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Everyone knows Ensley does not have Down syndrome. Posts suggesting that she does will be removed and warnings issued. Posts such as these leave the impression that an arguably unflattering picture could somehow be construed as a child being disabled is considered ableist and is against the rules of the board.

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Okay, Super Woman. Dumping your kids on any and all willing baby sitters and staying upright six out of the 24 hours in a day does not a Super Heroine make. She can stop with this devoted mom noise, I know she is trying to milk her new earth mama image now that Kail took her place in the middle of the TM2 shitstorm but she isn't fooling us.

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17 minutes ago, HeySandyStrange said:

Okay, Super Woman. Dumping your kids on any and all willing baby sitters and staying upright six out of the 24 hours in a day does not a Super Heroine make. 

I read your post and I thought "is Janelle on the really good smack?  Must be to think she qualifies as a super woman.   Sharing is caring Janelle. ". 

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On 2/22/2017 at 0:07 PM, GreatKazu said:

CPS visited Jenelle and David after Nathan made a call claiming he didn't know Kaiser was being take out of the country. http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/jenelle-evans-cps-visit-again-bad-mom-claims/

As for the diaper photo, people tweeted and contacted the police, but it doesn't appear any visits by CPS was done.

Hmmm...OK...I had read something different on a different site. He should have been reported to CPS for posting that pic. They're all bad parents and the way Jenelle plops Kaiser in the laps of David's horrendous family members should be cause for concern.

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Or in the last episode when little Roll starts fussing and Jenelle exclaims, well he's just hungry, dude. Then they plunk this scalding hot pizza bigger than the Roll in front of him, Jenelle is too busy on her phone snarking about Nathan, so UBT cuts it into small pieces for him. Quite the multi-tasker she is! And UBT with a knife that close to a toddler gives me the heebie jeebies!

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This is gonna sound crazy, but I am rooting for Nathan. I think he's an asshole, but you can see that he and Kaiser have a great bond and enjoy each other's company. Nathan is the best shot that kid has. The DV is fucking awful and inexcusable, but it's not surprising. Lots of military guys leave the service with PTSD and TBI and it's never dealt with properly by the VA, local government, etc. Transitioning to civilian life is super difficult, moreso than a lot of people realize. I think Nathan self-medicates with alcohol and, due to the TBI, has poor impulse control and doesn't manage his emotions very well. That's all the more reason that he needs actual mental health intervention and to work with professionals to help him with the drinking and give him actual coping skills. Sometimes he comes across as so charming (like his flirting with Nessa on the dad's special). I can see why people like him and are drawn to him. He looks like a great person to be around when he isn't too drunk or in a rage. I sincerely hope he gets the help he needs for Kaiser's sake. Jenelle and UBT only care about him to stick it to Nathan and lord it over him. Watching that little guy just makes me really sad for him. Nobody that is around him seems to genuinely care about him other than his dad, whom he rarely gets to see becauae his mom and "step dad" are total trash bags and his dad makes stupid, senseless, and violent decisons. Get your shit together, Nathan! 

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HeySandyStrange

HeySandyStrange

43 minutes ago, TeenMomAngerMgmt said:

This is gonna sound crazy, but I am rooting for Nathan. I think he's an asshole, but you can see that he and Kaiser have a great bond and enjoy each other's company. Nathan is the best shot that kid has. The DV is fucking awful and inexcusable, but it's not surprising. Lots of military guys leave the service with PTSD and TBI and it's never dealt with properly by the VA, local government, etc. Transitioning to civilian life is super difficult, moreso than a lot of people realize. I think Nathan self-medicates with alcohol and, due to the TBI, has poor impulse control and doesn't manage his emotions very well

