Farrah

[Elizabeth9]

I like how she was all on board having her six year old listen to NM until this shit happens...now it's inappropriate. Apparently Sophia wanted to get butt implants like Nicki. (And Fareah). Good job, she's six and she wants plastic surgery

[ghoulina]

To me, Farrah loses because she got her 6-year-old involved in a Twitter battle. Plain and simple. 

Edited January 14, 2016 by ghoulina

[charmed1]

I seem to remember from Farrah's 16 & Pregnant episode, that everyone on her cheerleading squad hated her and walked out on her while she was lecturing them about something. I don't think she had any friends other than those two guys who would film with her sometimes. I think she's probably been insufferable for a very long time.

[Maharincess]

I thought she was an asshole way back on 16 and Pregnant. Charmed1, I remember the cheerleading squad hating her too. She seems to have a (probably paid by MTV) new "friend" every season. Does anybody remember the 40 year old Asian hair dresser that was around for 1 season? Nobody seems to hang around Farrah for very long before the disappear.

[guilfoyleatpp]

I totally agree with whomever said (either here or on the episode thread) that Farrah's implants make her look dumpy.

 

Same for Jenelle, but she doesn't have the booty implants.

 

It's just so weird to see a young woman with those huge, matronly boobs. 

[lilmarysunshine]

I thought she was an asshole way back on 16 and Pregnant. Charmed1, I remember the cheerleading squad hating her too. She seems to have a (probably paid by MTV) new "friend" every season. Does anybody remember the 40 year old Asian hair dresser that was around for 1 season? Nobody seems to hang around Farrah for very long before the disappear.

She is so angry and hostile to people that I wonder how she ever even made cheerleader. Aren't they supposed to at least try to act happy or social?  I don't think she's smart and I don't think she has "hustle."  I guess in the truest sense of the word because she's hustling herself. The only reason for her success is she's marginally attractive and famous and she was willing to bare all with a porn star. That's it.

[Elizabeth9]

I'm always amazed that everyone appreciates Farrah's "hustle." To me, she promotes a bunch of shit most people wouldn't want to buy. Her idea of work is flying to some other city, bitching at whomever is in sight, and hawking some crap. Fact is, the majority of her money came from her "sex tape." So while she wants to talk shit on the other girls with her"millions" it's only because SHE DID PORN that she can even make such a claim. (Not that there's anything wrong with doing porn, but own that shit).

Her appearances on other shows are simply booked because everyone knows she's batshit fucking crazy and will bring the drama. That's the only reason.

Her career options at the end of all this are as bleak as the others, unless she wants to continue in porn- really, that would be her best bet. Actually, I would say her options are much worse since she can't get along with any other human being besides Sophia. At least I can see Maci or Cateynn working for a boss- if they chose to work.

[Maharincess]

I agree, just like the Butch love around here, I don't understand the admiration of Farrah's hustle. Doing what she does isn't hustle.

[qtpye]

I'm always amazed that everyone appreciates Farrah's "hustle." To me, she promotes a bunch of shit most people wouldn't want to buy. Her idea of work is flying to some other city, bitching at whomever is in sight, and hawking some crap. Fact is, the majority of her money came from her "sex tape." So while she wants to talk shit on the other girls with her"millions" it's only because SHE DID PORN that she can even make such a claim. (Not that there's anything wrong with doing porn, but own that shit).

 

 

On board with not understanding why people think this.  I remember when her porn first came out, she told people that they paid her millions of dollars for her "sex tape" and she was spotted in various cities driving expensive cars (Tesla , maybe some high end sports car).  A Vivid employer later revealed  that she was paid 10K for the porn and does not receive any of the back end (pardon the vulgar pun).  However, I am a little fuzzy about the profits sharing, so if she does get some of the profits, that and Teen Mom are probably her main sources of income. 

[DoctorWhovian]

Just rewatching her 16 and Pregnant episode.

 

Farrah is definitely not as bad to her mom yet. She took advice without getting mad and had conversations without much fuss.

 

And Deborah is horrible and I'd be snapping at her. Farrah is doing the hospital tour and asking about inducing, and Deborah stops her to say she doesn't want to hear about those things.  There's also rude comments about breasts after breastfeeding (frankly, from both, but Farrah seemed to be asking questions and had Deborah not been there, the doctor probably could have given Farrah some good information). 

 

Then Farrah is dealing with Sophia, who is crying in her crib. Deborah gets all weird that Farrah is covering her hands to prevent scratches (a perfectly normal thing parents do) and saying she needs to learn how to move her arms.. Sophia is 3 days old. And being swaddled can soothe a child (not that they tried that), although of course not all babies respond to it either. But more bothersome was the crib: big fluffy blankets, crib bumpers, pillows. All the things you're told not to have in your crib. It's such an obvious thing that had either of them prepared to have a child. 

 

But then after all this: the conversation in the car when they're car shopping. It's like looking into the future. "Grandpa said to look at Ford Focuses" "I don't like those" "Well I do". A Focus is an affordable car, if Deborah is the one buying, it's not a bad choice. But she wants to pay more? Well ok. One on hand, her mom is offering to buy a car so Farrah should be nice about it, but Farrah wasn't suggesting anything outlandish so Deborah should have been a little more easy going about it. The only difference between their fights now is Farrah is yelling and cursing instead of crying. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I guess Farrah's "hustle" that some of us see is because she's the only TM who was consistently employed outside of the show and in school in the original series, and the only one to complete her associate's degree (Culinary Management from Metropolitan Community College). Her scenes weren't/aren't just her siting her butt on the couch or in bed like so many girls.

