S06.E15: Ten Gallon Spats

[LotusFlower]

I don't think money is the reason for the demotion. Aviva held out almost as long. She signed her contract only three days before Lu did, and filming had been underway for about 3 weeks.

Just FYI - I read a lot of gossip items that it was a money holdout. I'm pretty sure I even read that LuAnn herself talked about wanting a raise - something about respecting her as one of the original ladies, although that might have been a hearsay item. Also, I'm pretty sure Alex McCord not only confirmed this in one of her blogs, but said that she herself turned down a "discount" offer to reappear on the show (I guess in the "Friend of" status), sort of criticizing LuAnn for losing the gamble, and rather boldly complimenting herself for "getting it right" by not accepting the "cut-rate" offer. In other words, going by her involvement and appearances, LuAnn is a full-time HW, but is getting paid at a discounted rate. This is all according to Alex, so it can be taken with a grain of salt, but just passing it on....

[ryebread]

I also think she ordered her own wheelchair, just in case she was made to go (it is her job).  She needs to draw attention to herself & make it all about her... her own little parade, if you will!

While searching for the designer of Aviva's bikini tops (love them but at $275 for just the top, I can't afford them) I came across this pic.  The bulging tissue of her stump where it joins to her prosthesis looks like it would be painful if she had to walk a lot on it.  The chafing alone probably gets uncomfortable.  

She can have a wheelchair, a trolley or a covered wagon to get her through the airport - large or small - as far as I'm concerned. 

 

They ALL need to draw attention to themselves.  That's why they're on my TV.  That's why they keep interrupting each other, having asinine fights and getting bikini waxes.

[motorcitymom65]

Just FYI - I read a lot of gossip items that it was a money holdout. I'm pretty sure I even read that LuAnn herself talked about wanting a raise - something about respecting her as one of the original ladies, although that might have been a hearsay item. Also, I'm pretty sure Alex McCord not only confirmed this in one of her blogs, but said that she herself turned down a "discount" offer to reappear on the show (I guess in the "Friend of" status), sort of criticizing LuAnn for losing the gamble, and rather boldly complimenting herself for "getting it right" by not accepting the "cut-rate" offer. In other words, going by her involvement and appearances, LuAnn is a full-time HW, but is getting paid at a discounted rate. This is all according to Alex, so it can be taken with a grain of salt, but just passing it on....

Yes, sorry, the holdout was absolutely about money. None of the ladies hid that fact. They originally staged a "friends" style holdout as one big group. Ramona, Sonja, Heather and Carol either caved first, or they got what they wanted. I never did understand if they actually got more money or were just scared when Andy made the statement that he would recast the entire show if they didn't start filming. Aviva and Lu held out for another few weeks. My point was only that I don't think that Lu's demotion was about the fact that she held out, since Aviva held out almost as long.

[LotusFlower]

My point was only that I don't think that Lu's demotion was about the fact that she held out, since Aviva held out almost as long.

What else would it be? I know you speculated earlier that it might be because of her break-up with Jaques, but that doesn't make sense. Why would they punish/demote her for that? Why didn't they do the same to Ramona, who filed for divorce after most (or all) of the season was filmed? I'm not sure why there's even speculation when the money issue was reported everywhere. Even if Aviva held out as well, she probably caved in due time, whereas simply missing the deadline (LuAnn) meant they started filming without her, which meant she wasn't included in the earlier activities. Hence, the demotion. Plus, I think there's a sort of punitive aspect to the producers, ie. if you try for a money grab, we'll punish (demote) you; if you don't sign on the dotted line before filming starts, we'll punish you, etc.... Kind of a power/upper-hand thing.

[MatildaMoody]

 

Even if Aviva held out as well, she probably caved in due time, whereas simply missing the deadline (LuAnn) meant they started filming without her, which meant she wasn't included in the earlier activities. Hence, the demotion.

