S04.E09: Wiedersehen

[SunnyBeBe]

What did I miss about Lalo?  I found him incredibly obnoxious and annoying.  Is he the guy who met with Guss in his office?  

Edited October 2, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[Wouldofshouldof]

10 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

I don't think Werner is necessarily a dead man,  Mike sympathizes with him.

 

 

...Nothing to see here.

Edited October 2, 2018 by Wouldofshouldof

[meeeechiganman]

That is one SICK looking Javelin AMX that Nacho owns!!

[Bannon]

I did chuckle when Lalo came back to Nacho, and said, huge grin on his face, "Same ol' Hector! He just wants to kill everyone!", like he was describing someone with a golf obsession.

[Tighthead]

17 minutes ago, Bannon said:

I did chuckle when Lalo came back to Nacho, and said, huge grin on his face, "Same ol' Hector! He just wants to kill everyone!", like he was describing someone with a golf obsession.

 

That would make the fire story the equivalent of “remember the day we played Cypress Point and you birdied the last three holes? Best day ever!”

[MrWhyt]

11 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

I don't think Werner is necessarily a dead man,  Mike sympathizes with him.  The project still needs o be completed, so Werner is still needed.  Complications with any project can happen, I don't think Werner leaving a "how to" list in order to complete the project is necessarily enough to complete the project

Werner might make it to the end of construction, depending on how much of a fight he puts up when mike and his guys get their hands on him, but he's not leaving New Mexico. Gus is a " fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" type of guy, Werner's a dead man and the other germans will probably join him. If you're going to kill one to keep a secret, you might as well kill the rest of them.

[JudyObscure]

11 hours ago, MissBluxom said:

 

P.S. I must apologize in that I have no idea how the two words "compellent" "compulsion" go together or what that phrase means.  I just remember a great episode from The Andy Griffith show where Barney was complaining about a "compelment compulsion" or something that sounded a lot like that.

If any of you would care to help me make sense of this, you would be most welcome. After all, should we all be forced to endure personal compellent compulsions?

 

Barney: "That's what you call a compelsion.  Lot of folks have 'em...some folks have to warsh their hands all the time. That's a hand-warshing compelsion." I learned many things from Barney, such as don't go in a cave without a hat, bats will lay eggs in your hair and you'll go crazy.

Just for you Miss B: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlr7CHNpW-s

[Eulipian 5k]

2 hours ago, MissBluxom said:

2 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

 

You know, the first time I read that post, it really did hurt  -  kind of like a knife to the heart.

I can certainly understand why Jimmy would feel so enraged.  Thanks  -  I guess   :)

Heh. You realize  he’s giving you the Monty Python/Discipline Board verdict, right?  Insincere! 12 more months of PPD for you! All in jest here.

[MisterBluxom]

33 minutes ago, Eulipian 5k said:

Heh. You realize  he’s giving you the Monty Python/Discipline Board verdict, right?  Insincere! 12 more months of PPD for you! All in jest here.

I didn't realize that. But I just woke up from a deep nap and I had a very strange dream. I wonder if it could possibly come true.

I dreamed  ......

 

that Werner's disappearance was somehow an organized attempt to extort some extra funds from Gus. If it was, it would be doomed to fail of course. I have no idea who all else was in on this conspiracy. But I'm guessing they must have figured that Fring would approach this like a business man instead of a psycho killer and he would decide it would be less expensive to pay them off and have them return to work and finish the job for an extra pay day. But I suppose that if anyone will try to do that, it means they just don't know Gus very well (you know, Gus - the Psycho Killer), heh heh!

If this turns out to be true, it will not mean that my subconscious mind is some kind of idiot savant. It will just mean that my conscious mind is closer to the idiot end of the spectrum.

It couldn't possibly be true. Could it?

I'm going to put this dream into a spoiler box - just in case.

Edited October 3, 2018 by MissBluxom

[Trees]

Thanks for all the great posts about this episode, which has me so intrigued!  Random thoughts and replies...

* Re: The Dating Game, my guess is that they were able to show it without paying huge royalties! I remember in any Insider Podcast from BB, they were talking about why somebody watched really old movies: no royalties.

* Re: the reinstatement hearing - I totally missed that they wanted him to talk about Chuck.  I still don't know why they did.  Why was it important for Jimmy to talk about Chuck then?

