S12.E06: The Sip-N-See Stand Off

[Natalie68]

7 minutes ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

Old and dated news! I'm over it and these FAKE women should be over it by now as well; esp. trash like Tamra who can't even have a decent relationship with her children because they're so dysfunctional! ;-(

I think its admirable you would be able to forgive and forget someone who did this to you.  Most people would not be able to me included.  1)  Its a heinous lie  and 2)  by claiming this and getting the women's sympathy at first she was involving them in this scam.  There are forgivable things and there are things that are unforgivable.  This one is unforgivable in my opinion and apparently many others.   Having been the victim of a scammy scam if someone told me to get over it because well enough time has passed for THEM I would tell them to go fuck themselves.

Tamra can be both a horrible mother and a victim of a liar.

[PhilMarlowe2]

6 hours ago, Cherrio said:

It makes perfect sense.   Its a storyline and their job talking about Vicki and Kelly.

I think its also a good thing because SOME people DO care about others even though it does not affect them personally.  Its called being a decent human being.

My problem in this case, though, is that Tamra ISN'T a decent human being. So, it's just very difficult to feel any sympathy for her as she gets so self-righteous over Vicki "going after family." Tamra has ALWAYS gone below the belt and hit people where it will hurt the most. For her to be this bent out of shape because Vicki mentioned to Kelly that there were gay rumors about Eddie at a time when they were still estranged as friends is just Tamra looking for an excuse to be on a high horse (IMO, of course).

[JD5166]

11 hours ago, QQQQ said:

In the Midwest we invite people over for desserts and gossip. It's called a Fudge-N-Judge.

(Okay, I'm kidding, but it might catch on!)

 I am in the Midwest! I would totally come to this!! 

[Avon.Blakes7]

22 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I think its admirable you would be able to forgive and forget someone who did this to you.  Most people would not be able to me included.  1)  Its a heinous lie  and 2)  by claiming this and getting the women's sympathy at first she was involving them in this scam.  There are forgivable things and there are things that are unforgivable.  This one is unforgivable in my opinion and apparently many others.   Having been the victim of a scammy scam if someone told me to get over it because well enough time has passed for THEM I would tell them to go fuck themselves.

Tamra can be both a horrible mother and a victim of a liar.

Vicki didn't do anything to them! All she asked for them to do is accept the man she was dating! Am I missing something? If anything's hurt it's their so called feelings! There's nothing for me to forgive; it's her life and hating on this woman when all of them have something to be embarrassed about just makes no sense after all this time! They're being paid to interact, but they're too busy judging one another's past actions! It's easy to come up with something and I barely watched this mess before last season! ;-(

Edited August 15, 2017 by Avon.Blakes7

[WireWrap]

29 minutes ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

Old and dated news! I'm over it and these FAKE women should be over it by now as well; esp. trash like Tamra who can't even have a decent relationship with her children because they're so dysfunctional! ;-(

Tamra gets along fine with 3 of her 4 children, so I tend to think both Tamra and Sidney (with help from Simon) are at fault. As for things being "old news", no its not. And it's not because Vicki took back her apologies for her very active/equal part in Brooks(/hers) cancer lie and her cancer charity scam and decided to declare war/punish the others for not allowing her/their lies to stand.

[SCS]

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

 S and T should not have to give up their orange because V is a fraudulent hosebag.  They filmed a scene together and found a way to do that.  Not engage.  

 

Yes, but Bravo may not feel S&T should be dictating (even indirectly) the story line and that's what they're doing. That was part (not all) of what led to Jill Zarin's dismissal -- trying to control who filmed with Bethenny.

 

1 hour ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

Old and dated news! I'm over it and these FAKE women should be over it by now as well; esp. trash like Tamra who can't even have a decent relationship with her children because they're so dysfunctional! ;-(

 

I agree with you altho with fewer exclamation points.

1 hour ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

My problem in this case, though, is that Tamra ISN'T a decent human being. So, it's just very difficult to feel any sympathy for her as she gets so self-righteous over Vicki "going after family." Tamra has ALWAYS gone below the belt and hit people where it will hurt the most. For her to be this bent out of shape because Vicki mentioned to Kelly that there were gay rumors about Eddie at a time when they were still estranged as friends is just Tamra looking for an excuse to be on a high horse (IMO, of course).

Well said.

[Avon.Blakes7]

3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Tamra gets along fine with 3 of her 4 children, so I tend to think both Tamra and Sidney (with help from Simon) are at fault. As for things being "old news", no its not. And it's not because Vicki took back her apologies for her very active/equal part in Brooks(/hers) cancer lie and her cancer charity scam and decided to declare war/punish the others for not allowing her/their lies to stand.