But hadn't they started filming without Aviva as well? They were both late to start shooting. And, I remember reading that large parts of Luann's story line had been chopped from the final season. 

[Lola16]

 Does anyone know if we will see any of the split between Jacques and Lu? They announced their breakup in September and at this point in the show, we are already at Labor Day, with at least 3 or 4 episodes to go. Things must have been rocky in the relationship by now. Would have been interesting to see some of it.

That timing could explain why LuAnn isn't in good humor about Sonja's facialist's gossip.  Mario cheated on Ramona. Old man Morgan cheated on Sonja.  Josh is likely cheating on Kristen.  Would any of them like the facialist to be gossiping about them on TV?  Doubt it.

[LotusFlower]

But hadn't they started filming without Aviva as well? They were both late to start shooting.

I don't think so. The season started with some party or gathering, and Aviva was present, as she told Carole about her book deal and asked if she was "in." (starting the book-gate saga...). They definitely play around with editing and timing, but I remember Carole feeling uncomfortable and saying that it was the first time she had seen Aviva since the reunion. LuAnn was not present, and I think only joined the ladies at someone's house in the Hamptons (actually, I think it was LuAnn's house!) some time later, and again I remember Carole taking LuAnn aside and apologizing for some of the things from the prior season. And she and Aviva were already not speaking, so that explains some of the timeline.

[jennylauren123]

I hadn't really noticed Kristen's lack of support until I saw this:

http://instagram.com/p/pfU9x5AfTW/

The darts of her dress are actually above her chest, rather than low on the sides, as they should be. I mean, I think those are darts, right? They look weird because they hit her in such an odd place.

Edited June 21, 2014 by jennylauren123

[aradia22]

The bottom one looks like a dart. Not sure about the top one. But wow. I'm all for doing whatever makes you happy and comfortable but that is not good. It doesn't even look comfortable.

[Mozelle]

After it's all said and done, I don't think that Aviva needs a wheelchair. The woman was appalled at that shot on the episode. Plus, she lives in the most walkingest cities in the country, if not the world, and has never mentioned the need to rely on wheelchairs from time to time. Her husband to ride the elevator? Yes. Her husband to fly to St. Barth's? Mhmm. This wheelchair business. I'm saying a big fat "NO!" to.

 

Out of curiosity, I visited her Twitter page hoping that maybe she re-tweeted and answered a question about the wheelchair. I haven't seen anything about that. However, she's posted a bunch of pictures of her, Reid, and the children in Central Park. Central Park is freaking massive! She's walking the park and the city, and last season, she talked about how even though she's an amputee she still does what a lot of other people (who have both of their legs) do. There are other pictures on her Twitter of her out and about in the city as well.

 

Now I'm supposed to take seriously that a shot of a wheelchair means that Aviva may need it? All because it was Kristen who questioned Aviva, of course. So, now Aviva--I'll repeat: the same woman who thinks that the wheelchair shown in the episode was a cruel joke (which says to me that she didn't, in fact, ever need it or ask for one or anything of the sort because why would she call its presence a cruel joke if it's something she relies on?)--definitely needs a wheelchair from time to time? Nahhhh.

[Grneyedldy]

I never thought the wheelchair had anything to do with her leg. I thought it was more about her gasping for air because of the high elevation (3000 ft. Whoa) and all that clean air. I do agree that I don't think she requested the wheelchair because I don't think she ever really intended on going. It looks like the producers arranged for the chair either to make it easier for her or to mock her.

Put me in that communal handbasket to a warmer climate because I thought it was funny.

[ryebread]

Now I'm supposed to take seriously that a shot of a wheelchair means that Aviva may need it? All because it was Kristen who questioned Aviva, of course. So, now Aviva--I'll repeat: the same woman who thinks that the wheelchair shown in the episode was a cruel joke (which says to me that she didn't, in fact, ever need it or ask for one or anything of the sort because why would she call its presence a cruel joke if it's something she relies on?)--definitely needs a wheelchair from time to time? Nahhhh.