* Re; Kim's scam - I think she's going to get caught.  How is she going to be able to explain how, miraculously, their plans for a larger place got approved?

* Re: Kim- I think she's an unhappy soul.  She rarely smiles.  Her relationship with Jimmy is so flat.  They're not honest with each other and they have very little spark.  Kim seems like a very unhappy person who is walking through life playing a role.  

* Re: that scene with the bell, I agree with the poster who said it was just too long, and feeling like, "Hurry up! This is the 2nd to last episode!"

* Re: Werner, I don't think Mike will kill him.  That would be too expected.  I'm anticipating a big shocker when/if they find him next week.

* Intriguing about the HHM being "back" and the idea that they got mixed up with money-laundering or Fring or the Salamancas.

* Does anybody else thing Tyrus does not fit in and is way too arrogant?

* Any guesses on why the wiring needed fixing before the demolition?  A mistake or a set-up? I was so on edge as Werner checked it all, I was sure he was going to get blown up.

I can't believe there is only one more episode. How do they get away with calling 10 shows "A Season"!  There are so many loose ends to tie up, I know they're going to leave us with major cliff-hangers.  And a year later when the next 10-episode "Season" starts, we will have forgotten it all.

[Quilt Fairy]

20 hours ago, MissBluxom said:

Did I see the words on the big rock correctly? It looked like someone had written "Auf Wiedersehen" on it.

Not sure if this has already been answered, but yes, they wrote "Wiedersehen" on it.  That one rock was the reason they needed an additional demolition, so it was the equivalent of "Bye-bye, you MFer!"

[shapeshifter]

5 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

5 hours ago, MissBluxom said:

That is a very astute analysis and conclusion. I'm not trying to be a smartass here. I am honestly being sincere. Yikes! It's getting difficult to try to be believable when I say that I'm being sincere. But I am.

In my eyes, your post lacks sincerity.  You can try again in a year, if you want. :)

Hah!

[WayneK]

22 hours ago, dwmarch said:

But that wouldn't work because the crew wouldn't light the explosives (which had a fairly involved process to activate) off when there was a man down there.

I handled dynamite one summer in construction work.  This situation came up regularly.  You would never, ever check the wiring with the power source connected.  An accidental explosion this way would be impossible under normal circumstances.

[Dev F]

1 hour ago, Trees said:

* Re: The Dating Game, my guess is that they were able to show it without paying huge royalties! I remember in any Insider Podcast from BB, they were talking about why somebody watched really old movies: no royalties.

I think it's just a thing that would've been on the air at the time and likely to be screening in an old folks' home. The sets and fashions seem to match this version of the series from the mid-to-late 1990s, which would certainly still have been in syndication in 2004.

[PeterPirate]

I wonder if we're going to get some clarity about the meaning of "November 12" next week.  Or if there will be more contact with the vacuum repair guy.  

[ShadowFacts]

8 hours ago, Trees said:

* Re: the reinstatement hearing - I totally missed that they wanted him to talk about Chuck.  I still don't know why they did.  Why was it important for Jimmy to talk about Chuck then?

Chuck is the elephant in the room.  Jimmy breaking in to his place is the whole reason he was suspended.  It wouldn't have mattered if it was someone else, it would make sense to at least mention the person, but Chuck was a giant in the legal community.  And he died in a fire.  It was odd that Jimmy would not express *something* about his brother whose life tragically ended shortly after Jimmy's bar hearing.  However I don't think his failure to mention Chuck is the only reason the panel denied him. 

[Bryce Lynch]

36 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

I figure Chuck got to the review board before the trial even happened to make sure they knew never to reinstate him. That, or Howard did. 

As for Werner, I found it strange they took time to detail the call to his wife. It made me think he was talking in “code” to his wife or whoever was on the other end as part of his escape plan. 

Chuck died at least 10 months before Jimmy's reinstatement hearing.  Plus, the panel that heard the case originally gave Jimmy only a 1 year suspension despite Chuck insisting he be permanently disbarred.

It is possible Howard exerted influence, but last we saw he felt responsible for Chuck's death and had apologized to Kim for his treatment of Jimmy after Chuck's death.

I took it that Jimmy's refusal to mention Chuck made him seem insincere to the board, and was probably the final nail in his coffin, as a lot of his answers seemed a bit phony, like quoting Scalia and pretending to be a case law addict and saying he would never do anything wrong again.