From what little I've seen of this stupid show, I wouldn't be bragging about  that relationship with her kids! I still remember that loser son of hers who got in trouble and instead of doing the community service, he opted to just sit in jail for a few days! Did I not hear about the right thing or am I crazy? That's the sickest thing I've ever heard about so Tamra's no "mother of the century" on this show or IRL! ;-)

Edited August 15, 2017 by Avon.Blakes7

[SCS]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Tamra gets along fine with 3 of her 4 children, so I tend to think both Tamra and Sidney (with help from Simon) are at fault. As for things being "old news", no its not. And it's not because Vicki took back her apologies for her very active/equal part in Brooks(/hers) cancer lie and her cancer charity scam and decided to declare war/punish the others for not allowing her/their lies to stand.

 

Tams gets along with Ryan because she still pays his bills. And the other kids -- give 'em time.

[Avon.Blakes7]

1 minute ago, SCS said:

 

Tams gets along with Ryan because she still pays his bills. And the other kids -- give 'em time.

He's worse than the spoiled brats of Vicki; a true loser! Looks like a homeless person I would avoid on the street! He's useless; "thanks Tamra!" ;-)

[Natalie68]

2 minutes ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

Vicki didn't do anything to them! If anything's hurt it's their so called feelings! There's nothing for me to forgive; it's her life and hating on this woman when all of them have something to be embarrassed about just makes no sense after all this time! They're being paid to interact, but they're too busy judging one another past actions! It's easy to come up with something and I barely watched this mess before last season! ;-(

She involved them.  That is enough.  Perhaps I used the wrong word.  YOU don't have to forgive anything but the cast doesn't have to ignore and accept shitty immoral behavior from a coworker nor do other viewers have to forget.  I wouldn't call lying about cancer, to the point of supplying doctored/downloaded false records, lying about his 'binder', lying about someone's husband rendering aid when he was never called an embarrassment.  I would call that fraud.  Embarrassed = falling into the bushes after getting drunk, peeing on someone's bed after getting drunk, etc.  Fraudulent = perpetrating a cancer scam on a highly rated reality show and trying to make $ of holistic 'cures'.  THAT is why I will never side eye S and T and any other cast member/viewer for saying Vicki is the shit person she is.

[Avon.Blakes7]

Just now, Natalie68 said:

She involved them.  That is enough.  Perhaps I used the wrong word.  YOU don't have to forgive anything but the cast doesn't have to ignore and accept shitty immoral behavior from a coworker nor do other viewers have to forget.  I wouldn't call lying about cancer, to the point of supplying doctored/downloaded false records, lying about his 'binder', lying about someone's husband rendering aid when he was never called an embarrassment.  I would call that fraud.  Embarrassed = falling into the bushes after getting drunk, peeing on someone's bed after getting drunk, etc.  Fraudulent = perpetrating a cancer scam on a highly rated reality show and trying to make $ of holistic 'cures'.  THAT is why I will never side eye S and T and any other cast member/viewer for saying Vicki is the shit person she is.

...and Tamra about KILLED them all with her reckless driving of that RV! I wouldn't forget about that when pain starts hitting Vicki in her old age! They were so concerned about her no one checked on her! "Thanks friends!" ;-)

[Natalie68]

5 minutes ago, SCS said:

 

Yes, but Bravo may not feel S&T should be dictating (even indirectly) the story line and that's what they're doing. That was part (not all) of what led to Jill Zarin's dismissal -- trying to control who filmed with Bethenny.

 

 

I agree with you altho with fewer exclamation points.

Well said.

Actually no they aren't.  They went to the event.  Dictating would be never going to events where V might be present and not inviting her to their events.  They are doing NOTHING like what Zarin did.  They have not asked anyone to not film with V&K that we know of.

[Avon.Blakes7]

Just now, Natalie68 said:

Actually no they aren't.  They went to the event.  Dictating would be never going to events where V might be present and not inviting her to their events.  They are doing NOTHING like what Zarin did.  They have not asked anyone to not film with V&K that we know of.

The inference is there to ignore and not have any interactions regardless if in the same room or not! Andy might have to step in, but I think these b!tches will come around sooner or later as always! ;-(

[Natalie68]

Just now, Avon.Blakes7 said:

...and Tamra about KILLED them all with her reckless driving of that RV! I wouldn't forget about that when pain starts hitting Vicki in her old age! They were so concerned about her no one checked on her! "Thanks friends!" ;-)

That is true!  If that becomes an issue on the show I will give my opinion about it.  V could have sued T for that but then she would lose her orange.  They aren't friends so S and M not visiting is not something that I thought was weird (I was one of the few).  What DID stand out is her OWN CHILDREN didn't stop their lives and go see her.  Or her close friend Kelly.  She wanted to continue drinking in the sand/campground and film rather than see her 'good friend'.

[SCS]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

Actually no they aren't.  They went to the event.  Dictating would be never going to events where V might be present and not inviting her to their events.  They are doing NOTHING like what Zarin did.  They have not asked anyone to not film with V&K that we know of.

 

Actually, yes they are. Housewives choosing who they will and will not interact with while filming changes the dynamic of said filming and that becomes a production issue - -exactly like what JZ attempted.

