Spoiler Discussion Thread: The Sequel

[Trisha]

I’m wondering if Oliver’s hallucination in the raft with William when he tells him “Forget about me - go live your life and be happy” is going to parallel what happens in the flashforward when Oliver “abandons” him? It’ll be some self-sacrificing move to protect William from danger. 

[apinknightmare]

21 minutes ago, Trisha said:

I’m wondering if Oliver’s hallucination in the raft with William when he tells him “Forget about me - go live your life and be happy” is going to parallel what happens in the flashforward when Oliver “abandons” him? It’ll be some self-sacrificing move to protect William from danger. 

I think they want us to think that, but I can't imagine the ~abandonment is actually something that happens for any significant amount of time without someone talking him out of it.  

[way2interested]

I think part of that was also just for Oliver like the whole "if his dad only just told him he loves him and to go on and live a happy life instead of telling him to right his wrongs this whole thing wouldn't have happened" thing. Like, this was something Oliver wished would have happened instead of an actual parallel, but it could be both maybe.

[tv echo]

I guess "Sam Hackett" wasn't a fake name after all (see Ben Chase's Vimeo audition video in Spoilers thread).  I wonder if he's the mysterious new Green Arrow? 

Edited November 6, 2018 by tv echo

[Trisha]

2 hours ago, apinknightmare said:

I think they want us to think that, but I can't imagine the ~abandonment is actually something that happens for any significant amount of time without someone talking him out of it.  

Oh yeah, I think the Felicity death and the abandonment are both total fake-outs. I'm guessing William thinks they "abandoned" him but they really just faked their deaths in a self-sacrificing move to keep him safe. And it probably happened a few months before we jumped into the flash-forwards -- long enough for William to have had a relationship with a boyfriend fall apart because of his abandonment issues, but nowhere near the 20 years they're trying to imply. 

[bijoux]

Or we have Maya show up and roll her eyes at the abandonment story. Dude, come on, they put you in a boarding school for three months when you were 13. Are you still milking that? - Shut up, brat. 

[way2interested]

42 minutes ago, bijoux said:

Or we have Maya show up and roll her eyes at the abandonment story. Dude, come on, they put you in a boarding school for three months when you were 13. Are you still milking that? - Shut up, brat. 

And then just not joining in on this scavenger hunt out of sheer younger sibling attitude.

I'm wondering where her character fits in and only thinking of 2 possibilities: A) one of the anti-vigilante coppers who has to be convinced to help her family/the next gen team or B) that street fighter/thief who is staying out of everything and needs to be also convinced to help out kind of like William now

[jay741982]

1 hour ago, bijoux said:

Or we have Maya show up and roll her eyes at the abandonment story. Dude, come on, they put you in a boarding school for three months when you were 13. Are you still milking that? - Shut up, brat. 

I'll instantly Adore Maya If she said something like this lol. Having Her Mama's wit!

[Primal Slayer]

Ooooohhh snap son!

I think this is the first time all the female regulars get to work together in 1 scene (apart from when it was just Katie/Willa in S1)

[insomniadreams88]

I'm going to laugh if what Black Siren needs to "flex her muscles" as DA in 706 is amidst all those papers and Dinah or Felicity finds it at the end of 705.

[way2interested]

36 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

I'm going to laugh if what Black Siren needs to "flex her muscles" as DA in 706 is amidst all those papers and Dinah or Felicity finds it at the end of 705.

She read over them and suddenly has an idea on how to get Oliver out of prison! Just like last year!

I at least appreciate that this is initially coming from Felicity, which makes way more sense than BS just randomly trying to help Oliver out of the blue

[olicityfan25]

Yeah it's not going to make sense if Felicity is doing all the work (dirty or good) and then freaking BS gets him out. Nope don't want and I hope it doesn't happen. 

[Guest]

Can't say I really want Felicity working with Dinah and Laurel (although I kinda enjoyed Felicity/Laurel team-up in 704) but at least they are letting the female characters interact by themselves. So that's something I guess.

[tv echo]

Looks female to me...

