Maci

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 10/16/2016 at 9:53 PM, Blissfool said:

I'm pretty sure Maci is Jen and Larry's "the one that got away."

Ugh.  Really?  Maci just grosses me out, with the beer drinking and the smoking (didn't she smoke, or was she orange from tanning beds?) and the heinous tats and gauges and popping out babies constantly.  It's her life, of course, but it just pains me to think that someone thinks she rises to the level of "the one that got away," even when you're talking about Ryan.

 

On 10/12/2016 at 10:45 AM, GreatKazu said:

I was thinking Larry was ill or had a procedure done to be lying on the couch with the blanket.

I was thinking he'd seen the show and was just following everybody else's lead.

[toodywoody]

Check out Maci Bookout-McKinney Fans Facebook. there are a bunch of pictures there. I adore the one with Jayde and Bentley. And there's even a picture of them with Cate and Tyler.

[Marisagf]

I just saw the photos on the Maci fan page on FB and I'm jumping into the shallow end of the pool here.  

That venue was lovely, but it didn't strike me as something sooooo unique that you MUST have your wedding there if you don't live there.  Maybe the reception photos didn't do it justice, but it looked like your average country club function space.  I thought the centerpieces were pretty and keeping with the rustic theme.  The chapel looked better when we saw it on TMOG.  Again, maybe the photos don't do it justice and we'll have to see it on the show to get a better sense of it.  

I also didn't see anything overly unique in the photos.  All the wedding fads were covered: blowing bubbles as they left the church?  Check!  Donuts instead of cake?  Check!  Garter toss?  Check!  Photo booth with costumes? Check!  Groom's cake promoting your t-shirt company? Check!

Does Tyler know anyone who doesn't wear a beard?  There was one groomsman who was clean shaven.  Actually, Bentley didn't have a beard either.

I still can't with Maci's tats or her tatas!  I'm really hoping the strapless gown trend dies out soon.  While her dress was stunning, I kept thinking she'd have a nip-slip at any second.  Maybe it's the strapless with cleavage (a low sweetheart neckline) that bugs me.  We know she has implants, and they aren't grotesquely huge, but I keep looking at them to see if they'd fall out.  Not something you want to focus on!  That said, her hair, make-up, headpiece, and the rest of the dress were beautiful.  She looked very pretty in the photos. 

Maci is TINY!  And she has a great profile.  

The kids were beyond adorable!

One more thing: I will not be surprised if Maci and/or Tyler get a TTM pocket tattooed on their chests!

[AmyFarrahFowler]

I am enjoying the relationship between Bentley and Taylor. Taylor seems really committed to being a good parent figure to Bentley. Maybe he isn't the douche I thought he was.

Maci if you are reading this, please please please take off that pocket tee you were wearing last night. On top of being ugly I'm pretty sure those shirts are way overpriced.

[Blissfool]

2 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Ugh.  Really?  Maci just grosses me out, with the beer drinking and the smoking (didn't she smoke, or was she orange from tanning beds?) and the heinous tats and gauges and popping out babies constantly.  It's her life, of course, but it just pains me to think that someone thinks she rises to the level of "the one that got away," even when you're talking about Ryan.

I agree that her style leaves a lot to he desired. It's a personal preference and she probably thinks non-tatted bodies such as mine are boring or that my earlobes are too fleshy.

However, Larry and Jen know that Ryan is not gonna do better.

[Christina]

Instead of those ugly t-shirts, they should have invested in a local craft beer company, or beer making supplies that could be drop shipped. Their engagement photos could have included a beer they had some investment in. It seems like there are a dozen little beer companies popping up in my area of Amish and meth labs, there should be some around them.

[Tatum]

13 hours ago, Marisagf said:

I still can't with Maci's tats or her tatas!  I'm really hoping the strapless gown trend dies out soon.  While her dress was stunning, I kept thinking she'd have a nip-slip at any second.  Maybe it's the strapless with cleavage (a low sweetheart neckline) that bugs me.  We know she has implants, and they aren't grotesquely huge, but I keep looking at them to see if they'd fall out.  Not something you want to focus on!  That said, her hair, make-up, headpiece, and the rest of the dress were beautiful.  She looked very pretty in the photos.

I thought the same thing! Maci is like, the 1% of women that actually can pull off a strapless dress, and she screws it up the weird neckline that looked like it was going to fall down any second. The more standard strapless line would have looked amazing on her frame.