 

Stumps swell and get larger and smaller depending on the time of day, circulation, humidity, medications, altitude (!), etc.  so if she needs one after sitting on a cross country plane ride, she should get one without 2 legged people who have no idea (Heather) what it's like to have a swollen stump.  Her swollen stump, jammed into that prosthesis in that pic looks awfully painful to me. 

 

Maybe she griped about THAT particular wheelchair being a cruel joke because everyone knew she wasn't taking the trip and somebody ordered the wheelchair anyway.  And put the placard on it, to mock her "banner moment"?  Could that be the cruel joke part?

 

Maybe she can walk around Central Park during the morning before she gets swelling.  Who knows.  Her pictures all look staged to me anyway.

Edited June 21, 2014 by ryebread

[ryebread]

I do agree that I don't think she requested the wheelchair because I don't think she ever really intended on going. It looks like the producers arranged for the chair either to make it easier for her or to mock her.

That makes sense.

 

Now on to Kristen's boobs. LOL...

Being relatively flat and not wearing a bra is going to bite her in the ass.  Since she works out, her pecs will continue to stay firm while her boobs naturally get saggy.  Gravity, yo.  So she's going to end up with nice firm pecs and underneath those firm pecs - 'golf balls in tube socks' boobs.  I can already see it happening in that pic.  The only thing that will fix that (if she sees it as unattractive) is surgery or a weight gain. If she gains weight, she'll still have saggy boobs but having more flesh on her chest overall will blend the pecs into the boobs.  She could've avoided that by wearing a brahr.  But perhaps she doesn't see it as a problem.  I think she's beautiful but one thing I would tell my 20 year old, flat chested self is that no matter how flat you are, you should always give the girls a boost.

[car54]

From what I've read, Lu's status was changed due to holding out and missing some of the filming, but I have also read that Bravo was not happy with her because she filmed the rest of the season, THEN let it be known that she and Jacques were over, so it could not be part of this season's storyline.    

[motorcitymom65]

What else would it be? I know you speculated earlier that it might be because of her break-up with Jaques, but that doesn't make sense. Why would they punish/demote her for that? Why didn't they do the same to Ramona, who filed for divorce after most (or all) of the season was filmed? I'm not sure why there's even speculation when the money issue was reported everywhere. Even if Aviva held out as well, she probably caved in due time, whereas simply missing the deadline (LuAnn) meant they started filming without her, which meant she wasn't included in the earlier activities. Hence, the demotion. Plus, I think there's a sort of punitive aspect to the producers, ie. if you try for a money grab, we'll punish (demote) you; if you don't sign on the dotted line before filming starts, we'll punish you, etc.... Kind of a power/upper-hand thing.

Anything is possible and it would be interesting to know what really happened. Probably a variety of things. The article below about her signing points out that the other gals signed May 9th, Aviva signed May 24th, and Lu signed May 27th. It said filming was already underway so it was unclear what Lu and Aviva's status would be. I don't think that Lu missing the first few episodes is that big of deal when it came down to deciding who would get an apple and FT status when you look at the whole season. Ramona missed two episodes while she was in Africa, and missed many events. She didn't go to Heather's party, left the Berkshires early and missed an episode there, and didn't go to Saratoga. Aviva will end up missing 4 or 5 episodes by the end of the season because she refused to attend. She missed the signing deadline, didn't do the trips, and yet she is still a FT gal. I think everyone knew that Lu was lying about her relationship and they were pissed that they broke up literally right when filming ended. Who knows how much of her story was about Jacques. Maybe it was all about them getting married or having a baby and they decided it all looked silly on film.

http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/real_housewives_contract_dispute_luann_de_lesseps_signs_deal_to_return_to_new_york_city_for_season_6-2013-05

Edited June 21, 2014 by motorcitymom65

[ryebread]

 I have also read that Bravo was not happy with her because she filmed the rest of the season, THEN let it be known that she and Jacques were over, so it could not be part of this season's storyline.    

