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I keep expecting to see Jess show up but I guess they are really trying to play up the "is she dead or not?" drama. This season is just so boring, its so much nothing on top of nothing. Everyone just doing stupid things and going from one location to the next with the same things happening over and over. 

"The worst person ever." Really? Murphy is worst than rapists, murderers, and genocidal dictators? Slow your rolls you guys. 

Pretzel continues to be by far the most likable character in the show.

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2 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

"The worst person ever." Really? Murphy is worst than rapists, murderers, and genocidal dictators? Slow your rolls you guys. 

Not the worst person ever, but a strong candidate for worst person in how she treats her family and friends. I'm not saying they are so great either, but she treats them like crap even when they help her or just try to get her to stop behaving in a way that puts them all at risk. 

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Is it weird that I find Jess's bangs the most galling thing about finding her? Like, Murphy has been running around desperately trying to find her, and she knew Murphy had been about to visit her at the hospital when she left. So she knows Murphy would be worried about her. So she got a job somewhere out of state and bangs. The. Fuck. Jess.

Josh, cram the shit about putting Murphy away for life. You have no heroin, no murder weapon, a person no jury will believe could have actually intentionally shot to kill (I mean exactly how was she supposed to aim?) and buried someone without accomplices - who themselves have nothing but circumstantial evidence against, oh, and a video of the person who was murdered marching out with a gun TO KILL YOUR SUSPECT. That video is a gift-wrapped piece for the defense. Even if somehow they proved Murphy killed Nia, the jury sees that tape and immediately says self-defense.

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The fact that it has gotten to where I hate almost everyone on this show makes it hard to watch.  I like Trey and maybe Darnell and I don't hate Felix.  And of course Pretzel is the goodest boy.  

My top dislikes are Murphy and the Keystone cops (especially Josh and his stupid vendetta).  At this point I might only be watching to see if Josh gets a comeuppance for trying to use the PD for settling a personal score.  I can't even remember if Murphy actually liked him or was only using him because this season has been endless, but he comes off like an incel.

Also Murphy's going to bang that guy to manipulate him into giving her a ride, but she couldn't even shower with the guy at the Canadian casino to not get shot?

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I honestly didn't expect the uncle to take Murphy to Jess; I thought he was lying so that Murphy could keep his secret. Jess sure didn't seem happy to see Murphy.

Felix confessing to Nia's murder; I have no words.

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On 9/30/2021 at 3:12 PM, yourmomiseasy said:

The fact that it has gotten to where I hate almost everyone on this show makes it hard to watch.
...of course Pretzel is the goodest boy.  

I stopped watching early this season, but I am still following this thread.
Thank you, everyone, for your posts!

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The biggest shock this season is that the creepy uncle actually did take Murphy to Jess. Or possibly Jess's new bangs, those are pretty damn shocking. So Jess has just been hanging out at the gas station with her new bangs while Murphy runs around almost getting herself killed looking for her? Has Jess seriously been hiding from her all along? 

Josh is just embarrassing with his "I'm gonna put her away for life" rants, he has almost no evidence and a video that pretty much proves self defense, is anything, he hardly has anything to even charge her with besides making him feel bad. 

Oh Felix.

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8 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Josh is just embarrassing with his "I'm gonna put her away for life" rants, he has almost no evidence and a video that pretty much proves self defense, is anything, he hardly has anything to even charge her with besides making him feel bad. 

As much as I don't like how Murphy treats people (and I did feel bad for him way back when), at this point I am hoping he gets some sort of punishment for his obsessive and vengeful behavior. Maybe he's not doing anything illegal, since Gene apparently deputized him, but it feels wrong.

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12 minutes ago, Paloma said:

As much as I don't like how Murphy treats people (and I did feel bad for him way back when), at this point I am hoping he gets some sort of punishment for his obsessive and vengeful behavior. Maybe he's not doing anything illegal, since Gene apparently deputized him, but it feels wrong.

I'm not watching anymore, but it sounds like Josh is making Murphy the target of his frustration over his increasing blindness.
Or maybe the show is not that deep.

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17 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I'm not watching anymore, but it sounds like Josh is making Murphy the target of his frustration over his increasing blindness.
Or maybe the show is not that deep.

I'll go with option number 2. But in a better (deeper) show, I'm sure you'd be right about the first idea.

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I think he's just upset because he thought she liked him and now he feels like their entire relationship was a sham. He trusted her, he opened up to her, and she used him, is his narrative. It's "hell has no fury like a man who feels foolish".

