S10.E15: Wigging Out

[AnnA]

9 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Well, actually, we can only speak for ourselves.  I don't believe Ro is capable of not saying anything on purpose. 

I think we're saying the same thing.

[AnnA]

1 hour ago, VedaPierce said:

Why does she not carry an epi pen? I had a reaction to mercury in mahi once and carried an epi pen for 5 years. That’s weird that she doesn’t carry one, especially in a foreign country...looking at her through squinty eyes...

We don't know if she does or not.     She only had one taste of the soup so maybe she didn't need to use it.   Or maybe she used it and they didn't show it. 

1 hour ago, weaver said:

Nope.  Atlanta had highest ratings of them all for many years.   For now I checked this week only, and OC topped NY.  

That could be because it was the season premier.

The house porn could be a factor too.

[CharlizeCat]

I believe that Ramona is vain, self-absorbed and has a mean girl streak a mile long. However, I don't see her as being intentionally malicious in that she would purposely let a "friend" risk becoming seriously ill under any circumstances. 

That look the chef threw her when she said she looked so "ageless" was priceless!  I also agree with those who think she was exaggerating her ankle injury. Sure, she may have popped it or twisted it, but if it was so bad that she needed a wheelchair, she should have stayed home with a legitimate medical excuse from a doctor.  It made for good drama and attention and was the perfect excuse to have to avoid wearing and being seen in dreaded FLATS. She should have borrowed Dorinda's gladiator monstrosities as they would have given Ramona perfect ankle support! LOL!

[Jel]

16 minutes ago, Higgins said:

I don't believe Ramona intended for Bethenny to have an allergic reaction. I just don't.

I don't either. It's too horrible to me to think that she did.

[SuprSuprElevated]

11 minutes ago, AnnA said:

We don't know if she does or not.     She only had one taste of the soup so maybe she didn't need to use it.   Or maybe she used it and they didn't show it. 

I'm going to take the leap that if she carried one on the trip, using it would have been preferential to writhing on a dirty bathroom floor.

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

12 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

She should have borrowed Dorinda's gladiator monstrosities as they would have given Ramona perfect ankle support! LOL!

Thanks for the smile! I don’t think I’ve ever done that (smiled) whilst considering Ramona before. I’d like to take a mo to thank y’all + PTV for being here. I’ve quoted several interesting comments on life in general that have come from our discussions, and best of all, I no longer am a RHONY watcher in secret! I tell my friends & family:

We’re here,

we watch half a dozen or so crazy rich women misbehave,

get used to it! 

Edited July 23, 2018 by BckpckFullaNinjas

[SuprSuprElevated]

10 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

I believe that Ramona is vain, self-absorbed and has a mean girl streak a mile long. However, I don't see her as being intentionally malicious in that she would purposely let a "friend" risk becoming seriously ill under any circumstances. 

That look the chef threw her when she said she looked so "ageless" was priceless!  I also agree with those who think she was exaggerating her ankle injury. Sure, she may have popped it or twisted it, but if it was so bad that she needed a wheelchair, she should have stayed home with a legitimate medical excuse from a doctor.  It made for good drama and attention and was the perfect excuse to have to avoid wearing and being seen in dreaded FLATS. She should have borrowed Dorinda's gladiator monstrosities as they would have given Ramona perfect ankle support! LOL!

Yes, that limp was fakery.  People with genuine injuries don't walk with the sideways Frankenstein clomp.  She's just so ridiculous.  Probably read about the cobblestone streets in advance, and schemed a way to need a wheelchair, since you know, stilettos are all she wears.  Wouldn't put it past her.  Not for a second.

[weaver]

Theis article shows the top 100 shows of 2017 -2018 in the prime 18 to 49 age demographic.  Atlanta and BH are the only two HW shows on the list.

 

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/most-watched-tv-shows-2017-2018-season-roseanne-this-is-us-walking-dead-1201968306/

 

And here is is an article talking about Bethenny's effect on the ratings.

 

https://realityblurb.com/2018/05/09/bethenny-frankel-takes-credit-for-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-ratings-boost-but-did-they-really-go-up/

Edited July 23, 2018 by weaver

[WireWrap]

22 minutes ago, weaver said:

Theis article shows the top 100 shows of 2017 -2018 in the prime 18 to 49 age demographic.  Atlanta and BH are the only two HW shows on the list.

 

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/most-watched-tv-shows-2017-2018-season-roseanne-this-is-us-walking-dead-1201968306/

 

And here is is an article talking about Bethenny's effect on the ratings.