[shapeshifter]

30 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

As for Werner, I found it strange they took time to detail the call to his wife. It made me think he was talking in “code” to his wife or whoever was on the other end as part of his escape plan. 

Yeah. I think they had 4 mentions of Werner's wife's "book club" —or maybe it just echoed in my mind 4 times. Anyway, "book club" stood out to me—maybe because in English, "to book" is slang for leaving in a hurry without much—if any—notice.

 

 

37 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

I figure Chuck got to the review board before the trial even happened to make sure they knew never to reinstate him. That, or Howard did

Interesting. Would that possibly be a violation of some sort?

 

Perhaps the highlight of the episode is when Jimmy and Kim were talking about his becoming a practicing lawyer again, he mentions how all his cell phone customers were potential legal clients, but that they knew him as "Saul Goodman." 

[ShadowFacts]

12 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

I took it that Jimmy's refusal to mention Chuck made him seem insincere to the board, and was probably the final nail in his coffin, as a lot of his answers seemed a bit phony, like quoting Scalia and pretending to be a case law addict and saying he would never do anything wrong again.

Exactly.  I was cringing when Jimmy was sucking up via Scalia.  It would have made more sense for him to be passionate about having helped the Sandpiper clients but the elders got no mention.  That would have rung sincere. 

[nodorothyparker]

Jimmy's mentioning Scalia in answer to the question that he'd kept up with evolving case law over the past year wasn't terrible.  It was the going on and on about it and what a legal junky he was that felt like a put on.  And yes, he would have been better off talking about Sandpiper or his elder law work, which both Kim and Chuck himself along the way acknowledged was important and filled a need.

Jimmy really wasn't getting that the panel didn't just want to hear that he'd "never do anything like that again."  That could cover anything.  His entire defense in his disbarment hearing was built on him having been driven to this by trying to deal with a mentally ill brother.  One who also happened to be a giant in the local legal community and died horribly in the time since that hearing.  He didn't even have to mean it, but mentioning what a unique set of circumstances led him to that particular act and how he'd had plenty of time over the past year to reflect on that and who Chuck was would have probably gone a long way.

[benteen]

13 minutes ago, ShadowFacts said:

Exactly.  I was cringing when Jimmy was sucking up via Scalia.  It would have made more sense for him to be passionate about having helped the Sandpiper clients but the elders got no mention.  That would have rung sincere. 

The reason I think he didn't mention the Sandpiper clients (which would have been a no-brainer otherwise) was because of how badly he sabotaged his relationship with them.  The board obviously didn't hear about it but after what he did to his clients, he's never going to be able to practice elder law again.

[Clanstarling]

2 hours ago, PoshSprinkles said:

As for Werner, I found it strange they took time to detail the call to his wife. It made me think he was talking in “code” to his wife or whoever was on the other end as part of his escape plan. 

I wondered that as well.

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

Yeah. I think they had 4 mentions of Werner's wife's "book club" —or maybe it just echoed in my mind 4 times. Anyway, "book club" stood out to me—maybe because in English, "to book" is slang for leaving in a hurry without much—if any—notice.

Perhaps the highlight of the episode is when Jimmy and Kim were talking about his becoming a practicing lawyer again, he mentions how all his cell phone customers were potential legal clients, but that they knew him as "Saul Goodman." 

So far as I know, the German for book doesn't have that connotation (and book club is buchgemeinschaft, just trips off the tongue, doesn't it?). But I'd have to hear the actual German and not the translation - which can vary a lot in my experience. Especially when it comes to slang.

The Saul Goodman comment was the highlight for me too.

[ShadowFacts]

4 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

I wondered that as well.

So far as I know, the German for book doesn't have that connotation (and book club is buchgemeinschaft, just trips off the tongue, doesn't it?). But I'd have to hear the actual German and not the translation - which can vary a lot in my experience. Especially when it comes to slang.

The Saul Goodman comment was the highlight for me too.

Now that's really interesting. 

[TedisnotTed2]

Something terrible has to happen to Kim and that is what sends Jimmy into his self-destructive spiral. There's no way he could go full Saul Goodman and ever look Kim in the eye again. But he has to get rid of that car, it's soul crushing (to me). And I feel bad for Mike. Perhaps his having to track down and murder his almost friend is what sends him over the edge of losing his soul (and murdering people left, right and center). One thing I find a bit odd (I'm sure this has been discussed to death so apologies) but when we meet Mike in BB, it's because Saul sends him to WW for a black bag job. Why is he taking those kinds of jobs if he is making insane money with Gus?