 

So do you think that means that there's a lot of footage in the can of Jacques and Lu acting like a happy couple?  Bring it, Bravo! The sheer crappiness of their acting would be so snarkable. That said, I wonder why Bravo wasn't happy about them faking it.  Why couldn't it still be a part of the storyline? 

 

It's not like even 50% of this show is organic anyway.

Maybe it was all about them getting married or having a baby and they decided it all looked silly on film.

http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/real_housewives_contract_dispute_luann_de_lesseps_signs_deal_to_return_to_new_york_city_for_season_6-2013-05

The whole baby storyline was when Lu and Jac finally jumped the shark for me.  They had a toe in the water when Lu was singing with Natalie Cole and Jac was acting either dis-interested or overly enthusiastic - in the same frame.

 

Another thing that I think is silly:

 

So they cut Lu out of the intros because she's not a F/T Ho.  Aviva was cut out of the intros (she's back now) as a means to punish her for whatever it was she did?  That just seems so...so...un-corporate to me.  It's like, nyah, nyah, we're taking your apple away.  Bad Housewife.  Bad.  I guess as long as the paychecks kept rolling in I wouldn't care much. How infantile if that's why they do it, though.  But what other reason could it be? 

[JennyMominFL]

There was a show on VH1 or E the other day about celebrity divorces. LuAnne was on there stating Bill Clinton Style, I did not have sex with that pirate.IN one of the interviews she stated that SHE reduced her role on RHONY so that she could concentrate on business projects. I'm sure that this show will run again in the near future if anyone wants to watch

[ryebread]

LuAnne was on there stating Bill Clinton Style, I did not have sex with that pirate.

 

And we know how that worked out for Bill Clinton. Even though, Jac and Lu weren't married at the time, I hope she didn't have sex with the pirate.  Although I kind of think she did.

[jaync]

That pic, LOL. It's a good thing Aviva's asthma didn't prevent her from being around all that plant life and algae, and holding in her breath like a mofo to show off that sexy ribcage. And what the hell is going on with Reid's leg? They're such sacks of douche.

[LovetoSnark]

 

Edited June 21, 2014 by LovetoSnark

[zoeysmom]

And we know how that worked out for Bill Clinton. Even though, Jac and Lu weren't married at the time, I hope she didn't have sex with the pirate.  Although I kind of think she did.

If LuAnn didn't have sex it was rather fake that she called her friend for an alibi-while fully mic'd.  I think LuAnn likes to feel very desirable and didn't take time to think of the consequences.  I think everyone is still waiting to hear where the mysterious Italians were that night.  LuAnn knows that she has to bring it each season and so far this season her umbrage is disproportionate to the event she feigns her expressive anger towards.  She is a good one for chirping on the side and an occasional snide remark but for the most part she has chosen to not to present much of what is going on to her life.  Maybe it is just a case of she has little going on.  Even if she and Jacques parted ways near the end or after filming I don't see why Bravo wouldn't show it.  My guess is LuAnn already played that card once when she filmed Season 2 pretending to be with the Count and they had split the sheets.

 

It is easy to stay on the side lines and make wise cracks not so easy to put your life out there for the world to see.

[sasha206]

Kristin's boob situation is so strange to me.  There have been scenes where she has a bra on but they still look down to her navel.  Maybe she just has lower hanging ones?  I don't know but I don't find her body the slightest bit attractive.  She has height and that's about it.

 

And where does she get off talking about "needing a doctor's note" if she isn't going to Montana and then questioning it when she gets it.  Aviva is an asshole no doubt, but my goodness, Kristin is awfully full of herself too.

[RedheadZombie]

I have no problem with Kristen's saggy boobs.  My only interest is that she states those are implants.  How do these women manage to get such bad work?

