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On 3/17/2019 at 6:26 AM, alegtostandon said:

Inconsistencies drive me nuts. Was watching the episode where James and Cassandra move into the 'Little House', making it the 'Tiny House'.  James wants to try Albert's razor but Albert informs him that it was a gift from Pa and James was to not ever touch the razor. 

Next day, the Ingalls-Cooper kids are kept after school so 'Sister' Laura can lecture them on making more of an effort helping out around the Tiny House.  Afterwards, Albert meets some snobby girl who demands to know why James is tagging along with Albert.  While Albert takes off with the snobby girl, James rushes home to play with Albert's razor.' ...in the barn...next to the cow. Of course James drops Alberts prized straight edge blade and the cow steps on it & the pearl handle breaks.

Next day, Albert is looking for his razor and insists that James knows where it. No luck finding it or getting a confession from James..

Next scene, the Ingalls/Cooper kids are at the mercantile trying on new shoes.  Ma and Pa cannot afford to pay for all of the shoes so Albert is asked to wait till next week to get his. 

While this is going on, James is staring at a case with 2 razors in it, one identical to Albert's.  Camera pans back to Pa & Albert then back to the razor case, minus the pearl handled razor. 

Back at the 'Tiny House', James is filling the wood bin by the fireplace and discovers Alberts razor!  Cheers & apologizes until Albert notices that this is not his razor, his pearl handle razor had a bad knick on the blade.  Pa checks and declares this one to be brand new.  James admits to breaking Alberts then stealing this from the mercantile to make it right. James was sent up to the loft and Albert was sent outside to cool down.  Pa went up to talk with James, who kept muttering "I didn't mean it, Pa.".  I have no idea what that means.

Pa is now outside talking with Albert, who demands that James be punished.  Albert then begins complaining about how rough its been on him since the 2 extra kids have been crammed into the "Tiny House" and wishes that they had never come live with them. Pa stops Albert and said "it's a good thing Laura and  Carrie never felt that way when you moved in with us.". James obviously over hears this conversation and runs away.

I guess that both Pa and Albert forgot about the episode shortly after Albert moved in and Pa bought him a calf to raise.  Laura was very resentful of Albert taking up all of Pa's time & even cried that Albert is now calling him 'Pa', he's Her Pa!  Albert over hears this conversation and runs away.

Yes these things drive me a little nuts at times until I remind myself it’s just a tv show.  Haha. There should have been an episode called “whatever happened to Rev Alden’s wife”. 

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I do hate inconsistencies. I also hate how there are so many cast people who only show up for one episode and then are never seen again. It would be nicer if they at least were in the background as opposed to presenting some issue for Laura or someone to resolved and disappearing forever.

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Yeah, like how a random kid shows up out of nowhere and we're supposed to think the kid is besties with one of the girls. And then we never see or heard of them again.

Or how a student we never saw before gets their problems solved. And then we never see them in the classroom scenes again.

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Yeah, continuity was never this shows strong suit, but to be fair, that seemed to be typical of many shows of the time. I can’t say if newer shows are any better, as I don’t watch modern television.

I like the show enough that I’m able to overlook it. I even liked the later seasons. I even liked (gasp) little house: a new beginning 😜 At least the few episodes that I have seen.

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I preferred Baby Grace to Carrie. I'd still support a special today in which one or both Turnbaughs show us what Grace is up to as an adult. Even though TV Mary went mline, hopefully TV Grace is spared the severe diabetes that killed Real Grace.

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22 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

Yeah, like how a random kid shows up out of nowhere and we're supposed to think the kid is besties with one of the girls. And then we never see or heard of them again.

Or how a student we never saw before gets their problems solved. And then we never see them in the classroom scenes again.

this exactly. I do think the way they handled it was typical of the time, but still can't help but wish they'd paid up to have some regular extras who get to be the play mate of the week with an issue for Laura to resolve before going back to the background as opposed to "never seen again."

