a whole and after Gwen added "bi" to her social media he stated that there is "no such thing as bi".

Sounds like he goes a lot further than “eschewing the gay community.” That’s homophonic, plain and simple, and I wouldn’t want to be around him either.

[ginger90]

Paedon and Mariah (I remember reading this exchange) :

[LilyD]

I had forgotten about the multiple issues between Gabe and Garrison. They definitely had their brotherly rivalry as (pre) teens. It's great to see how they have managed to reconnect as young adults.

I do wonder where Paedon fits in when it comes to the boys. From earlier seasons it seemed that there was a warm and accepting relationship between Janelle's boys and him. But that doesn't change the fact that he was not a full sibling but a half-sibling who didn't live with them but with another mom in another house. That's just another thing that probably added to his issues later in life. This, being ignored by his dad, being dragged across states and having to suffer all those moves in life. Not to mention the religious brainwashing he'd had to endure in at least his younger years when they were still in Utah. Not defending his actions here, but I can see how this adds up and turns someone into a complicated young man.

[Adiba]

8 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Sounds like he goes a lot further than “eschewing the gay community.” That’s homophonic, plain and simple, and I wouldn’t want to be around him either.

Unfortunately, there are some members of the gay community that also do not feel being bi is real. Also, some members of the gay community do not want to date bi people. So Gwen may be extra sensitive regarding her sexuality. Hopefully, Paedon can educate himself and come to an understanding and acceptance of his sister’s sexuality.

[ginger90]

Paedon video:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CctXHGOJutL/

[xwordfanatik]

TLDW...more of the same twaddle, I'd guess.  

I have read that the woman "is not my girlfriend," according to Paedon.

[ginger90]

17 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

TLDW...more of the same twaddle, I'd guess.  

I have read that the woman "is not my girlfriend," according to Paedon.

Agree, it’s long. I watched it while accomplishing and procrastinating. 🤣 There were  some interesting parts, to me.

Edited April 27, 2022 by ginger90

[Kellyee]

Aspyn's take on Flagstaff was spot-on, and she was so much more mature than Christine in that scene. I really believe Flagstaff was just a plot idea for the show. That's why all the adults' reasons for the move were so bizarre and ridiculous. The real reason was a plot idea for the show.

[LilyD]

36 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

Aspyn's take on Flagstaff was spot-on, and she was so much more mature than Christine in that scene. I really believe Flagstaff was just a plot idea for the show. That's why all the adults' reasons for the move were so bizarre and ridiculous. The real reason was a plot idea for the show.

If true, that's so sad! What parents would willingly mess up their children's lives and drag them away from a secure and happy life just for the sake of a tv show??

Yes, I know, the answer is probably "money".... Ironically, the kids are the ones who have to pay the price for that.

[Cetacean]

37 minutes ago, LilyD said:

What parents would willingly mess up their children's lives and drag them away from a secure and happy life just for the sake of a tv show??

Um, let's see who would screw up their children by signing their lives away.   The Browns, Dargers, Gosselins, Derricos, Roloffs...... 

[Art Of Noiz]

On 4/21/2022 at 6:13 AM, ginger90 said:

Gwen, 3 pictures:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ccl7GJ1P6hi/

Gwen is so naturally pretty, has such a nice figure. I love that her brows look natural. I love to see her clowning around with Mamozelle Truely!

[LilyD]

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They're really trying their hardest to make Paedon happen.

Sorry Paedon, you're not going to be an influencer or SM famous, people are only interested in you if you have shit to say about the family. So long as it's not shit about their favourites lol.

From Christine's thread by @CherryBelly (I still haven't figured out how to quote from one thread to another, sorry)

I have wondered about Paedon's sudden interest in SM. He just doesn't seem to be the type to be a social media influencer.

I have a gut feeling he is trying to set the records straight about some of the things in SW and wants to share his side of the story. Possibly, he is even trying to get back to his dad and Robyn too. He seems fairly "subtle" as  he could have been way more blunt and straight forward about many things.

Not sure why he isn't. Is he still gagged by TLC one way or the other? I find this hard to believe. His parents have contracts with TLC so how could they enforce a NDA on all kids? Unless of course TLC simply "blackmails" them: If you spill the beans, we'll end your parents' contracts. I can see how a child would not want to cause such a thing.