[Avon.Blakes7]

5 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

She involved them.  That is enough.  Perhaps I used the wrong word.  YOU don't have to forgive anything but the cast doesn't have to ignore and accept shitty immoral behavior from a coworker nor do other viewers have to forget.  I wouldn't call lying about cancer, to the point of supplying doctored/downloaded false records, lying about his 'binder', lying about someone's husband rendering aid when he was never called an embarrassment.  I would call that fraud.  Embarrassed = falling into the bushes after getting drunk, peeing on someone's bed after getting drunk, etc.  Fraudulent = perpetrating a cancer scam on a highly rated reality show and trying to make $ of holistic 'cures'.  THAT is why I will never side eye S and T and any other cast member/viewer for saying Vicki is the shit person she is.

They involved themselves by getting into business that didn't concern them! Vicki didn't ask for $#!t! lol! ;-)

[Natalie68]

Just now, SCS said:

 

Actually, yes they are. Housewives choosing who they will and will not interact with while filming changes the dynamic of said filming and that becomes a production issue - -exactly like what JZ attempted.

But they ARE filming with her.

[Avon.Blakes7]

12 minutes ago, SCS said:

 

Actually, yes they are. Housewives choosing who they will and will not interact with while filming changes the dynamic of said filming and that becomes a production issue - -exactly like what JZ attempted.

Thank you! You don't have to like the person, but you have  a job and being paid handsomely to do it! Thanks again! ;-)

Edited August 15, 2017 by Avon.Blakes7

[Natalie68]

Just now, Avon.Blakes7 said:

They involved themselves by getting into business that didn't concern them! Vicki didn't ask for $#!t! lol! ;-)

 SHE brought up the cancer.  They didn't take a look at Brooks and say wow you look like you have cancer!  Yes,V did ask Shannon for help when Brooks was first 'diagnosed'.

[SCS]

1 hour ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

 Andy might have to step in, but I think these b!tches will come around sooner or later as always! ;-(

 

Tams will if her paycheck is threatened in any way -- she'll have an on-camera moment of piety and announce she's forgiven Vix. 

[Avon.Blakes7]

Just now, Natalie68 said:

 SHE brought up the cancer.  They didn't take a look at Brooks and say wow you look like you have cancer!  Yes,V did ask Shannon for help when Brooks was first 'diagnosed'.

When she thought he was ill! Why is that so hard to accept by so many of you? I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt while these evil shrews want blood and continue to harp on what they think is the worst! Screw them; I'd tell them to get lost and fk off! ;-)

1 minute ago, SCS said:

 

Tams will if her paycheck is threatened in any way -- she'll have an on-camera moment of piety and announce she's forgiven Vix. 

Amen and hallelujah to that; has to continue supporting that loser she calls a son! ;-)

[Mindthinkr]

1 hour ago, bosawks said:

 

Anyway,  I keep envisioning Heather watching these episodes with a glass of champs and cackling with glee over this mess.

I'd love to hear what she's thinking...clink! 

[SCS]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

But they ARE filming with her.

 

And making a performance  of not interacting with her while filming a segment of how they will or won't acknowledge her. So stupid. And they're talking about her. Endlessly.

[Avon.Blakes7]

2 minutes ago, SCS said:

 

And making a performance  of not interacting with her while filming a segment of how they will or won't acknowledge her. So stupid. And they're talking about her. Endlessly.

It never stops! I personally think it's sick of Tamra and Shannon to kvetch so much about Vicki and they supposedly didn't see her for months! They're more disturbed than Brooks who may have faked cancer! He's not part of the show; they are with Vicki! ;-(

[Natalie68]

7 minutes ago, SCS said:

 

And making a performance  of not interacting with her while filming a segment of how they will or won't acknowledge her. So stupid. And they're talking about her. Endlessly.

So see?  There is a storyline!  They are stopping nothing.

[SCS]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

So see?  There is a storyline!  They are stopping nothing.

 

[KungFuBunny]

I finally watched and I got nothing.

I am going to give Peggy one more chance to say something intelligent. I am still trying to keep her in the place of "this woman is zoned out on pain meds"

We need Laurie to come back for an episode, so that she can spill some tea....and we get this

 

[Avon.Blakes7]

2 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I finally watched and I got nothing.

I am going to give Peggy one more chance to say something intelligent. I am still trying to keep her in the place of "this woman is zoned out on pain meds"

We need Laurie to come back for an episode, so that she can spill some tea....and we get this

 

Lauri's a disgusting and irredeemable POS and I don't need to see that tighten face ever again! She proved to have no loyalty when Vicki helped her out! Her marrying money was obviously more important than raising her kids so she's as useless and pathetic as Tamra from what little I've seen and heard of her! ;-(

Edited August 15, 2017 by Avon.Blakes7

[tvfanatic13]

Just because Tamra may or may not be (since we really don't know the truth) a bad money to Sydney does NOT excuse Vicki's lying and manipulation for the past several years. Apples. Oranges. 

