Spoilers and Speculation: Clink Boom and Cheese Fondue

[TeeVee329]

I hear ya.  Most of my annoyance, though, is reserved for the show refusing to invest in Lucas as a major part of the hospital canvas versus newbie docs Griffin and Dr. Michael Easton.

[Melgaypet]

Oh, absolutely. Lucas should be a focus and driving storylines, not some glorified extra.

Edited November 4, 2016 by Melgaypet

[dubbel zout]

Please, invest in a legacy character? 

[IWantCandy71]

23 hours ago, ulkis said:

http://tvsourcemagazine.com/2016/11/general-hospital-spoilers-november-7-11-2016-edition/

hmm at the Tracy spoiler.

It'll be about Finn and Hayden somehow. I feel bad that I don't care enough about the stale dry breadcrumbs they throw JE, to watch this show. She's been one of the best things about it for over a decade now, (always, IMO) but it's just not enough for me anymore. I really enjoy her with ME-I know, no one was more surprised about that than me, I never paid him a wit's attention before. But I will not-cannot-turn this show on just to see her propping Finn, or propping Hayfin. It's just like stepping on that last nerve for me.

[Chairperson Meow]

7 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I wouldn't mind seeing A Steven Lars Webber, I don't necessarily need to see THAT Steven Lars Webber.

At the very least, it was good to hear that Steven Lars, as he should, wants nothing to do with Heather or Franco.

Yeah, no way to Scott Reeves, but Jason Brooks might be available;)  I saw him this week on HTGAWM and he still looks great and can act. 

[Oracle42]

I've always thought Daniel Cosgrove would be a great Steven Lars

[tvgoddess]

4 hours ago, Chairperson Meow said:

Yeah, no way to Scott Reeves, but Jason Brooks might be available;)  I saw him this week on HTGAWM and he still looks great and can act. 

Well, if you are going to give me Jason Brooks I'd say hell yes. God he was yummy.

[ulkis]

Tue, 11/15, 1:00 PM / 1 hr
(New, 11/15/2016, Drama, Soap Opera)
Jason and Sonny begin to bond over Jason's potent news; Jason tries to help Carly; Liz discovers Franco's intentions.

Sounds vaguely dirty, heh.

[Ambrosefolly]

4 hours ago, Chairperson Meow said:

Yeah, no way to Scott Reeves, but Jason Brooks might be available;)  I saw him this week on HTGAWM and he still looks great and can act. 

Scott Reeves got the job pretty much as a favor from JFP to Steve Burton. Meanwhile, she couldn't be bother to give either Kristen Wagner or Genie Francis contracts, and killed off Georgie because the actress dared asked to get a decent storyline. I will always believe that JFP purposely tanked the casting of Steve Weber the first time around so it wouldn't take any shine away from Jason and Sonny.

Edited November 5, 2016 by Ambrosefolly

[jsbt]

If you hire Daniel Cosgrove you might as well turn off the lights.

1 hour ago, tvgoddess said:

Well, if you are going to give me Jason Brooks I'd say hell yes. God he was yummy.

He was lookin' good on the Viola Davis Program.

Edited November 5, 2016 by jsbt

[Chairperson Meow]

6 hours ago, ulkis said:

Tue, 11/15, 1:00 PM / 1 hr
(New, 11/15/2016, Drama, Soap Opera)
Jason and Sonny begin to bond over Jason's potent news; Jason tries to help Carly; Liz discovers Franco's intentions.

Sounds vaguely dirty, heh.

If only that potent news could be impotency.   And I wonder if Liz will find Franco's shrine to her in his cardboard box under the bridge?  

[UYI]

On 11/3/2016 at 5:59 PM, WendyCR72 said:

I don't think the show would have Matt return because almost everyone he was connected to is gone, minus Maxie and Liz. And I don't think the show ever really gave a shit about Matt. It was just a Frons deal of trying to reconnect Jason Cook and Kirsten Storms, and we see how that went.

Not saying I would mind his return. He was a "good guy" and a doctor (in real life, he'd likely never get his medical license back, but on a soap? Sure!). I just think sending him off to jail turned into "Matt Who?" and "Out of sight, out of mind", especially with Noah, Patrick, Robin, and Emma basically a memory (not counting visits).

Seriously, does he even know Robin's still alive? He went to prison while she was presumed dead.

[WendyCR72]

18 hours ago, tvgoddess said:

Well, if you are going to give me Jason Brooks I'd say hell yes. God he was yummy.