[MisterBluxom]

13 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

Barney: "That's what you call a compelsion.  Lot of folks have 'em...some folks have to warsh their hands all the time. That's a hand-warshing compelsion." I learned many things from Barney, such as don't go in a cave without a hat, bats will lay eggs in your hair and you'll go crazy.

Just for you Miss B: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlr7CHNpW-s

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

AMAZING how that single word "hello" can be as much of a turn on in the 40s as a full-blown porno scene can be today.

Thank you ever so much Judy. I am forever in your debt.

:) :) :)

[ShadowFacts]

21 minutes ago, TedisnotTed2 said:

Something terrible has to happen to Kim and that is what sends Jimmy into his self-destructive spiral. There's no way he could go full Saul Goodman and ever look Kim in the eye again. But he has to get rid of that car, it's soul crushing (to me). And I feel bad for Mike. Perhaps his having to track down and murder his almost friend is what sends him over the edge of losing his soul (and murdering people left, right and center). One thing I find a bit odd (I'm sure this has been discussed to death so apologies) but when we meet Mike in BB, it's because Saul sends him to WW for a black bag job. Why is he taking those kinds of jobs if he is making insane money with Gus?

Yeah, that car screams clown car to me every time.  I don't remember your point about Mike being a fixer for Saul having been discussed much.  I wonder about it, too.  Why do that sort of thing like go advise Jessie after Jane dies when you are working for the likes of Gus.  Maybe he just enjoys his work so much. 

[Bryce Lynch]

5 minutes ago, ShadowFacts said:

Yeah, that car screams clown car to me every time.  I don't remember your point about Mike being a fixer for Saul having been discussed much.  I wonder about it, too.  Why do that sort of thing like go advise Jessie after Jane dies when you are working for the likes of Gus.  Maybe he just enjoys his work so much. 

Mike could have owed Saul a favor.  It is also possible that Saul asked him and Mike consulted with Fring, who told him to do it.  Fring might have been concerned that if Jesse was arrested on drug or homicide charges, he might implicate Walt, and Fring wanted Walt to cook for him, and there was also some danger that Walt might flip on Fring, if arrested.  

Fring might also have told Mike to do jobs for Saul, to help Mike keep up on what is going on in ABQ criminal circles.  

[ShadowFacts]

5 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Fring might also have told Mike to do jobs for Saul, to help Mike keep up on what is going on in ABQ criminal circles.  

Yes, could be, anything's possible, but it would mean Saul and Gus were in closer contact than I remember being suggested in BrBa.  But I do not remember details like lots of you do so I'm likely off.  Maybe Mike became like the vet in his all-encompassing knowledge of the local underworld. 

[Bryce Lynch]

29 minutes ago, ShadowFacts said:

Yes, could be, anything's possible, but it would mean Saul and Gus were in closer contact than I remember being suggested in BrBa.  But I do not remember details like lots of you do so I'm likely off.  Maybe Mike became like the vet in his all-encompassing knowledge of the local underworld. 

I don't think Fring and Saul had any interaction.  Fring was very aware of Mike bugging Walt' s house, for Saul.  When Mike told him about the Cousins showing up at Walt's house, and drawing the scythe outside, Gus asks him, "Does the lawyer know?  Mike tells him doesn't and Gus tells him to keep it that way.  

[PeterPirate]

The scene where Jimmy went to El Pollos Hermanos to surveil the place was the closest those two ever met.  Gus knew who Jimmy was, but Jimmy had no clue about Gus.  In fact I'm not sure if Jimmy/Saul ever learned about the connection between Mike and Gus, or Walt and Gus.  Considering how much business Mike and Walt did with both Gus and Saul, it is amazing those two never met.  

I suppose one can make the argument in Saul's favor that Gus never considered him sufficiently evil to make him a business partner.    

Edited October 3, 2018 by PeterPirate

[PrincessPurrsALot]

3 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

Jimmy's mentioning Scalia in answer to the question that he'd kept up with evolving case law over the past year wasn't terrible.  It was the going on and on about it and what a legal junky he was that felt like a put on.  And yes, he would have been better off talking about Sandpiper or his elder law work, which both Kim and Chuck himself along the way acknowledged was important and filled a need.