[Avon.Blakes7]

4 minutes ago, tvfanatic13 said:

Just because Tamra may or may not be (since we really don't know the truth) a bad money to Sydney does NOT excuse Vicki's lying and manipulation for the past several years. Apples. Oranges. 

It just means she has no room to pass judgement on anyone; her life's a fk'n mess as I see it! It'll only get more dysfunctional when she gets a little older and can't hang on to her "beard" who will find something else to diddle sooner or later; XX or XY chromosome'd! See I'm being evil like Tamra! Sounds like something she might insinuate of someone else! lol! ;-)

Edited August 15, 2017 by Avon.Blakes7

[eleanorofaquitaine]

Vicki, honey, it's time to accept that there are many people who don't like what you did. And also, please consider ending a few more sentences with periods and not exclamation points.

[RHJunkie]

17 minutes ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

When she thought he was ill! Why is that so hard to accept by so many of you? I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt while these evil shrews want blood and continue to harp on what they think is the worst! Screw them; I'd tell them to get lost and fk off! ;-)

What you're failing to acknowledge is that Vicki was implicated in Brooks cancer lie because SHE LIED to protect him from the women questioning the inconsistencies in his stories. It's one thing for Vicki to tell her friends that she believes her boyfriend and she doesn't appreciate constantly being harassed about his medical situation - BUT the woman claimed to have been present at his doctor appointments and admitted that she lied because she wanted sympathy and casseroles from the women. Vicki went around telling people about Brooks calling Terry who had to send people to Vicki's home to take care of Brooks chemotherapy reaction - it wasn't until Heather and Terry flat out denied that the call ever happen did Vicki half heartedly admit that perhaps she wasn't there when it happened (up until then she was telling the story as though she was a witness to it). SHE put herself in a position for people to view her as a liar.

I haven't heard Tamra or Shannon bring up the cancer thing at all this season and they didn't have to - Vicki gave them new material to take exception to. Vicki keeps apologizing to the women because she acts like piece of shit that says vile things and does stupid things and expects that an apology can fix it all. And that's not to say that Vicki is the only person who's acted like a shitty person. Tamra has a long history of nasty behaviour. A baptism doesn't erase all of that. But in the midst of Vicki's controversies, she can only see how others are at fault while patting herself on the back for saying 'sorry'. She should be the one apologizing for what she did and she doesn't get to stipulate how long someone should take before they forgive her. Vicki summed it up well - she wants to punish the women for not being her friend. That's exactly what has still got her in this mess with Tamra and Shannon. She punished them for not being her friend by going around talking shit about their marriages and it blew up in her face at a time when she was coming around in making peace with them. Now she has to start from scratch and has an even bigger mountain to climb thanks to her big mouth. 

I'm a millennial but I totally agreed with Vicki's description of having events for everything where you're expected to bring a gift. It's ridiculous. If you want to host people to celebrate something with you, you shouldn't expect them to compensate you for the invitation you chose to extend.

I think the way Shannon explained her weight gain to Kelly was the most reasonable way she's described it thus far BUT her need to constantly explain how Vicki caused her stress which caused her to gain weight is only going to be met with people viewing her as someone who is making excuses. 

Peggy looked so different with her hair styled like that. Personally, I think that Peggy's hair looks best pulled back like at the car event or when she was drinking beer with her husband in the backyard. 

You don't need to like or respect someone to say hello, goodbye, how are you. If you can't do that, then you care more then you want admit - I'm looking at you Shannon and Tamra. 

[Avon.Blakes7]

1 minute ago, RHJunkie said:

What you're failing to acknowledge is that Vicki was implicated in Brooks cancer lie because SHE LIED to protect him from the women questioning the inconsistencies in his stories. It's one thing for Vicki to tell her friends that she believes her boyfriend and she doesn't appreciate constantly being harassed about his medical situation - BUT the woman claimed to have been present at his doctor appointments and admitted that she lied because she wanted sympathy and casseroles from the women. Vicki went around telling people about Brooks calling Terry who had to send people to Vicki's home to take care of Brooks chemotherapy reaction - it wasn't until Heather and Terry flat out denied that the call ever happen did Vicki half heartedly admit that perhaps she wasn't there when it happened (up until then she was telling the story as though she was a witness to it). SHE put herself in a position for people to view her as a liar.

I haven't heard Tamra or Shannon bring up the cancer thing at all this season and they didn't have to - Vicki gave them new material to take exception to. Vicki keeps apologizing to the women because she acts like piece of shit that says vile things and does stupid things and expects that an apology can fix it all. And that's not to say that Vicki is the only person who's acted like a shitty person. Tamra has a long history of nasty behaviour. A baptism doesn't erase all of that. But in the midst of Vicki's controversies, she can only see how others are at fault while patting herself on the back for saying 'sorry'. She should be the one apologizing for what she did and she doesn't get to stipulate how long someone should take before they forgive her. Vicki summed it up well - she wants to punish the women for not being her friend. That's exactly what has still got her in this mess with Tamra and Shannon. She punished them for not being her friend by going around talking shit about their marriages and it blew up in her face at a time when she was coming around in making peace with them. Now she has to start from scratch and has an even bigger mountain to climb thanks to her big mouth. 