I agree she's a terrible person but I don't ever worry that after TM ends she'll be on government assistance sitting around like some of the others (cough Amber cough). She does at least seem to have a work ethic.

Edited January 16, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Bluethcs24]

I'm impressed with Farrah's hustle because she isn't content to sit around and collect MTV checks.  She is ambitious and is always trying a new business venture, making an effort to put herself out there, taking meetings, etc.  I don't know how lucrative her businesses are but she stays busy.  The other girls seem lazy in comparison.  They rarely have anything going on career wise.  Maci at least works and has a crappy tshirt website, so there's that.  If this show stopped tomorrow, I believe Farrah (and Maci) will be able to make money for themselves. Farrah also appears to have multiple streams of income.  Caitlin and Amber have no education, job skills or employment history.  They sit around on their asses all day.  So to me, Farrah is a hustler.

 

ETA: I have no problem with some of her businesses being tied to the sex industry.  Everyone has sex and some people like sex toys and porn. And both are legal. If Farrah was smart, she could do like Kandi Burrus from the RH of Atlanta and create her own little niche.

Edited January 15, 2016 by Bluethcs24

[SPLAIN]

 

But then after all this: the conversation in the car when they're car shopping. It's like looking into the future. "Grandpa said to look at Ford Focuses" "I don't like those" "Well I do". A Focus is an affordable car, if Deborah is the one buying, it's not a bad choice. But she wants to pay more? Well ok. One on hand, her mom is offering to buy a car so Farrah should be nice about it, but Farrah wasn't suggesting anything outlandish so Deborah should have been a little more easy going about it. The only difference between their fights now is Farrah is yelling and cursing instead of crying.

Except that scene doesn't give us much as to what it was Debra wanted to buy Farrah. Was she seeking a more expensive car for Farrah? She never said. Was she seeking a car that might be safer than a Ford Focus? A small car like a Ford Focus, although very affordable and reliable and good on gas, won't stand up in a collision. I know from personal experience. Debra never made it clear (unless she did and I forgot) what kind of car Farrah should have because it escalated into an argument about something else. In Debra's defense, she has since gone to receive therapy to help her with her anger issues. I recall how we all noticed the change in her and her overall attitude towards Farrah. It is sad to watch it all play out because now that Debra is a much calmer person who is so busy kissing Farrah's fake behind in order to keep Sophia in her life, Farrah seems to take advantage of her mother's new easy-going attitude. I see a bully in Farrah as she picks on the weak. 

 

If not for MTV, Farrah would not have had a porn tape, a gig on a U.K. reality show, red carpet events, she wouldn't have a sauce to peddle, and there would be no offers of mom and daughter beauty products. Does this mean she would be on a couch like Amber or Maci? I don't think so. I think she likes the idea of having money and if it meant she had to marry it in order to get it or earn it on her own, I don't see her as the type who would not just sit around. Since she is a single parent, she should be hustling to earn a dollar in order to support herself and her child. 

[Elizabeth9]

I guess Farrah's "hustle" that some of us see is because she's the only TM who was consistently employed outside of the show and in school in the original series, and the only one to complete her associate's degree (Culinary Management from Metropolitan Community College). Her scene weren't/aren't just her siting her butt on the couch or in bed like so many girls.

I agree she's a terrible person but I don't ever worry that after TM ends she'll be on government assistance sitting around like some of the others (cough Amber cough). She does at least seem to have a work ethic.

I think calling it "employment" is a stretch. Employment is having a job that you have to get out of bed and go to. Some bullshit meeting about some random shit no one's ever going to buy doesn't count as "work." It just serves to reinforce her sense of self-importance. Who's going to buy a bunch of cheap shit marketed by two crazy peor and an unfortunate looking kid?

She had a job at first but then gave it all up like the rest of them. How long has it been since she's had a punch your time card job?

And her culinary program, with the way she writes and talks, I question the validity of any school that would give her any degree.

ETA: I have no problem with some of her businesses being tied to the sex industry. Everyone has sex and some people like sex toys and porn. And both are legal. If Farrah was smart, she could do like Kandi Burrus from the RH of Atlanta and create her own little niche.

I have no problem with it either...but as a former sex industry worker, I find it very offensive that she won't just own what she did- she acts like she's so much better than people who do porn.

[SPLAIN]

 

I think calling it "employment" is a stretch. Employment is having a job that you have to get out of bed and go to. Some bullshit meeting about some random shit no one's ever going to buy doesn't count as "work." It just serves to reinforce her sense of self-importance. Who's going to buy a bunch of cheap shit marketed by two crazy peor and an unfortunate looking kid?

She had a job at first but then gave it all up like the rest of them. How long has it been since she's had a punch your time card job?

And her culinary program, with the way she writes and talks, I question the validity of any school that would give her any degree.

I have no problem with it either...but as a former sex industry worker, I find it very offensive that she won't just own what she did- she acts like she's so much better than people who do porn.

Bolding mine. That is the issue with Farrah about 99.9% of the time. She cannot own up to just about anything. I have defended Farrah's porn tape from those who slammed her for being a whore. I only wish Farrah would not make it seem as if porn is shameful. 

 

By the way, the references to Kim K. and Paris H. have me a little stabby. I thought both of them claimed those were private tapes and were not involved in the eventual sales, as if it was out of their hands. That to me sounds exactly like Farrah's claims. 

