S10.E15: Wigging Out

[Rap541]

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The truth is that Bethenny lied and this guy stepped up to clear the air and defend himself after she tried to make him look like he was chasing her.

We are talking about the guy who was on camera telling Bethenny he only came to the speed dating event because he wanted to be with her, right? Because honestly, I took that to mean he was chasing her, especially when he pointedly insisted he was there solely to get her attention. Honestly, I found him to be a tad creepy at that point, no text messages needed.

This is one reason why I am not currently thinking his every word about how things went down are holy written truths. I'm also sorta surprised that a guy who basically begged bethenny frankel on tv for attention is such a favorite ;)

eta - if he had previously been in contact with Bethenny prior to the speed dating then wasn't his entire performance for her at the speed dating a lie?

Edited July 24, 2018 by Rap541

[AnnA]

3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I say this based on HER history of lying, exaggerating to the point of lying and placing blame on others when it lies squarely on her. Heck, she even contradicted herself/her own story during the episode. LOL

She's a Bravo HW.

Edited July 24, 2018 by AnnA

[Happy Camper]

2 minutes ago, AnnA said:

We think we know what happened but we can't be sure.   I get where you're coming from regarding Bethenny.   She exaggerates.  She lies.   She's a Bravo HW. I also think Red Scarf is an attention whore wanna be Bravolebrity and  will say anything in an attempt to make himself look better than he did at speed dating.   

Agree to disagree on this one, AnnA. :-) 

I am just thinking that Bethenny likely wishes that she never read those texts out loud now.

[AnnA]

4 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

We are talking about the guy who was on camera telling Bethenny he only came to the speed dating event because he wanted to be with her, right? Because honestly, I took that to mean he was chasing her, especially when he pointedly insisted he was there solely to get her attention. Honestly, I found him to be a tad creepy at that point, no text messages needed.

This is one reason why I am not currently thinking his every word about how things went down are holy written truths. I'm also sorta surprised that a guy who basically begged bethenny frankel on tv for attention is such a favorite ;)

eta - if he had previously been in contact with Bethenny prior to the speed dating then wasn't his entire performance for her at the speed dating a lie?

Exactly!

He's a player. 

1 minute ago, Happy Camper said:

Agree to disagree on this one, AnnA. :-) 

I am just thinking that Bethenny likely wishes that she never read those texts out loud now.

OK that works for me. 

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, AnnA said:

We think we know what happened but we can't be sure.   I get where you're coming from regarding Bethenny.   She exaggerates.  She lies.   She's a Bravo HW. I also think Red Scarf is an attention whore wanna be Bravolebrity and  will say anything in an attempt to make himself look better than he did at speed dating.   

How do you come to the conclusion that he is an "attention whore" or that he wants to become a "Bravolebrity"? He did a friend a favor to help promote her matchmaking business, appeared on the show 1 time, that's all. Had Bethenny not lied about him on camera to make herself look most desirable and Carole less than, settling for leftovers, he would not have had to defend himself.

 

1 minute ago, AnnA said:

She's a Bravo HW.

She claims she tells the truth but we all know that is yet another lie. IMO, she lies as much as Sonja/Ramona, just about different things. 

[Mozelle]

Brian and Bethenny seemed to be bantering back and forth at the speed dating event. He asks if he can sit next to her, she quips back asking if he wants a blow job then agrees that he can sit next to her. He tells her he heard she would be there. She comments that it's a great way to pursue someone, knowing that they'll be at a particular event. He goes along and says he did it to spend time with her. That, to me, seems like they're both flirting with each other. The issue seems to be now, though, that Bethenny tried to play it very differently once they were in Colombia. She made it seem as though he had been badgering her and that she didn't want him. What it looks like, though, is that she tried to follow up after the speed dating event, and that it just didn’t  happen because of schedule conflicts (and perhaps because he said something nice about Carole?).

Bethenny is smart. I think she knew by the time they all arrived in Cartagena that Carole and Brian had gone to dinner, and she had to get out in front of the story, so to speak.

Also, let's remember: the speed dating episode happened two weeks ago, and we didn't hear a peep out of Red Scarf Baron after that episode. Only after Bethenny's lies and exaggeration did he speak up. 