He has some legitimate reasons to be pissed at her, but he's practically foaming at the mouth and the role is being so overacted that he looks like he's going to give himself a stroke in every scene he appears in. If he was just working the case, it would be okay. But he's really out of his mind at this point. Gene is working the case. Josh is on a rage bender.

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15 minutes ago, possibilities said:

he's practically foaming at the mouth and the role is being so overacted that he looks like he's going to give himself a stroke in every scene he appears in. If he was just working the case, it would be okay. But he's really out of his mind at this point. Gene is working the case. Josh is on a rage bender.

Exactly, this is what I can't stand about his part in the story.

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OK, Jess took off on her own - called that one!  

How old was Jenny Walker when she ran away?  If she were 18 or over, would consensual uncle-niece incest even be prosecuted?  There’d be social penalties, sure - but legal penalties?  For an adult woman deciding to estrange herself from her parents and move with her uncle? I suspect the authorities have bigger fish to fry!

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I think Jenny was in high school when she disappeared. Her uncle was supposed to be picking her up at school, which to me implies she was probably not old enough to drive. Also, he seemed to enjoy being her master, so he wasn't going to encourage her to have any choices or to become an adult of any kind. 

 

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Was this the series finale?

I am not really understanding why they are saying Murphy caused all of this. Maybe I forgot something, but I thought she was looking for who killed Darnell's cousin, and that's how she met Max, and then Felix and Jess stole Max's drug money and THAT is how things went off the rails.

I'm not saying Murphy is blameless. But I don't really see her as the root cause of all of their issues. Also, why hasn't she been given a lawyer???????

At this point, it looks to me like Nia's right hand woman is being put in the cell to kill her, because why else would they allow the two of them to be together? 

 

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44 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I think Jenny was in high school when she disappeared. Her uncle was supposed to be picking her up at school, which to me implies she was probably not old enough to drive. Also, he seemed to enjoy being her master, so he wasn't going to encourage her to have any choices or to become an adult of any kind. 

 

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Was this the series finale?

I am not really understanding why they are saying Murphy caused all of this. Maybe I forgot something, but I thought she was looking for who killed Darnell's cousin, and that's how she met Max, and then Felix and Jess stole Max's drug money and THAT is how things went off the rails.

I'm not saying Murphy is blameless. But I don't really see her as the root cause of all of their issues. Also, why hasn't she been given a lawyer???????

At this point, it looks to me like Nia's right hand woman is being put in the cell to kill her, because why else would they allow the two of them to be together? 

 

Nope! It's renewed for a fourth season.

You're remembering correctly. The original premise of the show was her finding out what happened to Tyson. Tyson and Darnell (and then when we found out in s2 that Nia was Darnell's sister, that would make her Tyson's cousin as well) were cousins. That's how Darnell and Murphy linked up. Max was already in this as he was laundering money for Nia.

There was that whole thing at the cabin in s1 with Murphy. I can't really recall tbh. Max leaves the money there which Felix and Jess end up stealing, giving Nia leverage to use against him and force them to launder money for her. So technically.....Jess and Felix are the reason they got in with Nia.

Nia was aware of Murphy previous to that though but they had no involvement. She just basically told Murphy to shut her mouth and stop nosing around Nia's business when it came to playing detective about Tyson's case. It was in Murphy's birthday episode. But if anything, Nia would just gone after Murphy had she continued to feel threatened by Murphy's quest to seek justice for Tyson. Jess and Felix never would have been implicated had they not taken the money.

It does seem like Sam is there to kill Murphy. She pretty much warned Felix she would. Not sure how that will work out. It's not like it's a fair fight. Murphy can't really see. I see it going two ways. One, Sam fucks her up pretty bad and she ends up in the hospital and somehow people stop blaming her for Nia's death or two, Sam and Murphy become...well, how about Sam just forgets about killing her?

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9 hours ago, possibilities said:

I think Jenny was in high school when she disappeared. Her uncle was supposed to be picking her up at school, which to me implies she was probably not old enough to drive.

I was under the impression that Jenny was in middle school, at most 13-14, partly because of the friendship bracelet thing--that's something that elementary and maybe middle school girls do, but probably not high school girls. Also, I vaguely remember something being said about her age also indicating that she was 13-14 when kidnapped, but my brain could just be making that up. 

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3 minutes ago, Boofish said:

My heart broke for Pretzel.

Even though Murphy hugged Pretzel and said she loved him before being taken away, before that she had never really shown that love (or the show had not shown us that she really loved him) or even seemed to take proper care of him. She was always putting him (as well as herself and others) in dangerous situations, and there were so many times when I was yelling at the screen "Pretzel needs food and water." When Murphy and Jess were having the dramatic confrontation in the pet store,  I was distracted from the drama by the thought that here they were in a store full of dog food and Murphy still wasn't giving him any or taking any for what she thought would be a trip to Canada.