I have somewhat mixed feelings about this. My husband is a combat Vet, has PTSD and other assorted disorders, so I do understand Veterans with these kinds of issues and sympathize to an extant. And yes, alcohol is very, very, very bad for PTSD suffers and can really cause terrible episode. I went through a few of those with my husband for the short time he drank and they can be very scary. BUT, big difference, my husband never tried to hurt me or anyone else, even in his worst moments. To me Nathan's pattern of getting violent with women is very troubling and I don't think can be solely to blame for any combat related mental problems. That is usually a combination impulse and anger control, lack of respect for other people in general, possibly experiencing violence in his household growing up, among other things. As I said, the VA can suck but it is also up to the individual to put in the effort to work on his or her self. Nathan calls Jenelle trailer trash (accurate) even though he himself is pretty trashy and totally laughs off his recent assault charges. That speaks to me of a very arrogant, entitled, and delusional person. To me he is pretty scary at the end of the day, even if he is a semi-decent dad.

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TeenMomAngerMgmt

TeenMomAngerMgmt

55 minutes ago, HeySandyStrange said:

I have somewhat mixed feelings about this. My husband is a combat Vet, has PTSD and other assorted disorders, so I do understand Veterans with these kinds of issues and sympathize to an extant. And yes, alcohol is very, very, very bad for PTSD suffers and can really cause terrible episode. I went through a few of those with my husband for the short time he drank and they can be very scary. BUT, big difference, my husband never tried to hurt me or anyone else, even in his worst moments. To me Nathan's pattern of getting violent with women is very troubling and I don't think can be solely to blame for any combat related mental problems. That is usually a combination impulse and anger control, lack of respect for other people in general, possibly experiencing violence in his household growing up, among other things. As I said, the VA can suck but it is also up to the individual to put in the effort to work on his or her self. Nathan calls Jenelle trailer trash (accurate) even though he himself is pretty trashy and totally laughs off his recent assault charges. That speaks to me of a very arrogant, entitled, and delusional person. To me he is pretty scary at the end of the day, even if he is a semi-decent dad.

I'm glad your husband was able to get help and I hope he's better. I have a few close friends whose spouses are dealing with combat-related mental illnesses, and to say that it's tough is an understatement. :/ 

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GreatKazu

GreatKazu

10 hours ago, kicksave said:

Hmmm...OK...I had read something different on a different site. He should have been reported to CPS for posting that pic. They're all bad parents and the way Jenelle plops Kaiser in the laps of David's horrendous family members should be cause for concern.

People can be reported for all kinds of questionable behavior involving children. It doesn't mean it is something that CPS will find is worth following up on after an initial visit. Their hands are already full with plenty of abuse cases as it is. That is not to say what UBT did was not harmful in any way, he should have never done that, but it is not something CPS would put at the top of their priority list.

What exactly is abusive about having Kaiser be with UBTs family that CPS would find so horrendous and worthy of opening a case?

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ReadMeLattice

ReadMeLattice

2 hours ago, TeenMomAngerMgmt said:

This is gonna sound crazy, but I am rooting for Nathan. I think he's an asshole, but you can see that he and Kaiser have a great bond and enjoy each other's company. Nathan is the best shot that kid has. The DV is fucking awful and inexcusable, but it's not surprising. Lots of military guys leave the service with PTSD and TBI and it's never dealt with properly by the VA, local government, etc. Transitioning to civilian life is super difficult, moreso than a lot of people realize. I think Nathan self-medicates with alcohol and, due to the TBI, has poor impulse control and doesn't manage his emotions very well. That's all the more reason that he needs actual mental health intervention and to work with professionals to help him with the drinking and give him actual coping skills. Sometimes he comes across as so charming (like his flirting with Nessa on the dad's special). I can see why people like him and are drawn to him. He looks like a great person to be around when he isn't too drunk or in a rage. I sincerely hope he gets the help he needs for Kaiser's sake. Jenelle and UBT only care about him to stick it to Nathan and lord it over him. Watching that little guy just makes me really sad for him. Nobody that is around him seems to genuinely care about him other than his dad, whom he rarely gets to see becauae his mom and "step dad" are total trash bags and his dad makes stupid, senseless, and violent decisons. Get your shit together, Nathan! 