Edited January 15, 2016 by SPLAIN

[Tatum]

 

I think calling it "employment" is a stretch. Employment is having a job that you have to get out of bed and go to. Some bullshit meeting about some random shit no one's ever going to buy doesn't count as "work." It just serves to reinforce her sense of self-importance. Who's going to buy a bunch of cheap shit marketed by two crazy peor and an unfortunate looking kid?

 

I so agree! I mean, she only wants to do the "fun" work. Basically, someone behind the scenes in doing the actual product packaging, the financing, the market research, etc- all the real work. And then Farrah is taking the finished product and using her name to generate interest on a product that would have no demand without a pseudo famous person shilling it. Yes, it's more work than Amber does. But it's still not "work".  As bullshit as I think Maci's job is, I would still give her the edge over Farrah. At least she's learning a few workplace skills.

[qtpye]

I'm impressed with Farrah's hustle because she isn't content to sit around and collect MTV checks.  She is ambitious and is always trying a new business venture, making an effort to put herself out there, taking meetings, etc.  I don't know how lucrative her businesses are but she stays busy.  The other girls seem lazy in comparison.  They rarely have anything going on career wise.  Maci at least works and has a crappy tshirt website, so there's that.  If this show stopped tomorrow, I believe Farrah (and Maci) will be able to make money for themselves. Farrah also appears to have multiple streams of income.  Caitlin and Amber have no education, job skills or employment history.  They sit around on their asses all day.  So to me, Farrah is a hustler.

 

One of the problems is that no matter how much hustle you have, it does not matter if no one wants to work with you.  Farrah is hated in the porn industry and almost everyone who has worked with her has had problems with her in some shape or form.

 

she is spending a lot of money on houses, plastic surgeries, and other expensive things to front a wealthy lifestyle.  I do not think any of the other Teen Moms live as lavishly as she does.

 

She thinks she is a big star and too good for this show.  However, once the Teen Mom cache is gone, no one is going to want to touch her with a thirty foot pole, let alone work with her.

 

Is anyone checking for Omarosa, Wendy Pepper. or Richard Hatch these days?  No, and these people actually went on reality shows that required some talent or skill.

 

Unless she changes her attitude towards people, I can see her having financial difficulties once the Teen Mom gravy trains stops.  Particularly since it is obvious that the money and fame have gone to her head.

[Snarky McSnarky]

I think Farrah's final business venture will be called Lone Bird Enterprises, because she will have alienated absolutely everyone in her life.

[lilmarysunshine]

I think calling it "employment" is a stretch. Employment is having a job that you have to get out of bed and go to. Some bullshit meeting about some random shit no one's ever going to buy doesn't count as "work." It just serves to reinforce her sense of self-importance. Who's going to buy a bunch of cheap shit marketed by two crazy peor and an unfortunate looking kid?

She had a job at first but then gave it all up like the rest of them. How long has it been since she's had a punch your time card job?

And her culinary program, with the way she writes and talks, I question the validity of any school that would give her any degree.

These are my thoughts exactly. When she was working at BBW, I was impressed by her. But this stuff? Nah.

And one needs to only look at the lifestyles of the RHoNJ, for example, to see that just because people have all of the trappings of being loaded doesn't make it so. I really question if she's raking in the money like she acts like she is.

[Maharincess]

These are my thoughts exactly. When she was working at BBW, I was impressed by her. But this stuff? Nah.

And one needs to only look at the lifestyles of the RHoNJ, for example, to see that just because people have all of the trappings of being loaded doesn't make it so. I really question if she's raking in the money like she acts like she is.

What is BBW?

[Bluethcs24]

I think calling it "employment" is a stretch. Employment is having a job that you have to get out of bed and go to. Some bullshit meeting about some random shit no one's ever going to buy doesn't count as "work." It just serves to reinforce her sense of self-importance. Who's going to buy a bunch of cheap shit marketed by two crazy peor and an unfortunate looking kid?

She had a job at first but then gave it all up like the rest of them. How long has it been since she's had a punch your time card job?

And her culinary program, with the way she writes and talks, I question the validity of any school that would give her any degree.

I have no problem with it either...but as a former sex industry worker, I find it very offensive that she won't just own what she did- she acts like she's so much better than people who do porn.

I agree, she should embrace it, she could probably make something of a career out of selling "romance" toys, do a podcast, partner with someone to write a sex how to book, etc.

Call it employment, random shit, whatever you want, I appreciate that she is going after a goal that she wants. Does it have longevity? Maybe, maybe not, but compared to her counterparts she is doing okay for herself. As far as finding an audience, Snooki sells the cheapest shit on Etsy that I would never buy but others like it. However, Snooki is like able to some so that probably factors in.

I think Farrah has always said she wanted to be an entrepreneur, with her original idea owning a restaurant. Plenty of jobs don't have time cards and I don't begrudge her for not having one of those.

I think she's a crazy see you next tuesday but I do like her ambition. That's my opinion.

[lilmarysunshine]

What is BBW?

Oops....sorry. Buffalo Wild Wings - she had a job there for a while waitressing. I should have typed BWW. Edited January 15, 2016 by lilmarysunshine

[leighroda]

I think in the earlier seasons of teen mom I appreciated Farrah's hustle... But not anything recently so much, I can appreciate I guess that she's doing something but at this point, but I don't admire it or anything.