 

[Roslyn]

4 hours ago, LilyD said:

I have wondered about Paedon's sudden interest in SM. He just doesn't seem to be the type to be a social media influencer.

I have a gut feeling he is trying to set the records straight about some of the things in SW and wants to share his side of the story. Possibly, he is even trying to get back to his dad and Robyn too. He seems fairly "subtle" as  he could have been way more blunt and straight forward about many things.

Not sure why he isn't. Is he still gagged by TLC one way or the other? I find this hard to believe. His parents have contracts with TLC so how could they enforce a NDA on all kids? Unless of course TLC simply "blackmails" them: If you spill the beans, we'll end your parents' contracts. I can see how a child would not want to cause such a thing.

 

I suspect that Paedon is "happening" now because his mother is free from Kody.  She won't cop shit from Kody when Paedon speaks out, tho its mostly very vague. He did mention getting backlash from Kody when he wore the "what does the nanny do" t-shirt.

From the way he likes to mention what "type" of female he likes, I suspect he is looking for a certain type of female attention.

[MrsP]

Can someone please tell me how this family are even sealed? They have no access to a temple. They don't belong to the main stream Mormons so what temple are this family attending?

 

On that note, do they even have a ward they attend? Or does Kody just do sacrement at home?

 

Would they wear garments? Again, how would like have access to them?

[LilyD]

Well, they were kicked out of their church after appearing on national TV remember. Then on SW, we saw the odd “expression of faith”, I wouldn’t even call it service, where Kody lead the family in prayers and Bible passages, of when they were praying in one big circle. So, whatever they did, happened from home. I haven’t seen them doing it in a long time though.

Didn’t he also marry Mykelti? I’m not sure if that requires any form of training or being ordained?

[Pooky]

It's so interesting that Paedon was told not to discuss Meri. There must be sooo much dirt on her!! 

[Joan of Argh]

5 hours ago, Pooky said:

It's so interesting that Paedon was told not to discuss Meri. There must be sooo much dirt on her!! 

I was thinking maybe Christine knows that if Paedon reveals shit about Meri….. Meri might reveal shit about Christine

these people lived in each other’s pockets for the last 30? years…. I bet there’s all kinds of nasty stuff that the wives would rather keep private.

Edited May 10, 2022 by Joan of Argh
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[LilyD]

I guess that’s the whole problem with this bunch and why no one speaks up. If one does, both Kody and Meri will crash down upon that person with all the power they have. Those two have proven to be spiteful, sorry screamers who care little for others.

Robyn will do the same from a stealth mode. She’s like my stepmom (sorry for proving that myth about wicked step mums here) Playing the victim, staying emotional and “ nice” while carefully aiming one poisonous dart after another at you.

 

[ginger90]

Ysabel, 8 pictures, 1 video:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CdVtMycORB3/

[Joan of Argh]

I still love the episode where Paedon refused to go with the family to the polygamy protest in Utah… Kootie tried to act like it didn’t bother him but I think it did since Kootie was so impressed that Caleb came along to support the family even though he doesn’t practice polygamy.

I loved it when Paedon said “NO I don’t want to go!” and he said he was still pissed about being dragged away from his life in Utah and all his friends to go live in Las Vegas for no good reason.

 

 

[Elizzikra]

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he's scared of his Mom

Why? How? Is he physically afraid of her? Afraid that she will withdraw some sort of financial support (I wouldn't think she has any to offer)? Just afraid of losing the love of his mom?

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If one does, both Kody and Meri will crash down upon that person with all the power they have.

What power is that? They don't seem to have any money, so it's not financial support. I don't see most of the kids being attached to either of them so I don't know that the threat of losing their "love" is particularly strong. I think they can both be pretty verbally abusive but it's easy enough to avoid them. I just don't see how they hold that much sway over most of the kids, especially like Paedon, who is pretty much living independently at this point.