 

So do you think that means that there's a lot of footage in the can of Jacques and Lu acting like a happy couple?  Bring it, Bravo! The sheer crappiness of their acting would be so snarkable. That said, I wonder why Bravo wasn't happy about them faking it.  Why couldn't it still be a part of the storyline?

 

 

I've never understood the contention that Bravo was angry about this faked storyline.  From what I've seen, Bravo not only doesn't mind faked storylines, they encourage it.  Why would she be punished?  Are they now punishing Ramona for pretending her marriage is still happy?

 

I don't understand open relationships - at all.  But if it's a mutual decision, it's really not my concern.  I imagine that Luann probably prefers this type of arrangement - at least Ramona seems determined to put that out there at reunions.  It does make it awkward when Lu has a ONS while filming.  That was a sticky situation.  I feel that Lu basically acknowledged it at the reunion, since she stated how sad she was to hurt Jacques.

[MatildaMoody]

 

I've never understood the contention that Bravo was angry about this faked storyline.  From what I've seen, Bravo not only doesn't mind faked storylines, they encourage it.  Why would she be punished?  Are they now punishing Ramona for pretending her marriage is still happy?

I've never really believed that they dumped the footage because Luann was faking. I always thought that the dumped the footage because it simply wasn't as interesting as her interactions with the other women. And with that footage being dumped, there was no story line for Luann outside of the women. Combine that with Luann wanting more money, and it just made sense for her to be demoted. 

 

Compare that to Aviva who also held out for more money and missed a lot of events, and the difference is that BRAVO thought that her father would bring some interest to her story line. So, they kept her at full time status, banking (wrongly) on the audience being entertained or at least interested in what her perverted father would bring to the table.

 

ETA: They may have been pissed off that Luann subjected them to a fake story line that was also completely boring and therefore unsuitable for airing. But, from the interactions that I have seen with her and J, I'm pretty sure that we all dodged a bullet by not having to watch that play out.

Edited June 21, 2014 by MatildaMoody

[zoeysmom]

I believe that the entire cast except maybe Ramona had heard about Mario's summer dalliance.  I doubt anyone had the nerve-no matter the money, the exposure or storyline to confront Ramona about it until it hit the tabloids.  I doubt they would use a manicurist for that type of bombshell.  Jill had started it in earlier seasons and in landed flat.  I do think they were pushing Ramona to get her to open about  it and she would not budge.  My only guess as to the Ramona/Mario storyline is that because they are at least appearing to work at a reconciliation no one will touch it.  Anything coming from Heather, Carole or Kristen would just be mean spirited, Aviva would be fake and Sonja may be the one to approach it next season and LuAnn will be all over it-gossiping with the others.  The problem is Ramona isn't the cheater-it is difficult to be hard on someone who wants to forgive a indiscretion (even though it was huge) in a 20+ year marriage.  I am certain it will come up at the Reunion.  LuAnn will be delirious.

 

I don't know why I am commenting about next year first they have to be renewed.

[copacabana]

I don't have an issue with Aviva needing a wheelchair.  Hell, I don't have any of her issues and can see where it might come in handy.  She earns the wheelchair IF she goes on the trip.  I don't ski, tried and tried for years, never worked out -- none of that ever prevented me from going on ski trips with friends and family when those were open to me.  Which wasn't all that often, granted, but I was always there because I wanted to be with them and experience those places. I'd hang back and do other things or just sit and watch the slope action which one can do.  

 

The effort involved in just going, regardless of whether or not one can fully participate, is what makes the difference. 

 

Now, for myself, I don't care because any epi without Aviva on my screen is a good one but whatevs on the chair. 

 

And LuAnn needs to NOT lost it over the straight from central casting gossipy facialist. 

 

Carole's Beauty School (dropout?) gossip comments were interesting.  Sonja and Carole = pluck out my hairs and let me condescend until the cows come home. 

