Camille Grammer: Deliciously Pernicious

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, Duke2801 said:

Right- I know she said stage 4 initially. I’m saying that Bravo/Camille realized the mistake and remedied it. 

Everyone should be so lucky as to have a do over.  The original clip remains on Bravo's site:  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-8/episode-12/videos/camille-grammer-has-the-vagina-of-a

[link417]

I believe she misspoke, and not just because I’m a Camille fan. I have issues keeping numbers straight (though I haven’t been diagnosed with dyscalculia or anything), and there have been moments where I have said something incorrect, oftentimes that doesn’t even make sense, and then either I (after realizing my synapses misfired) or someone else corrects what I meant.

I loved the lingerie scene with Camille and Rinna, it was fun and they both looked great. I couldn’t see what Camille sees when she talks about getting used to her “new” body — she’s still bangin’!

[zoeysmom]

Camille's fiance:  https://pagesix.com/2018/01/17/camille-grammers-lawyer-fiance-has-a-shady-past/

Wife abuser, still legally married when he popped the question to Camille.  I do think it is funny he drives a Dodge Hellcat.  Does Camille just have a way of picking losers or are losers the only ones attracted to her?  It sounds like his kids are pretty young.  

[SuprSuprElevated]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Camille's fiance:  https://pagesix.com/2018/01/17/camille-grammers-lawyer-fiance-has-a-shady-past/

Wife abuser, still legally married when he popped the question to Camille.  I do think it is funny he drives a Dodge Hellcat.  Does Camille just have a way of picking losers or are losers the only ones attracted to her?  It sounds like his kids are pretty young.  

My hubs would kill (not me, lol) for a Dodge Hellcat.  It's a 4-wheeled testosterone factory.  Yours for $75,000 to $80,000.  It's probably not his primary car, but could be. 

[zoeysmom]

21 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

My hubs would kill (not me, lol) for a Dodge Hellcat.  It's a 4-wheeled testosterone factory.  Yours for $75,000 to $80,000.  It's probably not his primary car, but could be. 

Don't forget the RHOBH are living in the land of Range Rovers, Teslas, Lamborghinis, Rolls and Bentleys.   I just thought it was funny his estranged wife was complaining about him living the good life getting a place in Malibu, living it up at Nobu and Mastro's and bought a Dodge Hellcat.  I was expecting a Porsche or at least G-Wagon.  I get the muscle car desire.

[Lura]

Way back in the day, I used to feel sorry for Camille when she was married to Kelsey.  He treated her like poop.  I never thought that she was completely blameless, but he definitely took advantage of her.  I felt really sorry for her when Kelsey married the stewardess and they were expecting twins and Camille couldn't have children of her own.

As time has gone on, though, I've changed my opinion of Camille.  At first, I thought she was just lost, but now I think she's full of one bad judgment after another.  This fiancé of hers is just one example.  She's become completely different, from the clothes she wears to her attitude.  I think she wants to be known as the sexpot of BH.  Sometimes I think it's because of all the times she's been hurt, yet it seems to be more than that.  I no longer admire her for her courage in the face of adversity and feel that she invites trouble.  I wish she'd go back to the way she once was, sweet and vulnerable.  I miss her.

[zoeysmom]

13 hours ago, Lura said:

Way back in the day, I used to feel sorry for Camille when she was married to Kelsey.  He treated her like poop.  I never thought that she was completely blameless, but he definitely took advantage of her.  I felt really sorry for her when Kelsey married the stewardess and they were expecting twins and Camille couldn't have children of her own.

As time has gone on, though, I've changed my opinion of Camille.  At first, I thought she was just lost, but now I think she's full of one bad judgment after another.  This fiancé of hers is just one example.  She's become completely different, from the clothes she wears to her attitude.  I think she wants to be known as the sexpot of BH.  Sometimes I think it's because of all the times she's been hurt, yet it seems to be more than that.  I no longer admire her for her courage in the face of adversity and feel that she invites trouble.  I wish she'd go back to the way she once was, sweet and vulnerable.  I miss her.

Here is what Kelsey had to say about his marriage to Camille:  http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/08/27/kelsey-grammer-oprah-interview-oprahs-next-chapter-camille-grammer-divorce/

Original source 

 

 

Just a note-when I post a link it does not necessarily mean I agree in whole or part with the contents of said link.  I originally just posted the piece from Hollywood Life and then wondered if perhaps the original interview was available.  I posted three segments.  Kelsey was able to put into his own words what I have been try to convey about Camille and extracting revenge.   Kelsey goes on to talk about why co-parenting would not work.  The third party is quite sad with Kelsey talking about the rape/murder of his sister Karen.  Another link with details:  https://parade.com/50114/parade/murder-of-karen-grammer/

I do think Camille had a strong desire for fame and still does and that is why she is always posing and showing off her fabulous body.  I don't think she has changed from what Kelsey has relayed from his marriage to her to the present day.

[BBHN]

I'm not really seeing the whole evil-revenge-woman thing for Camille. It seems like a marriage that ended badly, and both of them seem to have problems sorting it all out.

