S11.E08: I'm Not a Baby!

[jnymph]

So no one's mentioned;

Bill *matter of factly* "Should I toss your salad?" 
Jen *also matter of factly*" I haven't even had wine yet" 

LMAO !   Soooooooooooooo devilishly subtle.   My jaw dropped and then I LOL'd 

[TipseyGirl]

17 minutes ago, jnymph said:

So no one's mentioned;

Bill *matter of factly* "Should I toss your salad?" 
Jen *also matter of factly*" I haven't even had wine yet" 

LMAO !   Soooooooooooooo devilishly subtle.   My jaw dropped and then I LOL'd 

LOL! I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up :-D

[woodscommaelle]

3 hours ago, camom said:

 

Nevermind/changed my mind :)

Edited November 10, 2017 by woodscommaelle

[floridamom]

I find that Will doesn't respect his father much either, so the theory about respecting males more doesn't fly with me yet. He also acts up around the grandfathers who are male also. That was a good possibility, though to think of that.  Somehow, that cute swimming teacher, Jarrod? has the children's attention, focus and respect. I feels sorry for Bill and Jen when they witness this. They have to know.

[alegtostandon]

On 11/8/2017 at 11:21 AM, flyingdi said:

Hasn't it been said on the show that Will has some deafness?  That may be why he skips words and needs things such as the speech therapy words repeated 3 times.

Not to be mean, but Jen has a slightly high pitched voice.   That may be harder if Will has hearing problems.  I have hearing problems and will fully admit I'm just guessing here.

Will heard her just fine when she said he couldn't go to the store with Bill. It seems more like "selective hearing" to me.

I agree with those who say Jen uses too many words. Plus she phrases things in the form of a question, rather than a direction, which gives the kids the impression they have an option. "Will, Zoey, can we get these toys picked up, please? Ok. Thank you." She should make it short (No pun intended) and direct: "Will, Zoey, you have 3 minutes to get all of these toys picked up or no going with Dad".

[BW Manilowe]

31 minutes ago, alegtostandon said:

Will heard her just fine when she said he couldn't go to the store with Bill. It seems more like "selective hearing" to me.

I agree with those who say Jen uses too many words. Plus she phrases things in the form of a question, rather than a direction, which gives the kids the impression they have an option. "Will, Zoey, can we get these toys picked up, please? Ok. Thank you." She should make it short (No pun intended) and direct: "Will, Zoey, you have 3 minutes to get all of these toys picked up or no going with Dad".

Yes, Will apparently did hear Jen regarding going/not going to the store with Bill in the episode. But at least part of the reason Will needed tubes put into his ears, not long after he was brought to the US (when they took him to Delaware to see the dwarfism specialists the first or second time, when he also had an MRI to check if he was getting any dwarfism-related issues with his spinal column, & his tonsils & adenoids were removed), was that he was having hearing issues. I very definitely remember Jen saying that.

[SMama]

I wish I could say I learned this through parenting, but it was during forensic interviewing training. You don’t ask, you tell the child what to do. If you give a child a choice, what do you expect, they will choose. It’s not easy and perhaps I’m better at it because I practiced daily, it was my job. It kills me when my husband asks our daughter, how about taking a bath. Nope, it’s bath time, it’s bedtime, you only eat at the dining room table, etc.

i must admit the counting to three drives me nuts. Best way to let a child know you are not serious, there’s wiggle room. My daughter cracks us up when she sees parents counting. She was only five and saw it at the store. Our daughter has no volume control. She turned to us with a puzzled look and asked, “why is the mama counting? I’m supposed to do things right away.” We wanted the big one to hit CA at that moment and bury us under the rubble. 

That exchange between Bill and Jen cracked me up, super cute. I’m glad they still talk that way after two kids. 

[speac]

25 minutes ago, alegtostandon said:

Will heard her just fine when she said he couldn't go to the store with Bill. It seems more like "selective hearing" to me.

I agree with those who say Jen uses too many words. Plus she phrases things in the form of a question, rather than a direction, which gives the kids the impression they have an option. "Will, Zoey, can we get these toys picked up, please? Ok. Thank you." She should make it short (No pun intended) and direct: "Will, Zoey, you have 3 minutes to get all of these toys picked up or no going with Dad".