[Morrigan2575]

Wow, that's such a clear shot, definitely a female..i actually thought it was Thea/Willa for a second

[bijoux]

It does look a bit like Willa around the eyes. Now, bringing Thea back would be a shocker among shockers. I don't expect that to ever happen.

[insomniadreams88]

I'm going to be shocked if it's not a woman now (and not Oliver's half-sister, really).

Also, if they try to go, "nope, it's Roy* (or any male character)," flood Beth and the writers' Twitters with this photo and "really?" 

*I do think they want people to think it's Roy right now and that's why we're getting all the flips and Dinah knew him in the future, so that it'll be a "shock" when it turns out to be Emiko Queen. 

[way2interested]

12 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

*I do think they want people to think it's Roy right now and that's why we're getting all the flips and Dinah knew him in the future, so that it'll be a "shock" when it turns out to be Emiko Queen. 

Yeah, they even have CH going "Who's the New Green Arrow????" and, if audiences do catch on that that's clearly at least a female stunt person and if they didn't want to keep KM more of a secret, I'd think they'd want people to think it's her as well.

[Featherhat]

I'm going to be shocked if it's someone other than Emiko Queen since that title came out really, they want a Thea replacement/possible awkward family member antagonist.

[insomniadreams88]

I just took a quick look at KM's likes on Twitter and the only Arrow ones I saw are EBR about Olicity, Arrow's tweet with the Oliver/William scene in 704 and someone's tweet about the flashforward story. 

I'll honestly be shocked if she's not playing Olicity's future daughter.

[way2interested]

710's about to wrap, hopefully then this week we can get at least one pic from EK or SA or something with Director David Ramsey.

[tv echo]

From Katherine McNamara article in the November 2018 issue of Bello Mag:

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"... Now on Arrow I get to continue my boxing and fighting skills in a whole new universe."

In Arrow, Katherine plays Maya, a fearless, street-smart fighter who comes from life in an underground fight club. "Maya's been raised in a really tough environment, so she's a product of that," Katherine explains. "She's not one to be intimidated, and not one to be messed with. It makes it fun for me as an actor because my character of Clary on Shadowhunters started out as very much an innocent, hopeful, optimistic person. Maya, on the other hand, is the antithesis of Clary. She's seen the dark side and she's forged by it. She's one to punch first and ask questions later."

Edited November 8, 2018 by tv echo

[Guest]

If Maya really is Olicity's daughter, this is only making me more depressed about the future if she's "seen the dark side and been forged by it." ?

[insomniadreams88]

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"Maya's been raised in a really tough environment, so she's a product of that"

There's maybe a 1% chance she's not in the flashforwards. More like .001% chance. 

[apinknightmare]

This is all making me wonder why people don’t just move to the next town over.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

There's maybe a 1% chance she's not in the flashforwards. More like .001% chance. 

I'm growing more and more certain she's their kid. Not just because the flashforwards provide them the chance to do that but Kat seems to only interact with CH and the actor who plays older William. Everything kind of adds up tbh.

[Featherhat]

21 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

If Maya really is Olicity's daughter, this is only making me more depressed about the future if she's "seen the dark side and been forged by it." ?

With the show being 100% committed to being so grim-dark right now, if she said anything less I'd be shocked, no matter how her (most likely) family tried to raise her or if her mother is really dead, father missing/dead (years ago/recently) or not. No one in that future can be innocent or hopeful, and I'm glad she's supposedly not like Clary, but yeah it's a bit depressing. 

14 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

This is all making me wonder why people don’t just move to the next town over.

They were doing that in S4 but maybe they stopped after DD was defeated? Not like Central, Hub or Bludhaven are much better. 

Edited November 8, 2018 by Featherhat

[way2interested]

Kind of sounds like 1) living the family life in Star City is hard (big shocker there) and 2) sounds like Olicity seem big on the idea of always fighting back from the stress of 7a (""""parallels""") and bestow that onto their kid, probably for good and bad (part of that "how decisions the characters make now affect the future 20+ years from now). Not really depressing sounding to me as much as regular drama

[Morrigan2575]

This whole dark, depressing the war never ends future reminds me a lot of Batman Beyond 

[Guest]

I've never expected or thought this show was going to be happy happy joy joy and I always thought they'd still be fighting for better in the future. But combined with the hell Oliver and Felicity and their family are going through in the present, having a bleak future just feels like too much at the moment. And saying Felicity is dead (and likely teasing that all season until they decide if it's true or not) doesn't help. 