 

https://realityblurb.com/2018/05/09/bethenny-frankel-takes-credit-for-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-ratings-boost-but-did-they-really-go-up/

One thing this author fails to take into consideration for the large drop in ratings was the 18 month long break between seasons. That was the reason ratings dropped, not because Bethenny was gone, or that Jill was gone, the show was off air for too long and some viewers moved on and never returned. But, the author was correct in pointing out that the ratings really haven't gone up much since Bethenny's return, what they gained, viewer wise, with her return, they also lost with her return. Also, with the exception of her first season, she hasn't been the focal HW on the show, that has been Luann, IMO.

[AnnA]

35 minutes ago, weaver said:

Theis article shows the top 100 shows of 2017 -2018 in the prime 18 to 49 age demographic.  Atlanta and BH are the only two HW shows on the list.

 

And the first sentence is about the networks wanting to replace the Nielsen ratings because they're out of date and don't reflect current viewing methods.   What a viewer watches on the one TV connected to a Nielsen box is no longer the  only game in town.   Families have more than one TV in their home, can watch on demand, DVR recorded shows, online and on myriad of devices.    

Edited July 23, 2018 by AnnA

[snarts]

11 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

B Frankel has 1.7 million followers on Instagram, Carole R has 683k followers, Ramona has 518k, Luann has 451k, Sonja has 518k (hmm, same as Ramona), Tinsley has 302k followers.  If it isn't viewers following, who then is it?  (Aside from any purchased followers that is).

Wow, I rarely pay attention to follower counts but your post made me wonder.  For comparison, Chelsea from Teen Mom 2 has 5.2 million followers.

Late to the episode party.  Bethenny was definitely a vacation buzzkill this episode.  Typical of her to drag everyone down when she's not feeling well.  Plus, so much of her purported drama is self-induced.  If she''d learn to live with the court ordered custody arrangement, stop moving every year, and eat a sandwich so she's not so hangry all the time, she'd be much happier.

That said, Carole was also acting like the prettiest girl at the prom for going out with red sweater guy. Way smug. I'd love to see her reaction to the guy's comments to Bethenny at the speed dating event.  He was definitely throwing game, and Carole's too proud to admit she fell for it.

Tinsley's idea for room assignments was great but it would've been far less confusing had she merely placed a box in each room before taking the ladies on the tour.

[bagger]

2 hours ago, Higgins said:

I don't believe Ramona intended for Bethenny to have an allergic reaction. I just don't.

I agree, mostly because I don’t believe that fish allergy even registered with Ramona. However, I can totally see how she’d get some satisfaction out of Bethenny getting sick. After all it was just a “minor” reaction. She wasn’t rushed to the hospital and no medical attention was really needed. 

Thats one of the things I can’t stand about her. I honestly believe that after the fact Ramona derived a little pleasure from B being ill even if just for a few hours.

[Lady of nod]

On 7/19/2018 at 8:10 PM, film noire said:

Me, too -- people live so much longer these days (and with greater health)  it makes no sense to see them as "old" at 65 - that means they're one stage of life for the next two to three decades (even if it's divided into "the youth/middle age/ old age of old age" category).

And (regardless of their ages) I think the repeated age-shaming from Frankel is as shabby as it gets (and nonsensical as well -- as if there aren't 28 year olds who have great depth, or seventy year olds who can't be light and frothy and silly about the men they're dating). 

Yes. Age shaming is ridiculous and hurtful. We're all going to be "old" if we're lucky. I'm old - and find it liberating. I wear what I want and do what I want and give zero fucks what anyone else thinks. Women can dress for themselves not others. If it makes you feel good wear it!

[SuprSuprElevated]

10 minutes ago, snarts said:

Wow, I rarely pay attention to follower counts but your post made me wonder.  For comparison, Chelsea from Teen Mom 2 has 5.2 million followers.

It's really hard to know with anyone, how many of these followers are genuine, and how many are hocus pocus.  Supposedly, Twitter, Instagram, etc., are trying to weed out the fake followers.  Hard to say.  None of these numbers look particularly out of whack to me.

[bagger]

9 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

It's really hard to know with anyone, how many of these followers are genuine, and how many are hocus pocus.  Supposedly, Twitter, Instagram, etc., are trying to weed out the fake followers.  Hard to say.  None of these numbers look particularly out of whack to me.

You also have to keep in mind the demographics of each show. It’s not rare on this site to have someone say I don’t follow twitter or Instagram or any other social media because our demographic skews older than a teen mom show. 

My kids are in their early twenties and late teens and they do it all and while they’ll watch the housewives with me they won’t follow them because they don’t give a crap about what a 40 or 50 something year old is up to in their day to day life.

Edited July 23, 2018 by bagger

[VedaPierce]

On 7/18/2018 at 10:03 PM, noveltylibrary said:

I really hate that B is so affected by not being friends with Carol.  Weak.