[izabella]

Kristin's boob situation is so strange to me.  There have been scenes where she has a bra on but they still look down to her navel.  Maybe she just has lower hanging ones?

 

I think she wears strapless bras, from what I have been able to tell.  And maybe that used to be enough, but these days, she needs bras with straps.

[bref]

Awesome, my internet search history now contains the terms "RHONY Kristin's boobs". I have to admit I hadn't particularly noticed them one way or another until I read all the comments here, but now that I've seen this? Yecchhh. Can't unsee. She should get her money back for those.

 

Edited June 21, 2014 by bref

[ryebread]

Awesome, my internet search history now contains the terms "RHONY Kristin's boobs".

 

Don't feel bad.  Mine contains:  "Aviva Drescher's stump".

[tulip555]

she doesn't have much of a figure, IMO....no real curves, but more "straight" lines through the mid drift.

[copacabana]

I guess I'm going to have to be that pill -- Nothing wrong with Kristin's breasts whether real or fake.  Nothing wrong with a bit of sag either. 

 

Kristen's issues have nothing to do with her rack.  Back in my peak days -- no pun intended -- from the 70s to the 80s -- breasts could be whatever they were -- High strung, low strung -- whatever. 

 

She looks fine to me -- if she prefers not to have them just under her neck, cleavage style, fine with me. 

[Mozelle]

I guess I'm going to have to be that pill -- Nothing wrong with Kristin's breasts whether real or fake.  Nothing wrong with a bit of sag either. 

 

Kristen's issues have nothing to do with her rack.  Back in my peak days -- no pun intended -- from the 70s to the 80s -- breasts could be whatever they were -- High strung, low strung -- whatever. 

 

She looks fine to me -- if she prefers not to have them just under her neck, cleavage style, fine with me. 

 

 

I'm actually curious about where they're supposed to be? Directly under her clavicle? Right in line with her arm pits? She's got a long torso, after all.

[aradia22]

 

 

I guess I'm going to have to be that pill -- Nothing wrong with Kristin's breasts whether real or fake.  Nothing wrong with a bit of sag either.

Kristen's issues have nothing to do with her rack.  Back in my peak days -- no pun intended -- from the 70s to the 80s -- breasts could be whatever they were -- High strung, low strung -- whatever.

She looks fine to me -- if she prefers not to have them just under her neck, cleavage style, fine with me.

It doesn't make the clothes she wears look great though, which is kind of a problem... for a model.

[sasha206]

It doesn't make the clothes she wears look great though, which is kind of a problem... for a model.

 

Yeah -- that's what I think.  I mean, she supposedly makes her living off being a model.  And while she's got the height and she's slender, the boobs just look odd to me especially if they are bought and paid for.  Nothing wrong with sag but it just looks like she could use a better bra with lift action.

[zoeysmom]

I'm actually curious about where they're supposed to be? Directly under her clavicle? Right in line with her arm pits? She's got a long torso, after all.

Bust line when properly supported the central nipple should fall half way between the elbow and the armpit.  Kristen's just hang a little low especially for someone with breast implants.  So says the lady at my lingerie store.  Josh should have paid for the scar free lift.

[Higgins]

Fake ones sag too. I don't have a problem with her breasts and gravity, hell mine hang there too without a bra. I just think she would look much better with a good bra and looks are clearly very important to her

[Cheetosandchoc]

So they had nothing more interesting to talk about than Aviva? Asthma or you can marry gilinsky asthma who cares? None of them seem to like her anyway.

[bref]

 

I guess I'm going to have to be that pill -- Nothing wrong with Kristin's breasts whether real or fake.  Nothing wrong with a bit of sag either.

 

I normally don't comment on the appearance of the Howives--there's enough other stuff to snark on without looks-shaming--but Kristin pretty obviously paid someone to "improve" upon her breasts. And I feel that aesthetically, it was a failure. More a criticism of her plastic surgeon than her, really, and IMO of course.