On the Albert razor example noted above, it's especially odd. I assume writers have changed and the current writers didn't go back and watch old episodes--maybe they could not have easily done it given tech at the time. . . but this was M. Landon's show and he's involved in both episodes and not just an actor on the show. You'd think somebody would look at the script and say "what about that cow showing episode with Albert and Laura? how about we change the lines . . ." A little bit of rewording would have fixed the issue (remember how you felt when you first joined our family? and how Laura felt at first??)

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Watching the pilot again. Poor Jack. First that dog had to run along/behind the wagon in the snow. Then during that river crossing, Laura asked if Jack could ride in the wagon. Pa said he'd be alright. Poor Jack thought twice, then gamely jumped into the water. If the horses could barely make it across, I don't know why Pa wasn't more concerned about poor Jack!

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On ‎9‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 4:46 PM, Mikita said:

Watching the pilot again. Poor Jack. First that dog had to run along/behind the wagon in the snow. Then during that river crossing, Laura asked if Jack could ride in the wagon. Pa said he'd be alright. Poor Jack thought twice, then gamely jumped into the water. If the horses could barely make it across, I don't know why Pa wasn't more concerned about poor Jack!

does it explain why poor Jack can't ride in the wagon???

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54 minutes ago, RedbirdNelly said:

does it explain why poor Jack can't ride in the wagon???

No explanation at all. I guess Jack was a pet, but not a pet. They literally left the house in the big woods in winter, Jack's short legs were buried in the snow. They drove off shouting "come on Jack" and he ran behind the wagon. Every scene thereafter was of Jack running alongside the wagon or behind it. Then came the crossing the rushing river scene. I don't see any reason that Jack couldn't have ridden in the back of the wagon with the girls some of the time! Especially crossing that river.

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On 9/6/2019 at 1:25 PM, Mikita said:

No explanation at all. I guess Jack was a pet, but not a pet. They literally left the house in the big woods in winter, Jack's short legs were buried in the snow. They drove off shouting "come on Jack" and he ran behind the wagon. Every scene thereafter was of Jack running alongside the wagon or behind it. Then came the crossing the rushing river scene. I don't see any reason that Jack couldn't have ridden in the back of the wagon with the girls some of the time! Especially crossing that river.

Oh,  my heart always was so sad for poor Jack.   He was not a big dog,  that terrain probably tore up his poor paws.  Almost drowning in the river.   Being used as a guard dog against wolves and Indians.  Almost being shot by Pa because of that stupid raccoon Mary brought home to replace Laura's broken doll.   Laura yelling at him and telling him what a bad dog he was for getting stickers in his fur.   To this day,  I cannot watch that episode.  Ma yelling at  Laura to remove the stickers, saying 'Jack is your dog'.  Why are all the "pets" Laura's? Jack the Dog, Bunny the Pony, Jasper the Raccoon, even that goat. 

Fast forward then to Adult Laura.   She acted terrified of the bugs someone presented as a project in class.   She was against that orangutan staying at their house.   

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Here is the notice from INSP:

INSP Bids Farewell to the Ingalls Family.

Like you, we hate goodbyes, but sadly, we must say farewell to Little House on the Prairie on INSP.

Over the years, we loved living the adventures, heartbreaks, and sometimes, hilarious antics of the Ingalls family, their friends, and certain adversaries (Not mentioning any names, but you know who you are, curly-headed blonde girl!).

From Ma and Pa, Laura and Almanzo, to the incorrigible Nellie Olsen (There! We said it!) and her scheming mother, Harriet, parting is sad, but oh, the great times we had.

As we move towards the final episode airing on INSP on Friday, September 13th, let’s take a walk down memory lane with these blogs, quizzes, trivia and other Little House fun.

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Just saw the "Circus" episode.  My how things have changed!  Nel's sister the "Fat Lady" drew all kinds of attention, as she would have even in the 1970's.  Shockingly huge!

Today, she didn't even seem all that big to me.  She looked like every woman in Walmart.

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On 9/8/2019 at 12:40 PM, Cheezwiz said:

There was an episode with an organutan? Wow. Don't remember that one!