[apinknightmare]

17 minutes ago, Featherhat said:

They were doing that in S4 but maybe they stopped after DD was defeated? Not like Central, Hub or Bludhaven are much better. 

I guess it just depends on what they have in the Glades that needs walled off. It’s not like they’ve taken over the whole city, they’re just keeping people out of a part of it. At that point, just go somewhere else FFS. 

[Chaser]

If Oliver isn't 'dead' with Felicity in the FF, I wonder if they are going to continue echo the present with Olicity. Like Felicity's storyline in 7a is trying to get Oliver back, maybe Future Oliver's storyline is about finding Felicity. 

Edited November 8, 2018 by Chaser

[way2interested]

22 minutes ago, Chaser said:

If Oliver isn't 'dead' with Felicity in the FF, I wonder if they are going to continuing echo the present with Olicity. Like Felicity's storyline in 7a is trying to get Oliver back, maybe Future Oliver's storyline is about finding Felicity. 

Then it's revealed that she "left" some notion of time ago, making William and possibly Maya think she abandoned them while Oliver's been searching this whole time (Oliver's part in "Felicity and Oliver just left you"), with Oliver dropping everything to go overboard like Felicity is doing now, while the other people think she's dead and thinks that they should all move on, also sounds familiar.

Edited November 8, 2018 by way2interested

[Featherhat]

2 hours ago, Angel12d said:

I've never expected or thought this show was going to be happy happy joy joy and I always thought they'd still be fighting for better in the future. But combined with the hell Oliver and Felicity and their family are going through in the present, having a bleak future just feels like too much at the moment. And saying Felicity is dead (and likely teasing that all season until they decide if it's true or not) doesn't help. 

I assume they've probably decided whether she's actually alive or not (though I guess that can change), when they'll actually reveal that is a different matter. Apart from anything else I don't think this show has the writing chops to pull off a bittersweet lovestory in the 2018 storyline whilst dealing with her death/finding her in the FFs for a long time

 

52 minutes ago, Chaser said:

If Oliver isn't 'dead' with Felicity in the FF, I wonder if they are going to continue echo the present with Olicity. Like Felicity's storyline in 7a is trying to get Oliver back, maybe Future Oliver's storyline is about finding Felicity. 

. That kind of paralleling would work for me. 

I have started to see a lot more "depressing torture porn" comments recently, so we aren't the only ones getting a bit bored of the 99% bleak tone. 

[way2interested]

8 minutes ago, Featherhat said:

I have started to see a lot more "depressing torture porn" comments recently, so we aren't the only ones getting a bit bored of the 99% bleak tone. 

""""""We"""""""

Tbh 517 was way more depressing torture porn than 704 was. This just had open ended scenarios that have possible dark turns that haven't or may not even be explored.

[SmallScreenDiva]

The Arrow FB page and Twitter show a lot of similar comments regarding how bleak and miserable the show has gotten so it’s definitely not just some people on this board reacting that way. 

[way2interested]

2 hours ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

The Arrow FB page and Twitter show a lot of similar comments regarding how bleak and miserable the show has gotten so it’s definitely not just some people on this board reacting that way. 

Didn't mean to imply that no one did or not a significant or even majority did, just that maybe not everyone agrees it's bleak or miserable or boring, making "we" incorrect.

[BkWurm1]

1 hour ago, way2interested said:

Didn't mean to imply that no one did or not a significant or even majority did, just that maybe not everyone agrees it's bleak or miserable or boring, making "we" incorrect.

Maybe it's a royal we?  Lol. 

@Featherhat, are you secretly Queen Elizabeth?  Don't answer that.  Just let me believe she's an Olicity fan.  

