Jesus God, Leah!!

[AdorkableWitch]

She might be playing tee ball. The catcher doesn't do much except stand there. 

[poopchute]

15 hours ago, AdorkableWitch said:

She might be playing tee ball. The catcher doesn't do much except stand there. 

She would need to run if she hits the ball.  If she's supposed to be using a wheelchair in place of walking I'm not sure I understand how running is okay.

[DoctorWhovian]

On 4/18/2017 at 7:51 AM, Birdee said:

I know it's splitting hairs and no amount of softball/t-ball/whateverball is good for her, but I don't think Ali is the catcher. She's in the catcher position in that picture, but there's no plate near her and it looks like she's in the outfield the way the signs are set up and the grass is growing. She probably just working on fielding balls. I'm only pointing this out because at their age, hopefully, not too many balls will make it to her so it's possible a lot of her playing time will just be spent standing around waiting for something to happen instead of crouching down at home plate for the entire game. So hopefully, it's the least-worst of a bad situation?

Sure, but at least in my experience playing as a catcher competitively, you warmed up the pitcher (as it warmed you up too). It's probably tee ball though.

[Christina87]

You guys should go look at the fb page. There are soooo many, "I'm sure Corey and Leah cleared it with the doctor before she played," "she's on a modified plan," "I agree with Corey that she's getting better," and my personal favorite, "Dr. Tsao has zero idea what Ali has, since no other child has had this before." Really?! How is following the doctor's orders such a horrible idea for so many people? I hope they don't have children with disabilities. 

These peolle are right up there with my all-time favorite post on the fb group, when Chelsea and Jenelle had their babies a day apart and someone said, "having your babies a day apart was God's way of showing you that you are both excellent mothers." Wtf?!

[Miss Chevious]

Leah's legion of FB fans are even more delusional than she is. And they're spiteful hateful little monsters. I foolishly made a comment on a picture Leah posted and got ripped up one side and down the other. Suffice it to say I realized you can't win a battle of wits with those unarmed cretins so never did it again.

[GreatKazu]

25 minutes ago, Miss Chevious said:

Leah's legion of FB fans are even more delusional than she is. And they're spiteful hateful little monsters. I foolishly made a comment on a picture Leah posted and got ripped up one side and down the other. Suffice it to say I realized you can't win a battle of wits with those unarmed cretins so never did it again.

I just read somewhere last week that TM is highly popular in the southern region such as Tennessee and Kentucky while it is least popular in New York.

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, Christina87 said:

You guys should go look at the fb page. There are soooo many, "I'm sure Corey and Leah cleared it with the doctor before she played," "she's on a modified plan," "I agree with Corey that she's getting better," and my personal favorite, "Dr. Tsao has zero idea what Ali has, since no other child has had this before." Really?! How is following the doctor's orders such a horrible idea for so many people? I hope they don't have children with disabilities. 

These peolle are right up there with my all-time favorite post on the fb group, when Chelsea and Jenelle had their babies a day apart and someone said, "having your babies a day apart was God's way of showing you that you are both excellent mothers." Wtf?!

Poor Dr. Tsao. He wasted all those years in medical school. Who knew you could become an expert on MD just by watching Teen Mom and looking at Instagram pictures? I'm also a little curious as to where people are getting the idea Ali's on a "modified plan"? Because every visit she makes to the children's hospital, they're told the same thing over and over: she needs to be in her wheelchair. 

[Christina87]

Exactly!!! I am all for people with disabilities being able to participate in anything on a modified plan, but there is absolutely no way Ali can do softball! You can't modify "she has to stay in power wheelchair 100% of the time," unless she wants to be be scorekeeper or something, which sounds terrible, but that's how it is! Something like choir can be done on a modified plan...sitting instead of standing...but sports cannot! Now, if Leah were to find Ali a wheelchair sport to play, that would be awesome, but we know she would never do that. 

[CofCinci]

If they had a Caucasian specialist, I wonder if they would respect his/her MD treatment plan?

[Brooklynista]

28 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

If they had a Caucasian specialist, I wonder if they would respect his/her MD treatment plan?