It was one of the later seasons when Laura was married & the niece,  Jenny, was  living with them.  Mr. Edwards was on his way home from Mankato & met an elderly man (if I remember correctly,  this guy had been in several episodes as different characters).   The man had a heart attack or something & asked Mr.  Edwards to take care of his little girl,  Blanche, who was asleep in the wagon.   Edwards thought it was a child & was surprised to find an orangutan.  Of course,  he took it back to Walnut Grove.  Jenny talked Laura into allowing Blanche to live with them, she took Blanche to school & of course,  Nellie Jr. created a situation & Mrs. Oleson called the authorities.   But,  Laura who as a kid, had 2 dogs,  a horse,  a raccoon,  a goat plus played in the creek with crabs,  loved going fishing,  she was afraid of Blanche.   After her nose job,  Laura turned into a real spoil sport!

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Recently re-watching reruns of Bonanza from the early to mid 60s and one of the best things about is the vibrant color photography. When I think of LHOTP using the same crew but it has that 70s film look with realistic lighting and colors. Fitting for gritty crime movies and dramas at the time but boring. Makes me wish the show had been made a decade earlier.

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I always thought Mary's storylines were most unsettling. Everything bad that could happen, happened to her. She had to wear glasses (when no other kids did), she burned the brn down, she had surgery and almost died, her 14 year old fiancee cheated on her, she went mline, she had a stillborn baby, her other baby was killed in a fire, she thought she was regaining her sight but didn't, and then her husband regained his sight and she was sure he'd leave her. It was always something, always so tragic. (I hadn't realized it was fabricated.)

And I felt similarly about Mr. Edwards character. Such a good man but lost his first family to illness. Then shot himself and suffered paralysis. Struggled always w/ alcoholism. Then lost Grace and the Sanderson kids. Why did they have to take his second family away?

I mean, Charles and Caroline suffered their share of tragedies but I never really grieved for them (as a child).

4 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

Recently re-watching reruns of Bonanza from the early to mid 60s and one of the best things about is the vibrant color photography. When I think of LHOTP using the same crew but it has that 70s film look with realistic lighting and colors. Fitting for gritty crime movies and dramas at the time but boring. Makes me wish the show had been made a decade earlier.

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And there's Michael, sans underwear...again.

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On 9/6/2019 at 3:28 PM, RedbirdNelly said:

does it explain why poor Jack can't ride in the wagon???

I just watched the pilot again last week. The way it looked was they were surprised by the river and had forgotten all about Jack. And when Laura asked about him, Charles thought it was too risky to get out and get him...tho Charles wound up getting out anyways and pulling the team to the other shore. 

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On 7/23/2019 at 10:19 AM, RedbirdNelly said:

I do hate inconsistencies. I also hate how there are so many cast people who only show up for one episode and then are never seen again. It would be nicer if they at least were in the background as opposed to presenting some issue for Laura or someone to resolved and disappearing forever.

A few good exceptions to this were Hans Dorfler, the town blacksmith, Mrs. Foster, who ran the post office after Grace Schneider married Mr. Edwards and the Kennedys, especially Christie and her father. Mrs. Whipple too. They were a step down from recurring secondary characters. But they were on enough that they weren't the one-and-done disappearing tertiary characters. Yeah, I agree, it would have been nice to have a few more of those.

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4 hours ago, Glendenning said:

Is Carrie wearing shorts under her dress in that above photograph?

I still wouldn't mind a Greenbush and Turnbaugh headed spin-off. Much better idea than Laura Nose Job on the Prairie.

I think they are her bloomers. 

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Well land sakes it's taken me forever to get back here.   Happy New Year ya'll!  I have questions that appear in no particular order.

S6 Ep 38? - Sweet Sixteen - How old is Mrs. Trembull supposed to be?  When she Brick-Heck anecdotally mumble whispers to herself she goes "Trembull, remember when you were 16..?"  When's that supposed to have been?   Same episode, Alamanzy comes to get Laura after her first week, tells her she looks grown and then in the carriage ride home, she hides her shoes.  Whyyyyyy?  It's been killing me forever!  She's been the same damn size since she was 12, he's seen em before.   That's probably my favorite episode of all time, but I've got absolutely no context.  Is a lady not supposed to display her ankles or...?