VERY affected, for sure! She wants her friendship back but can’t seem to get it back so resorts to being mean and petty-constantly calling out her age, her fashion choices, her slang-she’s awful. She’s trying desperately to get her attention like a naughty child, so that she can get some communication going with Carole, Carole won’t play that game, Bethenny falls apart. It’s probably the same twisted shit that went on with her mother. That’s why she can’t have a healthy relationship with anyone. She doesn’t know what it looks like. She will always recreate this dance with the people she loves. It’s sad really. 

Edited July 23, 2018 by VedaPierce

[AnnA]

19 minutes ago, bagger said:

You also have to keep in mind the demographics of each show. It’s not rare on this site to have someone say I don’t follow twitter or Instagram or any other social media because our demographic skews older than a teen mom show. 

My kids are in their early twenties and late teens and they do it all and while they’ll watch the housewives with me they won’t follow them because they don’t give a crap about what a 40 or 50 something year old is up to in their day to day life.

Good points!

I'm in the older demographic; use Twitter strictly for political activism and steer clear of Facebook and Instagram. I  don't trust Facebook and to me, Instagram is like being forced to look at someone's vacation photos.   There's no reason for me to follow any of them because I don't give a rat's ass what these women are up to in their day to day lives.  

[VedaPierce]

On 7/18/2018 at 10:07 PM, Fiero425 said:

Bethenny runs people off with her negativity! I know that feeling because I do it myself, but I don't inflict myself on my friends the way Bethenny does time and time again! She's just so catty! Poor Carole, Tinsley, and Dorinda having to deal with this hysterical woman! I have absolutely no sympathy for her! She wants people to feel sorry for her due to what Jason is supposedly doing! Bethenny's a liar and a serial exaggerator! I can't take ANYTHING she says seriously! ;-(

You’ll never run me off, Fiero! Mwah!! :)

[AnnA]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

One thing this author fails to take into consideration for the large drop in ratings was the 18 month long break between seasons. That was the reason ratings dropped, not because Bethenny was gone, or that Jill was gone, the show was off air for too long and some viewers moved on and never returned. But, the author was correct in pointing out that the ratings really haven't gone up much since Bethenny's return, what they gained, viewer wise, with her return, they also lost with her return. Also, with the exception of her first season, she hasn't been the focal HW on the show, that has been Luann, IMO.

I don't remember that 18 month break.   It was probably when Bethenny was gone and I stopped watching.

With her engagement, wedding, divorce, arrest and rehab you'd think LuAnn was the focal point but IMO she really wasn't.  The networks and sponsors don't rely solely on the Nielsen numbers which are outdated to make decisions.    They have sophisticated applications and algorithms to analyze SM data and determine who's generating a buzz.    I just tested that out with minimum search criteria.    I searched the LuAnn centric episode discussion thread, Arrest and Relaxation for the keywords Bethenny and LuAnn.   The results were surprising.  There were 190 posts mentioning Bethenny and only 90 posts mentioning LuAnn.    How do I know that?   The search results came back with 8 pages of posts for Bethenny and 4 pages for LuAnn.   25 posts per page and the last pages had 15 posts for both Bethenny and Luann.  (7 x 25 +15 = 190) and (3 x 25 + 15 = 90)

ETA:   I realize that many of the Bethenny posts were negative.   I don't consider Bethenny a villain but know that some HW fans do.    The network looks to see what interests the viewers and what they're talking about.   For now, the answer seems to be Bethenny. 

Edited July 23, 2018 by AnnA

[VedaPierce]

46 minutes ago, AnnA said:

Good points!

I'm in the older demographic; use Twitter strictly for political activism and steer clear of Facebook and Instagram. I  don't trust Facebook and to me, Instagram is like being forced to look at someone's vacation photos.   There's no reason for me to follow any of them because I don't give a rat's ass what these women are up to in their day to day lives.  

Right there with ya AnnA, and probably for the same reasons ;)

so over Facebook too

[Rap541]

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With her engagement, wedding, divorce, arrest and rehab you'd think LuAnn was the focal point but IMO she really wasn't.  

She wasn't the focus because she didn't want to be the focus and did her very best to avoid having to discuss these events in anything other than soft focused light. There was no mention of the divorce at last years reunion, because Luann kept it a secret. There will be no discussion, or light discussion at best of the divorce and drunken rampage at this year's reunion because Luann won't be attending. And the rehab? In order to not appear like complete raging assholes, as Luann is indeed playing the "I wasn't being a drunk entitled bitch screaming vulgarities because I thought I'd get my way, I *have a problem* and I am *trying* and so I am kinda sorta the *victim* so be nice!" game, no one can call Luann on her bad behavior. 