[Featherhat]

8 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Maybe it's a royal we?  Lol. 

@Featherhat, are you secretly Queen Elizabeth?  Don't answer that.  Just let me believe she's an Olicity fan.  

Well I am British.....

I was mainly using it in the context of @Angel12d myself and others who had expressed it in various threads over the last couple of days. I should have been clearer, did not mean to include all posters here. Just noting that it seems a lot of Arrow fan places and reviews seem to be thumbs down on the misery going on in every storyline, even as they praise some of the performances and potential future storylines. If there was a Josh Segarra type around it might work for me more, but this because of 3D, nahhh...

Edited November 8, 2018 by Featherhat

[Guest]

I've also seen lots of comments about not liking the endless misery. Doesn't mean I'm saying everyone feels the same, just to say it is more than just a few of us here.

[Mellowyellow]

hehe I always say we when I talk about my fellow shippers. I am vaguely aware there are non shippers who watch the show but they don't count in my universe =P

I'm kinda torn on this whole miserable thing. On one had if Maya is the Olicitot then the show is continuing it's tradition of give with one hand and take with the other by making everyone miserable in the future. On the other hand it's a comic show on the CW written by chumps. I should probably know better than to watch it and complain! I guess this is why I am oddly less pissed than usual.

I'll probably be pissed if Olicity aren't together anymore in the future cuz that's all I care about really. If it's a tragic love story as long as it's super epic I can kinda stomach that after years of chinese series training! 

I do wonder if they'll make it ambiguous whether Olicity still love each other or not. Wouldn't put it past these idiots.

[insomniadreams88]

9 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

I do wonder if they'll make it ambiguous whether Olicity still love each other or not. Wouldn't put it past these idiots.

Considering everything they're doing for each other and their family in the present, I really can't see them doing that. 

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

I'll probably be pissed if Olicity aren't together anymore in the future cuz that's all I care about really. If it's a tragic love story as long as it's super epic I can kinda stomach that after years of chinese series training! 

I do wonder if they'll make it ambiguous whether Olicity still love each other or not. Wouldn't put it past these idiots.

If Felicity is alive but Olicity aren't together anymore in the future and Oliver's with someone else, that is my limit. I will be done. It'll be over for me. Teasing this crap 7 seasons in is just too much. I'm not here for it. But that's not to say that's what is gonna happen, just that's something I personally won't stick around to watch.

I'm hoping they won't go there though, especially as they've done everything to cement Olicity as a married couple and both doing whatever it takes for their family. If that changes in the future, it makes the present a little meaningless and pointless.

[Mellowyellow]

2 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

If Felicity is alive but Olicity aren't together anymore in the future and Oliver's with someone else, that is my limit. I will be done. It'll be over for me. Teasing this crap 7 seasons in is just too much. I'm not here for it. But that's not to say that's what is gonna happen, just that's something I personally won't stick around to watch.

I'm hoping they won't go there though, especially as they've done everything to cement Olicity as a married couple and both doing whatever it takes for their family. If that changes in the future, it makes the present a little meaningless and pointless.

Oh I am 500% with you on this.

Honestly I would delete every fanfic and peace out. 

[KenyaJ]

That means David's directing debut is up next. I hope we get some good BTS photos. 

[insomniadreams88]

Haven't watched yet, but I continue to be shocked by the CW releasing clips early. 

[apinknightmare]

Poor bb isn't going to like what she finds when she goes to see Oliver. 

[insomniadreams88]

I'm just picturing some random person who works in the office stopping by and asking Black Siren to look up something on the computer in front of her or going to move the computer to the side to show her something in a file, and Black Siren going, "No! I can't touch it! Don't touch it!" 

I am surprised that I don't totally hate the Felicity/Black Siren scenes this season, and I think it's partly because I'm just glad someone else other than Felicity is focused on Diaz.

[Guest]

This Felicity/Laurel dynamic is still working for them. I don’t know how I feel about that. ?

[apinknightmare]

1 minute ago, Angel12d said:

This Felicity/Laurel dynamic is still working for them. 

Yeah - I like it, their personalities go well together.