S16.E09: Mitch Landrieu, Gina McCarthy, Mona Charen, Chris Hayes, and Malcolm Nance

[formerlyfreedom]

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TOP-OF-SHOW: Mitch Landrieu

MID-SHOW INTERVIEW: Gina McCarthy

THE PANEL: Mona Charen, Chris Hayes & Malcolm Nance

 

[DB in CMH]

New rules was great tonight. Good panel

[candall]

OH!  So that's what the show's like when Bill books top-notch guests and stays engaged.

 

[Note:  Didn't see it last week.]

[Caseysgirl]

I've seen a lot of Mitch Landrieu this week on the talk show circuit and he seems fairly decent. Hope he doesn't give up politics after his tenure as Mayor is over ( judging by his high media profile, it doesn't look that way.)  The panel was very good tonight and there wasn't a lot of talking over each other. 

[b2H]

Got to see the show via my iPad.  Now THAT was a show.

The only thing that was missing for me was no mention of the reveal of Guccifer 2.0.  Would have liked to hear Nance’s take on that one.

[Robert Lynch]

Antonio Sabato's comment about being blacklisted in Hollywood made me spit out my milk. Dude, you were never blacklisted. Your career dried up when the 90s were over. Don't blame Hollywood about blacklisting. Blame yourself for not having a career change to begin with. And him running for Congress makes my skin crawl. I hope he doesn't win the seats in California. I wonder what John Oliver have to say about that. As for conservative Hollywood types  like James Wood and Scott Baio, those are the type of people that can't see reality and think their views are golden when in fact they are not. They live in a fantasy where they are always in the right and you are in the wrong. While Hollywood liberals have flaws as well, it's the Hollywood conservatives that think their crap don't stink and want to be part of the 1% bracket that Trump promised them. Crying over Hollywood deserting them is so much bs. They had it all and chosed to become the jerks now. As much as I hate to say it, Bill Maher was spot on going after the Hollywood conservatives on that assumption. Good job, Bill.

Edited March 24, 2018 by Robert Lynch

[arachne]

Bill got off a great line at the end of Overtime, re Trump's tariffs: "I can't wait for Trump voters to walk into Walmart, and there's nothing there."

[DrScottie]

3 hours ago, b2H said:

The only thing that was missing for me was no mention of the reveal of Guccifer 2.0.  Would have liked to hear Nance’s take on that one.

He already knew that. In his book "The Plot to Hack America," he spells out that Guccifer 2.0 is Russian intelligence. 

[iMonrey]

Really glad Bill skipped the mid-show "bit." They have been increasingly cringe-worthy and I'm hoping against hope he finally got the message. Gina McCarthy was a great mid-show guest and fit seamlessly into the panel. 

I really enjoyed the interview with Mitch Landrieu, although they touched on so many different topics they never really got into one deep enough. For example, when Bill asked about gun violence, I was rather disappointed Landrieu gave the usual canned response about supporting the 2nd amendment like every other politician. I'm waiting for some brave poll so say they support repeal. Barring that, I'm waiting for someone to point out that every time someone starts waving the 2nd amendment around like a shield, someone needs to point out that "well regulated" is part of that amendment. You love the 2nd amendment so much? It says "well regulated" right there in the words. Meaning we can regulate guns, according to the amendment you cling to so hard.

I agree with Bill that Facebook users really don't have a right to be outraged by data mining. I for one have nothing of value or interest in my Facebook account, and furthermore, would never be swayed by some kind of propaganda a bot sent me as a result of it. People who believed that Hillary Clinton was running some sort of child sex ring out of a pizza parlor were dumb to begin with and were never going to vote for her anyway. That's not Facebook's fault.

And, does Facebook actually track your cell phone calls, as Chris Hayes claimed? How? I mean, maybe if you list your phone number there in the info but otherwise . . .

Loved new rules. Every time some conservative pundit on Fox News complains about Liberal Hollywood I want to shove my fist through the screen. The same people turn around an embrace celebrities who support conservative politicians like a bunch of hypocrites. 

[ottoDbusdriver]

28 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

And, does Facebook actually track your cell phone calls, as Chris Hayes claimed? How? I mean, maybe if you list your phone number there in the info but otherwise . . .

If you have the Facebook app on your smartphone, it probably does.  Apps like Facebook require you to allow a long list of permissions to your phone, otherwise it won't work at all, and likely buried in that list of permissions is the one that allows them to track your calls.