I appreciated more when she was working at the pizza place after her and Sophia moved into that apartment., when she was estranged from her mom. In particular there was a scene, right after she had been taken by that whole car shipping/ money transfer fiasco, where she maturely goes to her managers and asks if there is anything she can do to earn more money, like work more hours... She didn't demand a raise, she knew if she needed the money for rent she would have to work more hours, she didn't whine about being away from Sophia, she did what she needed to do to make it work. Sure it was super annoying that season that she always emphasized that she was on her own with no support, and everyone is against her... But I have to give it to her that she worked hard (or so it seemed). It's actually weird to look back to those episodes and see that she wasn't always this narcissistic mess she has become, I don't recall that she was ever my favorite, she has always had bitchy tendacies, but she was much more tolerable in the beginning, I think I even liked her. I also thought she was much prettier then:

[Bluethcs24]

Something that's weird to me is Farrah's insufferable-ness. She's always been bratty but how did she go from cray cray to full out crazy? She is incapable of having the most basic polite conversation with anyone. It's baffling. I always disliked her attitude but now I flat out abhor her. I feel like there's a missing step in the progression to her current incarnation.

[lilmarysunshine]

Something that's weird to me is Farrah's insufferable-ness. She's always been bratty but how did she go from cray cray to full out crazy? She is incapable of having the most basic polite conversation with anyone. It's baffling. I always disliked her attitude but now I flat out abhor her. I feel like there's a missing step in the progression to her current incarnation.

If you consider she actually worked with the unwashed masses in those early years in restaurants and as a server....I cannot imagine her having the personality to do that now. Plus she thinks she's too good for it.

[Elizabeth9]

Something that's weird to me is Farrah's insufferable-ness. She's always been bratty but how did she go from cray cray to full out crazy? She is incapable of having the most basic polite conversation with anyone. It's baffling. I always disliked her attitude but now I flat out abhor her. I feel like there's a missing step in the progression to her current incarnation.

I actually liked her back then. She was proving to be a survivor, with losing Derek at such a young age (even if they were fighting at the time, it must have been horribly difficult to know he'd never be a part of Sophia's life) to working her butt off when she wasn't getting along with her mom. She even let some of Derek's family see Sophia. But now she's just insane. It's sad, really...

Edited January 16, 2016 by kariyaki
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[NikSac]

I actually liked her back then. She was proving to be a survivor, with losing Derek at such a young age (even if they were fighting at the time, it must have been horribly difficult to know he'd never be a part of Sophia's life) to working her butt off when she wasn't getting along with her mom. She even let some of Derek's family see Sophia. But now she's just insane. It's sad, really...

I did too. She struck me as a spoiled brat, but otherwise a survivor and doing well. Then it's like she just totally went off the deep end. I have heard/read that early 20s can sometimes be a trigger time for mental illnesses to emerge and I've wondered if something like that has somehow played a role.

[leighroda]

http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/01/16/farrah-abraham-nicki-minaj-feud-lisa-vanderpump/

The delusion is strong with this one... I dont normally watch these but I figured this one would be entertaining and it was. I love that you can clearly hear Sophia saying "I love Nicki Minaj". I just can't handle Farrah, I am really curious what goes on in her head, if she truly believes this crap she spouts, or if she knows she is full of it. She says she has moved on from the whole Nicki Minaj thing, but yet I have only heard her talking about it daily since it happened, as far as I know outside of the original comments on Twitter I haven't heard anything else from Nicki on the matter (doesn't mean she hasn't said anything, just that I haven't seen it). And as predicted by some people here, the fact that Lisa Vanderpump doesn't know who she is clearly gets under Farrah's skin, I kinda wish this would become a thing, where celebrities are asked about Farrah... I think it'll pretty much be either they don't know, or they'll know about the porn.

Edited January 16, 2016 by leighroda

[leighroda]

That story about Farrah is terrible. I am not one to disbelieve sexual assault allegations. It's terrible what James Deen has done to, apparently, many women.

What I'm trying to process is how I might justify that I should make money off a tape where I was raped. It seems like the logical action there would be to slap a civil case against JD the moment after it happened. Or at any point prior to release. I'm not Farrah and I'm don't represent every woman who has had a sexual assault filmed but I'd rather go down fighting than make money off a tape that shows a crime being committed against me. I can't fathom it.

I don't really have much frame of reference when it comes to James Deen, I had never heard of him until Farrah's sex tape, I have no idea in regards to the allegations from the other actresses, but as far as Farrah is concerned I don't believe for one second she is a victim. It makes me mad that she is tagging herself into the group with other people who may or may not be actual victims (I don't want to discredit the other actresses, but I also don't know if the allegations are true, so I don't want to condemn Deen without knowing). I don't think sexual or physical abuse are something to use as a ploy for attention, which to be honest is what I feel Farrah is doing, and it makes me sick because this is exactly why true victims are often accused of just seeking attention.

I agree that it simply doesn't make sense that this was a case of abuse, but Farrah was just like "oh well, guess I'll use it to my advantage and make some money from it". I'm not sure when the allegations were made by the other actresses, but in the span of time between the sex tape coming out and now Farrah has had numerous chances to tell her story if she had suffered at the hands of Deen, and she has never been one to shy away from calling people out. I'm sorry but I just don't buy it that now these other stories are coming out, and now Farrah wants to come out as a victim.