Why were Max and Felix able to visit Murphy in jail/prison? Weren't both of them also wanted by the police? I think Felix said something about being arrested and his sister got him out on bail, but I can't remember what the charge was. Was Max also arrested and out on bail? Are people who are charged with crimes allowed to visit people in jail/prison?

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"Your sister didn't die because of you, she died because of Murphy." Apparently her being a murderous drug dealer had nothing whatsoever to do with her death. I am seriously so over everyone acting like everything bad ever is Murphy's fault. Will they try and charge her with assassinating Abraham Lincoln next?

I think Jess won this weeks prize for least likable character, not counting the creepy uncle. She couldn't have just told Murphy she was alive and not to look for her? Maybe Murphy still would have looked for her, but deliberately trying to make Murphy think she was dead is seriously fucked up. 

Poor Pretzel. 

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hey also tried to make it seem like Murphy was actually abusively controlling Jess, instead of that Jess and Murphy were co-dependently enmeshed. I really think that's a retcon to assassinate Murphy's character and justify Jess having tried to escape, but it's not what we saw to be true of their relationship at any previous time in the series. It also assassinated Jess's agency, and one of the things I had liked about the show is that both Murphy and Jess were characters with full agency, not just acted on but actually making choices based on their own values.

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Murphy suuuucks, but I did feel bad for her after she was arrested. Max, Felix, and Jess get to go about their lives, apparently, and Murphy ends up in prison? What jury is going to convict Murphy, LOL?

I probably would have throat-kicked Jess too. Allowing your friends to think you are dead because you think your friendship with Murphy is toxic? Wow, how shitty.

Hope that the mom takes good care of Pretzel. But when she was in the car accident with Murphy, I don’t think either checked on him. So I don’t know...

Felix and Murphy were, at times, terrible to each other this season. But I am glad he let Murphy know that he will be there for her. 

Is this the last of Max and Jess? I like the actor who plays Max, but the character no longer serves a purpose. And I’m over Jess after her terrible actions this season.

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Why the heck does this show insist on forgetting that Felix and Jess took the money? Murphy didn't do that! She sucks but this is  not only on her. 

Also, the cops barely have a case against Murphy. Her lawyer could easily argue self defense but in this world she doesn't get one apparently. 

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On 10/9/2021 at 7:03 PM, Court said:

Why the heck does this show insist on forgetting that Felix and Jess took the money? Murphy didn't do that! She sucks but this is  not only on her. 

Murphy told them about Max's money and where it was.  She started the ball rolling.  Not excusing them, but she is just as accountable.   

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I enjoyed Jess telling Murphy to fuck off, tbh.  It was ridiculous the way Murphy was ordering Jess to leave the pet store and go to Canada.  When someone feels like they have to fake their death to get away from you, you might be an asshole.  All the shenanigans are not Murphy's fault, Felix and Jess did escalate everything by being stupid and taking the money.  But Murphy does make everything worse and is a wrecking ball busting through everyone's lives.  

All that being said, the biggest asshole on this show is Josh.  His hate boner for Murphy is ridiculous and that Gene is indulging it is reason number one that he's not fit to be in charge.  Also Gene's just so incompetent in general.  Of course the keystone cops didn't cover all exits of the pet store.  And just because Josh wants to put Murphy away forever and ever doesn't mean the DA is going to file charges.  Seriously, what competent DA would file charges against a blind woman for the shooting death of someone given evidence that consists of a button and Josh's hurts feelings?  How did this go far enough that it looks like Murphy has made it past booking and holding and is now in county?  Why wouldn't the DA have laughed at them and slammed the door in their faces?  

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7 hours ago, possibilities said:

She's never seen a lawyer, apparently.

 

Well, she is blind.  (I'll show myself out)

She shouldn't need a lawyer to get out of this murder charge.  The DA not wanting to get laughed out of office should be enough to stop it.  Like maybe they'd give her an accessory charge or impeding an investigation, or some other bullshit like that, or even drug charges, but not murder in a shooting death when the gun wasn't touching the victim.  A political rival of the DA would leak this bs and a hot white disabled woman victim would give the story legs.  How would she even get arraigned without the judge going "you've got to be shitting me?"  Also, the police department just had all that scandal with the last captain and what's him name (the cop Murphy was banging).  Let's set aside the fact that the union wouldn't let Gene be promoted to captain.  Top brass would have shut this shit show investigation down because they don't need the embarrassment of this arrest based on some rando's personal vendetta given their current situation -- it is just another form of corruption and the optics are not good.  I can fanwank a lot of stuff, but this is just too ridiculous.   