Jimmy really wasn't getting that the panel didn't just want to hear that he'd "never do anything like that again."  That could cover anything.  His entire defense in his disbarment hearing was built on him having been driven to this by trying to deal with a mentally ill brother.  One who also happened to be a giant in the local legal community and died horribly in the time since that hearing.  He didn't even have to mean it, but mentioning what a unique set of circumstances led him to that particular act and how he'd had plenty of time over the past year to reflect on that and who Chuck was would have probably gone a long way.

This was my read on it too.  Jimmy took everything too far in what he said.  He was relying on Slippin' Jimmy charm.  At the end of the scene, he realized that he may have blown it.  "Go lands crabs!" does not hold the weight of "This is what I did wrong. I acknowledge it was wrong.  This led to that decision.  In hindsight I would have done this other thing instead."  He seemed insincere because he lacked contrition and acknowledgment of the actual issues.

[Bryce Lynch]

22 minutes ago, PeterPirate said:

The scene where Jimmy went to El Pollos Hermanos to surveil the place was the closest those two ever met.  Gus knew who Jimmy was, but Jimmy had no clue about Gus.  In fact I'm not sure if Jimmy/Saul ever learned about the connection between Mike and Gus, or Walt and Gus.  Considering how much business Mike and Walt did with both Gus and Saul, it is amazing those two never met.  

I suppose one can make the argument in Saul's favor that Gus never considered him sufficiently evil to make him a business partner.    

Saul definitely knew about Walt and Gus and Mike and Gus.  

[PeterPirate]

17 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Saul definitely knew about Walt and Gus and Mike and Gus.  

Yes, but did Saul ever learn Gus' identity, or did he just know Gus as "The guy Mike knows"?   

[Clanstarling]

3 hours ago, ShadowFacts said:

Now that's really interesting. 

I like what you did there.

[Bryce Lynch]

Just now, PeterPirate said:

Yes, but did Saul ever learn Gus' identity, or did he just know Gus as "The guy Mike knows"?   

Saul knew it was Fring.  He asked Jesse to put in a good word for him with Fring, in "End Times".   

[PeterPirate]

26 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Saul knew it was Fring.  He asked Jesse to put in a good word for him with Fring, in "End Times".   

OK, thanks.  Now I have to go figure out when Saul got that information.  Those little details play havoc with my brain sometimes.  

Edited October 3, 2018 by PeterPirate

[Eulipian 5k]

17 minutes ago, PeterPirate said:

Yes, but did Saul ever learn Gus' identity, or did he just know Gus as "The guy Mike knows"?   

Didn't Walt go back to Saul about why Gus didn't agree to working with Walt and Jessie after the first meeting at LPH? That's before Walt staked out LPH to finally meet, sans Jessie, and plead his case with Fring. I also recall Saul going off about the bag man lawyer Mike used to stuff "his guys" safety deposit boxes; so Saul was not Mike's only lawyer.

 

2 hours ago, MissBluxom said:

Just for you Miss B: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlr7CHNpW-s

Bogey had the Rye in his pocket! He's ready  for the SCOTUS!

[Colorado David]

OMG the closing music is completely from 'Dr Katz, Professional Therapist' tv series. love it

[Bryce Lynch]

1 hour ago, Eulipian 5k said:

Didn't Walt go back to Saul about why Gus didn't agree to working with Walt and Jessie after the first meeting at LPH? That's before Walt staked out LPH to finally meet, sans Jessie, and plead his case with Fring. I also recall Saul going off about the bag man lawyer Mike used to stuff "his guys" safety deposit boxes; so Saul was not Mike's only lawyer.

 

Bogey had the Rye in his pocket! He's ready  for the SCOTUS!

Walt did go back to Saul and Saul told him that the guy was "timid, like a bunny rabbit" and must have not liked how Walt and Jesse looked and left.  Saul knew the meeting was at LPH, but he gave Walt the impression that he didn't know the identity of the person Walt was supposed to meet.  Whether he really didn't know Fring's name, or he was just not revealing that he knew, to Walt, is uncertain.  If Saul did know, there would probably be Hell to pay from Fring and Mike, if he told Walt.  

Walt went back to LPH and sat there a long time and then figured out/guessed that it was Fring he was supposed to meet and asked Fring if he could speak with him.  