 

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That venue was lovely, but it didn't strike me as something sooooo unique that you MUST have your wedding there if you don't live there.  

I think the buzz I've read is that Maci got a steep discount for having it there. Odd she couldn't have struck a deal with a more local resort. A destination wedding in FL that takes place in Tallahassee is...unusual to say the least.

[DNR]

14 hours ago, Marisagf said:

I also didn't see anything overly unique in the photos.  All the wedding fads were covered: blowing bubbles as they left the church?  Check!  Donuts instead of cake?  Check!  Garter toss?  Check!  Photo booth with costumes? Check!  Groom's cake promoting your t-shirt company? C

When my son got married last week , he and his fiancé came up with " the two minute wedding challenge " - they had to eat cake , throw the bouquet , put on the garter in 2 min.  It was fun and we actually had more time to dance & have fun.  

I was worried about Bintley being at Ryanns but seems the deadbeat kept it together 

[Marisagf]

13 minutes ago, DNR said:

When my son got married last week , he and his fiancé came up with " the two minute wedding challenge " - they had to eat cake , throw the bouquet , put on the garter in 2 min.  It was fun and we actually had more time to dance & have fun.  

That is awesome and very clever!  :)

[DangerousMinds]

14 hours ago, Marisagf said:

I just saw the photos on the Maci fan page on FB and I'm jumping into the shallow end of the pool here.  

That venue was lovely, but it didn't strike me as something sooooo unique that you MUST have your wedding there if you don't live there.  Maybe the reception photos didn't do it justice, but it looked like your average country club function space.  I thought the centerpieces were pretty and keeping with the rustic theme.  The chapel looked better when we saw it on TMOG.  Again, maybe the photos don't do it justice and we'll have to see it on the show to get a better sense of it.  

I also didn't see anything overly unique in the photos.  All the wedding fads were covered: blowing bubbles as they left the church?  Check!  Donuts instead of cake?  Check!  Garter toss?  Check!  Photo booth with costumes? Check!  Groom's cake promoting your t-shirt company? Check!

Does Tyler know anyone who doesn't wear a beard?  There was one groomsman who was clean shaven.  Actually, Bentley didn't have a beard either.

 

I remember seeing the donut "cakes" at least a decade ago. 

13 hours ago, Blissfool said:

I agree that her style leaves a lot to he desired. It's a personal preference and she probably thinks non-tatted bodies such as mine are boring or that my earlobes are too fleshy.

However, Larry and Jen know that Ryan is not gonna do better.

It seems like most of the women Ryan has dated (god knows why they date him) have been classier and more educated than Maci. Maybe that's why those relationships haven't worked out . . . 

[SPLAIN]

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I also didn't see anything overly unique in the photos.  All the wedding fads were covered: blowing bubbles as they left the church?  Check!  Donuts instead of cake?  Check!  Garter toss?  Check!  Photo booth with costumes? Check!  Groom's cake promoting your t-shirt company? Check!

Bride has a brood of children? Check

Bride is covered in tattoos? Check

Bride has her drugged up ex-fiance in attendance? Check

[Maharincess]

On 10/18/2016 at 1:20 AM, CofCinci said:

Ryan seems to do the best when he has a full-time mother caring for him girlfriend. Maybe he'll lay off the benzodiazepines and opiates with this girl?  Her IG pic is with Ryan and he looks clean. 

She's also a single mom, which explains why he took Bentley to the water park. 

She's an AFR for Northwestern according to her IG main page too, so she most likely has a degree in business or finance. Why is she with Ryan? 

Edit: Folks on /r/teenmom claim that she's added new baby and wedding stuff to her Pinterest recently. 

I'm confused,  how does this girlfriend being a single mom explain why Ryan took Bentley to a water park?  

I'd think Maci's wedding was nicer if it hadn't been filmed for the show. That just rubs me wrong for some reason.  Chelsea seems to be the only one who wants a real marriage, the rest just seen to want a TV wedding. 

[CofCinci]

8 minutes ago, Maharincess said:

I'm confused,  how does this girlfriend being a single mom explain why Ryan took Bentley to a water park?  

New girlfriend wanted to take her kids to the water park so Ryan brought his kid along. He wouldn't have taken Bentley on his own volition. 