[LilyD]

To crash down upon someone with all the power they have:

If you ever happen to have the misfortune to start a fight with a Kody or Meri-type, you’ll know what I mean. They’ll scream and rant with so much force, making hurtful remark after hurtful remark, calling names, shouting to get their point or anger across etc. You can do little in terms of defence as they keep coming at you. Their behaviour in such fights is simply scary as hell.

I have 2 like this in my family. They’re both completely unreasonable and want to win the fight/be in the right at all costs. If one of starts a fight, the impact and damage they do with the things they say is so big that it takes years for it to heal, if ever. (Yeah, I have an awesome family, that’s completely torn apart, mostly because of those 2!)

Anyway, Kody and Meri are exactly like them, including the spiteful remarks that are meant to really hurt someone. And Kody with his beady eyes glaring around like he did last season?? Yikes!

 

 

Edited May 13, 2022 by LilyD
Corrected past tense

[Teafortwo]

On 5/13/2022 at 1:12 AM, CherryBelly said:

Because they're his parents and he doesn't want to cause problems for them or hurt them I expect.

Of course Paedon is attached to his Dad. He may not see him too often but he wouldn't want to be in a position where he was estranged.

You don't have to be financially dependent on someone or physically scared of them to not want to hurt them or put them through drama. Or upset them so much they cut you off.

And with everything that's happened with the Duggars, it could risk the Browns TLC contract and risk their public support if it came out that e.g Meri had hit the kids or been emotionally abusive to them and Kody, Janelle and Christine knew.

Maddie said some pretty damning stuff about Meri but then shut it all down, deleted her twitter and never spoke of it again. Which was pretty telling to me that the Browns had secrets but they shouldn't be spoken about in public. As a family not one person addressed it at all. They just pretended it never happened.

Plus if something bad had happened and someone spoke out now, they risk fracturing the whole family. How would Mariah feel if it was something about Meri? Would all the other siblings think it was the right thing to do or think it was private family business? What if Paedon was a witness more than a victim? Does he get to betray a siblings privacy and discuss their trauma without their permission? Would siblings be pissed off that Paedon saying something now led to a thousand online posts, YT videos and tabloid articles which is causing their parents stress, anxiety and online abuse? What if it led to them losing the TLC contract or endorsements so it has serious financial consequences? Would Paedon feel good about that? Would his parents and siblings be pissed off that now the entire family lose money?

It's a minefield in my opinion.

 

 

Completely agree and wanted to add that if anything bad about Meri came out, it would hurt her businesses. Even if she is not contributing her LLR income to the family pot, they've all been in the trenches together with the TV years etc, and Christine strikes me as someone too decent to want to hurt another member of the family, no matter how fractured, just for the sake of gossip and Paedon's influencer aspirations.

[LilyD]

Generally, I find all the Brown kids "fairly considerate and careful" on social media or tv. When it comes to the show, few really spill the beans or publicly attack someone (Maddie being the exception to both)

At first I thought about the possibility of an NDA. Now, I'm not so sure. I think it's more likely that they're very aware of the power, positive and negative, of SM and tv because it has always been a huge part of their lives. I'm sure a few have experienced nasty stuff because of something they, or a family member, posted. Add to that some sensible conversations about what could happen if certain things became public knowledge. So, it's probably common sense, experience and not being stupid that holds the Brown kids from dropping bombs on SM.

[Kellyee]

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Completely agree and wanted to add that if anything bad about Meri came out, it would hurt her businesses.

Other than just being a bitch to live with in general, I'm not so sure Meri has actually done anything to anyone that would qualify as horrifying. Everyone already knows about the "Sam" affair and Meri forcing the kids to walk outside in the snow for 2 minutes to avoid walking through her area of the house. Maddie called her a monster, but offered no proof of abuse. And Maddie is prone to exaggeration, so it's very likely that monster = bitch with rules who is a pain in everyone's ass. 

Paedon says he was told not to talk about Meri, but I'm not sure what he would actually say. And Paedon confessed to hitting his own sister and being rude to Robyn's kids, so Paedon's hands aren't exactly clean. 

None of the kids talk to Meri, but that could just be because she's bitch. Which won't really hurt her sales, especially when she gets some sympathy for being dumped by Kody.

 

 

 

[ginger90]

Paedon, 2 pictures:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdv4RnEOSy7/