[AnnA]

29 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

She wasn't the focus because she didn't want to be the focus and did her very best to avoid having to discuss these events in anything other than soft focused light. There was no mention of the divorce at last years reunion, because Luann kept it a secret. There will be no discussion, or light discussion at best of the divorce and drunken rampage at this year's reunion because Luann won't be attending. And the rehab? In order to not appear like complete raging assholes, as Luann is indeed playing the "I wasn't being a drunk entitled bitch screaming vulgarities because I thought I'd get my way, I *have a problem* and I am *trying* and so I am kinda sorta the *victim* so be nice!" game, no one can call Luann on her bad behavior. 

I didn't think LuAnn was the focus either.  

I was responding to @WireWrap who said LuAnn was "the focal HW on the show."

 

34 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

Right there with ya AnnA, and probably for the same reasons ;)

so over Facebook too

I'm glad to hear it!    

Edited July 23, 2018 by AnnA

[Rap541]

Ah ok. Because honestly, this could have been the Luann show and wasn't. 

[Reality police]

Anyone else notice Tinsley talking about the Tiffany necklaces being silver? Stated she wanted to get gold but they weren't in her budget. Formerly living in a 10k hotel suite ( paid by her) and now in a 30k suite. It's not only the fish that smells.???????

[AnnA]

4 minutes ago, Reality police said:

Anyone else notice Tinsley talking about the Tiffany necklaces being silver? Stated she wanted to get gold but they weren't in her budget. Formerly living in a 10k hotel suite ( paid by her) and now in a 30k suite. It's not only the fish that smells.???????

Yeah and we're supposed to believe she rented the penthouse suite for Sonja.   What a crock!

Bravo is getting sloppy with its staging.

Edited July 23, 2018 by AnnA

[bagger]

10 minutes ago, Reality police said:

Anyone else notice Tinsley talking about the Tiffany necklaces being silver? Stated she wanted to get gold but they weren't in her budget. Formerly living in a 10k hotel suite ( paid by her) and now in a 30k suite. It's not only the fish that smells.???????

I think she’s broke and trying to land the whale. She said on wwhl that Scott was paying for the $30k a month apartment.

[Persnickety1]

4 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

I believe that Ramona is vain, self-absorbed and has a mean girl streak a mile long. However, I don't see her as being intentionally malicious in that she would purposely let a "friend" risk becoming seriously ill under any circumstances. 

That look the chef threw her when she said she looked so "ageless" was priceless!  I also agree with those who think she was exaggerating her ankle injury. Sure, she may have popped it or twisted it, but if it was so bad that she needed a wheelchair, she should have stayed home with a legitimate medical excuse from a doctor.  It made for good drama and attention and was the perfect excuse to have to avoid wearing and being seen in dreaded FLATS. She should have borrowed Dorinda's gladiator monstrosities as they would have given Ramona perfect ankle support! LOL!

Yeah, neither can I, and I loathe Ramona.

Not to mention the fact it would have been much more to her benefit to tell Bethenny because then she could have constantly reminded her about how she had saved her life in Colombia by preventing her from eating the deadly fish soup.

I love Bethenny *and* I love Frederick...but the two of them together?  I never watched because I knew it would be two very intense personalities and make my head explode.  

I'm really looking forward to the reunion and The Saga of the Red Scarf Man and His Texts.  

I agree that Carole seemed a little smitten by the doofus, and the right thing to do would have been to clue her in about his shenanigans with Ramona and with Bethenny so Carole could be fully informed that he might have some ulterior motive.  I just think there was a much better way Bethenny could have handled this rather than seeming angry at Carole.  At that point, I don't believe Carole knew about the situation with Ramona and the ditched Uber nor about his professing to Bethenny on camera that he had come to that event specifically to see her, so I'm not sure where Bethenny's apparent anger was coming from during the exchange.  I could see her eye rolling perhaps at Carole's naivete taking this dude at face value but not anger.  

I really need to watch that scene again and see how/why it went from casual conversation to dueling egos so quickly.

[WireWrap]

3 hours ago, snarts said:

Wow, I rarely pay attention to follower counts but your post made me wonder.  For comparison, Chelsea from Teen Mom 2 has 5.2 million followers.

Late to the episode party.  Bethenny was definitely a vacation buzzkill this episode.  Typical of her to drag everyone down when she's not feeling well.  Plus, so much of her purported drama is self-induced.  If she''d learn to live with the court ordered custody arrangement, stop moving every year, and eat a sandwich so she's not so hangry all the time, she'd be much happier.