I think its more opposition to some know it all telling them something they dont wanna hear. Go 'head wit all that fancy book learnin.

[AdorkableWitch]

Ali could play buddy softball. They pair the kids up with other kids who are not disabled to do the parts the disabled kid can't. She could hit the ball and have a runner who runs the bases for her. 

My godson does this. 

[Birdee]

Except that would take planning, forethought, and admission that maybe Ali isn't 100% and perhaps the doctor is right and she needs a wheelchair. So basically, I think we can count this out. It would be nice, but seems like too much for Leah and the gang.

[BXD]

21 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

I just read somewhere last week that TM is highly popular in the southern region such as Tennessee and Kentucky while it is least popular in New York.

I can attest to this as I am a closeted TM viewer in NYC. That's why I come here-for validation I'm not the only one invested in these train wrecks. :)

Has anyone had the nerve to tweet at Leah and see if she is still in school? I really wanna know!!

Edited April 20, 2017 by BXD

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, BXD said:

I can attest to this as I am a closeted TM viewer in NYC. That's why I come here-for validation I'm not the only one invested in these train wrecks. :)

 

My moment of shame came several years ago when I was back home visiting family in Boston. I was laid up on my sister's couch watching TM2 when my 16 year-old niece walked into the room and said "you're seriously watching this trash?". I've learned to conceal my addiction ever since....

[teapot]

9 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

My moment of shame came several years ago when I was back home visiting family in Boston. I was laid up on my sister's couch watching TM2 when my 16 year-old niece walked into the room and said "you're seriously watching this trash?". I've learned to conceal my addiction ever since....

you can come hang out w/me

signed

Also Closeted TM Viewer in Boston

[polandspring]

18 hours ago, CofCinci said:

If they had a Caucasian specialist, I wonder if they would respect his/her MD treatment plan?

I kind of doubt it.  I don't think Leah is racist, just gormless.

1 hour ago, BXD said:

I can attest to this as I am a closeted TM viewer in NYC. That's why I come here-for validation I'm not the only one invested in these train wrecks. :)

Has anyone had the nerve to tweet at Leah and see if she is still in school? I really wanna know!!

That's so interesting, because I feel like most of the people who talk about it here and on reddit are from the east coat.  I bet it has to do with watching in earnest vs. hatewatching. 

[GreatKazu]

I mentioned the TM show at a local fiesta for a Catholic school fundraiser. A bunch of us were sitting around during a break, enjoying free food and drink, talking and chatting it up and someone happened to mention something and it triggered me to say in response "don't be like those girls on Teen Mom." Suddenly, a 21  year old guy, a 17 year old girl, and man who must have been around 35 years of age, and a 50ish woman all react at the same time and let it be known they knew exactly what I was talking about. I was with my people! 

[leighroda]

On 4/19/2017 at 11:30 AM, Christina87 said:

You guys should go look at the fb page. There are soooo many, "I'm sure Corey and Leah cleared it with the doctor before she played," "she's on a modified plan," "I agree with Corey that she's getting better," and my personal favorite, "Dr. Tsao has zero idea what Ali has, since no other child has had this before." Really?! How is following the doctor's orders such a horrible idea for so many people? I hope they don't have children with disabilities. 

These peolle are right up there with my all-time favorite post on the fb group, when Chelsea and Jenelle had their babies a day apart and someone said, "having your babies a day apart was God's way of showing you that you are both excellent mothers." Wtf?!

Ugh... yeah Dr.Tsao has ZERO clue, even if Ali is the only one with her specific disorder, his years and years of studying and researching and treating similar related disorders has no insight to treating a muscular degenitive disease... Leah and random viewer on their couch are DEFINITLY the expert in this case.

[monicageller]

TM and TM2 don't air here in Australia (unless you have pay tv and even then we get seasons years later), and we can't access the US MTV site, so I'm all alone down here! Well, I would be without you guys. You keep me sane!

[AmyFarrahFowler]

10 hours ago, polandspring said:

I kind of doubt it.  I don't think Leah is racist, just gormless.