Hopefully fourth time is the charm for Kelsey.

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I do think Camille had a strong desire for fame and still does

Which, doesn't really make her any different from any of the other women who appear or have appeared on this show. Or any other HW show.

[zoeysmom]

Three things I took away from the interview.  Camille wasn't blindsided as she made it seem on the show by Kesley wanting out of the marriage, in front of the children she made certain threats, and Kelsey was offended by Camille's public personal assertions about him (her revenge tour).  I don't really give a damn if a person feels they are entitled to revenge because it can be a big part of human nature, but once they exact it-don't toss it back on the other party when they don't forgive or cut you out of their life.  

Kelsey said she always wanted fame and his parting gift to her was the show.  I also thought it was funny that Camille claimed to have given up so much to be in his life-what a career in the Marilyn Chambers short movies?  I don't think Camille counted on by being the fabulous Mrs. Kelsey Grammer she would end up being the "most housewife in America".  An undeserved title but it had to be humiliating.

[SCS]

4 hours ago, BBHN said:

I'm not really seeing the whole evil-revenge-woman thing for Camille. It seems like a marriage that ended badly, and both of them seem to have problems sorting it all out.

Hopefully fourth time is the charm for Kelsey.

Which, doesn't really make her any different from any of the other women who appear or have appeared on this show. Or any other HW show.

 

ITA. And Kelsey does himself no favors with his It-was-pretty-much-over-as-soon-as-it-began-but-I-had-things-to-do shtick. C & K were married in '97; Mason was born in 2001. If, indeed, he felt it was wrong from the beginning, why stick around 4 years until his first child arrived? Logic suggests it's a helluva lot easier to end a marriage before the kidlets arrive, even if one wants to "grow things".

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

 Camille wasn't blindsided as she made it seem on the show by Kesley wanting out of the marriage, in front of the children she made certain threats, and Kelsey was offended by Camille's public personal assertions about him (her revenge tour).

 

According to Kelsey.

[zoeysmom]

7 minutes ago, SCS said:

 

 

According to Kelsey.

I am thinking Kelsey knows how he feels about what Camille said publicly about him on his revenge tour.  

[SCS]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

I am thinking Kelsey knows how he feels about what Camille said publicly about him on his revenge tour.  

 

And I am thinking his perspective demonstrates his personal and skewed recollections, not only about the revenge tour but about all the other marriage-related stuff.

[link417]

7 hours ago, BBHN said:

I'm not really seeing the whole evil-revenge-woman thing for Camille. It seems like a marriage that ended badly, and both of them seem to have problems sorting it all out.

Hopefully fourth time is the charm for Kelsey.

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[princelina]

On 3/9/2018 at 7:15 PM, zoeysmom said:

Camille's fiance:  https://pagesix.com/2018/01/17/camille-grammers-lawyer-fiance-has-a-shady-past/

Wife abuser, still legally married when he popped the question to Camille.  I do think it is funny he drives a Dodge Hellcat.  Does Camille just have a way of picking losers or are losers the only ones attracted to her?  It sounds like his kids are pretty young.  

Haha Mr P is a Godsend to me, but until I met him (at the age of 38) this was the question of my own life. Still no answers :)

On 3/10/2018 at 2:06 PM, zoeysmom said:

Just a note-when I post a link it does not necessarily mean I agree in whole or part with the contents of said link.  I originally just posted the piece from Hollywood Life and then wondered if perhaps the original interview was available.  I posted three segments.  Kelsey was able to put into his own words what I have been try to convey about Camille and extracting revenge.   Kelsey goes on to talk about why co-parenting would not work.  The third party is quite sad with Kelsey talking about the rape/murder of his sister Karen.  Another link with details:  https://parade.com/50114/parade/murder-of-karen-grammer/

I do think Camille had a strong desire for fame and still does and that is why she is always posing and showing off her fabulous body.  I don't think she has changed from what Kelsey has relayed from his marriage to her to the present day.

Thanks for posting - I would not have seen it otherwise.  I'm a huge Frasier fan, and saw a lot of Dr. Frasier Crane in that interview.     Obviously Camille wanted fame - she did soft porn, playboy, and guest starred on Frasier before landing the star!  (Or maybe she landed the star and then got the bit part :). But to assert that their marriage was a lie from the start - not buying it.  If nothing else, he was thrilled as a goofy looking 40-something to land a hot blonde wannabe actress.  I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that it was more, considering that they went on to have kids in a manner that took more time, effort and $$ than the usual route.  Furthermore - if his appearance on RH was a "parting gift" to give her the fame she had always wanted AND keep his commitment to the show - then bringing her to the awards (Tonys?) in NY when he was already having his affair - what kind of gift was that to her?  Whether he was conscious of it or not, it was a slam that he was happy to deliver to her.  

Of course I am also biased in that I think Oprah is a charlatan, and she could have interviewed Camille with a similar tongue bath, and she (Camille) would have been the one coming out noble but strong and long-suffering.  

 

On 3/10/2018 at 6:17 PM, zoeysmom said:

I am thinking Kelsey knows how he feels about what Camille said publicly about him on his revenge tour.  