[walnutqueen]

Bust line when properly supported the central nipple should fall half way between the elbow and the armpit.  Kristen's just hang a little low especially for someone with breast implants.  So says the lady at my lingerie store.

 

 

I never liked bras, and only wore them to work reluctantly when the nips no longer looked skyward.  My 20 year old male coworker had a better solution than the dreaded bra: duct tape the nips, cut off the ends of a Q-Tip & glue them up high - instant youth!  Gotta love those young mechanics, eh.  :-)

[Higgins]

4" heels are even more uncomfortable than bras and Kristen had no problem wearing them to, of all places, Montana. I think she thinks the braless look is sexy but she hasn't come to the realization that it no longer works for her and probably never did.

[Midnight Cheese]

I just watched this OnDemand - it took my cable provider extra days to put up the episode.  Bad sign?

 

I love watching these kinds of trips, and love that the NY housewives at least are interested (well, not Ramona, Aviva and probably Sonja) are interested in having active vacations and doing other things beyond boutique shopping and hardcore drinking.  I loved seeing the Berkshires, Saratoga and now Montana.  I would probably not do the ranching activities but fly-fishing, hiking, seeing big-sky country and having relaxed dinners sounds amazing. 

 

Sonja is a nasty, nasty hooker.    Again having her crotch pixellated - even if she's got some coverage, no one needs to have that wagged in their faces all of the time.  The fears about the horse: when Sonja was thrown, she was merrily calling Kelly lots of names and chatting up her superiority with horses, and got her ass dumped almost immediately and tried to act like Kelly was in the wrong for being concerned about Sonja getting kicked off.  She was very nasty and fake in that scene IMO, all due to her wounded pride.  Pride, fronting and lying seem to be real issues for Sonja.  I don't think she's a sweet-natured flibbertigibbet. 

 

The stuff about the facialist was truly repulsive.  Carole's blog for the last episode was blistering, calling Sonja out for making her 'dingbat face' while Satako gossiped instead of correcting her, and saying that if there were any truth to a Russ/Sonja hookup, it would be telling about Sonja's character and not of her own.  So in this episode, Sonja - perhaps because she's less hungover - finally acknowledges that the rumor is false.  But she again claims that she was powerless against Satako's gossip and didn't want to give it life in terms of the crap about LuAnn - even though Sonja and Sonja alone invited the facialist on-camera and, I have no doubt, fed her those rumors.  Sonja doesn't just stop there, though - she claims it's a part of the character of those who provide beauty services to spoiled slores like herself to gossip, however inaccurately and viciously, and that it's been the way of the world for 'hundreds of years!'   She is a trashy, chicken-shit pig.  She seriously deserves all of the 'bad luck' she is having, because it's not luck - it's the chickens of her bad character finally coming home to roost.

[Cheetosandchoc]

Even if it was not a big deal to Sonjia it obviously was to Luann. That is whe she could of said. " I really didn't realize this botherd you so much. I am sorry Luann for not saying anything. If this comes up again, I will".

Is that so hard to do?

[stinkogingko]

I think Luann's just had it with Sonja. Sonja's been a bitch to her for quite a while now. And Luann's been where Sonja is. She lost her husband to a younger woman. Her social standing took a big hit, not to mention her lifestyle and her budget. She's handled it without constant whining, fantasizing, or fraud. Luann strikes me as a pretty tough broad beneath her countess-y airs. I guess that's why I like her. 

 

I do wonder why we don't see the women socializing more in New York, and by socializing I mean with other non-Bravo-supplied people. Maybe the show really is persona non grata at the nicer places in the city. 

[diorella78]

From what I gathered about Luann, she was indeed missing from early filming due to her contract hold out....but, I do believe she was 'punished' afterwards (which worked in her favor, image-wise, lol) for drawing out her relationship with Jacques for the show....with no good material, and I suspect "word on the street" was they were loooong over before production finished. Luann rather dumbly, IMO, announced to the world she and Jacques "were over" a nanosecond after filming ended. 