I know plenty of people with PTSD, plenty of alcoholics and plenty of combat vets..I can safely say I've never known anyone who broke into someone's home to choke them. TWICE.

I also don't think combat PTSD is "special." Are we also going to start giving people semi-free passes because they have been raped or otherwise traumatized and then become rampant abusers? One type of PTSD isn't different from another...Jenelle, Kailyn and Amber have all been abusive, though never quite as badly as Nathan has. They've all likely gone through highly traumatic things in childhood. I don't give them any sort of pass because they were traumatized. The way one was traumatized doesn't affect the impact on the victims.

I also don't think he's a great person to be around before this...He was a deadbeat dad to his daughter before he even had PTSD, I believe. That said, I don't seem to see Nathan the way that others do in general. He's a criminal and has always seemed 100% douche to me except for a couple nice moments with his son. 

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TeenMomAngerMgmt

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Just now, Lm2162 said:

I know plenty of people with PTSD, plenty of alcoholics and plenty of combat vets..I can safely say I've never known anyone who broke into someone's home to choke them. TWICE.

I also don't think combat PTSD is "special." Are we also going to start giving people semi-free passes because they have been raped or otherwise traumatized and then become rampant abusers? One type of PTSD isn't different from another...Jenelle, Kailyn and Amber have all been abusive, though never quite as badly as Nathan has. They've all likely gone through highly traumatic things in childhood. I don't give them any sort of pass because they were traumatized. The way one was traumatized doesn't affect the impact on the victims.

I also don't think he's a great person to be around before this...He was a deadbeat dad to his daughter before he even had PTSD, I believe. That said, I don't seem to see Nathan the way that others do in general. He's a criminal and has always seemed 100% douche to me except for a couple nice moments with his son. 

I'm certainly not trying to give Nathan a pass for his behavior. As I said, the DV is inexcusable. I think I'm just frustrated both Jenelle and Nathan are so selfish that they're gonna let Kaiser slip through the cracks. He's young enough now to where maybe some of the neglect can be addressed and possibly fixed. Nathan knows there's a problem with Jenelle and UBT. He probably suspects abuse in that home (like we all do). Why not get some mental health help, get your shit together, and prevent your son from being caught up in that cycle? Nathan is the only gilmmer of hope that poor kid has because Jenelle refuses to see that the shit she is doing is wrong. Of the two parental options, Nathan is the best. That's not  saying much. 

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CofCinci

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Disclosure: I'm a VA employee and a Veteran - so I've seen both sides of the issue.

The treatments available at the VA for TBI surpass anything available out in the community.  If Nathan wanted help, all he has to do is ask.  There is an evidence-based treatment called "Strength at Home" which is designed for TBI+PTSD+IPT(intimate partner violence) that would be perfect for him. 

There is no treatment available for David Eason. Dude scares me way more than Nathan. 

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mamadrama

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5 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

People can be reported for all kinds of questionable behavior involving children. It doesn't mean it is something that CPS will find is worth following up on after an initial visit. Their hands are already full with plenty of abuse cases as it is. That is not to say what UBT did was not harmful in any way, he should have never done that, but it is not something CPS would put at the top of their priority list.

You're totally right.

I think I have mentioned this before...I used to be a social worker (Crisis Intervention Specialist, we were on the frontlines) and even in my small county we got hundreds of "tips" a week. Our caseload was meant to be 20 families apiece; I often had more than 40.  Extreme neglect, physical abuse, ongoing documented emotional abuse, abandonment, any kind of sexual abuse, etc. would get priority. We also had to be trained on how to tell the difference between cultural differences (even within a family because sometimes one family's culture is different from another) and actual abuse. There are guidelines to follow. What Person A thinks is bad parenting and poor choices does not necessarily constitute abuse in Person B. 

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ReadMeLattice

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4 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Disclosure: I'm a VA employee and a Veteran - so I've seen both sides of the issue.

The treatments available at the VA for TBI surpass anything available out in the community.  If Nathan wanted help, all he has to do is ask.  There is an evidence-based treatment called "Strength at Home" which is designed for TBI+PTSD+IPT(intimate partner violence) that would be perfect for him. 