3 hours ago, film noire said:

LOL 

Frankel lied (as she always does about everything, large or small) but got caught redhanded this time, and now she looks even more unstable than usual. She turned a guy pleasantly interested in her (at best) into a dude supposedly chasing her & peppering her with texts (hey...wait a minute) but in the end, he hung with Carole, not Frankel, and that's scorched earth time to Bethy the bully.

eta: He's got some gorgeous kids:

 

I went and trawled his IG, too! I had the same thought as well. His kids are gorgeous. 

Edited July 24, 2018 by Mozelle

[Happy Camper]

11 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

How do you come to the conclusion that he is an "attention whore" or that he wants to become a "Bravolebrity"? He did a friend a favor to help promote her matchmaking business, appeared on the show 1 time, that's all. Had Bethenny not lied about him on camera to make herself look most desirable and Carole less than, settling for leftovers, he would not have had to defend himself.

 

She claims she tells the truth but we all know that is yet another lie. IMO, she lies as much as Sonja/Ramona, just about different things. 

Judging by his Instagram, RSG is just letting this slide off his shoulders. He had fun with the speed dating and now he is just carrying on being fabulous Red Scarf Guy.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Happy Camper

[AnnA]

10 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

How do you come to the conclusion that he is an "attention whore" or that he wants to become a "Bravolebrity"? He did a friend a favor to help promote her matchmaking business, appeared on the show 1 time, that's all. Had Bethenny not lied about him on camera to make herself look most desirable and Carole less than, settling for leftovers, he would not have had to defend himself.

 

She claims she tells the truth but we all know that is yet another lie. IMO, she lies as much as Sonja/Ramona, just about different things. 

This is his second try at being on a reality TV show.   Who does that?

And we don't know if he's really friends with that woman or one of her frequent speed daters.

Surprise!  They ALL lie!

And not for nothing but take a good at Bethenny and Carole.   

[SweetieDarling]

3 minutes ago, AnnA said:

This is his second try at being on a reality TV show.   Who does that?

Bethenny was on 5 (?) others and a talk show, does that count?

Edited July 24, 2018 by SweetieDarling
I forgot about The Apprentice, and Shark Tank

[Happy Camper]

2 minutes ago, AnnA said:

This is his second try at being on a reality TV show.   Who does that?

Maybe he will end up on a reality show. What's wrong with that? Everyone starts somewhere.

[Rap541]

I don't think *anyone* is saying Bethenny isn't a reality show whore. ;)

[AnnA]

Just now, SweetieDarling said:

Bethenny was on 3 and a talk show, does that count?

Yes she was and is...

   ...but he's still trying and wearing a ridiculous red scarf while doing it. 

2 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

Maybe he will end up on a reality show. What's wrong with that? Everyone starts somewhere.

Nothing.   I was responding to how do I know he's a wanna be.

[Happy Camper]

1 minute ago, AnnA said:

Yes she was and is...

   ...but he's still trying and wearing a ridiculous red scarf while doing it. 

Bethenny participated in soft porn. Do we hold that against her?

[AnnA]

1 minute ago, Happy Camper said:

Bethenny participated in soft porn. Do we hold that against her?

Only if you want to.

[WireWrap]

9 minutes ago, AnnA said:

This is his second try at being on a reality TV show.   Who does that?

And we don't know if he's really friends with that woman or one of her frequent speed daters.

Surprise!  They ALL lie!

And not for nothing but take a good at Bethenny and Carole.   

Yes, he was going to do a reality show, one about his business, not his personal life. There is no reason to not take him at his word that the woman is a friend because he hasn't shown us that he lied at any time, unlike Bethenny who lied numerous times about the guy/their text exchange. Bethenny is THE expert at it though, lying that is.

Carole isn't claiming she only tells the truth, THE only HWs that have said that were Brandi (BH) and Bethenny. LOL

 

9 minutes ago, AnnA said:

Yes she was and is...

   ...but he's still trying and wearing a ridiculous red scarf while doing it. 

Nothing.   I was responding to how do I know he's a wanna be.