It has already been proven that Farrah has lied about pretty much every aspect of the tape, from saying Deen was her boyfriend, which he never was. Saying it was a personal tape that was leaked, last I checked personal tapes didn't have film crews. That she was "tricked", her and her dad negotiated the deal at vivid's offices. It was a traumatic experience, buuuut in gonna make related appearances and sell paraphernalia related to it. I'm sorry, maybe I'm being harsh, but she has been full of shit in regards to every aspect of this tape being released, so no I don't think she was truly a victim... Am I going to feel terrible for not believing her if it is later proven otherwise? Maybe, but maybe not... It's like the little boy that cried wolf, her being less than honest over virtually everything she says has caused me to be skeptical, so she is now throwing out a very serious allegation, and I don't believe her.

[guilfoyleatpp]

I don't really have much frame of reference when it comes to James Deen, I had never heard of him until Farrah's sex tape, I have no idea in regards to the allegations from the other actresses, but as far as Farrah is concerned I don't believe for one second she is a victim. It makes me mad that she is tagging herself into the group with other people who may or may not be actual victims (I don't want to discredit the other actresses, but I also don't know if the allegations are true, so I don't want to condemn Deen without knowing). I don't think sexual or physical abuse are something to use as a ploy for attention, which to be honest is what I feel Farrah is doing, and it makes me sick because this is exactly why true victims are often accused of just seeking attention.

I agree that it simply doesn't make sense that this was a case of abuse, but Farrah was just like "oh well, guess I'll use it to my advantage and make some money from it". I'm not sure when the allegations were made by the other actresses, but in the span of time between the sex tape coming out and now Farrah has had numerous chances to tell her story if she had suffered at the hands of Deen, and she has never been one to shy away from calling people out. I'm sorry but I just don't buy it that now these other stories are coming out, and now Farrah wants to come out as a victim.

It has already been proven that Farrah has lied about pretty much every aspect of the tape, from saying Deen was her boyfriend, which he never was. Saying it was a personal tape that was leaked, last I checked personal tapes didn't have film crews. That she was "tricked", her and her dad negotiated the deal at vivid's offices. It was a traumatic experience, buuuut in gonna make related appearances and sell paraphernalia related to it. I'm sorry, maybe I'm being harsh, but she has been full of shit in regards to every aspect of this tape being released, so no I don't think she was truly a victim... Am I going to feel terrible for not believing her if it is later proven otherwise? Maybe, but maybe not... It's like the little boy that cried wolf, her being less than honest over virtually everything she says has caused me to be skeptical, so she is now throwing out a very serious allegation, and I don't believe her.

 

Yeah, I get that. My husband and I talked about the James Deen thing when it came out (I think it was in this fall). He's a feminist so I was surprised that he was so firmly on Deen's side. It just gets all my red flags of "sex workers can't be raped." Of course they can. Consent is an ongoing thing. Just because you consented to have sex with a dude an hour ago does not mean that an hour later her has permission to continue to have his way with you (as one of the actresses reported). And I'll admit when it came out I thought of Farrah - she is bat shit crazy, but that doesn't mean she didn't suffer at his hands. And it sort of gives her more credence. I haven't seen the tape, it's not my thing.

 

Her subsequent behavior is what is perplexing to me as well.  "oh well, I might as well make money off it?" That's your reaction to a consensual tape that gets loose, I suppose.  But a tape that shows you were being assaulted? And you know that people are going to talk about it and snark on it and masturbate to it - just...no. I'm not sure if the 25 year old me could handle that, but I know for sure that the 45 year old me couldn't.  And wouldn't.

 

It does make me wonder, but I know so few women make false allegations that I just can't wrap my head around that either. 

Edited January 16, 2016 by guilfoyleatpp

[lilmarysunshine]

IIRC, there were a few years between Farrah's tape and these things coming out about Deen last fall.

 

I flat out don't believe her for a variety of reasons and the other stories I've read seem completely credible. Hers doesn't.  In fact, when I read about those other women, I thought "Oh, Farrah's gonna jump on this."  She is nothing if not calculating. It is completely, entirely possible for women to lie about sexual assaults. There's gotta be a better way to find justice than to just automatically believe every allegation. (Some poor teenager lost his life, I remember, about a year ago because a dad found him in his daughter's bed and at first she said she didn't know him. She lied because she didn't want to get in trouble from her dad. So thinking he was raping his daughter, he shot and killed him.)

Edited January 16, 2016 by lilmarysunshine

[qtpye]

Good God,  I see one of the Teen Mom producers handling Sophia and Michael sheepishly tagging along like an obedient servant.  This probably means they are getting another season.

[lilmarysunshine]

I think Sophia is the only reason why Michael and Debra put up with Farrah now. She's always been rotten to them, imo, but it is worse now. She will cut Sophia out of their lives without a second thought, I think, to punish them. She holds all of the cards and she knows it.

 

I still don't think I'd allow myself to be treated like that - certainly not on camera, however! I think then they are just  a party to all of this stuff that is damaging their granddaughter. The sad truth is, though, that Sophia is fucked with Farrah as her mother.

Edited January 16, 2016 by lilmarysunshine

[leighroda]

Idk, they have another daughter who (wisely) has seemed to cut ties, partially because Farrah blamed her for the whole DUI think a couple of years ago. But she recently had a baby, meaning another grandchild... If she doesn't want the family involved with the new baby, I don't blame her one bit, but if Michael and Debra aren't involved because Farrah says no, that's ridiculous (although probably best for the baby)

[Maharincess]

Farrah will never ever cut off her free babysitters. She might threaten it, but she never will. Nobody else would put up with Farrah or Sophia.