[ghoulina]

12 hours ago, CofCinci said:

New girlfriend wanted to take her kids to the water park so Ryan brought his kid along. He wouldn't have taken Bentley on his own volition. 

Mmmmhmm. 

I initially thought Ryan just wanted to go to the water park to pick up hot chicks in bikinis. SO he used Bentley as an excuse to go. I didn't know he had a girlfriend at the time. That makes even more sense. 

[Tatum]

24 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Mmmmhmm. 

I initially thought Ryan just wanted to go to the water park to pick up hot chicks in bikinis.

I bet even that would take too much effort. I am sure Ryan finds all his dates on dating apps now.

[TonAmi]

21 minutes ago, Tatum said:

I bet even that would take too much effort. I am sure Ryan finds all his dates on dating apps now.

He can swipe right on Jenelle when her relationship with Uncle Bad Touch ends. Neither of them watch their kids anyway. 

[SPLAIN]

Has anyone watched the new Bentley videos on MTVs site? Watch out. He may just get a spin-off web series like Barb.

[StatisticalOutlier]

One thing I've noticed about Bentley is that as he's gotten older, he doesn't look like a clone of Kyle any more.  So I take back that suspicion.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

21 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

One thing I've noticed about Bentley is that as he's gotten older, he doesn't look like a clone of Kyle any more.  So I take back that suspicion.

Right? I used to think he was a male version of Maci (and Kyle) but now he looks to me like a blonde version of Ryan (when Ryan was good-looking, that is). 

[Christina]

Kyle's mom had a DNA test taken of Bentley. I don't remember if that aired on the show or not, but Maci was pissed. Kyle knew he couldn't have been the dad, either, because he wasn't around her then, but his mom didn't believe him.

[Tatum]

10 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Right? I used to think he was a male version of Maci (and Kyle) but now he looks to me like a blonde version of Ryan (when Ryan was good-looking, that is). 

On Jen's instagram if you scroll down a ways, there is a picture of Larry and Ryan when Ryan is probably about 5-6 and I thought it was Bentley. Larry is also vaguely reminiscent of Ryan, but with the respectable early 90s 'stache. I still a lot of Maci in Bentley though.

 

Whoever said that Maci is the one that got away for Larry and Jen is def on to something. There are a TON of pictures of Ryan, Maci, and Bentley (through the years) in Jen's instagram. I'm now starting to wonder if Jen is some freaky Miss Havisham and in her world, Maci and Ryan have been married for the last 7 years, with three kids, and Ryan has been working this whole time. Jen's probably like, who's this douche with a beard who  keeps coming around? Is he here to cut the grass?

[Christina]

Apparently, after the bruhaha at the reunion show between team Amber and team Farrah, Maci lead a walkoff.

From the article, after asking where Farrah was and being told by Dr. Drew that he didn't know:

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"She said this has been a long time coming and that every year the women are professional and that the three women onstage do their job and never complain. She also said that she arrived at 9:30 AM and it was now 10 PM and the reason it was so late was that Farrah threw a fit this AM and made everyone wait for five hours like she does every time.”

“Maci wasn’t done, though,” our insider continued detailing, “as she then said that she is just as important to this show as Farrah is. She also said Amber and Catelynn are just as important as Farrah is and that they are no longer going to be on Farrah’s time. She then said ‘Thank you. Goodbye.’ and the three women all walked off the stage in the middle of the show and refused to talk anymore.”

[GreatKazu]

How about they stage a real walk off and QUIT THE FUCKING SHOW? Without any of the three, Farrah no longer has the show as her platform.

Ha! Like that will ever happen.

Note how Maci is quoted as saying all of them are always on time. Really? Even Cate? She doesn't hit that snooze button for the reunion show.

Edited October 23, 2016 by GreatKazu

[leighroda]

Lol, I just came to post this link about it, I'm such a shit stirrer. http://www.realmrhousewife.com/2016/10/23/maci-catelynn-and-amber-walked-off-reunion-stage-exclusive/

while im glad it did finally happen, I find it funny that Maci is all indignant about it while saying it's been going on for 8 years, like @GreatKazu said, if they really want to fix it they do have some choice in the matter.  Why not stand up after the 4th or 5th time... or when it happened that day, in my opinion while it was maybe them trying to reamain "professional" if they really wanted to stick it to MTV they should have refused to film at all once Farrah pulled the stunt, instead of filming most of the day so MTV has footage and then at the end being like "we're done". If MTV didn't have footage they would be forced to address Farrah's behavior.