You do realize that your short direction is longer than the one you give as Jen's being too long. (grin)  Besides I think the best way to teach kids the right way to talk is to use the words you want them to use like adding the words please and thank you.  Of course my kids are now 18 and 21 so I am beginning to forget their absolute brat stages and they are now fading into the perfect children.  Heck, who am I kidding my kids had more than their share of moments I wanted to strangle them for, usually when they were tired, had an audience, in a store or on camera but I was just fortunate it wasn't on a national TV show.

The bullying message on this show is important and can't be emphasized enough.  My kids were bullied from kindergarten on for any number of reasons, with each child.  As a parent, it is painful every time it happened and every time has to be handled slightly different depending on the ages of both the kid and the bullies.  Bullying comes from so many places, (ignorance, pain, fear...) that the best we can do for our kids is to teach them how to react with strength and dignity.

[Libby]

The children are misbehaving before a national TV audience because their very weathy parents, who don't appear to need the money, choose to put them there.

[SMama]

34 minutes ago, speac said:

As a parent, it is painful every time it happened and every time has to be handled slightly different depending on the ages of both the kid and the bullies.  Bullying comes from so many places, (ignorance, pain, fear...) that the best we can do for our kids is to teach them how to react with strength and dignity.

I am sorry you had to deal with your kids being bullied. I’m sure it still hurts to this day. I was bullied as a child and teen, my first born was mercilessly bullied. For some reason our Chinese daughter, with a Puerto Rican mother, Caucasian father, and lesbian grandmother can do no wrong. We were thinking it would just happen, but so far not a problem. She starts middle school next year, now we begin to worry again. 

I am going to give Jen and Bill the benefit of the doubt about their response to Will being called a baby. I doubt that was the first time they heard about the incident. Most scenes are staged, so I do not know what to trust. I have noticed that they try to protect the child’s privacy, like not showing (to my knowledge) them changing the kids’ diapers, not showing Zoey with her pants down when getting her shots, no potty training, etc. Perhaps they did explore other reasons for the name calling (which is never OK), but for the show, and the scene, it was better to talk about Will’s stature. They can’t be unaware of their son’’s behavior compared to same age peers. 

On a recent episode with 7 Little Johnstons Trent was the epitome of reacting with strength and dignity to bullying. He did not belittle the kids, he educated them, gave them a point of reference (about a word that would offend them without using the word), and was polite. I’m sure Jen and Bill will prepare Will and Zoey to react in the same manner. 

[Libby]

28 minutes ago, SMama said:

 

On a recent episode with 7 Little Johnstons Trent was the epitome of reacting with strength and dignity to bullying. He did not belittle the kids, he educated them, gave them a point of reference (about a word that would offend them without using the word), and was polite. I’m sure Jen and Bill will prepare Will and Zoey to react in the same manner. 

I saw the way that Trent Johnston handled that bullying incident. It was truly impressive. He not only taught his own children how to deal with bullying, he taught everyone who was viewing the show.

I don't agree that Bill and Jen will teach their children to deal with bullying as well as Trent did his. Neither of them seem as people savvy as Trent to me.

Edited November 10, 2017 by Libby

[SMama]

I can see Bill handling it better than Jen. He is naturally more outgoing, and Jen is a book person. Nothing wrong with that, she has provided her family a very comfortable living.

[Jeanne222]

Bill uses an opportunity each episode to talk down to Jen.  This last week it was her cooking.  Some men seem to get a high from doing that to their wives.  I have found it especially notable in marriages where the wife is more highly educated than the husband. 

To me it makes both of them look bad.  Him for doing it and her for allowing it.

[SMama]

I wonder if Bill would rather Jen be an excellent cook, stays home, and he provides for the family. I don’t think he could provide for the living they are accustomed to. 

[Jeanne222]

I think Bill is a very happy man with Jen's paycheck and TlC's paycheck coming in regularly.  He's also King of the Hill.

Just giving Jen a zap here and there elevates him even more.  It's his high.

I would just love to have a little sit down with Jen's mother and hear how things really are in the household.  Yum.

[speac]

46 minutes ago, SMama said:

I am sorry you had to deal with your kids being bullied. I’m sure it still hurts to this day. I was bullied as a child and teen, my first born was mercilessly bullied. For some reason our Chinese daughter, with a Puerto Rican mother, Caucasian father, and lesbian grandmother can do no wrong. We were thinking it would just happen, but so far not a problem. She starts middle school next year, now we begin to worry again. 