That said, Carole was also acting like the prettiest girl at the prom for going out with red sweater guy. Way smug. I'd love to see her reaction to the guy's comments to Bethenny at the speed dating event.  He was definitely throwing game, and Carole's too proud to admit she fell for it.

Tinsley's idea for room assignments was great but it would've been far less confusing had she merely placed a box in each room before taking the ladies on the tour.

IMO, that's how Bethenny reacted, not Carole, Bethenny thought the guy only had eyes for her and then finds out her also had eyes for Carole. LOL She, Bethenny, got upset with Carole as soon as Carole told the others she/Brian had a 3 hour lunch and that she had a great time. 

2 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

VERY affected, for sure! She wants her friendship back but can’t seem to get it back so resorts to being mean and petty-constantly calling out her age, her fashion choices, her slang-she’s awful. She’s trying desperately to get her attention like a naughty child, so that she can get some communication going with Carole, Carole won’t play that game, Bethenny falls apart. It’s probably the same twisted shit that went on with her mother. That’s why she can’t have a healthy relationship with anyone. She doesn’t know what it looks like. She will always recreate this dance with the people she loves. It’s sad really. 

She hugs it out with Carole then refuses to allow Carole to ride to the spa with her, refuses to sit next to her at dinner, calls her names, age shames her, keeps talking (smack) about her behind her back to the others and then claims Carole is THE problem! That's Bethenny's MO, it is always someone else's fault, never, EVER, hers! 

1 hour ago, AnnA said:

I don't remember that 18 month break.   It was probably when Bethenny was gone and I stopped watching.

With her engagement, wedding, divorce, arrest and rehab you'd think LuAnn was the focal point but IMO she really wasn't.  The networks and sponsors don't rely solely on the Nielsen numbers which are outdated to make decisions.    They have sophisticated applications and algorithms to analyze SM data and determine who's generating a buzz.    I just tested that out with minimum search criteria.    I searched the LuAnn centric episode discussion thread, Arrest and Relaxation for the keywords Bethenny and LuAnn.   The results were surprising.  There were 190 posts mentioning Bethenny and only 90 posts mentioning LuAnn.    How do I know that?   The search results came back with 8 pages of posts for Bethenny and 4 pages for LuAnn.   25 posts per page and the last pages had 15 posts for both Bethenny and Luann.  (7 x 25 +15 = 190) and (3 x 25 + 15 = 90)

ETA:   I realize that many of the Bethenny posts were negative.   I don't consider Bethenny a villain but know that some HW fans do.    The network looks to see what interests the viewers and what they're talking about.   For now, the answer seems to be Bethenny. 

Yes, it happened after 2 years after Bethenny left the show. If you review the shows storyline, it has centered around Luann for the last 4 years, it has not been centered around Bethenny. Bethenny is in the same category that Brandi was in, at the end of her tenure on the BH show, more negative posts than positive posts, so Bethenny is the Brandi for the NY show. LOL

[HadleyFields]

I like this cast. It seems to me, the criteria to holding onto your apple is living in the UES, or having the means to do so. I think this is where Luann is just scraping by. She's always been one of my favorites and I think she's the most beautiful of all of the franchises. I don't watch OC or Atlanta and there are some very beautiful women on those shows, but I don't know their personalities and personality counts. I know Luanne's personality can suck at times but my devotion to her is unconditional. 

I like Tinsley. I watch this show for women like her. She's an heiress and twirling on the back of a boat! She brings the needed lightness to Frankel's darkness. I love Ramona and Bethenny for their tremendous work ethic, I enjoy the the widows in their poor little rich girl roles and I'm fascinated by Luann and Sonja desperately trying to hold on to a lifestyle that they really can't maintain.

As for Carole and Bethenny, the break up and tension between them can't be only from what we've seen. Something happened, in the summer in the Hamptons, that we're not privy too. I made a story up in my head that goes something like this: Carole assumed she was staying at Beth's but then Beth said, Eh, I want Brynn, Dennis and I to bond as a family unit. You're going to have to find somewhere else to go. Carole, as a childless woman (as am I,) took this as an afront, and parterned up with Tinsley at Topping Rose.  Then the Adam thing happened. From Carole's point of view, I believe, she felt Bethenny should've told her about calling or wanting to call him. Hearing about it afterward from Adam first, then Bethenny, and her negative take on him then, really riled her up. Perhaps, finally, Beth waited for the cameras to start rolling before she acted out on her feelings -because she is a Reality Gold Star-. Carole thought they were real friends and not just, "Ready for Prime Time Players".  This is how I made sense of how they got here and Carole's dismissiveness (aka self-preservation).

Even though I prefer C over B, color me impressed that B managed to trend on Twitter even when the other women weren't engaging in her hysterics!