[Snarky McSnarky]

Farrah and Sophia arrived in L.A. on Friday, with Michael in tow.  She probably needed a sitter while she was "working."  She was asked about her recent feuds, and was more than happy to respond to TMZ.

 

http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/16/farrah-abraham-nicki-minaj-feud-lisa-vanderpump

[Cosmocrush]

I appreciated more when she was working at the pizza place after her and Sophia moved into that apartment., when she was estranged from her mom. In particular there was a scene, right after she had been taken by that whole car shipping/ money transfer fiasco, where she maturely goes to her managers and asks if there is anything she can do to earn more money, like work more hours... She didn't demand a raise, she knew if she needed the money for rent she would have to work more hours, she didn't whine about being away from Sophia, she did what she needed to do to make it work. Sure it was super annoying that season that she always emphasized that she was on her own with no support, and everyone is against her... But I have to give it to her that she worked hard (or so it seemed). It's actually weird to look back to those episodes and see that she wasn't always this narcissistic mess she has become, I don't recall that she was ever my favorite, she has always had bitchy tendacies, but she was much more tolerable in the beginning, I think I even liked her. I also thought she was much prettier then:

If I remember correctly (and I may not be) Farrah moved into that apartment because after the altercation with Debra there was a restraining order and Debra couldn't be withing X number of feet of Farrah which necessitated Farrah having to move out of Debra's house.    Micheal paid for the apartment, probably because he didn't want his granddaughter living just anywhere.     She had a job in the pizza place but she wasn't supporting herself with it.  When she was scammed out of the money on the car, it wasn't rent money.  Ultimately, I think she said her grandparents bought her a car.  And of course she had MTV money.  

 

 

 

It does make me wonder, but I know so few women make false allegations that I just can't wrap my head around that either. 

I'm guessing this refers to the DailyMail article.  linked on the episode thread where Farrah claims she was 'drugged and raped' by her porn co-star James Deen.  

I don't generally believe a word this rag prints - it seems like they make alot of stuff up, however the story contains quotes that sound exactly like Farrah's word salad way of speaking.   And I don't generally dis-believe women who claim to have been assaulted.   I've always thought Farrah and Vivid orchestrated that porn as some sort of shortcut to fame.  I heard her tell Dr. Phil she made it in order to have a memento of when she was 'young and beautiful.   Pffft. 

 

That said, both things could be true: Farrah could have intentionally made and released that porno and Farrah could have been assaulted at some point, maybe even by Deen.   I just don't think for one minute that both of those events happened at the same time.  

Edited January 17, 2016 by Cosmocrush

[Elizabeth9]

I don't discount her story, based on the fact that he did this sort of thing to other women (allegedly, but I like to believe most women wouldn't lie about something so important). However, as stated above, she was a willing, alert and non-drugged participant in the porn.

I'm sort of skeptical also, because she wasn't involved in any personal way with Deen; they just started in the same movie. I think Vivid had them go out together in public and be seen together at the time to promote the idea that this was a private tape; however Deen has said he never dated Farrah and was actually in a serious relationship with someone else at the time.

However, if she's lying about this...that takes a special kind of sociopath and I hope there's a spot in hell for her over it.

Edited January 17, 2016 by Elizabeth9

[lilmarysunshine]

However, if she's lying about this...that takes a special kind of sociopath and I hope there's a spot in hell for her over it.

I think she has that in her. Plus I think she's generally delusional.

 

The other women I tend to believe. They actually worked in the business and probably spent more time with him hanging around sets, etc. and I'm guessing Farrah's contact with him was minimal. So for the others, he'd have more of an opportunity to do it. Mostly I think Farrah seized the opportunity to jump on the bandwagon because she said nada about any of this until the other women came forward. Now I know that it could still happen that way for women - they don't have the guts to tell until someone else does first - but I just don't believe it for Farrah. (I think she is a very scary, untrustworthy person.)

[leighroda]

If I remember correctly (and I may not be) Farrah moved into that apartment because after the altercation with Debra there was a restraining order and Debra couldn't be withing X number of feet of Farrah which necessitated Farrah having to move out of Debra's house. Micheal paid for the apartment, probably because he didn't want his granddaughter living just anywhere. She had a job in the pizza place but she wasn't supporting herself with it. When she was scammed out of the money on the car, it wasn't rent money. Ultimately, I think she said her grandparents bought her a car. And of course she had MTV money.

I'm guessing this refers to the DailyMail article. linked on the episode thread where Farrah claims she was 'drugged and raped' by her porn co-star James Deen.

I don't generally believe a word this rag prints - it seems like they make alot of stuff up, however the story contains quotes that sound exactly like Farrah's word salad way of speaking. And I don't generally dis-believe women who claim to have been assaulted. I've always thought Farrah and Vivid orchestrated that porn as some sort of shortcut to fame. I heard her tell Dr. Phil she made it in order to have a memento of when she was 'young and beautiful. Pffft.

That said, both things could be true: Farrah could have intentionally made and released that porno and Farrah could have been assaulted at some point, maybe even by Deen. I just don't think for one minute that both of those events happened at the same time.

Idk, I'm basing my opinion on what we were shown, on the show she went to the manager and asked for more hours because she specifically said she had to pay rent in a few weeks... So based simply on what we were shown I still can appreciate that she was working to earn the money, whether she was actually paying rent I don't know, but I stand by my point that she needed money and she worked for it instead of whining.

[leighroda]

I think she has that in her. Plus I think she's generally delusional.