 

I respectfully disagree Bravo encourages fake story lines. Rather, Bravo encourages fake storylines when they think it up/suggest it....but ain't no Ho'wife going to pull the shit on Bravo (Jill Zarin). I think Lu and Jacques were likely phoning it in (and they did have an amicable breakup) and Bravo chopped them to bits in editing. 

 

Also a tad odd, IMO, was Luann's explanation that they broke up because Jacques really wanted kids. That story line of hers wasn't going anywhere last season....so I believe it was likely one reason they broke up, and the reason they likely ended things well before filming even began, IMO. 

Edited June 22, 2014 by diorella78

[Duke2801]

I just can't with Kristen.  I admit I like gossip, but if someone tries to talk about someone I really like, I shut that shit down.  All you have to say is - I don't want to hear it.  Instead, Kristen courts the gossip with her patented shocked facial expression, then breaks world speed records as she beats a hasty path to tattle.

 

 

I won't argue with that, and in "real life" that is what I'd like to believe most sane people would do. But this isn't real life.  It's the Real Housewife-verse.  Everything is manipulated to get a good story. And these women need to earn their paycheck.  Gossiping is part of their raison d'etre.  

 

And, again, while I'm not defending Kristin on this particular issue, I think we'd be hard-pressed to find too many housewives (on any franchise) who don't "report back" to her friends what was said about them amongst other people. 

 

she doesn't have much of a figure, IMO....no real curves, but more "straight" lines through the mid drift.

 

 

That's how most models are shaped.  They (designers, etc) want the clothes to hang as if on a mannequin. 

[MatildaMoody]

 

I normally don't comment on the appearance of the Howives--there's enough other stuff to snark on without looks-shaming--but Kristin pretty obviously paid someone to "improve" upon her breasts. And I feel that aesthetically, it was a failure. More a criticism of her plastic surgeon than her, really, and IMO of course.

 

I wonder if the boob job was before or after her pregnancies? If she had it before, it would make sense that she has some sagging. It wouldn't explain why she hasn't been properly fitted for a bra, but it would definitely explain the sag as it would be pretty normal.

 

If she had them done after her pregnancies, I agree that her plastic surgeon made a misstep. 

[Higgins]

http://bp2.blogger.com/_jHFsYHRLBSM/Rh4HBLNOVGI/AAAAAAAAAro/JFQamSzjV9U/s1600-h/old-woman-beach7.jpg

 

It could be worse for Kristen.

Edited June 22, 2014 by psychnurse

[Cheetosandchoc]

Ok that picture was vile what on earth is that woman wearing on the bottom!

[zoeysmom]

I wonder if the boob job was before or after her pregnancies? If she had it before, it would make sense that she has some sagging. It wouldn't explain why she hasn't been properly fitted for a bra, but it would definitely explain the sag as it would be pretty normal.

 

If she had them done after her pregnancies, I agree that her plastic surgeon made a misstep. 

They were a birthday gift after her last child.  As sensitive as Kristen is my guess is she will be having a revision soon.

[jinjer]

I think all of the Victoria Secret pushup bras that we have been inundated with in the past 10 years have made Kristen's slight sag look way out of place.  Instead we are used to the totally unnatural look of the pushup which defies the laws of nature.  

 

I think Kristen did her job - she reported back like any good HW would do.  Why have the facialist say it if it doesn't get back to Luann and Carole on camera?

 

And why shouldn't Kristen be pissed at Aviva for getting out of the trip?  Labor Day weekend in the Hamptons is a fun time for those with lots of money and connections. If the others had to deal with leaving their families why should Aviva get out of it?  Of course Kristen should've realized that they all would enjoy the trip much more without her, but I get the feeling that none of these women were too keen on heading out to Montana that weekend.