There is no treatment available for David Eason. Dude scares me way more than Nathan. 

There is help available, which makes Nathan even worse for refusing to take it. 

He shows no signs of remorse for anything...Guy doesn't want help. He wants to be praised. After his second arrest against Jessica he posted violent songs about wanting to beat women and said they made him think of his ex. He also posted a diatribe AGAINST her. He thinks nothing's wrong with him. My cousin, a combat vet, became aggressive due to PTSD, alcoholism and a TBI, though certainly never like Nathan (IMO you have to be violent beforehand to become that vicious). There was never a single point at which he didn't feel remorse or see that what he was doing was wrong even if at the time he felt he was out of control. I believe most vets would consider Nathan a disgrace, not have sympathy. 

He'll never get help IMO. That's what scares me. @TeenMomAngerMgmt I agree that they're both selfish, but I don't think Nathan thinks he's wrong any more than Jenelle does. He's just as much of a narcissist-- spends his time on social media bashing others instead of dealing with his own issues. I'd be positively shocked if that dude ever went to treatment. That would involve admitting a flaw. And his inability to do that has nothing to do with PTSD. 

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At first I was shocked that David's second baby mama would seemingly change her mind completely and allow her son to not only see but potentially live with, his abusive dad. How could a mother who seemed to care about her child (enough to keep David out of his life thus far) just throw him to the wolves? Surely she has seen Jenelle "in action" on this show... 

But then I thought about how Maryssa's mom clearly doesn't mind her daughter going off with David and Jenelle and she has also definitely had to have seen what Jenelle is all about. I wonder how often he saw Maryssa prior to being on the show?

Anyway, I shouldn't have been surprised that David's other children's mothers are the type of people who would sell their children's well-being out for money and a possible shot at being on tv. We all know Jenelle, his third baby mama, would have no problem doing it. These women were attracted to a creep like David as well. So I'm not surprised but it's still horrific to think about. 

I've been hesitant to join this band wagon because I research unsolved murders and it's just too real but...this will not end well. The last thing that will help is adding another child to this "household" of horror.

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ReadMeLattice

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5 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Yeah, except for the heroin he wasn't all that bad. 

What would you all choose in your lover: Intimate Partner Violence or Opioid Use Disorder?

I would definitely choose the heroin at this point, lol. 

No joke, his general disposition was actually somewhat calm. He was a loser and a druggie but he wasn't violent, which she's seemed to develop a fetish for. She seems like she *wants* to be physically abused. 

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toodywoody

toodywoody

1 hour ago, CofCinci said:

Here's the item that the gentleman from the "United Kingdom" wanted Jenelle to promote.

http://www.laboraide.com/t/1334-about-laboraide

Or... you can just chew icechips.

so it had nothing to do with Jace and she wanted to take him just to take him. This chick went to New York last year too for all her made up medical shit. She can afford to take him on a trip there when she isn't doing something else. She just wanted to be an asshole and unreasonable. Fucking Adam Jr.

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Rebecca

Rebecca

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1 hour ago, Lm2162 said:

Sometimes I miss Kieffer.

Agreed. Cuz it ain't a crime to be a felon, after all. His demeanor was calmer cuz high, high he was always high. THAT WAS MY CHANGE JAR, JENELLE! She seemed like the violent one in that scene and he picked her up and yeah kinda tossed her in the vehicle but it was because she was flipping out and hitting and kicking at him! Then she pressed charges against him, if I remember right. His whole energy in that scene led me to believe he wasn't likely to be the aggressor with her but who knows? He definitely doesn't have the sociopathic vibe the others have.

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She seems like she *wants* to be physically abused. 

I think she's just extremely combative and abusive herself and therefore with guys the same way it doesn't end well. I think? Gary? was a "normal person" before she got with him..didn't he have zero record and was in military? But then there was DV there too, in the end. She definitely seeks out chaos...