The other women I tend to believe. They actually worked in the business and probably spent more time with him hanging around sets, etc. and I'm guessing Farrah's contact with him was minimal. So for the others, he'd have more of an opportunity to do it. Mostly I think Farrah seized the opportunity to jump on the bandwagon because she said nada about any of this until the other women came forward. Now I know that it could still happen that way for women - they don't have the guts to tell until someone else does first - but I just don't believe it for Farrah. (I think she is a very scary, untrustworthy person.)

I recognize that I kinda have a double standard on the matter, because I give the other victims the benefit of a doubt whether anything happened with Deen, but it's more because I don't know them or Deen for that matter, so I don't feel comfortable stating whether or not anything happened, either way...I have no idea if he is guilty or not.

That being said I strongly believe Farrah is full of it. I don't wish abuse of any kind on anyone, but I kinda hope I'm wrong, because I don't want to believe that someone would actually stoop to the level of using allegations this serious for their own gain.

I agree that the other cases are more likely, Farrah's social interactions with Deen were limited, they never actually dated, there were emails soon after the whole tape scandal came out about the fact that they were going to portray themselves as a couple... So now that Farrah is still saying they dated, and she still claims the tape was a leaked tape, I would deduce that since those are both false, that the allegations (in her case) are also false.

[Elizabeth9]

I recognize that I kinda have a double standard on the matter, because I give the other victims the benefit of a doubt whether anything happened with Deen, but it's more because I don't know them or Deen for that matter, so I don't feel comfortable stating whether or not anything happened, either way...I have no idea if he is guilty or not.

That being said I strongly believe Farrah is full of it. I don't wish abuse of any kind on anyone, but I kinda hope I'm wrong, because I don't want to believe that someone would actually stoop to the level of using allegations this serious for their own gain.

I agree that the other cases are more likely, Farrah's social interactions with Deen were limited, they never actually dated, there were emails soon after the whole tape scandal came out about the fact that they were going to portray themselves as a couple... So now that Farrah is still saying they dated, and she still claims the tape was a leaked tape, I would deduce that since those are both false, that the allegations (in her case) are also false.

This is how I feel, and I believe it's the first time in my life where I didn't take a victim of abuse at her word.

Let's face it, outside of filming, like everyone else...James Deen didn't want to spend time around her.

[lezlers]

I guess Farrah's "hustle" that some of us see is because she's the only TM who was consistently employed outside of the show and in school in the original series, and the only one to complete her associate's degree (Culinary Management from Metropolitan Community College). Her scenes weren't/aren't just her siting her butt on the couch or in bed like so many girls.

I agree she's a terrible person but I don't ever worry that after TM ends she'll be on government assistance sitting around like some of the others (cough Amber cough). She does at least seem to have a work ethic.

 

Co-sign.   Don't get me wrong, I think Farrah is a nightmare of a person, but she's not lazy like the other girls.  She's capitalizing off of her Teen Mom fame and securing a future for herself and her daughter.  Does that make her a good person?  No.  But at least she's self sufficient.

[GreatKazu]

In my eyes, Farrah has no credibility. To me, she is the Yolanda Foster (Real Housewives of Beverly HIlls) of Teen Mom. What I mean about that is, Farrah has contradicted herself many, many times. She has made statements that don't add up. Her comments and accusations are questionable. She has blatantly lied and there is proof of those lies.

 

 - She went on Dr. Phil and claimed her sex tape was sort of like a memory book. She wanted to look back on it and remember how damn sexy and beautiful she was. Certainly not something a rape victim would ever say. 

 

- Farrah lied about her DUi. Whatever time of the day it was when she talked about it, she changed the story up a bit each time. It was never the same story. She was caught and that is all. No ownership of what she did.

 

- Farrah has changed the story of her relationship with Derek. In the early season, she claimed he was "mean" to her. There were comments made which alluded to domestic violence on some sort of level. What I mean by that is, it was never clear if she meant physical, emotional, verbal abuse, or if she claimed all that abuse. 

 

- Farrah has made claims that her parents were cruel and abusive to her. She said things to "Dr. Jen" from Vh-1 Couples Therapy that led her to believe that Farrah "suffered abuse so shocking" it was the worst thing she had ever heard in her years as a therapist.  Yet, these same people are the ones she wants her daughter to be around and to even live with on a constant basis. When she needs Sophia to be tossed somewhere so she can go to some event or make money, it is those two "abusive" people that she chooses to leave her child with.  When Farrah considered moving to Florida to go to culinary school, she opted to leave Sophia in the care of her mother for a year. The same person she has alleged is abusive, psycho, stupid, fucked up, manipulative, crazy, mean, didn't support her and wasn't there for her. Yes, those are all the things Farrah has put out there at one time or another when describing Deb. There is more, but I think you get the idea.  Farrah had her dad move in with her at her home in Texas so he can care for Sophia. The same man she accused of being abusive to her all her life. 

 

- When Farrah's special aired last year, she was asked when did things go bad between her and her mother. She never mentioned any abuse. She laid the claim that when her mother interfered with her relationship with Derek, that was the moment that things went downhill and strained her relationship with her. Not abuse, not any alleged cruelty, no mental abuse or verbal abuse. She said it was Deb interfering in her dating life. 

 

- I took a look at that Farrah special again just to be sure of something. When they brought up the scene where the 911 call was made after the assault by Debra, Farrah made an interesting comment about that moment. Heather, the producer asked Farrah a question about what led to that situation. Farrah said "WE BOTH HIT EACH OTHER."  It now makes sense why that investigator handling the case told Farrah it wouldn't be fair to see Debra face such charges and be put in jail for what really went down that day. Farrah agreed. 