I am certain he knows how he feels about it.  My thoughts in response vary from "Oh well"  to "Too bad for him".

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, princelina said:

Haha Mr P is a Godsend to me, but until I met him (at the age of 38) this was the question of my own life. Still no answers :)

Thanks for posting - I would not have seen it otherwise.  I'm a huge Frasier fan, and saw a lot of Dr. Frasier Crane in that interview.     Obviously Camille wanted fame - she did soft porn, playboy, and guest starred on Frasier before landing the star!  (Or maybe she landed the star and then got the bit part :). But to assert that their marriage was a lie from the start - not buying it.  If nothing else, he was thrilled as a goofy looking 40-something to land a hot blonde wannabe actress.  I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that it was more, considering that they went on to have kids in a manner that took more time, effort and $$ than the usual route.  Furthermore - if his appearance on RH was a "parting gift" to give her the fame she had always wanted AND keep his commitment to the show - then bringing her to the awards (Tonys?) in NY when he was already having his affair - what kind of gift was that to her?  Whether he was conscious of it or not, it was a slam that he was happy to deliver to her.  

Of course I am also biased in that I think Oprah is a charlatan, and she could have interviewed Camille with a similar tongue bath, and she (Camille) would have been the one coming out noble but strong and long-suffering.  

 

I am certain he knows how he feels about it.  My thoughts in response vary from "Oh well"  to "Too bad for him".

I could not resist I had to dig further-apparently when Kelsey flipped his Viper (maybe Camille is just attracted to men who drive Dodges) he was dating Camille.  What I gleaned from the conversation is when he married Camille he was using drugs and alcohol.  Once he sobered up her sort of settled into the life.  I have a hard time with good actors when they bare their souls because I have no idea if it is real or if it is an act.  I don't think Kelsey had a hard time landing dates.  It just makes me wonder if he didn't feel as if he was worthy of happiness and sobriety.  He and Camille were busy with the houses, the real estate investments, producing the shows. This is an interview a couple of years after the Oprah.  Kelsey's new wife seems almost too good to be true:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3074944/How-Kelsey-Grammer-s-fourth-wife-brought-cosy-domesticity.html  There is some discussion how he met Kayte in December of 2009, and he explained he was going to end his marriage with or without Kayte along for the ride.  RHOBH commenced early filming in December 2009 and regular filming in February.  Kelsey's show opened on Broadway in February of 2010.  The Tonys were in June of 2010 and Camille filed in July of 2010.

What makes this an interesting rendition, is prior to RHOBH, there really weren't any famous RH.  Jeana Keough RHOC was married to a professional ball player but New York had no real name recognition, Atlanta had a pro ball players, New Jersey had no one and all of sudden RHOBH had Paris Hilton's aunts, casino/NBA owner, $20 million dollar houses and a huge Hollywood star who came on via a connection with the local realtor Mauricio (who Camille later fired).  In a strange way it made sense that he was leaving for NY and Camille had something to occupy her time.  After they filmed in Las Vegas, the first season, Camille took the children to Hawaii instead of NY to see Kelsey.  It made me think, it was over way back then.  Then of course we saw his reception when the women went back to New York and it was weird-Camille was kind of rushed out of Kelsey's dressing room.  By the time they filmed the Tonys, Camille was staying in a hotel room and there was no chemistry.  I think Camille wanted the final dramatic scene and he just let her have it-the giant red dress in the pouring rain.  I always kind of figured Camille felt like she could convince him to come back.  It sounded from his account as if she made some threats, in front of the children no less.  Both sides seem to concur there was no sex the last ten years of the 13 year marriage. I got the impression Kelsey knew he was going to be giving Camille about $30 million reasons to be civil but she just could not be.

My issue with Camille is we saw a pretty vicious women in Camille Season 1. I just always assumed Camille was going for the sympathetic character and ended up far from it.  Then there was the Camille who went to Hawaii with her assistant and chief butt kisser and Camille comparing herself to Jesus.  The Allison du Bois stuff, the Faye Resnick stuff, the constant attacks on Kyle and Camille quitting several times.  I think Camille really needed a victim component in her life.  I would think Camille would have been almost relieved to stop the sham marriage.

I think the difference with Oprah and her interviewing is Kelsey is a major star and Camille is an ex-wife.  His career goes on.  I would love to hear Kelsey's true feelings about his daughter modeling.  I am sure he is supportive and wishes her well.

[ShawnaLanne]

On 3/10/2018 at 5:05 PM, SCS said:

 

ITA. And Kelsey does himself no favors with his It-was-pretty-much-over-as-soon-as-it-began-but-I-had-things-to-do shtick. C & K were married in '97; Mason was born in 2001. If, indeed, he felt it was wrong from the beginning, why stick around 4 years until his first child arrived? Logic suggests it's a helluva lot easier to end a marriage before the kidlets arrive, even if one wants to "grow things".

 

According to Kelsey.

Oh.  I believe that she knew,  she's not stupid.  The ways and how's of it were likely a surprise,  but I think she knew it had been over for a while. But, I also call bullshit on the marriage being over as soon as it started for the reasons listed. 