Yeah. And not to condone adultery, but I can see just why Melissa Reeves was too happy to fool around with him. (He played her character's husband in between Jack Deveraux marriages, Peter Blake, adopted son of Stefano DiMera [who had a billion kids, like Sonny], on Days. Of course, since everything that went down, Peter has been blasted into nonexistence.)

[ulkis]

17 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

Scott Reeves got the job pretty much as a favor from JFP to Steve Burton. Meanwhile, she couldn't be bother to give either Kristen Wagner or Genie Francis contracts, and killed off Georgie because the actress dared asked to get a decent storyline. I will always believe that JFP purposely tanked the casting of Steve Weber the first time around so it wouldn't take any shine away from Jason and Sonny.

I don't think it was JFP's idea to not take away any shine off Sonny and Jason.

And as short-sighted as killing off Georgie was, it wasn't punishment for asking for a storyline.  She decided to leave after they told her she wasn't going to get a story. She could have puttered on at the show if she wanted to. 

[dubbel zout]

LL ended up leaving acting and being happy in the restaurant biz, so it turned out well for her.

[WendyCR72]

On 11/4/2016 at 2:21 PM, dubbel zout said:

Please, invest in a legacy character? 

I'm hesitant to say this, but I think Lucas may have had that focus if...he were straight. It all goes back to what I said before: Soap hacks like to talk big about equality and inclusion, but it's all lip service. And any actor that plays a gay character can forget any real romance or life at all. They become marginalized and a token "talk to". And I say this is as a straight white female. But there it is.

I know LA/Kristina is not popular here. But I don't think it can be denied she got a hell of a lot more focus during the nonstarter with Ethan and with abusive Keifer than she ever did after she became "sexually fluid".

As for Lucas, his thing for Brooklyn way, way back when seemed to be gaining traction before it got pulled. For whatever reason. But since he came out, it's all been downhill.

And unless/until soaps get progressive writers a la Sri Rao (who I am still sad about nixing writing main GH), who handled a gay romance on GH: Night Shift as being on par with the straight romances), things won't change and, as wrong and sad as it is, actors should fear loss of airtime if their character is earmarked to be the next token to any given writing regime that doesn't give a shit about context and content, but just the optics.

[ulkis]

I like Sam's necklace.

[WendyCR72]

Someone needs to show poor Sam a box of crayons and help open her eyes to the fact that actual COLOR exists in the world!

[TeeVee329]

Alexis better watch out, being an alcoholic in Port Charles is considered worse than being a mobster or a SERIAL KILLER.

[Ambrosefolly]

4 hours ago, ulkis said:

I don't think it was JFP's idea to not take away any shine off Sonny and Jason.

And as short-sighted as killing off Georgie was, it wasn't punishment for asking for a storyline.  She decided to leave after they told her she wasn't going to get a story. She could have puttered on at the show if she wanted to. 

She was involved: she has final say on who is cast. Nolan North is one of the people that auditioned. 

I think shutting the door on an actor's character returning/aka killing off a character is punishing the actor. And even though I really liked Lindze, it isn't like the show thought she was some irreplaceable talent like Jonathan Jackson or KMc, because the actress had to ask to get more screen time that seemed to be monopolized by Lulu. Up until Georgie was murdered, she was talking about doing study aboard which would have been a good way to leave the canvas for extended period. Georgie's body was shown. That doesn't mean much on soaps, but it is more substantial than the body not being recovered, like Morgan.

[HeatLifer]

I laughed SO hard watching that. Spit flew out. It wasn't pretty and I'm not ashamed.

[LeftPhalange]

8 hours ago, ulkis said:

I like Sam's necklace.

LMAO they allow Danny to be shown so Alexis can almost let him burn to death so she'll be sent off to rehab after being an *alcoholic* for a month. 

[peachmangosteen]

11 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

I laughed SO hard watching that. Spit flew out.

LMAO same here!

[Chairperson Meow]

13 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

I laughed SO hard watching that. Spit flew out. It wasn't pretty and I'm not ashamed.

I did too.   I don't know what's funnier- Sam dressed in a 90's choker (yeah I know it's in, but I still think The Craft when I see them, plus the black dress, my god, wardrobe, you know nothing!), the fact that Sam/Jason see their kid maybe once in a whenever, and they allow criminals/murderers to be around him.  In fact, a hit man is his father- well "former" hit man.  My bad.  That Sam was okay with.  Literally ride or die for.  It's so after-school special.  I can't even lol.