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GreatKazu

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Here's the item that the gentleman from the "United Kingdom" wanted Jenelle to promote.

 

She was hawking that Laboraide on her Instagram back in January. This was posted on January 25th. She gave birth on the 24th. She looks like she might still be pregnant in this photo. Her comment is, the product helped her through the delivery:

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ghoulina

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It really was. 

I think back then you could excuse some of it as her being young and getting into a bad situation and being in denial of what she needed to do. I'm not saying it's okay that she let her child be taken from her. But you thought - "Okay, she's sixteen. She's made some horrible choices. But losing her son is going to kick her in the pants and she's going to get her shit together and get Jace back and do alright in life." I mean....maybe. 

But after Kiefer (the first time), it just got worse and worse. Her drug use, her choice in mates. And the longer she went without getting Jace back, the less likely it was to happen. Which, good for Jace. He doesn't deserve that shit mother. But now she's having more and more kids. It's a nightmare. 

If she'd just run off somewhere, did her drugs, left Barb alone to raise the kid, it would have been alright. Not ideal. But better than the mess she is putting everyone through. She keeps up this charade that she's going to try and get her "son" back, which keeps Barb and Jace in a constant state of anxiety. And she brings more unwanted children into the world, with psychopaths for fathers and relies on a damn TV show to provide for them all. 

I hate to say something so callous, but it almost would have been better if she and Kiefer had OD'd that time when they were super wasted on heroin. 

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Rebecca

Rebecca

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38 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I'm not saying it's okay that she let her child be taken from her. 

She didn't have her child taken from her...she willingly signed him away. Regardless of how she tries to rewrite history she willingly signed the papers to give Barb custody. Because other things were way more important than taking care of her child. I don't think you were saying it that way but the whole "my mom stole my son" thing Jenelle says about Barb pisses me off beyond belief. The fact is on film, Jenelle.  

I agree with everything else in your post!

Edit: ah, ok, yeah from her warped perspective she just had no choice and he was taken.

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Rebecca

Rebecca

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He was Betty White's homeboy!!!

Seriously though, I was never worried Kieffer would abuse a kid. Now could I see him being a lazy ass and sticking the kids with tv/video games and cheetos for a meal to go get high or whatever? For sure. Not saying he'd be a good parent figure but I can't see him calling a baby a little bitch and being a threat the way David is. Definitely no saint but on the sliding, rocky slope of Jenelle's love life...

I hope I'm not going to be proven wrong in that belief...does anyone know what Kieffer has been up to?

EDIT: I just checked and he's in Pittsburgh..trying to chill (get high, high), apparently.

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Sorry it's huge.. someone also asked him if he's glad he dodged a bullet with Jenelle and he said he "just plain old don't give a fuck."

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EmeraldGirl

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Jenelle never ages. She got rid of her sperm eyebrows in favor of Amber style Joan Crawford, but otherwise she looks the same. I guess the key to looking good is to create as much chaos as possible. The others did that too, and they're showing the effects of it. This gal is drinking blood or something (and that's totally believable with her). 

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Rebecca

Rebecca

10 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Kieffer has been charged with hitting a female as well:

http://hollywoodlife.com/2011/08/05/teen-mom-2-jenelle-evans-kieffer-delp-assault/#!

Violence is never okay to me, however, all people involved are Jenelle's friends so they are all automatically shady to me. It's not DV, like all of Jenelle's other exes as well. It almost sounds like Kieffer and the guy were fighting and the female got involved, based on the guy being all bloody. I wonder if it was dismissed or what in the end. On the plus side, that was 5.5 years ago and I can't find any others so hopefully he doesn't hit people regularly. I expect all of Jenelle's associates to have charges.

I also don't remember hearing about this: http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/04/jenelle-evans-teen-mom-pregnant-kieffer-delp-n-word-baby-daddy-treats-badly/   

So, Jenelle is clearly racist if she jumps to using the n-word in that way. Ugh, that was one of the few horrible things I thought she wasn't. Interesting that she said Kieffer treated her better than Nathan, while she was WITH Nathan. Ok... I need to quit falling down this Kieffer rabbit hole. 