That's so interesting, because I feel like most of the people who talk about it here and on reddit are from the east coat.  I bet it has to do with watching in earnest vs. hatewatching. 

Faithful Seattle viewer here! The only ones who know that I watch are my husband and daughter (who was a teen mom herself 10 years ago). The rest of my world knows nothing!

[GreatKazu]

21 minutes ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

Faithful Seattle viewer here! The only ones who know that I watch are my husband and daughter (who was a teen mom herself 10 years ago). The rest of my world knows nothing!

There is this one particular person who knows I am a faithful watcher. She tries to watch the show when she can, but isn't always able to. She will ask me what is new with the cast because I told her about this page and how our great members here keep us updated with the current events in the cast members' lives. When I told her about Kail being pregnant, she was shocked beyond belief. I remember when I told her about Leah and deercam gate. lol  

[Christina87]

Haha my boyfriend is the only one who really knows I watch, and he makes fun of me so much for it!!! But then, he will always change the channel to MTV when it's on, so he's a good sport... ?

[FairyDusted]

Checking in from Ohio. My sister will watch but my Bestie absolutely will not. We watch everything to dissect except this show. Soooo Y'all get me here!

[Jennifersdc]

I can do one better. The biggest TM2 fan in the house is my 40-yr old husband! We started watching from the beginning about six months ago on Hulu. When Hulu pulled it - he PAID to get the missing seasons on Amazon Prime. We're now watching last season On Demand. I'm current he's not.

I've also been threatened with divorce if I tell anybody about his TM2 obsession...

[DoctorWhovian]

On 4/19/2017 at 3:19 PM, Brooklynista said:

I think its more opposition to some know it all telling them something they dont wanna hear. Go 'head wit all that fancy book learnin.

Agree. It's not about race, it's this weird rejection of education and educated people that seems to be scarily popular now. I almost immediately tune anyone out who uses the "but I'm/they're a mom so they know what's best for their kids." Sure, when it comes to things like what blanket your toddler has to have or what food to hide medicine in. But people become experts for a reason, and just because they may get something wrong sometimes doesn't change their general expertise. 

[Christina87]

3 hours ago, DoctorWhovian said:

Agree. It's not about race, it's this weird rejection of education and educated people that seems to be scarily popular now. I almost immediately tune anyone out who uses the "but I'm/they're a mom so they know what's best for their kids." Sure, when it comes to things like what blanket your toddler has to have or what food to hide medicine in. But people become experts for a reason, and just because they may get something wrong sometimes doesn't change their general expertise. 

Agreed! I've seen this attitude a lot with Jeremy. Remember when he said no to going to a therapist, and made his Ph.D. sound negative? I get the feeling that with Leah and her ilk, the educated person is automatically starting at a lower level of respect than than average person, not higher. 

Maybe this attitude is why Leah can't seem to finish school, and none of them have a degree. They may not really want to be one of "those" people!

[polandspring]

4 hours ago, DoctorWhovian said:

Agree. It's not about race, it's this weird rejection of education and educated people that seems to be scarily popular now. I almost immediately tune anyone out who uses the "but I'm/they're a mom so they know what's best for their kids." Sure, when it comes to things like what blanket your toddler has to have or what food to hide medicine in. But people become experts for a reason, and just because they may get something wrong sometimes doesn't change their general expertise. 

I wonder if it's more intimidation than disrespect.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Sadly, this anti-intelligentsia attitude & belief that one's ignorance is just as good as another's education isn't limited to these families. It's prevalent in so many American subcultures. Sigh.

[Mkay]

[CofCinci]

This is dangerously bordering medical neglect. 

http://www.legis.state.wv.us/wvcode/ChapterEntire.cfm?chap=61&art=8D

[Adiba]

While I can somewhat understand the rationale of letting Ali experience life to the fullest ("Steel Magnolias" comes to mind), how would her parents feel if they realized later that they contibuted to early respiratory or heart problems because they allowed Ali to do too much?