I'm a millennial but I totally agreed with Vicki's description of having events for everything where you're expected to bring a gift. It's ridiculous. If you want to host people to celebrate something with you, you shouldn't expect them to compensate you for the invitation you chose to extend.

I think the way Shannon explained her weight gain to Kelly was the most reasonable way she's described it thus far BUT her need to constantly explain how Vicki caused her stress which caused her to gain weight is only going to be met with people viewing her as someone who is making excuses. 

Peggy looked so different with her hair styled like that. Personally, I think that Peggy's hair looks best pulled back like at the car event or when she was drinking beer with her husband in the backyard. 

You don't need to like or respect someone to say hello, goodbye, how are you. If you can't do that, then you care more then you want admit - I'm looking at you Shannon and Tamra. 

You're not listening! Shannon brings up the "cancer" thing every time she explains to people why she doesn't engage with Vicki! Please! Thanks for the rest! I won't quibble over any of it on 1st glance even though a manuscript/outline for a book! lol! ;-)

[snarts]

1 hour ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

My problem in this case, though, is that Tamra ISN'T a decent human being. So, it's just very difficult to feel any sympathy for her as she gets so self-righteous over Vicki "going after family." Tamra has ALWAYS gone below the belt and hit people where it will hurt the most. For her to be this bent out of shape because Vicki mentioned to Kelly that there were gay rumors about Eddie at a time when they were still estranged as friends is just Tamra looking for an excuse to be on a high horse (IMO, of course).

This exactly.  Tamra has dug up & aired dirt on so many of her cast members:  Jeanna, Gretchen, Alexis, etc.  Her purported outrage over Vicki repeating the Eddie rumor is ridiculous.  

That said, I think she's already beginning to regret choosing Shannon as her ally.  A couple of her interview comments about Shannon have been far from flattering.  I hope that Shannon has watched prior seasons to understand what snake Tamra is and how quickly she'll turn on her.

[Mu Shu]

Suck it up Bravo.  Pay the Dubrow her quote.  All you have is Vicki farting in a children's clothing store, K-Dudds crusty ass junk,  and Shannon eating.   

Even stunt babies don't move me. 

[yourmomiseasy]

29 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

What you're failing to acknowledge is that Vicki was implicated in Brooks cancer lie because SHE LIED to protect him from the women questioning the inconsistencies in his stories. It's one thing for Vicki to tell her friends that she believes her boyfriend and she doesn't appreciate constantly being harassed about his medical situation - BUT the woman claimed to have been present at his doctor appointments and admitted that she lied because she wanted sympathy and casseroles from the women. Vicki went around telling people about Brooks calling Terry who had to send people to Vicki's home to take care of Brooks chemotherapy reaction - it wasn't until Heather and Terry flat out denied that the call ever happen did Vicki half heartedly admit that perhaps she wasn't there when it happened (up until then she was telling the story as though she was a witness to it). SHE put herself in a position for people to view her as a liar.

I think if it was just the lying people would be more likely to just move on.  But there was the juice cleanse BS and then when caught she doubled down with the scam "charity".  Once it crossed the line into trying to make a coin off the suffering of caner patients, it went to a whole different level of horrible.

ETA: I guess there's also the part where she now demanding an apology from them for calling out her atrocious behavior.  She's not remorseful and she hasn't learned a thing.   

Edited August 15, 2017 by yourmomiseasy

[Kiki777]

I still find it so odd that Lydia and Peggy are on Vicki's side  (I don't buy them not knowing about the cancer scam).  It feels scripted to me.  Like Bravo will bring them on board along with Vile Kelly on the condition that they hang out with Vicki.

btw that 'hello' scene reminded me why I can't quit Shannon.  Girl is *hilarious* when she wants to be.  She was channelling the fabulous Bea Arthur with that deep throaty helllooooo.

 

PS - more Archie please! Loved him slowly walking alongside the ladies as they hobbled down the hall in their stilettos.

[Avon.Blakes7]

4 minutes ago, Kiki777 said:

I still find it so odd that Lydia and Peggy are on Vicki's side  (I don't buy them not knowing about the cancer scam).  It feels scripted to me.  Like Bravo will bring them on board along with Vile Kelly on the condition that they hang out with Vicki.

btw that 'hello' scene reminded me why I can't quit Shannon.  Girl is *hilarious* when she wants to be.  She was channelling the fabulous Bea Arthur with that deep throaty helllooooo.

 

PS - more Archie please! Loved him slowly walking alongside the ladies as they hobbled down the hall in their stilettos.