[BBHN]

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ITA. And Kelsey does himself no favors with his It-was-pretty-much-over-as-soon-as-it-began-but-I-had-things-to-do shtick. C & K were married in '97; Mason was born in 2001. If, indeed, he felt it was wrong from the beginning, why stick around 4 years until his first child arrived? Logic suggests it's a helluva lot easier to end a marriage before the kidlets arrive, even if one wants to "grow things".

Amen. Why stay in a marriage without kids if it was over as soon as it began?

[sadiebyuca]

On 3/12/2018 at 2:00 AM, zoeysmom said:

My issue with Camille is we saw a pretty vicious women in Camille Season 1. I just always assumed Camille was going for the sympathetic character and ended up far from it.  Then there was the Camille who went to Hawaii with her assistant and chief butt kisser and Camille comparing herself to Jesus.  The Allison du Bois stuff, the Faye Resnick stuff, the constant attacks on Kyle and Camille quitting several times.

She's always been very biting. I used to feel bad for her because of the divorce, but if her life is so good now, why is she still such a mean girl?

On 3/9/2018 at 10:51 PM, Lura said:

Way back in the day, I used to feel sorry for Camille when she was married to Kelsey.  He treated her like poop.  I never thought that she was completely blameless, but he definitely took advantage of her.  I felt really sorry for her when Kelsey married the stewardess and they were expecting twins and Camille couldn't have children of her own.

As time has gone on, though, I've changed my opinion of Camille.  At first, I thought she was just lost, but now I think she's full of one bad judgment after another.  This fiancé of hers is just one example.  She's become completely different, from the clothes she wears to her attitude.  I think she wants to be known as the sexpot of BH.  Sometimes I think it's because of all the times she's been hurt, yet it seems to be more than that.  I no longer admire her for her courage in the face of adversity and feel that she invites trouble.  I wish she'd go back to the way she once was, sweet and vulnerable.  I miss her.

I agree.  It was such a horrible thing to happen on tv and I felt so sorry for her.  But I really just don't like her at all.  I wish she wasn't on the show so much. It doesn't seem fair that she gets a talking head to make fun of the housewives, but doesn't have to put herself out there for ridicule on the same level as them. 

[BBHN]

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It doesn't seem fair that she gets a talking head to make fun of the housewives, but doesn't have to put herself out there for ridicule on the same level as them. 

She's hanging out with the HWs and is attending many of the same events. They can discuss her in their THs just as much. It's not like there is some rule that a Friend of is off limits.

[zoeysmom]

20 hours ago, sadiebyuca said:

She's always been very biting. I used to feel bad for her because of the divorce, but if her life is so good now, why is she still such a mean girl?

I agree.  It was such a horrible thing to happen on tv and I felt so sorry for her.  But I really just don't like her at all.  I wish she wasn't on the show so much. It doesn't seem fair that she gets a talking head to make fun of the housewives, but doesn't have to put herself out there for ridicule on the same level as them. 

Since this is Erika's thread I will speak in Erika terms.  There is a reason Erika isn't BFFs with Camille and I believe it is because she watches Camille gravitate to whoever is most popular.  In NYC when Rinna and Erika were laughing about LVP leaving in the Rolls, Erika said she is competitive-meaning LVP, Camille and Rinna agreed and Teddi got very quiet.  Rinna, Erika and Camille were all laughing as Dorit told of being told by LVP she leaves her when others are around, she talks too much and LVP may be jealous when she talks to Kyle.  At that point we have Camille  laughing along with Rinna and Erika over the Alexis Carrington visual LVP provided them.

Dorit, at Erika's urging, was giving the rundown on what happened at the beach house - which was all about Dorit telling Erika Kyle and other were talking about her.  As soon as Dorit said, "Kyle was outspoken," Teddi was like an agent taking a bullet for the President and started down her Erika is weird path.  Next day Camille is sitting with Teddi and complaining about it being the Dorit show and conveniently leaving out how she had said LVP and Kyle were competitive, and how Teddi had once again brought the evening to a close by calling Erika weird in the way she behaved at the beach house.

All Camille has done is complained about how much Dorit talks as has Teddi and that she is a show off blab, blah.  So that is Camille's story line Dorit talks too much  until she doesn't and then it is she can't take a joke.  Camille, without a story line, even brought it up again at dinner  and asked Dorit if she was okay.  Dorit isn't giving Camille the time of day.  Be careful what you wish for Camille-you are no longer worthy of being spoken to.  

Anyway, and I have never been a great fan of Erika's-I think she has pretty much stayed out of things.  Teddi and Camille seem to be trying to use her to a certain extent to eviscerate Dorit and Erika is just a little more sage than to fall for such clumsiness.  Erika has watched these women go at each other kiss and break up and kiss and make up.  Erika has tried to tell Teddi and LVP there is more to things but neither will listen.  Camille had to be mortified when Erika landed on Teddi.  Now she has had to pick a side.  Rinna, Dorit and Erika seem to have bonded and Camille is going Season 1 girls with Teddi as a plus one.  Who knows whose side Kyle will come down on.  After Kyle's behavior in NYC she certainly can't chastise Erika for delivery of the message.  The best part is this is Kyle who called Camille a "fucking liar".  Rinna, Dorit and Erika all see Camille for the chameleon she is.  