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

Barring that, I'm waiting for someone to point out that every time someone starts waving the 2nd amendment around like a shield, someone needs to point out that "well regulated" is part of that amendment.

He did say that with granting rights comes responsibility, but I wish he emphasized it more.

Gina McCarty is always a good interview. She's super smart and I love the New England outspokenness, which also gets me in trouble. 

 

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

I agree with Bill that Facebook users really don't have a right to be outraged by data mining. I for one have nothing of value or interest in my Facebook account, and furthermore, would never be swayed by some kind of propaganda a bot sent me as a result of it. People who believed that Hillary Clinton was running some sort of child sex ring out of a pizza parlor were dumb to begin with and were never going to vote for her anyway. That's not Facebook's fault.

I think they can be a little mad, but like I said elsewhere I'm more surprised that people are surprised. The bots and trolls and fake profiles are so obvious that it's laughable people buy into it. It's also tragic, but yeah, there's a certain demo that believes Clinton and the pizza parlor. It's not like Russia had to do much to flare these people up. The real problem is we have too many low informed voters. And I hate the trope that "both sides" have their silos. Actually no. I also hate any argument that includes "both sides" because that's largely false, and it's not an argument; it's how you justify your stupidity. Anyway, there's plenty of info out there that shows lefty leaning people get their news from way more of a variety of sources. 

I liked Bill's takedown of "hollywood". I don't know if I'd use the Reagan joke because he did begin a legit political career after acting and was an experienced politician by the time he ran for president. 

[TVbitch]

Enjoyable panel, I was laughing along with them. Everyone was courteous and informative yet loose and seemed to be having a good time. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

Can’t add anything new that others here haven’t already posted. I want Gina McCarthy to be on the regular panel in three weeks! Hey, Bill had that idiot Barrie back in a short time and Gina is vastly more intelligent, knowledgeable and has a great sense of humor. Plus I love how her New England accent slips in like when she said “Mahrket.”? And when she said in Overtime one of the regulations she would ease back would be for garage doors!???

Bill was on FIRE with New Rules. THIS is the kind of panel we should have all the time.

Loved Chris Hayes explaining how MSNBC is not the “left/liberal” version of Fox.

I need to rewatch on Demand because my screen “blitzed” and I missed something Gina said right before she said something about telling the truth during the main show. I don’t know if it’s my television or service provider.

[angelamh66]

This was a fantastic episode on all fronts! New Rules was so good, I might have to rewatch it a few times. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

21 minutes ago, angelamh66 said:

New Rules was so good, I might have to rewatch it a few times. 

It was right up there with the New Rules where Bill said “We da rebels NOW!” In his attempt at a Southern accent.

[meowmommy]

3 hours ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

f you have the Facebook app on your smartphone, it probably does.  Apps like Facebook require you to allow a long list of permissions to your phone, otherwise it won't work at all, and likely buried in that list of permissions is the one that allows them to track your calls.

I was feeling proud and smug because I have my FB privacy set at max and I don't give 3rd party apps permissions on FB, but I just downloaded my data and sure enough, it has phone calls.  What's even more distressing is that they have compiled contact information on people whom I never reached using Facebook or my personal phone or my personal computer, such as old work contacts.  Now I want to know if there's some way to scrub this data.  Bastards. 

I think the panel was more civilized this time because there weren't any real differences in ideology.

Edited March 24, 2018 by meowmommy

[amsel]

Best show in a long time. Great guests, good humor, informative. Everyone got to talk and there was no shouting. New rules was fantastic. 

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, meowmommy said:

I was feeling proud and smug because I have my FB privacy set at max and I don't give 3rd party apps permissions on FB, but I just downloaded my data and sure enough, it has phone calls.  What's even more distressing is that they have compiled contact information on people whom I never reached using Facebook or my personal phone or my personal computer, such as old work contacts.  Now I want to know if there's some way to scrub this data.  Bastards. 

I didn't know about that until this show, and I think it's fair for people to be ticked about that. I put pics of my dogs and dumb things on FB like where I'm drinking, and I don't care if they have that. Phone numbers though seems a little much. 

[ganesh]

Where are the phone numbers in the data? I couldn't find any.