Apparently, people with this condition are adults and live into their 50s, but Ali has child- onset form-- what if they shortening her life span by not preserving her muscles? I would err on the side of caution if I were her mother--I couldn't live with myself if I thought that I had contributed to her health worsening.

[Jennifersdc]

On 4/17/2017 at 3:14 PM, MargeGunderson said:

What ever happened to the therapy horse plans - or did I dream that up?

There are so many things that Leah & co. could get Ali involved with that aren't physically demanding. I bet it would never occur to any of them to look at academic or arts activities she could do.

Could you imagine Leah taking care of a horse? She'd probably feed the poor thing from the local gas station convenience store...squeeze cheese for everybody!

I actually used to volunteer for Riding for the Handicapped. Not with my mare though - she was a total bitch. It's a great program. It really helps because the kids really want to interact with the horses so badly they make much more of an effort than with a standard therapy program.

In her defense though, there may not be a barn that offers the program nearby. She can barely get poor Ali to regular therapy as it is...

[Mkay]

She had the horse she bought for a hot minute (ok maybe a month or two she talked about it).  It was on the land she and Jeremy had their trailer on, next to his parents house.  Never heard about the horse again once they divorced.  

[DoctorWhovian]

18 hours ago, polandspring said:

I wonder if it's more intimidation than disrespect.

I think it's definitely possible. Unfortunately, the result is the same regardless of why. But I do think people need to be more willing to accept expertise from experts, and recognize where they don't know things and someone else does, and that it is ok for that to happen. And the more non-experts that fake perfection, the more other people see it and feel personally inadequate, so they fake it too, then we end up in a situation where all these people who have some issue they're self conscious about or feel that they are lacking in, lash out at the people who don't feel the same or don't fit their mold and the worse the cognitive dissonance grows.

[Jennifersdc]

6 hours ago, Mkay said:

She had the horse she bought for a hot minute (ok maybe a month or two she talked about it).  It was on the land she and Jeremy had their trailer on, next to his parents house.  Never heard about the horse again once they divorced.  

Excuse my language - but oh shit she actually had a horse? You can have a horse on perpetual turn out (meaning no actual stall - hence no daily mucking) with a decent lean-too for shelter. Generally for retired horses and those more considered family pets. Probably worked out for the poor horse since grass is much better then squeeze cheese...

But then aforementioned horse is filthy and wired up from no exercise anytime she deigns to go visit/ride. Not to mention she has to hire the right therapist to come by...

[GreatKazu]

17 hours ago, Adiba said:

While I can somewhat understand the rationale of letting Ali experience life to the fullest ("Steel Magnolias" comes to mind), how would her parents feel if they realized later that they contibuted to early respiratory or heart problems because they allowed Ali to do too much?

Apparently, people with this condition are adults and live into their 50s, but Ali has child- onset form-- what if they shortening her life span by not preserving her muscles? I would err on the side of caution if I were her mother--I couldn't live with myself if I thought that I had contributed to her health worsening.

This. I so agree.

Leah said more than once she wants Ali to experience as much as possible. I think Leah feels Ali's outlook is grim and rather than have her sit by as the world goes by, she wants her child to enjoy the world for however long she is in it. 

Edited April 24, 2017 by GreatKazu

[CofCinci]

15 hours ago, Adiba said:

While I can somewhat understand the rationale of letting Ali experience life to the fullest ("Steel Magnolias" comes to mind), how would her parents feel if they realized later that they contibuted to early respiratory or heart problems because they allowed Ali to do too much?

Apparently, people with this condition are adults and live into their 50s, but Ali has child- onset form-- what if they shortening her life span by not preserving her muscles? I would err on the side of caution if I were her mother--I couldn't live with myself if I thought that I had contributed to her health worsening.

MD is best described as: You have a mason jar of 100 marbles. Each time you overexert your muscles, you lose a marble.  Most people's jars will replenish but if you have MD you jar doesn't refill. 100 marbles is all you get. Do you want to use these marbles now or later?  

Because the Simms are uncomfortable having a disabled child, they are robbing this kid of her quality of life in the future. 