Edited March 19, 2018 by zoeysmom

[sadiebyuca]

16 hours ago, BBHN said:

She's hanging out with the HWs and is attending many of the same events. They can discuss her in their THs just as much. It's not like there is some rule that a Friend of is off limits.

I didn't think there was a rule.  However, they don't spend much time talking about her because she's not a HW.  She's just a friend, as you said.  But why is she at everything if she's not a HW?  She's at EVERYTHING and she bugs me.  That's it. I guess. She bugs me. LOL

8 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Camille gravitate to whoever is most popular. 

Exactly.

[Higgins]

How does Camille know who is popular during filming?

[nexxie]

I get the feeling both Kelsey and Camille are fame-hungry liars.

[zoeysmom]

2 minutes ago, Higgins said:

How does Camille know who is popular during filming?

By popular I mean among the RH at that point in filming.

[zoeysmom]

5 minutes ago, nexxie said:

I get the feeling both Kelsey and Camille are fame-hungry liars.

The only difference is one has six Emmys and the other doesn't.   It is hard to find news about Kelsey-other than what he is working on-instead I found this to celebrate his birthday https://parade.com/647736/lindsaylowe/happy-birthday-kelsey-grammer-21-frasier-quotes-that-still-make-us-laugh-out-loud/.  I loved Frasier.

[WireWrap]

38 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Since this is Erika's thread I will speak in Erika terms.  There is a reason Erika isn't BFFs with Camille and I believe it is because she watches Camille gravitate to whoever is most popular.  In NYC when Rinna and Erika were laughing about LVP leaving in the Rolls, Erika said she is competitive-meaning LVP, Camille and Rinna agreed and Teddi got very quiet.  Rinna, Erika and Camille were all laughing as Dorit told of being told by LVP she leaves her when others are around, she talks too much and LVP may be jealous when she talks to Kyle.  At that point we have Camille  laughing along with Rinna and Erika over the Alexis Carrington visual LVP provided them.

Dorit, at Erika's urging, was giving the rundown on what happened at the beach house - which was all about Dorit telling Erika Kyle and other were talking about her.  As soon as Dorit said, "Kyle was outspoken," Teddi was like an agent taking a bullet for the President and started down her Erika is weird path.  Next day Camille is sitting with Teddi and complaining about it being the Dorit show and conveniently leaving out how she had said LVP and Kyle were competitive, and how Teddi had once again brought the evening to a close by calling Erika weird in the way she behaved at the beach house.

All Camille has done is complained about how much Dorit talks as has Teddi and that she is a show off blab, blah.  So that is Camille's story line Dorit talks too much  until she doesn't and then it is she can't take a joke.  Camille, without a story line, even brought it up again at dinner  and asked Dorit if she was okay.  Dorit isn't giving Camille the time of day.  Be careful what you wish for Camille-you are no longer worthy of being spoken to.  

Anyway, and I have never been a great fan of Erika's-I think she has pretty much stayed out of things.  Teddi and Camille seem to be trying to use her to a certain extent to eviscerate Dorit and Erika is just a little more sage than to fall for such clumsiness.  Erika has watched these women go at each other kiss and break up and kiss and make up.  Erika has tried to tell Teddi and LVP there is more to things but neither will listen.  Camille had to be mortified when Erika landed on Teddi.  Now she has had to pick a side.  Rinna, Dorit and Erika seem to have bonded and Camille is going Season 1 girls with Teddi as a plus one.  Who knows whose side Kyle will come down on.  After Kyle's behavior in NYC she certainly can't chastise Erika for delivery of the message.  The best part is this is Kyle who called Camille a "fucking liar".  Rinna, Dorit and Erika all see Camille for the chameleon she is.  

Camille and Erika were all kissy face last season, in fact, Camille supported Erika/Eileen/Rinna over Dorit last season. I do think Camille thought Erika/Rinna would have her back this season after the comments Dorit made to her at Kyle's house but she is seeing that they have no loyalty to her now that they are fine with Dorit. Funny how Erika goes off the deep end when someone else talks about her or, heaven forbid, questions her but then thinks no one else should be upset when it happens to them. She, Erika, is a "Do as I say, not as I do" person. LOL

[zoeysmom]

35 minutes ago, sadiebyuca said:

I didn't think there was a rule.  However, they don't spend much time talking about her because she's not a HW.  She's just a friend, as you said.  But why is she at everything if she's not a HW?  She's at EVERYTHING and she bugs me.  That's it. I guess. She bugs me. LOL

Exactly.

Camille kind of got a little snub this year-she announced she was back with the women full time and then it didn't happen.  She did have to endure the "stupid cunt" comment so I guessthey had to give her a few talking heads.