[attica]

You can make a long list of showbiz people in Republican politics, besides Reagan.  Mayor Eastwood.  Congressman Bono. Congressman Gopher. Governor Terminator.  Congressman Cooter. Senator L&O DA Branch. The Rs are thrilled to usher into office anybody with greasepaint on their faces. It’s only the liberals that aren't supposed to mix politics with showbiz. 

I quibble with the contention that 45's activites aren't yet known to be illegal.  I think he was manifestly in violation of his path of office the instant he took it, emoluments-wise. Or is that constitutional as opposed to criminal?

[Robert Lynch]

You can add Charlie Daniels to that list as well.

[babs1226]

I hope Bill leaves his mid-panel comedy bit out from now on.  I much prefer listening to the panel discussion and mid-show guest.  Good panel, good discussion.

[meowmommy]

2 hours ago, ganesh said:

Where are the phone numbers in the data? I couldn't find any.

Under Contact Info.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, attica said:

It’s only the liberals that aren't supposed to mix politics with showbiz. 

Steve Largent was a football WR, so you can throw sports into it too.

2 hours ago, attica said:

Or is that constitutional as opposed to criminal?

I think it's constitutional. I think there have been lawsuits filed to rule on the emoluments clause. 

9 minutes ago, meowmommy said:

Under Contact Info.

Mine's completely blank.

[Tanichka]

10 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I agree with Bill that Facebook users really don't have a right to be outraged by data mining. I for one have nothing of value or interest in my Facebook account, and furthermore, would never be swayed by some kind of propaganda a bot sent me as a result of it. People who believed that Hillary Clinton was running some sort of child sex ring out of a pizza parlor were dumb to begin with and were never going to vote for her anyway. That's not Facebook's fault.

Exactly!  I have no personal info on FB.  Who gets their news there, anyway.  It sure isn't Facebook's fault that people are gullible and dumb.  For heaven's sake, check out these stories!

[attica]

I was amused that, for all of Bill's condemnation of Dana Loesch's, um, eagerness for teevee fame, he blithely overlooked her appearances on his own show. Which were certainly useful in building her RWNJ media  cred. RT is where I first encountered her, fwiw.

[ganesh]

13 hours ago, Tanichka said:

Who gets their news there, anyway.  It sure isn't Facebook's fault that people are gullible and dumb. 

This is something that I don't think is clarified well. I get my news on FB by reading articles posted by PBSNewshour, or when my friend will post something from the Washington Post or The New York Times. There's also a lot of interesting pieces by VICE. Those are legitimate news outlets that are reaching more people because of FB. People might not be able to afford cable, but everyone has a smart phone, nearly, and FB is one way to get all your news in one place. 

But yes, I do think Zuckerburg is only responsible to a point. It's not his fault or FB that people are dumb. It's not like the CA work or the Russians had any magic formula. They conned dumb people. And it's not 'both sides being in their silos' like Bill was saying on the show. They targeted a narrowly focused demo. Guess who? Who was the type of person to actually thought Clinton was running sex slaves out of a pizza shop? It's our butthurt white dudes again that we've been told we have to so carefully listen to. I really think if we had mandatory voting people would be better informed. 

[iMonrey]

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I think the panel was more civilized this time because there weren't any real differences in ideology.

I think Mona Charen was supposed to be the right-leaning panelist. She said she didn't believe W. & Co. lied their way into the Iraq war. Bitch please.

[GHScorpiosRule]

23 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I think Mona Charen was supposed to be the right-leaning panelist. She said she didn't believe W. & Co. lied their way into the Iraq war. Bitch please.

She also said that when the left said the CIA wasn’t to be trusted, then it was okay or acceptable by “everyone,” but now that the right is saying it, it’s bad. I’m glad that Chris Hayes called her on it and gave a more nuanced explanation.

[ganesh]

34 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I think Mona Charen was supposed to be the right-leaning panelist. She said she didn't believe W. & Co. lied their way into the Iraq war. Bitch please.

She was ok for a while, because she was clearly critical of Trump. But yeah, that. She started with the CIA and Hayes was like, "that's because what they were being accused of actually happened." 

She tried to get in a "But Obama" and they just ignored her. 

The best shows of the year so far really have been the two person panel. 

[ebk57]

I feel I must defend Ben Jones's good (?) name and say that Congressman Cooter is a Democrat.  It does pain me though that he has come out in favor of the Confederate flag being used on that car that they used in the show he was in that I never watched. 