[dubbel zout]

9 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

LMAO they allow Danny to be shown so Alexis can almost let him burn to death so she'll be sent off to rehab after being an *alcoholic* for a month. 

It's hilarious, but it's also really annoying that they'd have Alexis be so careless around a child. Yes, she's now a complete drunk (after a month!), but come on. Just have Sam drop off Danny and Alexis, disheveled and burping, opens the door with an open wine bottle in each hand. Are they trying to make Alexis into Luke?

[Chairperson Meow]

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It's hilarious, but it's also really annoying that they'd have Alexis be so careless around a child. Yes, she's now a complete drunk (after a month!), but come on. Just have Sam drop off Danny and Alexis, disheveled and burping, opens the door with an open wine bottle in each hand. Are they trying to make Alexis into Luke?

Well it's not like she ran over him and drove away....yet

[LeftPhalange]

Alexis has already run over two people and killed at least one of them. She killed Kristina's abusive boyfriend but I don't remember who the other person was.

[nilyank]

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Alexis has already run over two people and killed at least one of them. She killed Kristina's abusive boyfriend but I don't remember who the other person was.

She knifed and killed Luis Alcazar for killing her sister Kristina. Brenda and Jason ended being blamed for that murder. She also planned with Luke to kill Helena via parapet. Instead Katherine Bell accidentally went over the parapet to her supposed death (the first time) and Stefan ended being blamed for that supposed murder.

[dr. gailey]

Danny's whole family is fucked up. If he isn't allowed around criminals he would be in an orphanage. Even Aunt Molly was ordering hits at ten.

Now would be a good time for history to be used. Sam herself used to drink when in emotional pain. Monica was drinking and ran over Sam when Emily died. I think Sam will be mad that Alexis lied to her but would want her to get help.

This could be good but Jelly is writing it so I expect the worse.

[dubbel zout]

I'm sure Alexis will be paraded around the town square, branded a drunk (metaphorically), and then her "rehab" will last two episodes, if that. And that paragon of recovery, Sonny Corinthos, will be the one who helps her get through it.

I don't know why they even bother.

[HeatLifer]

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm sure Alexis will be paraded around the town square, branded a drunk (metaphorically), and then her "rehab" will last two episodes, if that. And that paragon of recovery, Sonny Corinthos, will be the one who helps her get through it.

I don't know why they even bother.

If Alexis was a drunk AND a mobster, I'm sure Sam and Jason would think she's a good caretaker. ;)

[dubbel zout]

Julian will probably be held up as a better caretaker than Alexis is right now.

[HeatLifer]

12 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Julian will probably be held up as a better caretaker than Alexis is right now.

I hate that they're doing Sam vs. Alexis. It gives me bad memories.

[TeeVee329]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Julian will probably be held up as a better caretaker than Alexis is right now.

I assume this is Jelly's road back to Alexis/Julian, that she has problems drinking and Julian comes through for her in some way and blah blah blah.

[Oracle42]

Ew.

[Michel]

On ‎11‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 4:51 PM, WendyCR72 said:

As for Lucas, his thing for Brooklyn way, way back when seemed to be gaining traction before it got pulled. For whatever reason.

The "whatever reason" was twofold.  The first was that Ryan Carnes was offered a contract in 2004, but he declined.  The second was that Guza wanted to push his shiny new toy at the time, Diego, onto the viewers.  Put those two reasons together, and Lucas got taken out of the budding relationship he had going with Brook Lynn, despite the amazing chemistry Ryan had with Adrianne Leon, and Diego was put in.  That was a mistake.  Ignacio Serricchio had absolutely zero chemistry with Adrianne, yet Guza still tried to make them catch on as a couple (apparently, even Adrianne didn't like the pairing, though she hid it well).  Meanwhile, Lucas vanished for months.

On a side note, Ignacio started to wake up when Kirsten first came on as Maxie in 2005 and Guza seemed to tease the two of them getting together, which intrigued me and many viewers, because they had pretty good chemistry.  Kirsten really elevated Ignacio a lot and brought out some good performances from him after that.  But then, somewhat karmically, that budding relationship was sacked in favor of the new shiny toy at the time, Matt Marraccini's bland, boring Jesse.  (It was an ill-conceived attempt to reignite Matt and Kirsten's chemistry from Kirsten's short-lived show The Clubhouse.)  Then, Diego was the one left floundering before they made him crazy.  As I said, karmically fitting since Lucas had been left to flounder in favor of him just the year before.