It's called making their own assessment of a situation instead of putting any credence in video tape editing and the vile accusations leveled by those 2 shrews, Shannon and Tamra! I can respect that instead of some idiot who believes whatever is told to them and can't make up their minds for themselves! ;-)

[BodhiGurl]

3 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Am I the only one who thinks Vicki is posting here? ; ) 

Ha ha ha... you are not alone in this observation ?????

[ShawnaLanne]

2 hours ago, Carolina Girl said:

Vicki will explain that it was Shannon and Tamra who "concocted" the idea that she was engaged in a cancer scam.   I'd love for Heather to show up at an event as she's telling Peggy and/or Lydia how Dr. Terry was called in the middle of the night,  rushed to Brook's side and helped her set up an IV and a CraftMatic adjustable bed in the living room to keep him alive.  (You know that story just had to get more dramatic with every telling)

Please.  Peggy knows about the cancer scam,  unless she is as dumb as she acts, no woman comes on these shows without doing their research.  

But,  since I'm not watching this,  except if I catch it while waiting for something else to come on,  I'll read this for any "reaction. "

[ButterQueen]

1 hour ago, SCS said:

 

Actually, yes they are. Housewives choosing who they will and will not interact with while filming changes the dynamic of said filming and that becomes a production issue - -exactly like what JZ attempted.

I agree.  I'm tired of hearing why Shannon can't be around Vicki.  It fractures the show and makes it very boring.

[Avon.Blakes7]

1 minute ago, ButterQueen said:

I agree.  I'm tired of hearing why Shannon can't be around Vicki.  It fractures the show and makes it very boring.

Amen & Hallelujah to that! Thanks! ;-)

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, Cherrio said:

I am sure she feels hurt, the problem is, is that sociopaths feel nothing for anyone else but themselves.  

First off, Vicki dragged a lot of innocent people into her scam and Meghan did nothing wrong as far as I am concerned.  People wanted to HELP HER and meanwhile she is involving them.  Shannon went out of her way to help someone she barely knew and GOT WHAT SHE DESERVED.    Nice.    Vicki made up a story that could of damaged Dr. Dubrow's reputation.  I don't care if someone is a doctor or a pizza delivery person, you DO NOT FUCK with someone's livelihood.  We all know the never ending list of what Vicki the lying, scamming, racist, homophobic bigot has said and done.

Meghan did not break any laws.   She just found the proof that it was all lies.  Good for her.

      Vicki's kids may be spoiled but who raised them?    I am surprised they function at all.    Backstabbers?   Um, who did not believe their own daughter? Who made horrible accusations about their own daughter?

         I am guessing now Vicki has resorted to more emotional blackmail, probably threatening suicide to keep her adult children close to her.    I honestly cannot think of any other reason either of them would want to have anything to do with her.

This sicko woman crashes her son's party and when he doesn't act the way she wants him to, what does she do? She has a crying hissy fit and hides in a closet.

Now she says she is going to punish Shannon and Tamra.    I would be at the courthouse getting an Order of Protection from that vile piece of shit.

I think the thing people also forget is that Vicki demanded that Shannon and to a lesser extent Tamra support and defend her and Brooks to the other women. When Shannon reasonably told Vicki and Brooks to share some of his medical records, Vicki flipped out and called Shannon a bad and disloyal friend.

A similar thing was happening on Shahs of Sunset. Reza was claiming that GG didn't have rheumatoid arthritis. GG shared her medical records with the group. She also brought each member of the group to her doctor visits. Reza then had to pivot and claim that he was concerned that GG's partying isn't good for her condition. Though the group thought GG was an awful mess, but they could shut Reza's behavior down with the truth.

Shannon pulled some strings for Brooks. There are many reasons why you wouldn't take her up on her offer if you actually had cancer. The first of which would be that you've established a rapport with your doctors and they know you well enough to understand your needs. Shannon's specialists might be the best in the world, but if a patient is comfortable with his doctors that ends it all. When we were watching Shannon with her naturalist trainer doctor, many people thought she should see a different doctor. She didn't because she's comfortable with the guy she has. It's just that simple.

However Brooks didn't have cancer and it's clear at some point Vicki found out and agreed to use it as a storyline and for monetary gain.

Regardless, Tamra and Heather had largely moved beyond Brooks and Vicki faking his cancer when season 11 began filming. However because they didn't immediately forgive her, Vicki thought the appropriate response was to share gossip and rumors with Kelly, a veritable stranger. Then she barely attempted an apology at the reunion--"I'm glad Shannon's safe" and "Well, there were rumors about Eddie being gay." She's odious. I hope they never forgive her. 

[CrinkleCutCat]

There are lies, and then there are LIES. To me, what you are lying about is what I will focus on. For example, lying about why you are late is not the same as lying about anything to do with cancer. Cancer is such a horrible disease that has touched so many of us directly, or people we love and know.... it is just something that is OFF LIMITS to lie about IMO. Even if those lies do not directly impact on me.... I'm going to be disgusted and upset. So, I can completely understand why Shannon et al are STILL upset with Vicki. I'm just a viewer of this show and I'M still upset with Vicki! As for Vicki nearly being 'killed' by Tamara when the buggy rolled.... its called an 'accident'. There was no deliberate intention to roll the vehicle.