The next episode is called He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not - part 1.  Zalabaster is writing a proposal letter.   How much time has passed between the moment he realizes she's grown to this letter.   And if it's not ok for them to be seen at a church damn social unchaperoned, how are they courtin down to the lake alone??  

Why is the Sleepy Eye saloon opened at 7 in the morning?  

Nellie and Percival.  Um, so nobody kissed and dated back then huh?  You just told a dude you met last week you loved him (or not) and then ya'll held hands and he went to talk to your daddy? (or not?).  Why didn't they have a chuppah? 

A word about these HGTV accommodations.   Kitchen, living/dining room, ma/pa's room, upstairs loft, right?  front and back door and chimney.   Why did anybody ever go upstairs to have a conversation?  How did Carrie even happen in that house??  Charles was always hammering away at something so.......how come that house never got any bi..........got it.  Nevermind lol. 

Despite that all these young families move to Walnut Grove and then have young children, everybody still fits in that one lil ass schoolhouse on Sunday mornings huh?  mkay.   I shouldn'tve started rewatching, this didn't bother me at 11.

Ya'll ever seen a real life picture of Almanzo?  All I'm finna say is Laura, I hear you boo.   He was from the Mrs. Maisel's Dr. Benjamin tribe.

 

 

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On 9/29/2019 at 11:21 PM, Glendenning said:

One of my favorite "1970s in the 1800s" on this show is Nellie naming her daughter "Jennifer". Um, *Jennifer*? In the late 19th century? Um, no...

For me, it's when Mary got her very obvious 1970's winged haircut and tried to hide the short layers with a barrette. She even mentioned this in her bio, when she talked about how she "cleverly" hid her Farrah bangs with a barrette.

Bitch, nobody was fooled by that!

I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been another attempt to reboot this show after the t.v. movie in the mid-2000's with Cameron Bancroft as Pa that failed to get enough interest for a full-fledged show.

Although I guess with the issues people have with the way blacks and Natives are depicted might be a bigger reason why. Still you'd think with the success of When Calls the Heart that Hallmark would be all over a reboot for this. A Hallmark production would probably film in Canada which would be closer to the actual geographic location of Walnut Grove, anyway.

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13 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been another attempt to reboot this show after the t.v. movie in the mid-2000's with Cameron Bancroft as Pa that failed to get enough interest for a full-fledged show.

Also with the various Anne of Green Gables re-boots!  Bring back Laura!

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I always wondered why Laura wore her hair in braids for so long. Right up when she is trying to convince people she's old enough to be with Almonzo, she's still wearing the little girl braids. It seemed to me she should have flipped to a more mature hair style around then.

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On 1/9/2020 at 9:00 AM, ZaldamoWilder said:

S6 Ep 38? - Sweet Sixteen - How old is Mrs. Trembull supposed to be?  When she Brick-Heck anecdotally mumble whispers to herself she goes "Trembull, remember when you were 16..?"  When's that supposed to have been?   Same episode, Alamanzy comes to get Laura after her first week, tells her she looks grown and then in the carriage ride home, she hides her shoes.  Whyyyyyy?  It's been killing me forever!  She's been the same damn size since she was 12, he's seen em before.   That's probably my favorite episode of all time, but I've got absolutely no context.  Is a lady not supposed to display her ankles or...?

The next episode is called He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not - part 1.  Zalabaster is writing a proposal letter.   How much time has passed between the moment he realizes she's grown to this letter.   And if it's not ok for them to be seen at a church damn social unchaperoned, how are they courtin down to the lake alone??  

Why is the Sleepy Eye saloon opened at 7 in the morning?  

Nellie and Percival.  Um, so nobody kissed and dated back then huh?  You just told a dude you met last week you loved him (or not) and then ya'll held hands and he went to talk to your daddy? (or not?).  Why didn't they have a chuppah? 