Just thought you'd wanna know the scoop on that, @WendyCR72. ;)

Edited November 7, 2016 by Michel

[Oracle42]

I thought Diego also has chemistry with Georgie before Guza killed her off .

ugh, Jesse was so, so bland and terrible - but still better than Plywood

[Ambrosefolly]

1 hour ago, Oracle42 said:

I thought Diego also has chemistry with Georgie before Guza killed her off .

ugh, Jesse was so, so bland and terrible - but still better than Plywood

Diego used to be called DieOak or [], which was a riff off of Tad's () he earned after he found out about Bianca's baby and ...just did nothing, but by this point, he was doing a lot better than Ryan Paevy. 

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The "whatever reason" was twofold.  The first was that Ryan Carnes was offered a contract in 2004, but he declined.  The second was that Guza wanted to push his shiny new toy at the time, Diego, onto the viewers.  Put those two reasons together, and Lucas got taken out of the budding relationship he had going with Brook Lynn, despite the amazing chemistry Ryan had with Adrianne Leon, and Diego was put in.  That was a mistake.  Ignacio Serricchio had absolutely zero chemistry with Adrianne, yet Guza still tried to make them catch on as a couple (apparently, even Adrianne didn't like the pairing, though she hid it well).  Meanwhile, Lucas vanished for months.

On a side note, Ignacio started to wake up when Kirsten first came on as Maxie in 2005 and Guza seemed to tease the two of them getting together, which intrigued me and many viewers, because they had pretty good chemistry.  Kirsten really elevated Ignacio a lot and brought out some good performances from him after that.  But then, somewhat karmically, that budding relationship was sacked in favor of the new shiny toy at the time, Matt Marraccini's bland, boring Jesse.  (It was an ill-conceived attempt to reignite Matt and Kirsten's chemistry from Kirsten's short-lived show The Clubhouse.)  Then, Diego was the one left floundering before they made him crazy.  As I said, karmically fitting since Lucas had been left to flounder in favor of him just the year before.

Just thought you'd wanna know the scoop on that, @WENDYCR72. ;)

 

@Michel. I think Ryan Carnes was told his character was going to be turned gay and by that point RC had been playing a lot of gay characters on other shows and didn't want to be typecast. They had been playing around making Lucas gay since he was first SORASed.

If AL was every brought back, I would love to have they paired them up as friends, and find they stayed good friends the entire time, even after Dante/Lulu thing. They left on really good terms. 

Edited November 7, 2016 by Ambrosefolly

[UYI]

3 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

 

@Michel. I think Ryan Carnes was told his character was going to be turned gay and by that point RC had been playing a lot of gay characters on other shows and didn't want to be typecast. They had been playing around making Lucas gay since he was first SORASed.

 

Which makes the fact that he eventually returned to play an out Lucas anyway pretty funny/ironic.

[Michel]

6 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

@Michel. I think Ryan Carnes was told his character was going to be turned gay and by that point RC had been playing a lot of gay characters on other shows and didn't want to be typecast. They had been playing around making Lucas gay since he was first SORASed.

I don't think that that was till around 2005 or 2006 when that happened, though.  In '04, when Ryan first came on, they seemed pretty dedicated to him being straight.

[IWantCandy71]

On ‎11‎/‎6‎/‎2016 at 0:35 PM, LeftPhalange said:

Alexis has already run over two people and killed at least one of them. She killed Kristina's abusive boyfriend but I don't remember who the other person was.

Which is why I'm so "meh" at her and Julian. I think they both deserve the other. Preferably off screen, though-but then, I'm not watching.

 Maybe I will again if and when they give JE a story of her own. Maybe, maybe not.

[Ambrosefolly]

5 hours ago, Michel said:

I don't think that that was till around 2005 or 2006 when that happened, though.  In '04, when Ryan first came on, they seemed pretty dedicated to him being straight.

I remember Lucas being around for when college started and they had that weird stalker (that turned out to be Diego), but Lucas acting sketchy as hell. I think they were going to have Lucas come out, and he was playing Andrew's boyfriend on Desperate Housewives.

[WendyCR72]

12 hours ago, Michel said:

I don't think that that was till around 2005 or 2006 when that happened, though.  In '04, when Ryan first came on, they seemed pretty dedicated to him being straight.

This is how I remember it, too. If I'm wrong, though, great. I know Ben Hogestyn's version was gay by 2006 as it was his Lucas who came out to Tony just before poor Tony died of Monkey Virus.