[zoeysmom]

8 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Camille and Erika were all kissy face last season, in fact, Camille supported Erika/Eileen/Rinna over Dorit last season. I do think Camille thought Erika/Rinna would have her back this season after the comments Dorit made to her at Kyle's house but she is seeing that they have no loyalty to her now that they are fine with Dorit. Funny how Erika goes off the deep end when someone else talks about her or, heaven forbid, questions her but then thinks no one else should be upset when it happens to them. She, Erika, is a "Do as I say, not as I do" person. LOL

Camille from her first blog this year:  My first encounter with Dorit was at a luncheon I hosted at my home in Malibu. My first impression was that she was pleasant company until she and Eileen kept going around in circles over an event that happened last year. I have not had the opportunity to get to know Dorit.

Last year I don't think the rest wanted much to do Rinna after the Reunion.  Rinna and Camille obviously have a  commonality with their daughters modeling.

I think Camille was more Kyle, Kim, LVP last year with a side of Dorit.  At the first meeting in Las Vegas Camille cracked wise about  Rinna not having Eileen as a wingman.

Camille from her blog:  I enjoy my time with Kyle and Lisa V, but I’m not so sure about their new best friend. 

Camille is all about the original cast.  When she was a totally different person.

[Jel]

34 minutes ago, Higgins said:

How does Camille know who is popular during filming?

She could have also checked who was popular with the fans via social media.  It's no secret that Dorit is not, and was not a huge fan favourite.  I think Camille is pretty savvy that way.

[WireWrap]

52 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Camille from her first blog this year:  My first encounter with Dorit was at a luncheon I hosted at my home in Malibu. My first impression was that she was pleasant company until she and Eileen kept going around in circles over an event that happened last year. I have not had the opportunity to get to know Dorit.

Last year I don't think the rest wanted much to do Rinna after the Reunion.  Rinna and Camille obviously have a  commonality with their daughters modeling.

I think Camille was more Kyle, Kim, LVP last year with a side of Dorit.  At the first meeting in Las Vegas Camille cracked wise about  Rinna not having Eileen as a wingman.

Camille from her blog:  I enjoy my time with Kyle and Lisa V, but I’m not so sure about their new best friend. 

Camille is all about the original cast.  When she was a totally different person.

Right, Camille didn't think much of Dorit after that lunch, she was all team Eileen/Rinna/Erika. LOL Camille doesn't want to cross Lisa, she never has but I also thinks she knows not to cross Erika as well. 

[zoeysmom]

6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Right, Camille didn't think much of Dorit after that lunch, she was all team Eileen/Rinna/Erika. LOL Camille doesn't want to cross Lisa, she never has but I also thinks she knows not to cross Erika as well. 

What I thought was interesting is Camille said, Eileen and Dorit kept going round and round.  She kind of threw Eileen under the bus.

Oh Camille and LVP aren't great buddies. LVP is nice to her but there is no close friendship.  The only person Camille has been loyal to is Adrienne and LVP and Adrienne have no use for each other.

The reason I mentioned Erika is I don't think they have hit it off.  Camille is too smart to risk getting a tongue lashing.

[WireWrap]

49 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

What I thought was interesting is Camille said, Eileen and Dorit kept going round and round.  She kind of threw Eileen under the bus.

Oh Camille and LVP aren't great buddies. LVP is nice to her but there is no close friendship.  The only person Camille has been loyal to is Adrienne and LVP and Adrienne have no use for each other.

The reason I mentioned Erika is I don't think they have hit it off.  Camille is too smart to risk getting a tongue lashing.

I do think Camille wants to be team Erika but hasn't quite gotten there yet but she will in time IMO. One thing about Camille is that she is an ass kisser and Erika just loves a good ass kisser, Eileen/Rinna. LOL

[BBHN]

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But why is she at everything if she's not a HW?

Because Friends of get invited to and participate in many HWs events. Granted, some more than others.

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However, they don't spend much time talking about her because she's not a HW.

Well, we don't know how much the other HWs are talking about her, and the producers aren't showing it.

In any case, your original point was:

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It doesn't seem fair that she gets a talking head to make fun of the housewives, but doesn't have to put herself out there for ridicule on the same level as them. 

She is putting herself out there since is at many of the same events, and is interacting with most of them. Whether or not the other HWs are mentioning her in their THs, or if they are and the producers are choosing not to show it, is another matter entirely.

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I get the feeling both Kelsey and Camille are fame-hungry liars.

Well, this is a RH show, that wouldn't exactly make Camille an outlier...

[Higgins]

10 hours ago, Jel said:

She could have also checked who was popular with the fans via social media.  It's no secret that Dorit is not, and was not a huge fan favourite.  I think Camille is pretty savvy that way.

She couldn't know how Teddi would come across to fans. So why would she gravitate toward her?

[zoeysmom]

7 hours ago, Higgins said:

She couldn't know how Teddi would come across to fans. So why would she gravitate toward her?

It is not about  popularity with fans, it is about who is getting the most "love" from the other RH.  By the time they finished in NYC there could be no doubt in anyone's mind Dorit was not popular.  Kyle commented that Teddi was standing up for LVP more than LVP was in her tirade against Dorit.  Camille also wisely left with Rinna before anyone could bring up the discussion at NYC dinner of LVP being competitive.  