I have had experience with someone who lied to me and my family about cancer. This person pretended they had terminal cancer. I'm not going into details here but it was one of the most horrible experiences I have ever been through. I'm not forgiving any time soon and luckily I don't have to film with her on a reality tv show.

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, SCS said:

 

Yes, but Bravo may not feel S&T should be dictating (even indirectly) the story line and that's what they're doing. That was part (not all) of what led to Jill Zarin's dismissal -- trying to control who filmed with Bethenny.

 

 

I agree with you altho with fewer exclamation points.

Well said.

Actually, Jill was fired for making up a fake storyline, her "fight" with Bethenny. She told Andy her idea and he advised her NOT to do it, she did it anyway and was fired for doing it. Apples to Oranges. LOL

2 hours ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

From what little I've seen of this stupid show, I wouldn't be bragging about  that relationship with her kids! I still remember that loser son of hers who got in trouble and instead of doing the community service, he opted to just sit in jail for a few days! Did I not hear about the right thing or am I crazy? That's the sickest thing I've ever heard about so Tamra's no "mother of the century" on this show or IRL! ;-)

Ryan is messed up but Tamra isn't the only one to blame for that, so is his father and Tamra's mother. 

2 hours ago, SCS said:

 

Tams gets along with Ryan because she still pays his bills. And the other kids -- give 'em time.

Ryan has a job and I don't think Tamra supports him any more, Eddie put a stop to that. Her other 2 younger kids have no issues with her at all. 

1 hour ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

...and Tamra about KILLED them all with her reckless driving of that RV! I wouldn't forget about that when pain starts hitting Vicki in her old age! They were so concerned about her no one checked on her! "Thanks friends!" ;-)

Tamra got cocky driving that dune buggy and she admitted to it. Before her show "friends" need to check on her, Vicki's own kids should have done that and Vicki was not at the hospital all alone, production was with her.

53 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

What you're failing to acknowledge is that Vicki was implicated in Brooks cancer lie because SHE LIED to protect him from the women questioning the inconsistencies in his stories. It's one thing for Vicki to tell her friends that she believes her boyfriend and she doesn't appreciate constantly being harassed about his medical situation - BUT the woman claimed to have been present at his doctor appointments and admitted that she lied because she wanted sympathy and casseroles from the women. Vicki went around telling people about Brooks calling Terry who had to send people to Vicki's home to take care of Brooks chemotherapy reaction - it wasn't until Heather and Terry flat out denied that the call ever happen did Vicki half heartedly admit that perhaps she wasn't there when it happened (up until then she was telling the story as though she was a witness to it). SHE put herself in a position for people to view her as a liar.

I haven't heard Tamra or Shannon bring up the cancer thing at all this season and they didn't have to - Vicki gave them new material to take exception to. Vicki keeps apologizing to the women because she acts like piece of shit that says vile things and does stupid things and expects that an apology can fix it all. And that's not to say that Vicki is the only person who's acted like a shitty person. Tamra has a long history of nasty behaviour. A baptism doesn't erase all of that. But in the midst of Vicki's controversies, she can only see how others are at fault while patting herself on the back for saying 'sorry'. She should be the one apologizing for what she did and she doesn't get to stipulate how long someone should take before they forgive her. Vicki summed it up well - she wants to punish the women for not being her friend. That's exactly what has still got her in this mess with Tamra and Shannon. She punished them for not being her friend by going around talking shit about their marriages and it blew up in her face at a time when she was coming around in making peace with them. Now she has to start from scratch and has an even bigger mountain to climb thanks to her big mouth. 

I'm a millennial but I totally agreed with Vicki's description of having events for everything where you're expected to bring a gift. It's ridiculous. If you want to host people to celebrate something with you, you shouldn't expect them to compensate you for the invitation you chose to extend.

I think the way Shannon explained her weight gain to Kelly was the most reasonable way she's described it thus far BUT her need to constantly explain how Vicki caused her stress which caused her to gain weight is only going to be met with people viewing her as someone who is making excuses. 

Peggy looked so different with her hair styled like that. Personally, I think that Peggy's hair looks best pulled back like at the car event or when she was drinking beer with her husband in the backyard. 

You don't need to like or respect someone to say hello, goodbye, how are you. If you can't do that, then you care more then you want admit - I'm looking at you Shannon and Tamra. 

Well said.

50 minutes ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

You're not listening! Shannon brings up the "cancer" thing every time she explains to people why she doesn't engage with Vicki! Please! Thanks for the rest! I won't quibble over any of it on 1st glance even though a manuscript/outline for a book! lol! ;-)

Shannon does not bring up the cancer scams, she brings up the abuse "lie", the claim that Vicki made that she, Vicki, has "proof" that David "beats/hits Shannon". Just for the record, Vicki did lie when she claimed David hit Shannon, Vicki's own friend that was present with Vicki when that happened spilled the details and Vicki lied. You can find the proof/links back in last seasons episode threads if you want.