I am going to give Jen and Bill the benefit of the doubt about their response to Will being called a baby. I doubt that was the first time they heard about the incident. Most scenes are staged, so I do not know what to trust. I have noticed that they try to protect the child’s privacy, like not showing (to my knowledge) them changing the kids’ diapers, not showing Zoey with her pants down when getting her shots, no potty training, etc. Perhaps they did explore other reasons for the name calling (which is never OK), but for the show, and the scene, it was better to talk about Will’s stature. They can’t be unaware of their son’’s behavior compared to same age peers. 

On a recent episode with 7 Little Johnstons Trent was the epitome of reacting with strength and dignity to bullying. He did not belittle the kids, he educated them, gave them a point of reference (about a word that would offend them without using the word), and was polite. I’m sure Jen and Bill will prepare Will and Zoey to react in the same manner. 

I was bullied as well.  I kind of sometimes view it as part of growing up, it hurts but it has made me who I am today and I am pretty comfortable with myself.  I would have loved to protected my kids from being bullied but again, it will be one of the pillars that they will build their life stories on and become strong from it.

Kids can always find something to bully over and it seems like it will never be the things you prepare yourself and them for.  The only time though I ever went to the school though was when my daughter was bullied by a teacher but it was like facing a brick wall.  I was told he was old, respected and would retire in a year or so and they didn't want to hurt career but they would 'talk' to him.  I asked daughter if she wanted me to go further and she didn't, so I felt I should respect her wishes.  At time time she was struggling with her differences and she didn't want us to be labeled as 'one of those families.' (It was not of a sexual nature or I would have started with the cops and gone both up and down rattling chains, believe me).  

[flyingdi]

Does Bill own a telecommunications company or not?  I have always heard he does in addition to the pet store.

[BitterApple]

12 minutes ago, flyingdi said:

Does Bill own a telecommunications company or not?  I have always heard he does in addition to the pet store.

This is Bill's bio, according to their official website. It lists the companies he's worked for, but is somewhat vague in regards to what he actually did at those companies. To me, it comes across as a lot of resume fluffing:

https://www.thelittlecouple.com/about-bill

[Libby]

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Edited November 11, 2017 by Libby

[Foghorn Leghorn]

He can now add inventor to his resume with the tower pee pads!

[Veronique Bette]

2 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Bill uses an opportunity each episode to talk down to Jen.  This last week it was her cooking.  Some men seem to get a high from doing that to their wives.  I have found it especially notable in marriages where the wife is more highly educated than the husband. 

To me it makes both of them look bad.  Him for doing it and her for allowing it.

I disagree. In this episode, Bill (with his characteristic droll, understated humor) was trying to tell Jen that the flame under the vegetables was too high. He was right and she wouldn’t listen. Her expertise is not in the kitchen and she admits this. I never see Bill putting Jen down; in fact, he is proud of how accomplished she is in her profession and he has been this way from the earliest episodes right after they got married. I just checked out their wedding/honeymoon episodes on YouTube. These two intelligent, educated and very nice people balance and complement each other in the most fundamental ways (including his naughty “tossed salad” reference, lol), and I admire both of them and how they came together as a married couple and parents of two children with many challenges. Also, I do not agree that Bill is “deadweight” in the marriage and family, and that Jen is “saddled” with him. Jen would not have gotten through her cancer crisis nor Bill his back surgery without each other’s support, and especially when they were in the midst of adopting two children from two different countries with more than one challenging condition. Many other marriages would have crumbled in the face of all these crises.

[Snow8585]

The folks at New Day where Will came from and the Indian orphanage where Zoey came from probably cringe IF and when they see how these kids are turning out. Showing little or no respect to parents, eating lots of junk food, running around like wild things in stores, throwing toys on the floor in front of guests, driving around in toy cars, huge sense of entitlements,  etc etc. They probably shake their heads and say Yep, American excess from wealthy parents.

Edited November 11, 2017 by Snow8585
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[viewer]

If the show is scripted to get ratings for bad behavior than shame on Bill and Jen.    The children are not hired actors and this is detrimental during their early years.    I  don't see the show lasting much longer.   

[Jeanne222]

On still waiting for a tell all from Jen's mother.  She can hardly look at Bill!

[viewer]

I don't think Jens mom would do that out of loyalty to Jen.  I think the book will be written by Zoey!   Filming her adoption day was in terrible taste.  They could have shown the outside of the orphanage and the hotel where she met Will.  Her eyes haunt me to this day.  She was terrified.    

[camom]

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I think the best way to teach kids the right way to talk is to use the words you want them to use like adding the words please and thank you.