Edited July 23, 2018 by HadleyFields
Were v. where typo

[biakbiak]

10 minutes ago, HadleyFields said:

Something happened, in the summer in the Hamptons, that we're not privy too. I made a story up in my head that goes something like this: Carole assumed she was staying at Beth's but then Beth said, Eh, I want Brynn, Dennis and I to bond as a family unit. You're going to have to find somewhere else to go. Carole, as a childless woman (as am I,) took this as an afront, and parterned up with Tinsley at Topping Rose.  T

That happened in October after they were already sort of estranged and after the Adam thing. They didn’t see each other most of the summer because Carole was in LA a lot with her friend.

[WireWrap]

10 minutes ago, HadleyFields said:

I like this cast. It seems to me, the criteria to holding onto your apple is living in the UES, or having the means to do so. I think this is where Luann is just scraping by. She's always been one of my favorites and I think she's the most beautiful of all of the franchises. I don't watch OC or Atlanta and there are some very beautiful women on those shows, but I don't know their personalities and personality counts. I know Luanne's personality can suck at times but my devotion to her is unconditional. 

I like Tinsley. I watch this show for women like her. She's an heiress and twirling on the back of a boat! She brings the needed lightness to Frankel's darkness. I love Ramona and Bethenny for their tremendous work ethic, I enjoy the the widows in their poor little rich girl roles and I'm fascinated by Luann and Sonja desperately trying to hold on to a lifestyle that they really can't maintain.

As for Carole and Bethenny, the break up and tension between them can't be only from what we've seen. Something happened, in the summer in the Hamptons, that we're not privy too. I made a story up in my head that goes something like this: Carole assumed she was staying at Beth's but then Beth said, Eh, I want Brynn, Dennis and I to bond as a family unit. You're going to have to find somewhere else to go. Carole, as a childless woman (as am I,) took this as an afront, and parterned up with Tinsley at Topping Rose.  Then the Adam thing happened. From Carole's point of view, I believe, she felt Bethenny should've told her about calling or wanting to call him. Hearing about it afterward from Adam first, then Bethenny, and her negative take on him then, really riled her up. Perhaps, finally, Beth waited for the cameras to start rolling before she acted out on her feelings -because she is a Reality Gold Star-. Carole thought they were real friends and not just, "Ready for Prime Time Players".  This is how I made sense of how they got here and Carole's dismissiveness (aka self-preservation).

Even though I prefer C over B, color me impressed that B managed to trend on Twitter even when the other women weren't engaging in her hysterics!

Well, she wasn't the only NY HW trending. Carole, Dorinda and Luann were also trending, Carole was even at #3 (higher than Bethenny) at one point. LOL And, the only way anyone seemed to know she was trending was because she tweeted about it acting like she didn't know/understand "trending" to begin with. LOL 

[hoodooznoodooz]

16 hours ago, link417 said:

Where do I collect my silver Tiffany initial necklace for reading all 15 pages? Whew.

Everything I think about the episode has already been said. BF is my fave but she was so sad this episode, really brought everything down. I can relate to being in a shitty headspace and hope she makes it out of the funk in time to genuinely enjoy her time in Cartagenya. (LOL)

@hoodooznoodooz — I also noticed that Moaner says “housewifes” and it grates on my nerves. So much for being “smart.” Tamra on RHOC says that, too, but I don’t think she’s ever represented herself as an intelligent person.

While I’m on the subject, I can’t stand how Kyle on RHOBH pronounces it “houzzwives.” But all this proves is that I watch too much damn Real Houzzwifes.

Ha, ha, ha! I caught that, too! And it annoys me to no end as well!

[hoodooznoodooz]

7 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

Why does she not carry an epi pen? I had a reaction to mercury in mahi once and carried an epi pen for 5 years. That’s weird that she doesn’t carry one, especially in a foreign country...looking at her through squinty eyes...

Ha, ha, ha!!! Right? When Beth starts squinting at you, you know she’s extremely p- - -ed at you and is about to tear you a new one. 

[ShawnaLanne]

It's my understanding you only use epi pens for anaphylactic shock. She had an unpleasant allergic reaction, but it was not going to kill her. Antihistamines are recommended for non life threatening reactions.  I'm pretty sure if she had had an epi on hand and used it, she would have been roasted for over reacting. 

 

*That being said, a decent human being would have warned someone that a dish would cause an adverse reaction. The fact that we aren't sure that Ramona didn't mention it either because she's a self involved narc or because she is petty and vindictive, says everything about Ramona that needs saying.

Edited July 23, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[Dirtybubble]

12 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

7 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

Why does she not carry an epi pen? I had a reaction to mercury in mahi once and carried an epi pen for 5 years. That’s weird that she doesn’t carry one, especially in a foreign country...looking at her through squinty eyes...