Taking this to Farrah's thread, but I thought Farrah was terrified to be in Dr. Drew's "pervy" presence, but every account I have heard hasn't really seemed like she was paralyzed in fear.  

[GreatKazu]

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if they really wanted to stick it to MTV they should have refused to film at all once Farrah pulled the stunt, instead of filming most of the day so MTV has footage and then at the end being like "we're done". If MTV didn't have footage they would be forced to address Farrah's behavior.

That's right.

They do all this drama after the fact because they all got bills to pay and they need their welfare check from MTV. We know Amber is in need of her check. No way in hell are these girls gonna leave the system known as MTV. So they have to wait around for Farrah for five hours? As if they have better things to do. lol  They are here in Southern California getting a paid vacation while staying for free at a hotel and getting their perks. STFU Maci and the rest of you. You get paid for this shit, now deal with it. The one choice you have is to quit, but then that would mean Cate, Amber, and Maci would have to find real jobs.

[leighroda]

Exactly, shut up or ship out.

[WhosThatGirl]

Yeah, it's a stupid point to make when there's hours of footage they've already shot at this point. Why didn't Maci stand up at 930 am when Farrah was holding things up? 

[geekamonggeeks]

Maci tried walking off the show before when Farrah was brought back on. She came crawling back only one episode later because she realized she didn't have a leg to stand on. The self-righteous crap is so annoying. Just because she was the first girl ever shown on the franchise doesn't mean she's this golden calf, especially since I heard that Amber of all people was the true inspiration of "16 and Pregnant". 

[WhosThatGirl]

3 minutes ago, geekamonggeeks said:

Maci tried walking off the show before when Farrah was brought back on. She came crawling back only one episode later because she realized she didn't have a leg to stand on. The self-righteous crap is so annoying. Just because she was the first girl ever shown on the franchise doesn't mean she's this golden calf, especially since I heard that Amber of all people was the true inspiration of "16 and Pregnant". 

Yup. When she realized MTV kept rolling and Amber and Catelynn stayed on the only thing she could do was keep Bentley off the show.

[GreatKazu]

4 minutes ago, WhosThatGirl said:

Yup. When she realized MTV kept rolling and Amber and Catelynn stayed on the only thing she could do was keep Bentley off the show.

And even that didn't last for very long. Bentley is front and center in most of her scenes along with her two other kids. Wow, just typing that makes my head spin. This girl brought in two more kids into the mix since that failed dust-up.

I believe Amber became a part of this so-called walk-out only because Farrah called out Matt on camera for what he posted to her on Twitter. Amber and Matt went to this reunion with an agenda. Before that, Amber wasn't going to be part of Maci's tantrums.

[WhosThatGirl]

The problem with this walk off is what we all said: the girls didn't take much of a stand considering they filmed for some footage that can be put together. Take a stand when Farrah refused to come out on the morning.

Edited October 23, 2016 by WhosThatGirl

[iheartla]

If it were me, I would likely wait it out for the morning, in attempt to be patient. If I'm still waiting around for a cast-mate/coworker at 10 PM, I'd be short fused and any patience I had earlier would be gone.   

I'm rather enjoying Simon's tweets though. He has no fucks to give. I applaud him for any Matt snark he gave.

[WhosThatGirl]

See I understand waiting but waiting until 10 pm and then acting like you're walk out is going to mean anything is pointless. Production like I said earlier probably has enough to edit something. I understand why Maci and the others would be angry but this isn't going to change anything or make a difference really. 

[DangerousMinds]

They get paid more than enough to wait all day.

[ginger90]

Poor Farrah.........

https://mobile.twitter.com/F1abraham/status/790367700501405696/photo/1

[Tatum]

6 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

They get paid more than enough to wait all day.

True enough. The ill timed walk out reminds me of something-

 

When they still did Real World multi season reunion specials, I think they had a 10th anniversary one that was kind of a big deal, and most of the casts showed up. Their flights and hotels were comp'd, but they weren't actually getting paid to be there. So, someone decides they should band together at the last minute and refuse to go on until they all got paid. They wanted $5,000 each. I don't know how many were there- it was 10 casts, but of course some of the people didn't come, so probably around 50 or so? Anyways, I guess B/M said they would not be paying, and if the cast walked out, they would not pay the hotel bill and not allow them to use their return tickets home, and they'd have to pay their own way.  They then said, how about you negotiate payment before you actually agree to come on the show?