We are now at the critical junction for Camille does she go old school with LVP, Kyle and plus one Teddi?  Or does she go with Erika. RInna and by default Dorit?  Dorit is not totally alienated from LVP or Kyle, and Teddi is only alienated from Erika.  

Camille can hang onto the "stupid cunt" comment forever and she has and I don't believe it will gave her the desired result.  Camille had her big scene on behalf of all the other women calling Dorit a "tattle tale" and telling her she talks for attention.  When that failed to cause a reaction from Dorit, she did the ball gag thing, complete with the creepy touching of Dorit and still no outrageous response from Dorit.  Finally the night at dinner,  Camille had to bring it up again and got blown off by Dorit.  Then Dorit moves on to Teddi and puts her on blast for telling Rinna what she said.  Erika goes off on Teddi.

A true choice for Camille-does she go against Teddi for shooting her mouth off, same exact thing she chided Dorit about?  Or does she turn on Erika and Rinna?  A third choice-does she run to Kyle and give a Teddi friendly, Erika unfriendly version?  So many choices.

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[WireWrap]

15 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

It is not about  popularity with fans, it is about who is getting the most "love" from the other RH.  By the time they finished in NYC there could be no doubt in anyone's mind Dorit was not popular.  Kyle commented that Teddi was standing up for LVP more than LVP was in her tirade against Dorit.  Camille also wisely left with Rinna before anyone could bring up the discussion at NYC dinner of LVP being competitive.  

We are now at the critical junction for Camille does she go old school with LVP, Kyle and plus one Teddi?  Or does she go with Erika. RInna and by default Dorit?  Dorit is not totally alienated from LVP or Kyle, and Teddi is only alienated from Erika.  

Camille can hang onto the "stupid cunt" comment forever and she has and I don't believe it will gave her the desired result.  Camille had her big scene on behalf of all the other women calling Dorit a "tattle tale" and telling her she talks for attention.  When that failed to cause a reaction from Dorit, she did the ball gag thing, complete with the creepy touching of Dorit and still no outrageous response from Dorit.  Finally the night at dinner,  Camille had to bring it up again and got blown off by Dorit.  Then Dorit moves on to Teddi and puts her on blast for telling Rinna what she said.  Erika goes off on Teddi.

A true choice for Camille-does she go against Teddi for shooting her mouth off, same exact thing she chided Dorit about?  Or does she turn on Erika and Rinna?  A third choice-does she run to Kyle and give a Teddi friendly, Erika unfriendly version?  So many choices.

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I suspect that Camille will be season 2 Camille for the most part and float between the 2 sides with the exception of Dorit. 

[zoeysmom]

4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I suspect that Camille will be season 2 Camille for the most part and float between the 2 sides with the exception of Dorit. 

My guess is you are correct and that is why Camille did not get a diamond this year.  I am sure there will some explanation for why she doesn't go to Berlin.  Most likely it will tie back to cancer in some iteration instead of Erika not wanting her to go.

I have this notion that although Dorit comes off horribly on the show  Kyle, LVP, Erika do not seem to mind spending time with Dorit off camera.  Dorit even said she and Rinna are close now.  Then there is Camille-each time she is on it comes off as a huge posing opportunity.  Or maybe it is because she lives in Malibu.

[KungFuBunny]

13 hours ago, BBHN said:

Because Friends of get invited to and participate in many HWs events. Granted, some more than others.

Well, we don't know how much the other HWs are talking about her, and the producers aren't showing it.

In any case, your original point was:

She is putting herself out there since is at many of the same events, and is interacting with most of them. Whether or not the other HWs are mentioning her in their THs, or if they are and the producers are choosing not to show it, is another matter entirely.

Well, this is a RH show, that wouldn't exactly make Camille an outlier...

For a "Friend Of" Camille has been in a lot of scenes. Adrienne was touted as a friend of this season and we saw a blip of her in Vegas and poof she's gone.

Every time she is on WWHL - she is asked by a viewer if she is coming back as a full time HW. She and Andy say each time - they discuss it every season.

She just might for next season if she wants to use the show as a platform for Mason's modeling and another possible story line would be nuptial preparations

[Higgins]

On ‎3‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 6:15 PM, Jel said:

She could have also checked who was popular with the fans via social media.  It's no secret that Dorit is not, and was not a huge fan favourite.  I think Camille is pretty savvy that way.

Except at the time of filming nobody knew anything about Teddi being "popular". I mean at the dinner she was so "popular" that Erika asked her just how she felt "IN" this group of women. So the cast must not have sensed she would be a fan favorite.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Higgins

[Jel]

54 minutes ago, Higgins said:

Except at the time of filming nobody knew anything about Teddi being "popular". I mean at the dinner she was so "popular" that Erika asked her just how she felt "IN" this group of women. So the cast must not have sensed she would be a fan favorite.