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GreatKazu

GreatKazu

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5 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

I also don't remember hearing about this: http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/04/jenelle-evans-teen-mom-pregnant-kieffer-delp-n-word-baby-daddy-treats-badly/   

So, Jenelle is clearly racist if she jumps to using the n-word in that way. Ugh, that was one of the few horrible things I thought she wasn't. Interesting that she said Kieffer treated her better than Nathan, while she was WITH Nathan. Ok... I need to quit falling down this Kieffer rabbit hole. 

Jenelle has used the "N" word towards Keiffer on a few occasions. I notice he also uses it in his rants to her. He is just as wrong.

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Violence is never okay to me, however, all people involved are Jenelle's friends so they are all automatically shady to me. It's not DV, like all of Jenelle's other exes as well. It almost sounds like Kieffer and the guy were fighting and the female got involved, based on the guy being all bloody. I wonder if it was dismissed or what in the end. On the plus side, that was 5.5 years ago and I can't find any others so hopefully he doesn't hit people regularly. I expect all of Jenelle's associates to have charges.

Kieffer was also charged with assaulting Jenelle in 2011: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/03/17/teen-mom-jenelle-evans-appears-court-boyfriends-assault-hearing.html

The guy has hit females. Just because there isn't anything on record lately doesn't mean he hasn't hit anyone. It only means no one has filed charges against him. Or, he might be so damn high he doesn't have the energy to hit anyone.

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Rebecca

Rebecca

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12 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Kieffer was also charged with assaulting Jenelle in 2011: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/03/17/teen-mom-jenelle-evans-appears-court-boyfriends-assault-hearing.html

The guy has hit females. Just because there isn't anything on record lately doesn't mean he hasn't hit anyone. It only means no one has filed charges against him. Or, he might be so damn high he doesn't have the energy to hit anyone.

I'm going with your last sentence. Remember the "fight" he and Tori's bf got into when Jenelle and Tori started fighting? Barely had the energy to move. I am hard pressed to fault him alone in any DV against Jenelle. We saw her attacking him while he just tried to stop it, as well. I believe she said he kicked her car.

Im not trying to say Kieffer is a good person, just the least menacing and creepy of Jenelle's numerous boyfriends.

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ReadMeLattice

ReadMeLattice

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45 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Kieffer has been charged with hitting a female as well:

http://hollywoodlife.com/2011/08/05/teen-mom-2-jenelle-evans-kieffer-delp-assault/#!

So confused. Sounds like a physical fight that was much worse for the dude, but in their state assaulting a guy doesn't land you with charges but a girl it does?

10 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

I'm going with your last sentence. Remember the "fight" he and Tori's bf got into when Jenelle and Tori started fighting? Barely had the energy to move. I am hard pressed to fault him alone in any DV against Jenelle. We saw her attacking him while he just tried to stop it, as well. I believe she said he kicked her car.

Im not trying to say Kieffer is a good person, just the least menacing and creepy of Jenelle's numerous boyfriends.

Yeah, at least in their relationship Jenelle was the physical aggressor. She straight up attacked him on camera and he just sort of shoved her off. That was a different time than the Tori fight. 

He was obviously gross but I wouldn't be scared for my life with him like with Nathan and David, and maybe Courtland. Unless I felt like I was going to die because he's given me too many edibles.

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SPLAIN

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Pick from the crop of Jenelle's boyfriends? Whoa. That is like choosing between Amber and Jenelle, two well-known abusers.

Frankly, when someone has engaged in any sort of abuse, it is a red flag. It shows they are not in control. Keefuh restrained himself from hitting back at Jenelle when she was aggressive towards him likely because the camera was there. The mere fact he has hit another woman during some sort of scuffle just screams bad news all around for me. Going by experience from my work with the people we see, the advice is if someone hits once, they will surely hit again. There is not a good one in Jenelle's circle of partners including herself.

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