A word about these HGTV accommodations.   Kitchen, living/dining room, ma/pa's room, upstairs loft, right?  front and back door and chimney.   Why did anybody ever go upstairs to have a conversation?  How did Carrie even happen in that house??  Charles was always hammering away at something so.......how come that house never got any bi..........got it.  Nevermind lol. 

Despite that all these young families move to Walnut Grove and then have young children, everybody still fits in that one lil ass schoolhouse on Sunday mornings huh?  mkay.   I shouldn'tve started rewatching, this didn't bother me at 11.

Ya'll ever seen a real life picture of Almanzo?  All I'm finna say is Laura, I hear you boo.   He was from the Mrs. Maisel's Dr. Benjamin tribe.

If I recall,  Laura had bought a pair of shoes with heels with her first paycheck,  I think that's what she was hiding.  

Again,  IIRC, Nellie & Percival didn't have a religious ceremony.  I thought it was odd, too, that she realized she loved him then off to the alter the next day!

My cousin & I were talking about the Little Women movies & how we have to remember these things are 'based' on the books. Told her all of the things in LHOTP TV show that were Michael Landon's imagination,  in fact,  if you watch Bonanza, a lot of similar storylines.  But,  told her Real Pa looked nothing like TV Pa! 

I always wondered why everyone else had a normal house with rooms except for the Ingalls!

On 1/10/2020 at 12:10 AM, methodwriter85 said:

I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been another attempt to reboot this show after the t.v. movie in the mid-2000's with Cameron Bancroft as Pa that failed to get enough interest for a full-fledged show.

Although I guess with the issues people have with the way blacks and Natives are depicted might be a bigger reason why. Still you'd think with the success of When Calls the Heart that Hallmark would be all over a reboot for this. A Hallmark production would probably film in Canada which would be closer to the actual geographic location of Walnut Grove, anyway.

I saw a movie recently where Richard Thomas (John-Boy, Waltons) played Pa, Rose was about 7-8 years old,  I think. 

9 hours ago, RedbirdNelly said:

I always wondered why Laura wore her hair in braids for so long. Right up when she is trying to convince people she's old enough to be with Almonzo, she's still wearing the little girl braids. It seemed to me she should have flipped to a more mature hair style around then.

I saw the very last episode the other day where the town is blown up.  What caught my attention was Laura was wearing the same dress Ma bought her when she got her teaching certificate, the red dress with flowers.   It dawned on me that any episode where  LIW has to dress up, she wears that dress.  Guess she wasn't allowed any new dress clothes. 

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I think ML keeping the Turnbaugh Twins in that high chair after they got way too old for it was a mistake. Guess ML was expressing some subconcious rage at his childhood again... (see also: Carrie the Pee Puddler)

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I saw an episode a couple of weeks ago that I had never seen before.  Laura & Pa went hunting,  she found a bottle with a message asking for a friend.  They went back a bit later & Laura found a baby hidden in a tree or something.  They took the baby home with them.  Laura wanted to pretend it was her baby,  even named her, Grace, which I thought was odd that Ma & Pa would name their last baby Grace. 

Rev Alden finally helped them track down the real mom. 

I really disliked Laura in this episode 

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There were several episodes where I disliked her as a kid but I think I disliked her in every episode when she was an 'adult'.  The season before she married Almonzo, she was a kid, playing a clown in the circus,  running around the school yard,  then suddenly,  she was an adult,  yelling at the kids in her classroom for acting exactly as she did the season before.  She was into fishing and stick ball the season before,  then suddenly a box with worms and bugs terrified her.  

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Yeah, Laura as an adult was quite harsh. In addition to yelling at students, she didn't act too fond of Almonzo when she worshipped him before they married.

I think it's because Melissa was still young and didn't know how to play mature so it came across as bitchy.

 I liked her scene during the Nellie reunion though. She had a bit of her old spark back.

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Melissa Gilbert was always obnoxious, though. A flash in the pan who was given Helen Keller and Anne Frank when she was woefully out of her depth. It's somewhat mystifying - to me - that MSA has gotten most of the opprobrium over the years when MG is far worse IMO. 