Mostly, I agree with this.  However, when you need the kids to do something you shouldn't phrase it as a question.  ("Would you pick up your toys, please?")  My choice would be "You need to pick up your toys now" and if appropriate add "before you can" do whatever activity they want to do.  Thanking them once they've done it is great.  I'm hopeful that Bill and Jen will "get it" pretty soon.  Since they can't physically control their kids (especially Jen) they need to be able to trust that they will listen to them.  

[Rap541]

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he folks at New Day where Will came from and the Indian orphanage where Zoey came from probably cringe IF and when they see how these kids are turning out. Showing little or no respect to parents, eating lots of junk food, running around like wild things in stores, throwing toys on the floor in front of guests, driving around in toy cars, huge sense of entitlements,  etc etc. They probably shake their heads and say Yep, American excess from wealthy parents.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the people at New Day and the Indian orphanage probably pray every day that every kid in their corral gets adopted by wealthy American parents versus the alternative they face as poor orphans. 

[Snow8585]

Too bad the Nanny probably had to sign something saying no tell alls when her employment ended with them.

[toodles]

6 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

On still waiting for a tell all from Jen's mother.  She can hardly look at Bill!

Jen's mom has a great relationship with Bill.  She managed the pet store for years and they had an episode where they went to a convention together. 

Jen's parents also had lovely things to say on Bill's birthday video about Bill and Bill and jen's relationship.

[Snow8585]

1 hour ago, Rap541 said:

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the people at New Day and the Indian orphanage probably pray every day that every kid in their corral gets adopted by wealthy American parents versus the alternative they face as poor orphans. 

Yes they probably do except that I think they also care how their kids are treated and how they are raised. 

[BW Manilowe]

28 minutes ago, toodles said:

Jen's mom has a great relationship with Bill.  She managed the pet store for years and they had an episode where they went to a convention together. 

Jen's parents also had lovely things to say on Bill's birthday video about Bill and Bill and jen's relationship.

Yeah. Jen's mom, I'm pretty sure it was in Bill's 40th birthday ep, did (as I remember) a talking head, or maybe just a voice over, where she said that (probably like many/most/all mothers--or parents, in general--of special needs kids) she was afraid that, as she was growing up/once she grew up Jen would never get to experience a lot of the stuff that non-disabled females her age did (meaning marriage & children; presumably also becoming a "sexual being"; who knows... maybe Jen's mom could've thought Jen going into medicine/such a complicated specialty as neonatology [with pediatrics] might've been a way of dealing with not having that kind of life, if it didn't happen for her, as in Jen would devote herself to her career instead. Maybe I'm also putting words into Jen's mom's mouth). And Jen's mom said (this time, as I remember, in the family video made for Bill's birthday), that she was very thankful/grateful (I don't remember which word) that Bill came into her life & gave her so much. Anyway, she said how happy (at least she was) that Bill & Jen got together, eventually married, & had kids.

[Rap541]

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Yes they probably do except that I think they also care how their kids are treated and how they are raised. 

I personally wouldn't be as permissive as Jen and Bill are and I wouldn't have my children on a reality show, but again, I am sure the people at the orphanages these kids came from have no lingering worries about these kids. 

The children aren't being struck, or raped, or starved. The kids haven't been "rehomed" once their problems became obvious. The parents provide love and care, along with a lot of material wealth. The children's abundant medical issues are addressed by experts. I'm sure if the people at the orphanages worry about outcomes - and they might - I am pretty sure the two kids who ended up in America with wealthy if lacking in discipline parents are really far down the list.

A close friend of mine has been fostering to adopt two little sisters. She found out today that the courts have decided the ex felon father and meth addicted mother who used to hit the kids while high are now fit enough to get the kids back. 

Guess who I currently feel sorry for due to the awfulness of their parents? A little hint? Not the two adopted dwarf kids with parents who obviously adore them despite spoiling them. 

[Jeanne222]

Jens mother left the pet store abruptly and then packed her bags and departed Houston. I have no doubt how much her parents love Jen!  Bill not so much!

[AmyFarrahFowler]

16 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Jens mother left the pet store abruptly and then packed her bags and departed Houston. I have no doubt how much her parents love Jen!  Bill not so much!

That was a somewhat suspicious move IMO.

[Foghorn Leghorn]

I think Judy mirrors Jen’s feelings when it comes to Bill.  Bill’s comedic antics about everything would get on my last nerve especially if I were a driven A type personality like Jen who wants to control everything too, a lot of strong personality in a such a small stature!  Judy and Dave moved away for a reason.  Judy said at her garage sale that she moved to Houston to help Jen as much as possible with the kids and she felt her job was done basically.  I LOL at that because the kids were now just getting to the stage where more help was needed.  The move was suspicious.  