He wore the red scarf because it was winter in NYC and freezing outside. I haven't seen any photos of him wearing said scarf other than in the winter. LOL

[Happy Camper]

I don't have a twitter account but if I did I would pop myself a huge bowl of popcorn and be live tweeting with RSG throughout the entire reunion. LoL!

Oh, what fun we would have.

[AnnA]

17 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, he was going to do a reality show, one about his business, not his personal life. There is no reason to not take him at his word that the woman is a friend because he hasn't shown us that he lied at any time, unlike Bethenny who lied numerous times about the guy/their text exchange. Bethenny is THE expert at it though, lying that is.

Carole isn't claiming she only tells the truth, THE only HWs that have said that were Brandi (BH) and Bethenny. LOL

 

He wore the red scarf because it was winter in NYC and freezing outside. I haven't seen any photos of him wearing said scarf other than in the winter. LOL

"He hasn't shown us that he lied at any time".  Big Whoop!   He was on tv for all of three minutes.

I don't pay attention to everything the HWs say and don't watch most of them but I'm pretty sure LVP and Kyle have made the I don't lie claim too.  I'm sure there are others.

Yes it was winter in NYC and it was freezing OUTSIDE.  They were filming INSIDE.

Edited July 24, 2018 by AnnA

[Rap541]

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Bethenny is THE expert at it though, lying that is.

Heheheh I don't know why you think she's such an expert when you claim to constantly catch her at it. That's not every expert at all... ;)

[film noire]

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OMG!   Bethenny exaggerated?

She didn't just exaggerate, she lied. 

And in that lie, she also tried to smear him as "Tom 2.0"  rather than accept the truth - that in the end, he just wasn't that into Frankel, but was into having lunch with Carole. That man (as pleasant as he was to her) became the enemy only because he didn't want to date Bethenny -- not because he's a fame whore or Tom 2.0 or a serial killer whose signature is a red scarf left at the scene of the crime -- just because he said yes to Carole, and no to Frankel. 

Edited July 24, 2018 by film noire

[film noire]

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Bethenny participated in soft porn. 

Ahem, excuse me, Happy Camper: not just porn, but (per Ramona) porn on a waterbed.

 

~and it was ramona's scorn for that waterbed porn that drove her to let frankel eat the fish! 

Edited July 24, 2018 by film noire

[Rap541]

I'm sorry, weren't water beds designed solely for porn?

I mean, my mom said so....

[AnnA]

18 minutes ago, film noire said:

She didn't just exaggerate, she lied. 

And in that lie, she also tried to smear him as "Tom 2.0"  rather than accept the truth - that in the end, he just wasn't that into Frankel, but was into having lunch with Carole. That man (as pleasant as he was to her) became the enemy only because he didn't want to date Bethenny -- not because he's a fame whore or Tom 2.0 or a serial killer whose signature is a red scarf left at the scene of the crime -- just because he said yes to Carole, and no to Frankel. 

Hmmm?     That must be why he told Bethenny on national TV that he went there to see her.   Yeah!   That's the ticket!

[film noire]

2 hours ago, AnnA said:

Hmmm?     That must be why he told Bethenny on national TV that he went there to see her.  

Yes, he was very pleasant to her -- they bantered (I guess in Bethenny's world, offering to suck a man's dick is witty banter?) and they flirted -- but in the end, he backed away from her and towards Carole.

And it's understandable why Frankel was hurt. Her last relationship was with a dumpy married loanshark (who, imo,  looks like a zit about to pop -- fitting due to his repulsive 'career') and not a handsome single man -- but that didn't give her the right to trash him, or age-shame, insult and attack Carole for receiving a "consolation prize" (especially when the opposite is true). That's what a vicious little ten year old brat does, not a mature woman nearing fifty.  

Edited July 25, 2018 by film noire

[Natalie68]

On 7/23/2018 at 11:55 AM, bagger said:

I think she’s broke and trying to land the whale. She said on wwhl that Scott was paying for the $30k a month apartment.