Ha, ha, ha!!! Right? When Beth starts squinting at you, you know she’s extremely p- - -ed at you and is about to tear you a new one. 

Honestly I'm confused by the timeline here, so she is in the bathroom throwing up at lunchtime (?) and what a few hours later she is coming down the stairs looking fresh as a daisy ready to eat dinner?  She can recover from an attack that quickly?  Something is screwy........

[Happy Camper]

I think that this show is based on three major factors that create interest. 

1. What is going on in people's lives, events, such as Bethenny's work in PR, and Luann's issues over the holidays and the results of that. (basing this on what happens on the show, not including recent events which we have yet to see results of)

2. Relationships. Bethenny and Carole, Bethenny and Sonja, Carole and Tinsley Luann and Bethenny, Carole, Dorinda and everyone etc. The ups and downs, love/hate, dynamics.

3. Lifestyle/Wealth! People love the fab vacations, fancy hotels and venues, homes/apartments, parties etc.

I don't think that there is really one "star". No matter who is participating in this reality show, viewers are interested in the above factors. 

If people were just watching to see Lu, or Beth or Dorinda, they would be able to carry their own show, with nobody else. We found out from Bethenny that that isn't happening.

JMHO.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Happy Camper

[smores]

Even if Bethenny used an epi pen, it would have just opened her throat back up and maybe reduced some swelling.  It wouldn't have gotten rid of any side effects from her being sick from the fish.  If, in addition to swelling, the allergy causes her to vomit, the epi pen won't stop the vomiting.  

But not all allergies require epi pens.  I have allergies to a lot of things and I don't have an epi pen.  None of them rise to the level of an anaphalxis response, so, I just avoid the substance, take something to treat the response or ride it out.  I try my best to be careful, but, I've found myself eating something that I didn't realize I was allergic to, most recently there was a cranberry cheese in front of me.  I love cheese, I love cranberries, so it was perfect! I am allergic to blue cheese, however, and it didn't dawn on me that the cheese was a blue cheese, despite the fact that I knew the name of the cheese.  I even saw a spot of the mold in it, and just figured something got on the first piece I ate and brushed it off.  15 mins later, when I was super stuffy and wondering why, as I was eating my third piece, it clicked.

[AnnA]

4 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

I think that this show is based on three major factors that create interest. 

1. What is going on in people's lives, events, such as Bethenny's work in PR, and Luann's issues over the holidays and the results of that. (basing this on what happens on the show, not including recent events which we have yet to see results of)

2. Relationships. Bethenny and Carole, Bethenny and Sonja, Carole and Tinsley Luann and Bethenny, Carole, Dorinda and everyone etc. The ups and downs, love/hate, dynamics.

Lifestyle/Wealth! People love the fab vacations, fancy hotels and venues, homes/apartments, parties etc.

I don't think that there is really one "star". No matter who is participating in this reality show, viewers are interested in the above factors. 

If someone were just watching to see Lu, or Beth or Dorinda, they would be able to carry their own show, with nobody else. We found out from Bethenny that that isn't happening.

JMHO.

Yes!   It's JMHO too.

No one HW is the focus of the show or the season.   

The conflicts between them is an important element as is the mending of fences.   We're about to see the reunion and they'll all do their best to "bring it" in an effort to please Andy.    

[Happy Camper]

18 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

It's my understanding you only use epi pens for anaphylactic shock. She had an unpleasant allergic reaction, but it was not going to kill her. Antihistamines are recommended for non life threatening reactions.  I'm pretty sure if she had had an epi on hand and used it, she would have been roasted for over reacting. 

 

*That being said, a decent human being would have warned someone that a dish would cause an adverse reaction. The fact that we aren't sure that Ramona didn't mention it either because she's a self involved narc or because she is petty and vindictive, says everything about Ramona that needs saying.

 

Were people really speculating that Ramona purposely didn't mention it just to be petty and vindictive?

Some people were speculating that Bethenny was exaggerating her reaction for attention as well. That is telling about what some think of Bethenny.

Edited July 23, 2018 by Happy Camper

[Mozelle]

1 hour ago, Reality police said:

Anyone else notice Tinsley talking about the Tiffany necklaces being silver? Stated she wanted to get gold but they weren't in her budget. Formerly living in a 10k hotel suite ( paid by her) and now in a 30k suite. It's not only the fish that smells.???????