[Lobsel Vith]

On November 7, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel said:

The "whatever reason" was twofold.  The first was that Ryan Carnes was offered a contract in 2004, but he declined.  The second was that Guza wanted to push his shiny new toy at the time, Diego, onto the viewers.  Put those two reasons together, and Lucas got taken out of the budding relationship he had going with Brook Lynn, despite the amazing chemistry Ryan had with Adrianne Leon, and Diego was put in.  That was a mistake.  Ignacio Serricchio had absolutely zero chemistry with Adrianne, yet Guza still tried to make them catch on as a couple (apparently, even Adrianne didn't like the pairing, though she hid it well).  Meanwhile, Lucas vanished for months.

On a side note, Ignacio started to wake up when Kirsten first came on as Maxie in 2005 and Guza seemed to tease the two of them getting together, which intrigued me and many viewers, because they had pretty good chemistry.  Kirsten really elevated Ignacio a lot and brought out some good performances from him after that.  But then, somewhat karmically, that budding relationship was sacked in favor of the new shiny toy at the time, Matt Marraccini's bland, boring Jesse.  (It was an ill-conceived attempt to reignite Matt and Kirsten's chemistry from Kirsten's short-lived show The Clubhouse.)  Then, Diego was the one left floundering before they made him crazy.  As I said, karmically fitting since Lucas had been left to flounder in favor of him just the year before.

 

I never felt that Guza pushed Diego. Guza, for example, pushed Ethan (who had an abuse victim thrown under the bus to prop his worthless ass after the Luke/Holly debacle had fans hating him). Diego's awful stories (like hitting on SWSNBN and blaming his father for... reasons that were never, ever properly articulated...) seemed like filler, mostly.

Sure, Diego had content, but Guza never did anything much to try and get fans to like him despite playing the son of a popular character like Lorenzo Alcazar.

Heck, he was the inconsistent plot device used to make certain plots move forward, like the PC stalker plot. Guza would never do that to a character he actually liked, like JJ's Lucky or Ethan.

[TeeVee329]

Oh, Laura.  I read a spoiler that she visits Sonny on Thanksgiving and they commiserate over losing their sons.

...I'm not here for that.

[dubbel zout]

24 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Oh, Laura.  I read a spoiler that she visits Sonny on Thanksgiving and they commiserate over losing their sons.

Especially as Sonny was responsible for Lucky's "death" in the fire. Gah. This is what happens when I ask for History! to be incorporated into the show: It's done with no thought whatsoever.

[LexieLily]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Oh, Laura.  I read a spoiler that she visits Sonny on Thanksgiving and they commiserate over losing their sons.

...I'm not here for that.

It took me a minute to remember Laura and Sonny are actually connected two ways, via Dante (in-laws) and Spencer (uncle/grandmother)

[TeeVee329]

I hope it's that Dante and Lulu are hosting Thanksgiving and Laura and Sonny see each other there.  Her specifically seeking him out is...nah.

[dubbel zout]

Laura should tell Sonny she's sorry for his loss and leave it at that. There's no reason for her to do more than that, especially commiserate. (I realize this wording is probably not the OP's but the person who wrote the spoiler.)

[Michel]

19 hours ago, Lobsel Vith said:

I never felt that Guza pushed Diego. Guza, for example, pushed Ethan (who had an abuse victim thrown under the bus to prop his worthless ass after the Luke/Holly debacle had fans hating him). Diego's awful stories (like hitting on SWSNBN and blaming his father for... reasons that were never, ever properly articulated...) seemed like filler, mostly.

Sure, Diego had content, but Guza never did anything much to try and get fans to like him despite playing the son of a popular character like Lorenzo Alcazar.

Heck, he was the inconsistent plot device used to make certain plots move forward, like the PC stalker plot. Guza would never do that to a character he actually liked, like JJ's Lucky or Ethan.

Oh, I disagree.  Guza pushed him to holy hell when he first arrived.  In fact, he tried his entire first year to make him happen.  It was only around the time that Jesse came on that he abandoned him, made him the crazy stalker, and started making Jesse his pet project instead.  Until then, though, I thought he was getting the clear pet treatment.

Again, ironic, because that was around the time they were teasing him with Maxie, and that was when he finally did start catching on.  At least he gave him another try after the stalker storyline, while he got the hint that very few liked Jesse and finally accepted that he wasn't happening and dumped him after eight or nine months.  Another form of irony.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Michel