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This is one of those shows that’s really easy to binge, but I have whiplash from people turning around and sleeping with different people - this blackout episode, for example.  Max doing the same thing that he did with Murphy, love-bombing.  Murphy turning around and trying to use Felix, when Max is having sex in the next room. Then having sex with Trey in the shower.  

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Max is just as much of a dick as Murphy. 

Murphy was willing to give up everything for Jess, and if Jess and Felix hadn't stolen the money in the first place, they would have been fine. This all started with Murphy trying to find out what really happened, and getting a confession on her phone, by the police officer who murdered her friend. 

Felix's sister helping them is her being a good sister, but she's also doing it because she is having sex with Max. This guy turns around and literally starts living with new women, when he needs a new start. Didn't he get involved with Murphy, because he was in with the drug dealers? I know he was a giving evidence against them, but he still met her through his involvement with the people who were willing to kill her and her friends. His whiny complaints about his new girlfriend letting her brother and his friends stay with her, when he's known her for how many days? And the whole "hey, you want to get some food?" and the rest of them running around like none of them are wanted by the police, when ALL of them are? Except for the sister. Murphy isn't the only one that the police are looking for. She was willing to take the fall for ALL of them, because she's so worried about her best friend. I haven't finished the last episode, but I see from this thread that her best friend let her think that she was dead, after calling her, which let her know that she was alive. If you want to get away from your friend, don't call her! 

 

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On 10/8/2021 at 5:01 PM, tennisgurl said:

"Your sister didn't die because of you, she died because of Murphy." Apparently her being a murderous drug dealer had nothing whatsoever to do with her death. I am seriously so over everyone acting like everything bad ever is Murphy's fault. Will they try and charge her with assassinating Abraham Lincoln next?

I think Jess won this weeks prize for least likable character, not counting the creepy uncle. She couldn't have just told Murphy she was alive and not to look for her? Maybe Murphy still would have looked for her, but deliberately trying to make Murphy think she was dead is seriously fucked up. 

Poor Pretzel. 

I don't know why the show makes it seem like everything is Murphy's fault. She's all of a sudden some criminal mastermind. 

On 10/8/2021 at 5:10 PM, possibilities said:

hey also tried to make it seem like Murphy was actually abusively controlling Jess, instead of that Jess and Murphy were co-dependently enmeshed. I really think that's a retcon to assassinate Murphy's character and justify Jess having tried to escape, but it's not what we saw to be true of their relationship at any previous time in the series. It also assassinated Jess's agency, and one of the things I had liked about the show is that both Murphy and Jess were characters with full agency, not just acted on but actually making choices based on their own values.

Codependently enmeshed is a great way to put it. I don't see the retcon to assassinate Murphy's character, though. She's basically the same as she has always been. 

On 10/19/2021 at 6:56 AM, yourmomiseasy said:

I enjoyed Jess telling Murphy to fuck off, tbh.  It was ridiculous the way Murphy was ordering Jess to leave the pet store and go to Canada.  When someone feels like they have to fake their death to get away from you, you might be an asshole.  All the shenanigans are not Murphy's fault, Felix and Jess did escalate everything by being stupid and taking the money.  But Murphy does make everything worse and is a wrecking ball busting through everyone's lives.  

All that being said, the biggest asshole on this show is Josh.  His hate boner for Murphy is ridiculous and that Gene is indulging it is reason number one that he's not fit to be in charge.  Also Gene's just so incompetent in general.  Of course the keystone cops didn't cover all exits of the pet store.  And just because Josh wants to put Murphy away forever and ever doesn't mean the DA is going to file charges.  Seriously, what competent DA would file charges against a blind woman for the shooting death of someone given evidence that consists of a button and Josh's hurts feelings?  How did this go far enough that it looks like Murphy has made it past booking and holding and is now in county?  Why wouldn't the DA have laughed at them and slammed the door in their faces?  

I enjoyed Jess telling Murphy off, too. I think it's an unpopular opinion because people feel like Jess was wrong to fake her death but I think that was the only chance she had to get away from Murphy. I hate how nonchalant they made Jess at the end, though. 

And yes, Gene is likeable but is so incompetent. He needed to be working with a more experienced detective (like Dean, if he hadn't been so crooked) instead of getting a promotion. Common sense tells you that if you find people in a pet store at night, employees should be there. 