I tend to think Saul probably did know, or at least strongly suspect it was Fring.  He had done the snooping at LPH for Mike in BCS and bumped into Fring at the garbage can.   It would be a pretty big coincidence for Mike's mysterious kingpin to want to meet there, if it wasn't Fring.

Edited October 3, 2018 by Bryce Lynch

[gallimaufry]

I think the whole "full measure" philosophy was just for Walt.  I've never felt it reflects Mike's character at all.  That said, I don't think he has much choice now.  Werner is too unreliable to be trusted to be discrete.  On the other hand, the fact that he wants to reunite with his wife makes it difficult as she presumably can be tracked.  With Lalo sniffing around Gus's empire, I can see fun times ahead.

I enjoyed the bell scene.  Yes, it's a shameless bit of continuity but it still worked as a scene, especially for Lalo's maniacal laugh when he starts ringing the bell.  I hate Hector but I do love Mark Margolis and I feel sad that we'll never see him in his true, terrible form again.

No Howard again.  I like that the show doesn't force appearances unnecessarily but it's striking that he's appeared in barely a handful of scenes this season.  Granted, those scenes have almost all been stand-outs.  I hope and expect to see more of him just as Nacho has had seasons where he's been quiet.

Gus is fun although at the moment his plot feels very much in a holding pattern.  I loved Nacho's expression to him when he brought Lalo to Los Pollos.

So Kim and Jimmy... hmm.  I love the structure of the scene and the acting and Jimmy not getting his law licence back was indeed a shock.  I loved that it came down to Chuck as though Chuck, from beyond the grave, was still keeping Jimmy down.  And I loved that in his ranting Jimmy referenced all the putdowns he'd internalised - "the kind of lawyer guilty people hire" and "Slipping Jimmy".  I didn't personally feel "you're always down" as being as big a slap-down as some people seem to think.  It's blunt but fairly inarguable.

The first Kim scene though was hard to watch.  For one, it seems like it's going to be incredibly difficult to justify to anyone how it happened and the fiction seems difficult to maintain.  There will be blowback and I don't see how Kim's sleight of hand even remotely covers herself or the firm for that.  Even if Kevin loves Kim for it, Paige and Rich are going to be cautious and that could be a much bigger issue down the line when the firm starts getting bad press.  I feel like this was as big an act of self-sabotage as hanging up on Paige but I still can't see why.  The diner scene was intriguing but there's still so much about Kim's psychology that seems very hard to unpick.

Sad it's the finale already next week but it looks like being a good one.  I really hope we see more Chuck in the finale.  The one flashback was good but his absence has been so profound this season.

[Ohwell]

If Chuck is in the finale, I'm really going to be pissed.   He can stay dead dead.

[Bryce Lynch]

25 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

If Chuck is in the finale, I'm really going to be pissed.   He can stay dead dead.

Spoiler Alert.  In the Finale, we will find out that Chuck didn't actually die.   His badly burned body was taken to IGH who saved his life and transformed him into a snarky, emotionally unstable, alcoholic, super hero...just like they did with Jane on BB.  

Edited October 3, 2018 by Bryce Lynch

[Ailianna]

But at least he will have his own show!

[Eulipian 5k]

4 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Saul knew the meeting was at LPH, but he gave Walt the impression that he didn't know the identity of the person Walt was supposed to meet.  Whether he really didn't know Fring's name, or he was just not revealing that he knew, to Walt, is uncertain.  If Saul did know, there would probably be Hell to pay from Fring and Mike, if he told Walt.  

That meeting/job interview with Walt was handled the way Werner's and the computer guy's interviews were handled. Fring stayed in the shadows til he was sure this is the one.

Also interesting that Werner's laser was his way out, while the laser was to be computer guy's way in.

[Bryce Lynch]

25 minutes ago, Eulipian 5k said:

That meeting/job interview with Walt was handled the way Werner's and the computer guy's interviews were handled. Fring stayed in the shadows til he was sure this is the one.

Also interesting that Werner's laser was his way out, while the laser was to be computer guy's way in.

Walt gave laser pointers to Badger and Skinny Pete to terrorize Gretchen and Elliot.  Another Werner/Walter similarity.

 

I always thought it was funny that Walt made them give them back.  He probably, correctly assumed that those 2 idiots would cause a lot of trouble with them.