17 hours ago, attica said:

You can make a long list of showbiz people in Republican politics, besides Reagan.  Mayor Eastwood.  Congressman Bono. Congressman Gopher. Governor Terminator.  Congressman Cooter. Senator L&O DA Branch. The Rs are thrilled to usher into office anybody with greasepaint on their faces. It’s only the liberals that aren't supposed to mix politics with showbiz. 

[UYI]

18 hours ago, attica said:

You can make a long list of showbiz people in Republican politics, besides Reagan.  Mayor Eastwood.  Congressman Bono. Congressman Gopher. Governor Terminator.  Congressman Cooter. Senator L&O DA Branch. The Rs are thrilled to usher into office anybody with greasepaint on their faces. It’s only the liberals that aren't supposed to mix politics with showbiz. 

I quibble with the contention that 45's activites aren't yet known to be illegal.  I think he was manifestly in violation of his path of office the instant he took it, emoluments-wise. Or is that constitutional as opposed to criminal?

Fred Grandy is an interesting case. He actually was a speechwriter for his hometown Congressman in Iowa some years before he was on The Love Boat (and while this obviously is less related to his career path, his roommate at Harvard--yes, he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, and then received an MFA from George Washington University--was David Eisenhower). So he's someone who had been interested in politics and acting all along, and even was involved in politics before his acting career really got off the ground. 

Edited March 25, 2018 by UYI

[ganesh]

The Terminator was governor when I graduated so his name is on my diploma. 

I don't think anyone is disparaging celebs from running for office. I'm not one of those "shut up and stick to acting" if they want to express an opinion on something, so I don't care if they want to get into public service. Sure, Grandy had a political background, but that doesn't make him more or less qualified than a Reagan or Eastwood. If you want to run, go ahead. The Fox News hypocrites railing against "hollywood" is just disingenuous because it's ok if it's your hollywood person. It's amazing to me when Bill pointed out how so many had failed show biz aspirations and turned out so bitter. Talk about snowflakes. 

[candall]

3 hours ago, ganesh said:

... I really think if we had mandatory voting people would be better informed. 

I believe in Norway, campaigning is limited to the ~six weeks before Election Day.  Voters lean in, listen, compare, make a decision--boom--done.  Sounds heavenly.

 

On ‎3‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 11:18 AM, ottoDbusdriver said:

If you have the Facebook app on your smartphone, it probably does.  Apps like Facebook require you to allow a long list of permissions to your phone, otherwise it won't work at all, and likely buried in that list of permissions is the one that allows them to track your calls.

This, exactly.

 

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I think Mona Charen was supposed to be the right-leaning panelist. She said she didn't believe W. & Co. lied their way into the Iraq war. Bitch please.

Mona Charon is the conservative pundit who was escorted out of CPAC for saying Repubs observe a huge double standard wrt sexual harassment.  "I'm disappointed about our side being silent about serial harassers and abusers, including the one sitting in the White House."  Then she called CPAC's invitation to Marion Le Pen "a disgrace."  She had to have a security escort for her own safety.

If there has to be an opposing voice on the panel, I can think of guests with more comprehensive robot programming.

And if she contributes something completely loony tunes like "Bush wasn't lying about Iraq"--so much the better.

[b2H]

@DrScottie, maybe so, that he talks about it in the book.  But the revelation that we now know who Guccifer 2.0 is for certain was not information available when he wrote his book.  If anything, it was speculation at the time of the book release and now it’s not.  He might’ve been able to sell a few more by talking about it on the show.

[DrScottie]

6 hours ago, b2H said:

@DrScottie, maybe so, that he talks about it in the book.  But the revelation that we now know who Guccifer 2.0 is for certain was not information available when he wrote his book.  If anything, it was speculation at the time of the book release and now it’s not.  He might’ve been able to sell a few more by talking about it on the show.

I do agree that it may have been a good idea to plug his book in how he was right about Guccifer 2.0's role as a Russian intelligence officer.  I would imagine it lends more credibility to the case he lays out in the book. 

[Victor the Crab]

Good show, good New Rules. Ironic how the late Andrew Breitbart wanted to break into Hollywood as a comedy writer, considering all the crap he published on his own website and in his books are laughable.

[Calamity Jane]

On 3/25/2018 at 11:39 AM, ganesh said:

The Terminator was governor when I graduated so his name is on my diploma. 

 

My daughter has one too!