Edited November 13, 2017 by Foghorn Leghorn
Corrected info!

[Jeanne222]

3 hours ago, Foghorn Leghorn said:

I think Judy mirrors Jen’s feelings when it comes to Bill.  Bill’s comedic antics about everything would get on my last nerve especially if I were a driven A type personality like Jen who wants to control everything too, a lot of strong personality in a such a small stature!  Judy and Dave moved away for a reason.  Judy said at her garage sale that she moved to Houston to help Jen as much as possible with the kids and she felt her job was done basically.  I LOL at that because the kids were now just getting to the stage where more help was needed.  The move was suspicious.  It is also telling they picked a place on the east coast of Florida rather than the west coast where Jen always gravitated to for holidays, she got married there, her wedding anniversary was there and there is a difference being on the ocean versus the Gulf side.  I have lived on both sides..time will tell! 

Judy was the manager of Bill's pet store.  She was running it for him while he was doing the show and watching the children.   So she wasn't there just to help with the children.    I really like Judy.  I think she knows when to speak and when to not speak.  I think her actions are very telling and I love watching scenes with Judy and Bill.   

Judy raised a very smart, well educated woman with a mountain of disabilities.  Jen is every woman.  Even I am proud of her and I think that is why it bothers me when Bill, Mr. TLC, makes a remark that I think is demeaning to Jen. 

Wasn't the show held up this year due to 'contract negotiations'?  I'm sure that was Mr. Big Shot Bill flexing his muscles. 

[AZChristian]

1 hour ago, Jeanne222 said:

Wasn't the show held up this year due to 'contract negotiations'?  I'm sure that was Mr. Big Shot Bill flexing his muscles. 

I read somewhere that The Little Couple and other show(s) were held up because of disagreements between the production company and the TLC network.  Not aware if there were problems with contract negotiations specifically with the Kleins.  From what we're seeing, they were filming in spite of the issues between the production company and TLC, and those are the episodes we're seeing now.

[Rap541]

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Wasn't the show held up this year due to 'contract negotiations'?  I'm sure that was Mr. Big Shot Bill flexing his muscles. 

The issue was between the production company and TLC. Several other shows were also held up, mostly on ID Discovery. It had nothing to do with contract negotiations between the Kleins and TLC/Discovery. A search of Discovery and LMNO yields many articles explaining the problem... which was not due to "Mr. Big Shot Bill" flexing his muscles.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/lmno-defends-keeping-commissioned-reality-931796

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/discovery-suit-accuses-lmno-betrayal-160842647.html

https://www.cinemablend.com/television/1527100/discovery-is-in-the-middle-of-a-crazy-lawsuit-over-reality-tv-shows-get-the-details

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/stars-tlcs-little-couple-seek-reclaim-rights-collect-profits-share-1005462

 

The only thing the Kleins were involved with was suing the production company LMNO for holding up the show, after all of the stalling. The lengthy gap was not due to the Kleins greedily insisting on renegotiating contracts or withholding filming until they were paid more. It's very easy to find the case information.

[mtnrunner]

On 11/11/2017 at 5:45 AM, Snow8585 said:

The folks at New Day where Will came from and the Indian orphanage where Zoey came from probably cringe IF and when they see how these kids are turning out. Showing little or no respect to parents, eating lots of junk food, running around like wild things in stores, throwing toys on the floor in front of guests, driving around in toy cars, huge sense of entitlements,  etc etc. They probably shake their heads and say Yep, American excess from wealthy parents.

My neighbor volunteered a few months at New Day when Will first got there. I saw her last night with their recently adopted daughter from China and while talking with her I asked her about the above as she watches the show. Her reply was "Are you kidding? No, I wish all orphans at ND and throughout China could go to homes like Bill and Jen's." She went on to say that Will had a list of issues and his chances of being adopted were slim. So while, like all parents, Bill and Jen aren't perfect and they will do whatever necessary to help Will. 

[Libby]

I don't think that Bill and Jen should be given a pass on the fact that they can't get a handle on the kids behavior. That would be like saying that kids who are adopted from foreign countries don't need equally good parenting as other kids. Jen and Bill stink at disciplining their kids. The fact that the kids were adopted from foreign countries doesn't make it ok.

[toodles]

18 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Jens mother left the pet store abruptly and then packed her bags and departed Houston. I have no doubt how much her parents love Jen!  Bill not so much!