There was some blind item that people were guessing was Tinsley.  It talked about the father blowing through all the family money, the mother living in a condo, and the reality star's divorce $ almost gone plus her excessive spending trying to keep up the front.  I can see it

[Natalie68]

16 hours ago, smores said:

If I'm in a villa with private chefs and wait staff, then I kind of would expect that the meal wouldn't just be sitting around for hours and then shoved into a microwave when we're sitting at a table.  I may be off base, but I can't imagine fish soup is like chili where people can just wander in and out and eat at their leisure.

Bethenny IS the one who is responsible for knowing what is in the food, no one has argued that.  But, I will say that I know one of my friends is allergic to nuts, another shellfish, one is allergic to dairy, etc.  So, if I'm out with them, I make sure that I point out something that they aren't able to eat (or if I'm unsure).  I've been known to break apart cookies to make sure there were no nuts, etc.  I don't think it's my job to police what they eat, but, if I'm eating something and realize it has nuts in it and I can give my friend a heads up before she takes a bite?  I'm going to.  

My opinion is that yes, B should have said something.  If R knew, then she should have told B.  The whole brouhaha at Dorinda's the 1st season she was on was about B's allergy to fish and what the hell was she going to eat which ended up with tears, Heather being mad, etc so her allergy was not a secret but it wouldn't surprise me if people forgot.  Had *I* been the hostess of the trip going to a rented villa with a chef and a bunch of coworkers, I would have asked everyone to send me their list of allergies so I could forward it to the house manager.  Problem solved.

[AnnA]

34 minutes ago, film noire said:

Yes, he was very pleasant to her -- they bantered (I guess in Bethenny's world, offering to suck a man's dick is witty banter?) and they flirted -- but in the end, he backed away from her and towards Carole.

And it's understandable why Frankel was hurt -- her last relationship was with a dumpy married loanshark who looks like a zit about to pop, not a handsome single man -- but that didn't give her the right to trash him, or age-shame, insult and attack Carole for receiving a "consolation prize" (especially when the opposite is true). That's what a vicious little ten year brat does, not a mature woman nearing fifty.  

I'm Team Bethenny but I hate that she said that.    I don't think that's being cool.     I enjoy her quick wit and smart ass remarks but sometimes I cringe at the things she says.  However, that doesn't change the fact that he said he was there to see Bethenny.  We all have our own opinions but we can't have our own facts.   That's what he said.

We'll have to agree to disagree about Carole.   I do think she was a consolation prize if that.  

[Mozelle]

What “own” facts are there? RSG said he was there to see Bethenny because he was flirting. Bethenny was flirting back in her Bethenny way. They were flirting with each other. None of that meant that he was about to jump into a full-fledged relationship because they flirted at a speed dating event. 

The idea that there would be “consolation” prizes among 40- and 50-somethings who’ve been in previous marriages and relationships also tickles me. Bethenny and this guy had a lunch at some point (months?) before the speed dating event, and after the event tried to meet up again but it didn’t work out. She doesn’t have ownership over the guy because of that (any more than Ramona had ownership over Tom after a date or two). But because he was able to have a successful meet up with Carole, now it’s a consolation? Funny.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Mozelle

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, AnnA said:

"He hasn't shown us that he lied at any time".  Big Whoop!   He was on tv for all of three minutes.

I don't pay attention to everything the HWs say and don't watch most of them but I'm pretty sure LVP and Kyle have made the I don't lie claim too.  I'm sure there are others.

Yes it was winter in NYC and it was freezing OUTSIDE.  They were filming INSIDE.

Exactly! He hasn't shown himself to be a liar but Bethenny has. 

Neither LisaV or Kyle have ever claimed they "never lie", that they "always tell the truth", that was Brandi on the BH show and it IS Bethenny on the NY show. 

I keep my scarf on inside when I am shopping, having lunch/dinner out because it is easier and scarves tend to fall off the coat when you remove both. It is easier/safer to just leave the scarf on when you will be needing to put it back on in a couple of hours. 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

2 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

I don't have a twitter account but if I did I would pop myself a huge bowl of popcorn and be live tweeting with RSG throughout the entire reunion. LoL!

Oh, what fun we would have.