Nobody knew Teddi would be popular with the fans at the time of filming, true. I am just speculating, but, I can see a savvy person making note of the fact that one HW is really unpopular (Dorit). From there it's an educated guess that siding with the newb against the unpopular veteran might be met with fan appreciation.  Camille got it very rough from viewers the first season, so I can understand her not wanting a repeat this time around. 

I thought Erika used the word "IN" as a synonym of the word "among".  I didn't get the impression she thought Teddi was going to be popular or unpopular with the fans from that question. 

[Higgins]

Yes I understand she meant among however the implication IMO, was you don't fit in. We are up here and you are some Podunk Indiana bred hillbilly. That's what I think.

[MatildaMoody]

On 3/19/2018 at 8:09 PM, WireWrap said:

I do think Camille wants to be team Erika but hasn't quite gotten there yet but she will in time IMO. One thing about Camille is that she is an ass kisser and Erika just loves a good ass kisser, Eileen/Rinna. LOL

Interesting. I have never seen Camille as an ass kisser. The clearest picture I have of her is her first season and she came on assuming she would be the star. She had the most money, the most famous last name, the most property, and the ability to hurt Kyle's income. In later seasons when she got some really great PR, she still didn't seem to be an ass kisser. To me, she has always expected other people to kiss her ass. Her friend of appearances tend to seem the same way for me. She is there to participate, but she expects a certain level of special treatment to do so. 

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, MatildaMoody said:

Interesting. I have never seen Camille as an ass kisser. The clearest picture I have of her is her first season and she came on assuming she would be the star. She had the most money, the most famous last name, the most property, and the ability to hurt Kyle's income. In later seasons when she got some really great PR, she still didn't seem to be an ass kisser. To me, she has always expected other people to kiss her ass. Her friend of appearances tend to seem the same way for me. She is there to participate, but she expects a certain level of special treatment to do so. 

I agree, she does like special treatment but she does kiss up to one of the dominate HWs when she is on, such as Adrienne and then Kyle.

[zoeysmom]

5 hours ago, MatildaMoody said:

Interesting. I have never seen Camille as an ass kisser. The clearest picture I have of her is her first season and she came on assuming she would be the star. She had the most money, the most famous last name, the most property, and the ability to hurt Kyle's income. In later seasons when she got some really great PR, she still didn't seem to be an ass kisser. To me, she has always expected other people to kiss her ass. Her friend of appearances tend to seem the same way for me. She is there to participate, but she expects a certain level of special treatment to do so. 

I found this-http://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-dorit-kemsley-swimsuit-line-camille-grammer-reacts  Wow what a snappy retort.

There are times I find Camille just trying too hard.  The whole beach house thing.  Camille poses and creates scenes.  It made me laugh when they were working out on the deck and LVP, Kyle and Teddi relegated Camille to the back row.  No chance for much camera time.  All the yucks were in the front row.  

Camille and her carefully crafted persona are quite boring.  For some reason Camille wants to focus on below the waist stuff-way too much.   It really is all about her.  Her daughter gets the finale walk in the fourteenth place Project Runway designer, next round Camille walking in the show.  Then there is her vagina-that of a 16 year old.  I know Camille isn't with her 16 year old's father, but saying especially to the mothers of 16 year old daughters is kind of base.  

Mostly Camille is on this big PR tour and guess what I really don't care about Camille getting her groove back.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-8/videos/camille-grammer-explains-how-she-got-her-groove  When did Camille ever runway model?  She was a B-list nude model doing soft core porn.

Camille is way too consumed with Dorit.  Granted it seems the producers ran the same talking head of Camille wanting Dorit to shut up and the scene at Rinna's mom's luncheon was so badly done with all the cuts and splices the entire 45 seconds seemed so manufactured.

I am sure she will be on fire at the Reunion-that is where she does some of her best acting.

[SuprSuprElevated]

The wedding weekend, sans LVP

Looks like Dorit has had some reconfiggerin'.

Edited October 20, 2018 by SuprSuprElevated

[Baltimore Betty]

44 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

The wedding weekend, sans LVP

Looks like Dorit has had some reconfiggerin'.

I want Lisar's red dress, sluethers do your work! Find me that dress!

[oceanview]

On 10/20/2018 at 8:50 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

I want Lisar's red dress, sluethers do your work! Find me that dress!

Well if you find it, I know you will look much better in it  than Lisa did in a later picture when she bent over in it.  Really, she was a mess.   It might have been a different dress, but it was red.       With all the money they all spend o  clothes, you would think they could get them to fit better.   This picture of all of them is lovely though.

[Sew Sumi]

The other dress was pink strapless. Just awful. It's on the Media thread, I think.

[oceanview]

On 10/20/2018 at 8:50 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

I want Lisar's red dress, sluethers do your work! Find me that dress!

At Baltimore Betty...   my error, it was another red dress.  Check out the Media Postings on Beverly Hills forum to see the plain red dress I was referring to earlier.  This one is really beautiful and very becoming, unlike the plain one.

3 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

The other dress was pink strapless. Just awful. It's on the Media thread, I think.

You are right.  I was just posting the correction when your remark came thru.  I hope Baltimore Betty sees it too.   Good grief!!!

[SuprSuprElevated]