 

There is so much more, but the allegations of abuse is what really pisses me off the most because not onlly are people naive to really believe this liar and deceitful person, but Farrah is using the rape and abuse card so easily without any care of what harm she brings to the people she is accusing,  and making it harder for those who are truly victims of rape and abuse to come forward. Farrah Abraham rape victim? *face palm* Farrah Abraham a victim of child abuse? Gimme a break. How convenient for Farrah to be able to accuse people so easily for various crimes. The same bitch who lied about the incidents I noted above. 

Edited January 17, 2016 by GreatKazu

[leighroda]

Wow greatkazu, very true... I was a little afraid to say that I call bs on Farrah, I was a little scared I would get slammed here, and a little afraid I'm being to harsh and that she deserves the benefit of a doubt. I hadn't really thought back to everything; but seeing it listed the way you did reminds me why I feel so the way I do, and you only listed a handful of examples.

I think time and the fact that her story has changed so many times is working in Farrah's favor in this case. It's been several years since the tape came out, and she has given so many explanations over everything, that even though I have followed most of the story I find myself confused about the details. If anyone one watched sisterwives, she gives Robyn Brown a run for her money when it comes to revising history, part of me is wondering how long it will be before she unveils a painting that she had someone render of her, Derek, and Sophia as a family. (For those who don't follow sisterwives Robyn is the 4th wife, she had been previously married and divorced and had 3 kids from that marriage, last year she had an artist take a family picture of her kids and their biological father, and put Kody the husband of the sisterwives in his place).

I don't even feel like delusion is the word for Farrah, it's full blown hallucinations (I'm being sarcastic I'm aware she is not actually having hallucinations)

[guilfoyleatpp]

Those are all really good points. Mr. Guilfoyle also did not have a wonderful childhood and made it clear when we had mini guilfoyle that his mom would in no way ever be a candidate for babysitting, ever. End of story. 

So, her saying she was abused and then leaving her child in the hands of her abusers for extended unsupervised visitation rings false.

[lezlers]

Oops....sorry. Buffalo Wild Wings - she had a job there for a while waitressing. I should have typed BWW.

Yeah, I'm not going to hate on her for choosing to try to capitalize on her fame while it's there instead of waitressing.  She's taking advantage of her position in life right now, that's ambitious.  There's plenty to hate on Farrah for (SO MUCH, in fact) but I think people are refusing to admit she's got ambition or hustle because they plain don't like her.  Objectively, she does. 

[lilmarysunshine]

Yeah, I'm not going to hate on her for choosing to try to capitalize on her fame while it's there instead of waitressing.  She's taking advantage of her position in life right now, that's ambitious.  There's plenty to hate on Farrah for (SO MUCH, in fact) but I think people are refusing to admit she's got ambition or hustle because they plain don't like her.  Objectively, she does. 

Or they don't think aspiring to be a porn star is "ambition."  Or one's idea of ambition is someone else's idea that she thinks she's too good to do what most people do to make a living. It's like she's playing make-believe that she's a businesswoman.

 

As the mother to a daughter, I'd rather she waitress at BWW than make porn videos with James Deen.

Edited January 18, 2016 by lilmarysunshine

[GreatKazu]

Yeah, I'm not going to hate on her for choosing to try to capitalize on her fame while it's there instead of waitressing.  She's taking advantage of her position in life right now, that's ambitious.  There's plenty to hate on Farrah for (SO MUCH, in fact) but I think people are refusing to admit she's got ambition or hustle because they plain don't like her.  Objectively, she does. 

I'd rather see one of these girls capitalize on their fame from this show than sit around not doing a damn thing. Someone needs to make money and hopefully put that money in the bank and make investments to ensure their financial future. 

 

I have no issue with Farrah doing a porn tape. I have no issue with Farrah putting her name on various products. The public will choose what to spend their money on and if they choose to buy what Farrah sells, that is their choice. It's not my money, what do I care? The only issue I have is, Farrah won't cop to having made a porn tape. She denies it is a porn tape.  To me, there is more shame in her lying about it than owning up to making a porn. She is hyper-sensitive to any references of that porn tape or being called a porn star. She is far from being a porn star. Porn stars are not ashamed of the work they do. Farrah will likely have many business ventures. Whether they are successful or not, that remains to be seen. Are these ventures that Farrah would have invested in if Teen Mom didn't exist? Does doing the kind of business ventures Farrah is involved in only because she is likely afraid she won't succeed in businesses such as opening the restaurant that she talked about so much in the early seasons? 

 

I do have to give it to her, she is going to milk this Teen Mom thing to death. 

Edited January 18, 2016 by GreatKazu

[FanOfTheFans]

I wonder how profitable her endeavors really are. Someone on this site stated she only netted ten thousand dollars on the video tape. So is most of her money coming from deals that have sprung out of the video? I know she has been on some other reality shows too but I don't get these millions of dollars that she is supposedly making.

As far as her hustle goes, yeah she does know how to take advantage of opportunities, I'll give her that. But someone mentioned up thread that she would have a tough time at at a nine to five job, and yes I can't see her being able to do that. When all this attention dies down, I hope she has saved money because I can't see her functioning in the normal work force.

Can you picture her with a boss giving her orders? And if she is her own boss she still needs to be able to get along with people such as employees or customers.

I don't know. Maybe she will never have to face that reality. Her biggest problem in my eyes is her inability to respect other people.