[Mu Shu]

18 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

Ha ha ha... you are not alone in this observation ?????

[Mu Shu]

3 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

31 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

Ha ha ha... you are not alone in this observation ?????

I forgot what I was going to say.  I'm sure it was stupid though. 

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24 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

I think the thing people also forget is that Vicki demanded that Shannon and to a lesser extent Tamra support and defend her and Brooks to the other women. When Shannon reasonably told Vicki and Brooks to share some of his medical records, Vicki flipped out and called Shannon a bad and disloyal friend.

A similar thing was happening on Shahs of Sunset. Reza was claiming that GG didn't have rheumatoid arthritis. GG shared her medical records with the group. She also brought each member of the group to her doctor visits. Reza then had to pivot and claim that he was concerned that GG's partying isn't good for her condition. Though the group thought GG was an awful mess, but they could shut Reza's behavior down with the truth.

Shannon pulled some strings for Brooks. There are many reasons why you wouldn't take her up on her offer if you actually had cancer. The first of which would be that you've established a rapport with your doctors and they know you well enough to understand your needs. Shannon's specialists might be the best in the world, but if a patient is comfortable with his doctors that ends it all. When we were watching Shannon with her naturalist trainer doctor, many people thought she should see a different doctor. She didn't because she's comfortable with the guy she has. It's just that simple.

However Brooks didn't have cancer and it's clear at some point Vicki found out and agreed to use it as a storyline and for monetary gain.

Regardless, Tamra and Heather had largely moved beyond Brooks and Vicki faking his cancer when season 11 began filming. However because they didn't immediately forgive her, Vicki thought the appropriate response was to share gossip and rumors with Kelly, a veritable stranger. Then she barely attempted an apology at the reunion--"I'm glad Shannon's safe" and "Well, there were rumors about Eddie being gay." She's odious. I hope they never forgive her. 

To be fair, Brooks had the totally legit reason of 4 fake flat tires for missing his appointment.  

[SCS]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Actually, Jill was fired for making up a fake storyline, her "fight" with Bethenny. She told Andy her idea and he advised her NOT to do it, she did it anyway and was fired for doing it. Apples to Oranges. LOL

 

Ok so you say Jill was fired for making up a fake story line. I said in the post you quoted:

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dictating (even indirectly) the story line

I think dictating the story line by choosing who and what is filmed creates a false narrative because, lets face it, these shows thrive on the wives' interactions. Yes, they each get their own vignettes but the group stuff is the glue, IMO, played in glorious technicolor and tacky HD.  

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Ryan has a job and I don't think Tamra supports him any more, Eddie put a stop to that.

 

You are kind and good for thinking this. I think she's still slipping the shifty little sloth cash. Young Eddie may not know or may know and not care.

 

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Her other 2 younger kids have no issues with her at all. 

Wait a while....

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7 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Actually, Jill was fired for making up a fake storyline, her "fight" with Bethenny. She told Andy her idea and he advised her NOT to do it, she did it anyway and was fired for doing it. Apples to Oranges. LOL

Ryan is messed up but Tamra isn't the only one to blame for that, so is his father and Tamra's mother. 

Ryan has a job and I don't think Tamra supports him any more, Eddie put a stop to that. Her other 2 younger kids have no issues with her at all. 

Tamra got cocky driving that dune buggy and she admitted to it. Before her show "friends" need to check on her, Vicki's own kids should have done that and Vicki was not at the hospital all alone, production was with her.

Well said.

Shannon does not bring up the cancer scams, she brings up the abuse "lie", the claim that Vicki made that she, Vicki, has "proof" that David "beats/hits Shannon". Just for the record, Vicki did lie when she claimed David hit Shannon, Vicki's own friend that was present with Vicki when that happened spilled the details and Vicki lied. You can find the proof/links back in last seasons episode threads if you want.

I loved that Jill got fired for that made up drama! Her last shots with Bethenny meeting in the restaurant, along with the interview on WWHL that we heard Jill taped and tried to sell are worth watching again and again as she tries to explain her wretched behavior!

I don't care who's responsible, Ryan's still a mess and Tamra can forget any future awards for mother of the year; that's all I'm saying!

No comment on the kids except Ryan needed some tough love a lot sooner! 

Tamra's very fortunate people weren't seriously hurt and that she wasn't sued; esp. living in California where they could have cleaned up by taking her and Bravo to court! I'm not litigious, but I know people's hearts! I worked as a law clerk and found that most lawsuits are between family members and so called friends! 

Shannon invokes the cancer thing every chance she gets to emphasize why she hates Vicki's guts! If you can't remember it, go to ON Demand online or TIVO! It's been her go to line each time she meets someone along with why she's a big, fat cow! It's all Vicki's fault just with the inference! ;-)