[Tatum]

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Ali heads to first base! ⚾️? Aliannah works so hard and tries to do more than everyone that loves her expects her to attempt. She is an amazing little girl in so many ways! #alistrong

This reminds me of an In Touch or Us Weekly cover from several years ago with a beaming Leah on the cover with the tagline- Ali beats the odds! or something like that. I can't remember the whole article, but the gist was that Ali had maintained the use of her legs longer than the specialist had predicted she would, so therefore perhaps her prognosis was not so dire. Something to that effect. Leah and Corey and their extended families are adamant that Ali's continued ability to walk and run is clear evidence that the doctors are wrong in their insistence that Ali be confined to a wheelchair.

 

Which is so dumb- the doctors never said she physically couldn't run- he said she shouldn't be. The Messer/Sims clan are intentionally misinterpreting the doctor's orders.

 

In a way I sort of understand. I think Corey and Leah see it like this- eventually Ali's mobility will be limited to a wheelchair. She can go longer at half power, or she can go full throttle for a short period of time, and have no time left for half power. So, she's 90% now for the next five years, then wheelchair bound for the rest of her life. Or, she could be 50% for the next ten years, and then be wheelchair bound for the rest of her life. Is that extra 5 years at 50% worth giving up her 90% for 5 years? I mean, I'm making up numbers here, but if this was accurate, I could see some people (intelligent, educated people, that is) thinking 5 years at 90% beats 10 years at 50%.

 

This of course assumes the only affected outcome is the use of her legs. If overexerting herself now leads to further complications, besides just depleted mobility, then I withdraw my above comment.

[NannyBails]

1 hour ago, Tatum said:

In a way I sort of understand. I think Corey and Leah see it like this- eventually Ali's mobility will be limited to a wheelchair. She can go longer at half power, or she can go full throttle for a short period of time, and have no time left for half power. So, she's 90% now for the next five years, then wheelchair bound for the rest of her life. Or, she could be 50% for the next ten years, and then be wheelchair bound for the rest of her life. Is that extra 5 years at 50% worth giving up her 90% for 5 years? I mean, I'm making up numbers here, but if this was accurate, I could see some people (intelligent, educated people, that is) thinking 5 years at 90% beats 10 years at 50%.

I also wonder if a small part of the problem is that Leah isn't very good at saying no or setting limits for her kids.  I'm vaguely remembering a pool scene where Ali was told to wait to get into the pool, but she went in anyways.  It was like Ali whined about wanting to do something and Leah caved into her.  I could totally see Ali complaining about wanting to run, or cheer, or whatever, and Leah just saying okay rather than being the parent and saying no and then helping Ali discover other things to do that aren't so physically taxing.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

1 hour ago, NannyBails said:

I also wonder if a small part of the problem is that Leah isn't very good at saying no or setting limits for her kids.  I'm vaguely remembering a pool scene where Ali was told to wait to get into the pool, but she went in anyways.  It was like Ali whined about wanting to do something and Leah caved into her.  I could totally see Ali complaining about wanting to run, or cheer, or whatever, and Leah just saying okay rather than being the parent and saying no and then helping Ali discover other things to do that aren't so physically taxing.

I think there's living proof that Leah isn't very good at saying no. Their names are Addie, Ali and Gracie. If she had said "no" to Corey and Jeremy she might be childless and married to someone else now. ;) 

[leighroda]

Everyone break out your finest paper plates, Mountain Dew and a fresh batch of cheetos on the floor... it's leah dawns bday! No, I'm not a teen mom creeper Who keeps track of their bdays, she is the only one whose bday I know because it also happens to be mine. I'm like 10 yrs older with no kids and no ex husbands, so I guess I did something really right, or really wrong in her book.

[Mkay]

6 minutes ago, leighroda said:

Everyone break out your finest paper plates, Mountain Dew and a fresh batch of cheetos on the floor... it's leah dawns bday! No, I'm not a teen mom creeper Who keeps track of their bdays, she is the only one whose bday I know because it also happens to be mine. I'm like 10 yrs older with no kids and no ex husbands, so I guess I did something really right, or really wrong in her book.