The whole case is dumb - just the button that Josh miraculously saw and Murphy expertly shooting Nia. 

On 10/26/2021 at 6:42 AM, Anela said:

Max is just as much of a dick as Murphy. 

Murphy was willing to give up everything for Jess, and if Jess and Felix hadn't stolen the money in the first place, they would have been fine. This all started with Murphy trying to find out what really happened, and getting a confession on her phone, by the police officer who murdered her friend. 

Felix's sister helping them is her being a good sister, but she's also doing it because she is having sex with Max. This guy turns around and literally starts living with new women, when he needs a new start. Didn't he get involved with Murphy, because he was in with the drug dealers? I know he was a giving evidence against them, but he still met her through his involvement with the people who were willing to kill her and her friends. His whiny complaints about his new girlfriend letting her brother and his friends stay with her, when he's known her for how many days? And the whole "hey, you want to get some food?" and the rest of them running around like none of them are wanted by the police, when ALL of them are? Except for the sister. Murphy isn't the only one that the police are looking for. She was willing to take the fall for ALL of them, because she's so worried about her best friend. I haven't finished the last episode, but I see from this thread that her best friend let her think that she was dead, after calling her, which let her know that she was alive. If you want to get away from your friend, don't call her! 

Max is clingy and it seems to be connected with some sort of issues he has. He was like that with Murphy, too. And since he and Murphy broke up, he has to completely separate himself from her so he can move on. 

I think Murphy is persistent and loyal. But she was also dependent on Jess. When they split up on their way to Canada it was immediately decided Jess had to stay with Murphy. I feel like Murphy's conversations with imaginary Jess reflected some of the guilt she had for how she treated Jess. And yea, it was a huge lapse in judgment for Jess to call Murphy  and expect her to just drop it.

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"The Best TV Episodes of 2021" on the frickin front webpage (above the fold) of the frickin New York Times (Dec. 20, 2021, 5:00 a.m. ET) included:

  • "‘In the Dark’ (CW) ‘Somewhere Over the Border’ 
    "This CW drama about a blind woman and her buddies, who run a rescue-dog agency and get involved in drug dealing and murder, is no more than a serviceable thriller. But the rapport among its central characters, Murphy (Perry Mattfeld), Jess (Brooke Markham) and Felix (Morgan Krantz), has developed into one of the more believable and moving portrayals of friendship on TV. When Murphy found herself stranded in a strange country, the strength of those ties was the foundation of a taut and agonizing hour. (Streaming on Netflix.) MIKE HALE"

‘Somewhere Over the Border’ was episode 3 of season 3, which may have been the last episode I watched.
(After I stopped watching, I just read comments here.)

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13 hours ago, PinkRibbons said:

New episode tonight!

This is my cue.

Tonight's ep: Murphy's in the same prison as Sam, uh-oh. Murphy gets beaten up a bit, and at the end makes a deal with Roma Maffia, looking badass and in charge. Felix, his sister, and Max try to get bail for Murphy, they are unsuccessful, as they have to have Grandmother pull some strings, and she won't rush a duck lunch for that. Felix and Leslie are now the Gilmore girls, having to have lunch with Grandmother every week in order for her help with Murphy. Lady detective finally tells Josh to get over his vendetta against Murphy. It's basically out of his hands now that the judicial system has taken its turn. Of course Murphy will somehow get off—I doubt they want the main character in prison for the entire season—but he's had his bite at the apple. Josh hands over Pretzel to Leslie.

Not the best season opener, but this show has gone downhill anyway.

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3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Lady detective finally tells Josh to get over his vendetta against Murphy. It's basically out of his hands now that the judicial system has taken its turn. Of course Murphy will somehow get off—

Well, she should get off considering that she didn’t kill Nia - Jess did! In defense of Murphy, entirely justified.

Is this little fact ever going to come out? I’ll keep watching until then just to see the egg on Josh’s face when he finds out.

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Not enough Pretzel. If this show wants my attention for another season, I am going to need a whole lot more Pretzel content. 

I know that Murphy brings on a lot of her problems herself, but I cant not feel sorry for her, everything in her life is always going from bad to worse, and while everyone on this show does messed up, stupid things, she's always one of the only ones who has to face any consequences. 

I did enjoy the lady detective telling Josh to stop with his childish hate on for Murphy and actually do his job, I hope that Murphy gets out of jail just so that we can see his stupid smug smirk fall. Even Gene seems ready to move on and focus on some actual police work instead of petty vendettas against woman who kill drug lords.  

I mean, except it was Jess that killed her. I wonder if that will ever come out, especially now that Jess is apparently gone. 

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