OH this must happen! #RSG #RicoScarfA

18 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I keep my scarf on inside when I am shopping, having lunch/dinner out because it is easier and scarves tend to fall off the coat when you remove both. It is easier/safer to just leave the scarf on when you will be needing to put it back on in a couple of hours. 

Gawd I hope Carole wore a red scarf to reunion. 

[AnnA]

40 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Exactly! He hasn't shown himself to be a liar but Bethenny has. 

Neither LisaV or Kyle have ever claimed they "never lie", that they "always tell the truth", that was Brandi on the BH show and it IS Bethenny on the NY show. 

I keep my scarf on inside when I am shopping, having lunch/dinner out because it is easier and scarves tend to fall off the coat when you remove both. It is easier/safer to just leave the scarf on when you will be needing to put it back on in a couple of hours. 

If red scarf was telling the truth then he did go to speed dating to meet up with Bethenny like he said on national tv.

All the HWs lie.

It's been my experience that people remove their scarf when they're going to eat or drink because it gets in the way, especially the way RSG had it looped.  It's easy to stuff the scarf into the sleeve of your coat so it doesn't get lost.

Edited July 25, 2018 by AnnA

[ButterQueen]

How many episodes are left?  I hate to see this franchise end....it’s my favorite. 

[CharlizeCat]

Sorry. I don't get the appeal at all of RSG. 

I thought the first group of texts from B to RSG that were sent at 6 a.m. were referring to meeting for lunch in Miami from a much earlier time period. (But I didn't look at dates.) It seemed to me like there was a series of texts from her to him IRT trying to coordinate a time for that. Then there were the texts between the two about Ramona hijacking the Uber after speed dating. There is a texting gap between the two events. Unless I am misinterpreting.

It really is irrelevant. Bethenney should have just left things lie. (Who, Bethenney?) Now she has presented herself as lying and being annoyed/jealous that RSG enjoyed Carole's company and there's the possibility of a follow-up date (or more.)

[Happy Camper]

My to do list for tomorrow:

Purchase one red scarf to wear during RHNY Reunion viewing.

Check.

[film noire]

13 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

My to do list for tomorrow:

Purchase one red scarf to wear during RHNY Reunion viewing.

...found you the perfect one ; )

 

Edited July 25, 2018 by film noire

[SuprSuprElevated]

[BodhiGurl]

I wonder if RS wore the RS because, SkinnyGirl... Red... Hmmm...

ROFLOL... ;)

[Happy Camper]

3 minutes ago, film noire said:

...Found you the perfect one! ; )

 

Thanks but I think I will swipe left on that one,

7 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

You won the interwebs today. The rest of us can go home now.

[AnnA]

6 hours ago, Rap541 said:

Yeah and wasn't Rico Scarf-A an innocent lil babe at 52 who ain't never seen a Real HouseWife, and had NO IDEA what he was walking into but managed to get screen time with three wives AND managed to "save the receipts" and get those receipts together so he can get himself interviewed AFTER? 

But he's the trustworthy one who unwittingly fell into the nest of vipers! Just an innocent man who is so unsophisticated he had NO IDEA  about the show and yet... oh wait, scoring an interview with receipts attached is actually pretty famewhorey and sophisticated and attention seeking.... but we all better trust his word since he's a babe in the woods, wide eyed and pure!

Ha ha - funny post.   How did I miss it earlier?   

I'm sure it was purely happenstance that he wore a bright red winter scarf and left it on while indoors so he wouldn't be noticed by the cameras.    

Speaking of being noticed.........he didn't notice or even acknowledge Carole existed until the matchmaker called him to set them up.    If he had the slightest interest in Carole, he would have hit on her at the speed dating event.    

[bagger]

8 hours ago, AnnA said:

Those Red Baron texts are meaningless. 

There's no way of knowing if they're even real.

And if the "big deal" is the possible lunch date - so what?

THank you!!!! I was trying to figure out what the smoking gun might be in there. For a second I thought my ESOL was kicking in.

[sarivon]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

 

Neither LisaV or Kyle have ever claimed they "never lie", that they "always tell the truth", that was Brandi on the BH show and it IS Bethenny on the NY show. 

 

Yes they have, you're just not remembering.