[WhosThatGirl]

6 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

They get paid more than enough to wait all day.

True enough. I also wonder if they held out all day so they'd get their paycheck for filming this reunion. I wouldn't put it past them but once again I will say, are they supposed to be seen as taking a stand with this? It doesn't make sense.

[GreatKazu]

They have to show up for the reunion in some fashion or don't get paid. 

As I noted before, if they really wanted to make a point, they should all quit. Instead, they all take the free trip here to So. California.

Sitting around is all Cate and Amber do on the show,  and they get paid for it. What is the difference now?

[Tatum]

3 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

They have to show up for the reunion in some fashion or don't get paid. 

As I noted before, if they really wanted to make a point, they should all quit. Instead, they all take the free trip here to So. California.

Sitting around is all Cate and Amber do on the show,  and they get paid for it. What is the difference now?

I'm not sure Amber or Cate really care, other than the fact they don't like Farrah.

 

In Maci's case, it's not so much the wasted time but the fact that she feels like Farrah's diva behavior makes Maci the grunt.

 

I agree with those who think it's ridiculous to wait all day and then flounce off in a huff. Either leave right away or see it through, but waiting 12 hours than making a production of leaving is just...sad.

[DangerousMinds]

11 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

They have to show up for the reunion in some fashion or don't get paid. 

As I noted before, if they really wanted to make a point, they should all quit. Instead, they all take the free trip here to So. California.

Sitting around is all Cate and Amber do on the show,  and they get paid for it. What is the difference now?

I know. They get paid some extravagant sum per hour, if it were figured that way, so if they have to spend some of their work time just sitting around, so be it.

[GreatKazu]

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I'm not sure Amber or Cate really care, other than the fact they don't like Farrah.

They don't.

Maci's little tantrum didn't get the results she wanted. She is still pissed to this day about that.

Amber is pissed at Farrah for bringing to the forefront what Matt did on Twitter, and I am sure Amber hates Farrah rather than Matt for that whole Twitter thing having happened in the first place. It is misdirected anger. Another thing that likely bothers Amber is, she probably paid the price for that scene airing. Matt exploded and gave hell to Amber in some way. I also believe her doing the porn is also a thorn in their side. 

I don't believe it is Farrah's diva behavior. It isn't as if they have to sit around and film scenes with her at any other time.

14 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I know. They get paid some extravagant sum per hour, if it were figured that way, so if they have to spend some of their work time just sitting around, so be it.

Right.

Edited October 24, 2016 by GreatKazu

[poopchute]

Maci is a real fucking trip saying how she didn't want Bently on a show with someone who "did porn on TV" but now he's on a show with a FATHER who is cracked out on God only knows what.  Which is worse?!

[Tatum]

Maci's moral stance on porn was nothing more than pandering to her fans' image of her as "the good girl" of the franchise who would naturally clutch her pearls over such a moral deviant. Her tantrum at the time was a win-win for her- either she gets her way and gets validation for "winning", or she loses and her hypocrite fans cheer her on for trying to take a stand against the evil porn industry, despite Maci not doing a whole lot for the feminist cause herself. Only after she had her third "accident" while being filmed drinking at 20 weeks pregnant did she probably realize the whole parable about stones and glass whorehouses exists for a reason, and now she probably does feel stupid.

 

I'm sure she gives no fucks about what has gone in Farrah's ass or whether or not it was filmed- it just a convenient way to discredit Farrah and get positive attention from her fans.

Edited October 24, 2016 by Tatum

[GreatKazu]

5 minutes ago, poopchute said:

Maci is a real fucking trip saying how she didn't want Bently on a show with someone who "did porn on TV" but now he's on a show with a FATHER who is cracked out on God only knows what.  Which is worse?!

Not to mention she became pregnant three times without the benefit of marriage. Is she some special snowflake for not having done porn? It is okay to move in with three guys and set up home before marriage? This is the girl who constantly mentioned she wanted to be seen as an honest woman.

Maci must get an earful from her grandma.

Grandma, and the likes of her, are one of the reasons girls feel ashamed and unworthy if they get pregnant. Shaming is not the way to handle it.