I could buy that the gold was in Tinsley's budget, but she didn't want to spend on these women who, with the exception of Carole, are just film buddies. Especially when you consider how ungrateful Sonja was even though Tinsley had gifted her nice amount to Barney's or Saks or Bergdorfs (I forget where), it would make sense that Tinsley wasn't going to shell out $500 (or however much each necklace and engraved pendant cost) for each woman. Imagine gifting Bethenny a $500 necklace only to learn that she disliked your vacation planning choices?

As for Bethenny and the Fish Allergy: I don't think it was Ramona's duty in the slightest to tell Bethenny what everything was. They're in Cartagena, a coastal city, which means that meals would likely rely heavily on fish as a main dish. Bethenny is 47 years old not 7 years old. That is to say, despite her age digs at Carole, she is pushing 50, and should be the one in the kitchen asking the cooks what the meal plan is for breakfast, for lunch, for dinner.

[ShawnaLanne]

3 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

Were people really speculating that Ramona purposely didn't mention it just to be petty and vindictive?

Some people were speculating that Bethenny as exaggerating her reaction for attention as well. That is telling about what some think of Bethenny.

Well, I did. :) But other people did as well. She was awfully smirky about the entire thing in her TH, but I couldn't figure out if it was the Ramona yeah I did it smirk or the Ramona I didn't do it but find it kind of funny smirk.

I find either option plausible with Ramona.

Edited July 23, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[SuprSuprElevated]

3 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

Were people really speculating that Ramona purposely didn't mention it just to be petty and vindictive?

Were and are.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[AnnA]

1 minute ago, Mozelle said:

 she is pushing 50, and should be the one in the kitchen asking the cooks what the meal plan is for breakfast, for lunch, for dinner.

Yes she should have asked.    It's also a poor reflection on the hotel/house host/manager to not provide the guests with a menu.  I never heard of anyone serving someone a meal without telling them what it was. 

[weaver]

5 hours ago, AnnA said:

And the first sentence is about the networks wanting to replace the Nielsen ratings because they're out of date and don't reflect current viewing methods.   What a viewer watches on the one TV connected to a Nielsen box is no longer the  only game in town.   Families have more than one TV in their home, can watch on demand, DVR recorded shows, online and on myriad of devices.    

There is a consistency to the hierarchy of these ratings though.  Year after year after year, New York is not in the top.  Its hard to pretend that it is, no matter the rationalization.  Some shows are up against Thanksgiving and Christmas programming, some shows are up against the NBA finals.  Some years no one cares about the NBA finals, and some years they care a lot.  I believe these are the measures advertisers still use, so its what the the execs have now.  The best measure would be advertising dollars generated by the program or cost per advertising minute.    That's all Bravo cares about.  And probably only Bravo knows that.   Or if anyone can provide those stats, I'd love to see them.   

[Happy Camper]

2 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Well, I did. :) But other people did as well. She waa awfully smirky about the entire thing in her TH, but I couldn't figure out if it was the Ramona yeah I did it smirk or the Ramona I didn't do it but find it kind of funny smirk.

I find either option plausible with Ramona.

I would have a very difficult time believing that Ramona (or any of them) could be that evil to risk a potentially life threatening situation.

Do people really believe that Ramona could take pleasure over Bethenny actually having a serious enough reaction that could kill her?

JMO. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

3 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

Do people really believe that Ramona could take pleasure over Bethenny actually having a serious enough reaction that could kill her?

Speaking for myself, of course not.

[Happy Camper]

1 minute ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Speaking for myself, of course not.

Whew! What a relief! I was getting skeered!

[film noire]

7 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

I would have a very difficult time believing that Ramona (or any of them) could be that evil to risk a potentially life threatening situation.

I don't think Ramona did that (she visited Bethenny a lot when she was sick, so unless she's Jeffrey Dahmer levels of crazy, it's not likely she'd also delight in harming Frankel).  That said, Ramona's facial expresisons are so strange at times, she can look like the poster child for schadenfreud, when she's just, well, being Ramona. 

Edited July 24, 2018 by film noire

[ShawnaLanne]

10 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

I would have a very difficult time believing that Ramona (or any of them) could be that evil to risk a potentially life threatening situation.

Do people really believe that Ramona could take pleasure over Bethenny actually having a serious enough reaction that could kill her?

JMO. 

I just posted that it wasn't a serious enough allergy to kill her. That is why Bethany did not need an epi pen. But it wasn't pleasant. It was painful and uncomfortable. And yes, I think Ramona is lacking enough in morals to sit back and enjoy Bethany being sick from fish.

[Rap541]

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I would have a very difficult time believing that Ramona (or any of them) could be that evil to risk a potentially life threatening situation.

Do people really believe that Ramona could take pleasure over Bethenny actually having a serious enough reaction that could kill her?

JMO. 

Agreed. I think Ramona has her issues but really, I saw nothing nefarious in this.