[SnarkyTart]

On ‎10‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 5:55 AM, Bryce Lynch said:

I'm not so sure Werner will be killed, either.  I could definitely see it happening, but I could also see Mike covering for him, or letting him escape and either lying to Gus about killing him or pissing Gus off.   The writers seem to be playing with us more this season than in any other season of BB or BCS and letting our imaginations run wild, then subverting our expectations.   

I suspect we may get a callback to BCS, where Jesse was held as a slave/prisoner and forced to cook.  Gus needs Werner to finish the lab, and so it must be. 

[SnarkyTart]

On ‎10‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 6:37 AM, Bryce Lynch said:

It was for Mesa Verde.  Kevin wanted to change the plans for the Lubbock branch to make it the same as the Tucumcari branch.  In the last episode, Paige said it would be too much trouble and take to long and a disinterested Kim backed her up, probably because she didn't want to be bothered.  Giselle Saint Claire realized it could be a fun scam, after the Huell letter writing operation.  

What I can't predict is how Mesa Verde/Kevin will react when they suddenly learn that the plans have been altered, and with no delay or bureaucratic process involved.  What did Kim think Mesa Verde would do?

[Eulipian 5k]

1 hour ago, Bryce Lynch said:

I always thought it was funny that Walt made them give them back.  He probably, correctly assumed that those 2 idiots would cause a lot of trouble with them.

Maybe bring down another ABQ flight?

On the podcast they said the laser "trick" would only work on an older camera, one made before personal lasers were even sold.

[PeterPirate]

I am still pondering the question about how and when Saul came to know Gus' identity as Walt and Jesse's boss.  In Caballo Sin Nombre, when the Salamanca twins are waiting for Walt in his home, Mike calls Vince who then talks to Gus.  Then the twins get a call from Gus.  That ends the episode.  It looks to me they made an effort to make an extra-dramatic reveal that Gus and Mike knew each other. 

 

1 hour ago, SnarkyTart said:

I suspect we may get a callback to BCS, where Jesse was held as a slave/prisoner and forced to cook.  Gus needs Werner to finish the lab, and so it must be. 

I suppose it's wishful thinking on my part to want to see Mrs. Werner brought to the US.  

 

21 minutes ago, SnarkyTart said:

What I can't predict is how Mesa Verde/Kevin will react when they suddenly learn that the plans have been altered, and with no delay or bureaucratic process involved.  What did Kim think Mesa Verde would do?

There's also the increased cost of construction to consider.  Kevin may have been musing about making the building bigger, but I doubt he would have the power to unilaterally approve the expansion even he wanted to.   

 

2 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Spoiler Altert.  In the Finale, we will find out that Chuck didn't actually die.   His badly burned body was taken to IGH who saved his life and transformed him into a snarky, emotionally unstable, alcoholic, super hero...just like they did with Jane on BB.  

Drat.  

[SnarkyTart]

On ‎10‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 9:03 AM, Bannon said:

The scene was completely credible to me, but it also illuminated, for me, one of the consistent failings of human beings, especially in bureaucratic settings. Nearly all of us just succumb to confirmation bias, and convince ourselves that we can, with a degree of confidence, discern what the motivations are of the people we regularly encounter in our daily lives.

Now, when we experience a work of fiction, we see those fictional characters in a particularly intimate and encompassing way, which can give us insight. Even then, we are frequently left in the dark as to what motivates a character. Now think of the people you see in your daily life, especially  those we only experience briefly or in a limited fashion. What chance do we really have to discern, with accuracy, what is motivating that person ? Yet nearly all of us will pretend that we can confidently state why another person engaged in a behavior, or said what they did. Our brains just aren't wired to handle uncertainty with comfort, so we tell ourselves that we are certain, or nearly so.

While another person's motivations can never be truly known, their behavior must still be consistent, whether or not we fully understand it.  I think most of the BCS audience could predict that Jimmy wouldn't cite Chuck as his inspiration for pursuing law, either in his hearing before the review board or anywhere else. We could predict it because it's consistent with his character.   But we certainly do often disagree, sometimes vociferously, about why Jimmy wouldn't invoke Chuck's name. That's why this scene was credible to me.  It was consistent with Jimmy's character, even if it leads to disagreements about what motivated it, or whether or not he's conscious of his own motivations.