No she didn't.  She retired and they sold their house in Houston. There was a rerun on just the other day where Judy and Dave had a garage sale and they talked about why they moved.

 

Judy and Dave said the family was settled and they wanted to move back to Florida and live in a beach house.  It's their dream.

Plus they made the birthday video after Judy retired.  

[Saffron]

I must admit, I have an addiction to reality t.v. It doesn't even have to be good, I guess my bar is set pretty low! Teen Mom, Teen Mum, or the tv gold that is DCC Making the Team, I'm in. But, what's ever better, is coming to these forums and reading really funny, snarky and gossipy comments. Most of the time, reading the forums is actually better than the shows themselves. Except, this one feels...off to me. I made a comment a few episodes back about this, but I'm wondering if I'm watching the same show as many of you. 

First, I want to thank the moms who posted about their experiences with international adoption. It's been so fascinating to me and I really appreciate you sharing your stories. I also agree 100% that Bill and Jen could be better when it comes to discipline. I think Bill even realized this on the last episode. I think raising children (especially for Jen) has been more rewarding and also more challenging than they imagined and really are trying their best even though there have been missteps. 

What I don't understand is this underlying hate and judgement. Comments about how the orphanages would be horrified about how they are growing up sincerely baffles me. Even with their issues, I see a home full of love and security. Those of you who take issue with their wealth would probably have judged my parents too -we had a lot of material things, went on trips, had a beautiful home, cars. But, I also grew up in an abusive environment-both physically and mentally. I literally feared for my life everyday. By the time I was Will's age I had my first full blown panic attack. I would have loved to have had a mom who wanted to do crafts with me and a dad who was silly and wanted to play with me. Yes, they are not perfect, but both Jen and Bill seem very kind hearted and genuine. My heart explodes when I see Zoey blossom into the spunky little soul she is today. I would hate to think of who else could have gotten those kids. 

[Absolom]

Aren't Jen's parents near Pensacola in response to a prior post about them not being on the gulf coast.

I finally watched this episode today and found the picking up toys to not be nearly as disturbing as I'd expected.  Yes, the kids could have been more expeditious, but they seemed fairly right on where I have pegged their developmental levels.  Jen didn't seem quite as chatty as I'd expected as they seemed to have edited the scene down from a longer period of time.  I thought Bill handled the grocery shopping fairly well and that bodes well for them realizing that they needed a bit of a course correction.  The kids do seem to be attending parochial school based on their grace learned at school and I expect they are placed by their achievement level rather than age.  

Edited November 13, 2017 by Absolom

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Yes Jen’s parents are on the Gulf coast in Pensacola.  Jen and Bill are in St. Pete’s on the east coast.  

[Absolom]

St Pete is on the west coast as well.  It's near Tampa.  :)

[Foghorn Leghorn]

8 minutes ago, Absolom said:

St Pete is on the west coast as well.  It's near Tampa.  :)

You are right and I shouldn’t be posting this late!  LOL

[Jeanne222]

5 hours ago, toodles said:

No she didn't.  She retired and they sold their house in Houston. There was a rerun on just the other day where Judy and Dave had a garage sale and they talked about why they moved.

 

Judy and Dave said the family was settled and they wanted to move back to Florida and live in a beach house.  It's their dream.

Plus they made the birthday video after Judy retired.  

She didn't retire she resigned.  They didn't sell a Houston home because they lived in an apartment over Bill and Jen's garage!

[Sasha888]

19 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

She didn't retire she resigned.  They didn't sell a Houston home because they lived in an apartment over Bill and Jen's garage!

I personally don't have a stance on why Judy left the store, and I don't mind if others speculate. It's just a subject that doesn't happen to interest me.

However, I will say this is just not correct. Judy stated that she was "retiring" - those were her words. Whether one considers it "retiring" or "resigning" is up to each person, but Judy called it retiring. 

Also they sold their house in Houston. Dave & Judy lived in Bill & Jen's garage apt when they first moved to Houston, then bought a home, then when they decided to move to FL, their house sold more quickly than they thought it would, so they moved back into the garage apt. The reason given was because their new place in FL was not built yet.

So they did sell a Houston home. 

[viewer]

They bought a home and it was explained on a show when they were getting ready to go to India.  It sold much faster than they thought so they moved back in the apartment.    They were living there Christmas of 2015.

[floridamom]

It is quite a ride from St. Pete to Pensacola...I once drove from Orlando to Pensacola some years ago and it took us 7 hours.