[teapot]

3 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

 

Grandma, and the likes of her, are one of the reasons girls feel ashamed and unworthy if they get pregnant. Shaming is not the way to handle it.

Not to mention, Farrah had originally wanted an abortion but Debra wasn't having it.  If she had been okay with that, Farrah never would have been on the show, and we never would have been exposed to any of her horrible-ness

[Tatum]

22 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Not to mention she became pregnant three times without the benefit of marriage. Is she some special snowflake for not having done porn? It is okay to move in with three guys and set up home before marriage? This is the girl who constantly mentioned she wanted to be seen as an honest woman.

Maci must get an earful from her grandma.

Grandma, and the likes of her, are one of the reasons girls feel ashamed and unworthy if they get pregnant. Shaming is not the way to handle it.

That is what pisses me off a lot. None of these girls are real prizes as far as morality, ambition, generosity, responsibility, and especially parenting (excepting Chelsea). Yet most of these girls have rabid fans insisting these women are all great moms who are just misunderstood or the victims of mean editing. Most of the girls except Farrah. People despise her. She's not meaner than Jenelle. She's not a worse parent than Leah (Messer). Her morals aren't any more ambiguous than any of the other girls we've seen abandoning their kids, beating their partners, stealing from their kids, sabotaging their kids' relationships with their fathers, etc. Yet Farrah is the most hated. I am pretty sure porn is the reason. Just so much hypocrisy not just from these girls, but their fans as well. 

 

ETA: on a different note, since we are bringing up Maci's grandma...I actually don't think Maci's grandma gives her as much shit as Maci makes out...or if she does, it clearly isn't working because Maci's not listening. I think all the comments about her grandma were to save face- Maci isn't the one begging to get married, her grandma was the one pushing it. Maci is cool and laid back and not naggy. She's just pressuring Taylor to make an old woman happy. It has nothing to do with Maci being absolutely desperate to get married.

Edited October 24, 2016 by Tatum

[teapot]

16 minutes ago, Tatum said:

That is what pisses me off a lot. None of these girls are real prizes as far as morality, ambition, generosity, responsibility, and especially parenting (excepting Chelsea). Yet most of these girls have rabid fans insisting these women are all great moms who are just misunderstood or the victims of mean editing. Most of the girls except Farrah. People despise her. She's not meaner than Jenelle. She's not a worse parent than Leah (Messer). Her morals aren't any more ambiguous than any of the other girls we've seen abandoning their kids, beating their partners, stealing from their kids, sabotaging their kids' relationships with their fathers, etc. Yet Farrah is the most hated. I am pretty sure porn is the reason. Just so much hypocrisy not just from these girls, but their fans as well. 

I can only speak for myself, but the reason(s) that I hate Farrah is that I can't see any humanity in her.  Jenelle "cracks" from time to time and I can see her insecurity, and her almost pathological need to be loved, which almost makes me feel sorry for her.  (she's insanely selfish, no doubt, I would never want my daughter to end up like her;  I probs couldn't spend five minutes with her...although her escapades are fun to read about!)

Farrah is just kind of this...empty angry shell.  I get that she's had it rough (somehow?) and probably had/has to be, a la Teresa Guidice, but I can't see a single redeeming or human quality to her.  Also she thinks that she is completely above everyone (thinking about it, she probably doesn't think that at all and it's just a total façade that she's really good at) and that she doesn't have to follow the rules of society, employment, human interaction, or anything else.  I would assume that's part of why the other TM girls hate her so much.  It sucks that some people "get away" with everything while the rest of us are expected to go with the flow.

Edited October 24, 2016 by teapot

[DangerousMinds]

I hate Jenelle more than Farrah, just for the record.

[Tatum]

Just now, teapot said:

I can only speak for myself, but the reason(s) that I hate Farrah is that I can't see any humanity in here.  Jenelle "cracks" from time to time and I can see her insecurity, and her almost pathological need to be loved, which almost makes me feel sorry for her. 

See, I feel the opposite. Jenelle is the inhuman one to me.

[Uncle JUICE]

13 minutes ago, Tatum said:

See, I feel the opposite. Jenelle is the inhuman one to me.

Guys, can't we stop all this fighting and agree: they're BOTH the personification of a garbage barge on fire, crashing into another barge that's full of only hog shit and also on fire?