[Happy Camper]

2 minutes ago, AnnA said:

I'm sure it was purely happenstance that he wore a bright red winter scarf and left it on while indoors so he wouldn't be noticed by the cameras.

It's called Branding. Not a bad thing. Apparently it works. 

[AnnA]

1 minute ago, sarivon said:

Yes they have, you're just not remembering.

Thank you.  I thought so too!

1 minute ago, Happy Camper said:

It's called Branding. Not a bad thing. Apparently it works. 

You're right.   He did it on purpose to get on TV. 

[bagger]

5 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

 

briankrauss@alifethatyoulove Hi. Appreciate the comment :) All I can say is that I have zero interest in Bethenny. The more I got to know her, the less interesting and attractive she became.

LOL just asked mr bagger what he thought of the quote above without reading the name. He said the guy sounds bitter. If you’re not interested in a woman you just say so, you do not speak ill of her, “The more I got to know her, the less interesting and attractive she became.”

 

i thought he sounded like a douche

[Happy Camper]

4 minutes ago, AnnA said:

Thank you.  I thought so too!

You're right.   He did it on purpose to get on TV. 

Yes. He did and it worked.

[bagger]

4 hours ago, WireWrap said:

How do you come to the conclusion that he is an "attention whore" or that he wants to become a "Bravolebrity"? 

I may be misremembering but someone upthread said this was not his first exposure to reality tv and if he doesn’t want the attention, why go public? Why give these “lies” more life? IRL if someone says something about me, someone who is in the periphery of my existence I give it no credence. I don’t even think of it again.

however, here is this red scarf guy who was merely doing a favor for a friend and appearing on tv, oh making sure he had interaction with the housewives, he wasn’t just filler for the party making a public statement. He’s my BEC if he doesn’t want some sort of notoriety he would have laughed and moved it along.

[BodhiGurl]

11 minutes ago, bagger said:

LOL just asked mr bagger what he thought of the quote above without reading the name. He said the guy sounds bitter. If you’re not interested in a woman you just say so, you do not speak ill of her, “The more I got to know her, the less interesting and attractive she became.”

 

i thought he sounded like a douche

Exactly. Had Carole snarked about him he would not be singing her praises either. That statement he made about BF was unnecessary. I would have respected him had he just left it at he bonded with Carole. Period. End of story. IMO of course.

Edited July 25, 2018 by BodhiGurl
expanded my thought

[Otherkate]

5 hours ago, Ki-in said:

Are the time stamps for real? Did she text this guy at 6 in the morning? Who does that?  Those texts seem like a big nothing to me. Just a bunch of text tag. If he really was interested he would have made it happen.

I don't get it either.

4 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

Bethenny was on 5 (?) others and a talk show, does that count?

Bethenny is a total reality tv famewhore. Who has disputed that?

4 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

Bethenny participated in soft porn. Do we hold that against her?

I'm not sure what it has to do with whether or not someone is a reality tv famewhore, but I don't hold it against her.

[Happy Camper]

2 minutes ago, Otherkate said:

I'm not sure what it has to do with whether or not someone is a reality tv famewhore, but I don't hold it against her.

Exactly. I don't hold anything against Red Scarf Guy.

[biakbiak]

44 minutes ago, bagger said:

LOL just asked mr bagger what he thought of the quote above without reading the name. He said the guy sounds bitter. If you’re not interested in a woman you just say so, you do not speak ill of her, “The more I got to know her, the less interesting and attractive she became.”

 

i thought he sounded like a douche

That’s similiar to what B said about him on the show so I guess they are both bitter.

[bagger]

Just now, biakbiak said:

That’s similiar to what B said about him on the show so I guess they are both bitter.

NO one said she wasn’t, in fact I was only opining on a quote attributed to RSG.  

I will stipulate that Bethenny is an exaggerator, she’s bitter, she’s petty, she’s arrogant, she’s a fame whore, she’s probably an all around shifty human being but I still love to watch her and I’m still going to say RSG is a douche but that’s just my opinion.

oh and there are still a whole host of things about Bethenny that are not complimentary that I would stipulate to but I just can’t seem to think of what those might be.