Happy Birthday!!! 

 

I'll get the frosting out. 

[AmyFarrahFowler]

Happy Birthday! As a special birthday dinner I'll serve cold cans of chunky soup dumped in your favorite bowl...

[GreatKazu]

I will bring pots and pans for everyone to sit on. 

 

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Which is so dumb- the doctors never said she physically couldn't run- he said she shouldn't be. The Messer/Sims clan are intentionally misinterpreting the doctor's orders.

I think they are deliberately ignoring his orders. Much like how Leah ignores the fact she is married and goes out cheating. 

The fact both sides of the family are not doing what they should be doing tells me it has to be ingrained in their head that being in a wheelchair is not something they want for this child. At least if it was only Leah doing this, Cory would be fighting this in court to prove Ali's needs are not being met. It is hypocritical though, when Leah wasn't taking Ali to her therapy appointments, he made sure to bring that up to her, on camera, and made it the priority of his custody case. To them, therapy gives Ali the strength to do these activities while Dr. Tsao's orders keep her bound to a wheelchair. 

[leighroda]

19 minutes ago, Mkay said:

Happy Birthday!!! 

 

I'll get the frosting out. 

I can't believe I forgot the icing!! If you aren't in a sugar coma by the time the episode of teen mom of comes on tonight you did it wrong.

10 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

I will bring pots and pans for everyone to sit on. 

 

I think they are deliberately ignoring his orders. Much like how Leah ignores the fact she is married and goes out cheating. 

The fact both sides of the family are not doing what they should be doing tells me it has to be ingrained in their head that being in a wheelchair is not something they want for this child. At least if it was only Leah doing this, Cory would be fighting this in court to prove Ali's needs are not being met. It is hypocritical though, when Leah wasn't taking Ali to her therapy appointments, he made sure to bring that up to her, on camera, and made it the priority of his custody case. To them, therapy gives Ali the strength to do these activities while Dr. Tsao's orders keep her bound to a wheelchair. 

Yeah, that's true, and she was quick to throw Miranda under the bus when she made Alli carry her back pack, which means both sides know what they should/shouldn't do so they can point out when the other doesn't follow the rules, but selective memory for themselves when it's convenient.

[GreatKazu]

6 minutes ago, leighroda said:

I can't believe I forgot the icing!! If you aren't in a sugar coma by the time the episode of teen mom of comes on tonight you did it wrong.

Yeah, that's true, and she was quick to throw Miranda under the bus when she made Alli carry her back pack, which means both sides know what they should/shouldn't do so they can point out when the other doesn't follow the rules, but selective memory for themselves when it's convenient.

Ugh that shit about Miranda still grinds my gears when I think back to it. Anything to make Miranda look like a bad step-mother. Carrying a backpack is the least of Ali's problems. 

[CofCinci]

It's so funny that Leah made a stink about having to carry the backpack when the kid slid into home this weekend.

[ChristmasJones]

On 4/23/2017 at 0:02 PM, DoctorWhovian said:

 But I do think people need to be more willing to accept expertise from experts, and recognize where they don't know things and someone else does, and that it is ok for that to happen. And the more non-experts that fake perfection, the more other people see it and feel personally inadequate, so they fake it too, then we end up in a situation where all these people who have some issue they're self conscious about or feel that they are lacking in, lash out at the people who don't feel the same or don't fit their mold and the worse the cognitive dissonance grows.

NPR interviewed a cognitive scientist about this very issue recently (he wrote a book about it) -- the interview is 10 minutes if you are interested in listening to it :  http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/04/18/steven-slowman-knowledge-illusion

[NannyBails]

17 hours ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

I think there's living proof that Leah isn't very good at saying no. Their names are Addie, Ali and Gracie. If she had said "no" to Corey and Jeremy she might be childless and married to someone else now. ;) 

She also has trouble saying no to Robbie...

[GreatKazu]

On ‎4‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 6:05 AM, NannyBails said:

She also has trouble saying no to Robbie...

And drugs.