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11 hours ago, PaulBMA said:

A flash in the pan who was given Helen Keller and Anne Frank when she was woefully out of her depth.

Out of morbid curiosity, I really want to see her try to play Natalie Wood's part in the Splendor in the Grass remake she did. I cannot imagine the shrieking she did in the bathtub scene. LOL.

I kind of wonder what it would have been like if this show had kept going and we were continued being subjected to Shannen Doherty re-enacting Laura's storylines as Jenny Wilder.

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6 hours ago, PaulBMA said:

Don't worry, Shannen Doherty would have been let go soon enough, just as she was on 90210 and Charmed 😉

I never watched LHOTP in its original run,  started watching late 90's. It was just recently it clicked with me that 'Jenny' was 'Brenda' from 90210 and her dad on LHOTP was played by the chancellor from 90210!

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14 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

Out of morbid curiosity, I really want to see her try to play Natalie Wood's part in the Splendor in the Grass remake she did. I cannot imagine the shrieking she did in the bathtub scene. LOL.

I saw it back in the day. I was young can't remember anything about it except it was the usual Melissa Gilbert acting.

I also saw Melissa's version of The Miracle Worker and thought it was pretty good. Then I saw Patty Duke's movie and was completely blown away. I need to read Patty's book again because I remember she wrote interesting stories about both versions including a bit about Melissa.

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On 1/14/2020 at 6:15 PM, alegtostandon said:

If I recall,  Laura had bought a pair of shoes with heels with her first paycheck,  I think that's what she was hiding.  

Again,  IIRC, Nellie & Percival didn't have a religious ceremony.  I thought it was odd, too, that she realized she loved him then off to the alter the next day!

My cousin & I were talking about the Little Women movies & how we have to remember these things are 'based' on the books. Told her all of the things in LHOTP TV show that were Michael Landon's imagination,  in fact,  if you watch Bonanza, a lot of similar storylines.  But,  told her Real Pa looked nothing like TV Pa! 

I always wondered why everyone else had a normal house with rooms except for the Ingalls!

I saw a movie recently where Richard Thomas (John-Boy, Waltons) played Pa, Rose was about 7-8 years old,  I think. 

I saw the very last episode the other day where the town is blown up.  What caught my attention was Laura was wearing the same dress Ma bought her when she got her teaching certificate, the red dress with flowers.   It dawned on me that any episode where  LIW has to dress up, she wears that dress.  Guess she wasn't allowed any new dress clothes. 

I think the Olsens were just thrilled that someone loved Nellie enough to marry her! I have to confess, I loved the scene when it dawns on her that Percival "likes" her. I thought it was sweet to see the spoiled Nellie "cured" by love. Very Taming of the Shrew. 

Laura wearing the same dress was probably not uncommon in the day. Unless you were wealthy, you probably had only one or two "nice dresses".

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5 hours ago, alegtostandon said:

I never watched LHOTP in its original run,  started watching late 90's. It was just recently it clicked with me that 'Jenny' was 'Brenda' from 90210 and her dad on LHOTP was played by the chancellor from 90210!

Alison Arngrim joked in her book that Shannen Doherty was doing her damndest to impersonate Melissa Gilbert or something along those lines. She was surprisingly charitable to Nancy, because she thought that the actress was putting a different spin on the spoiled brat type rather than just straight up playing Nellie. Whereas Nellie thought she was entitled to everything because everyone loved her, Nancy thought she entitled to everything because everybody hated her. Which kind of made sense for an orphan.

 

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8 minutes ago, Snow Apple said:

I saw it back in the day. I was young can't remember anything about it except it was the usual Melissa Gilbert acting.

I also saw Melissa's version of The Miracle Worker and thought it was pretty good. Then I saw Patty Duke's movie and was completely blown away. I need to read Patty's book again because I remember she wrote interesting stories about both versions including a bit about Melissa.

I saw Splendor when it came out and don't really remember too much about it. I didn't think she was bad in it. 

If I remember correctly Patty was quite complimentary of Melissa. 

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