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Kim becomes torn over maintaining a relationship with Cait; she confirms that her mom's reason for cutting ties is valid; Kendall introduces her sisters to the first openly gay royal; Rob implements his own time of the month.

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Rob implements his own time of the month

The one day he showers, combs his hair, dons something other than a trashy black tshirt and matching sweatshorts and leaves his sisters' rental home to do something other than party with his dumb friends who will never appear on the show.

Rob playing with Dream on the countertop is like me playing with the guinea pig from my kid's class that we bring home occasionally for a weekend.  Boo.  Rob sucks.

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On 6/1/2017 at 5:39 PM, TheVoicesToldMeTo said:

The one day he showers, combs his hair, dons something other than a trashy black tshirt and matching sweatshorts and leaves his sisters' rental home to do something other than party with his dumb friends who will never appear on the show.

Rob playing with Dream on the countertop is like me playing with the guinea pig from my kid's class that we bring home occasionally for a weekend.  Boo.  Rob sucks.

Dream didn't accomplish what Rob thought she would. She was supposed to get him and Chyna their own show (several seasons of it) and his own empire. I do suspect that Chyna has received a nice little financial deal from Kris.or we would be hearing what a deadbeat he is.

Robs interest in Dream will last as long as his attempts at getting his life together and getting back in shape have.

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8 hours ago, iwasish said:

Dream didn't accomplish what Rob thought she would. She was supposed to get him and Chyna their own show (several seasons of it) and his own empire. I do suspect that Chyna has received a nice little financial deal from Kris.or we would be hearing what a deadbeat he is.

Robs interest in Dream will last as long as his attempts at getting his life together and getting back in shape have.

I wish fatherhood would change Rob for the better, but I have a feeling you're right.

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How did they have no money? Didn't Saint Robert pay child support? He was pretty wealthy. She should have gotten a nice check every month for the 4  K kids.

Kendalls talking head at the end... her make up?  She's gone Kardashian.

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2 hours ago, iwasish said:

How did they have no money? Didn't Saint Robert pay child support? He was pretty wealthy. She should have gotten a nice check every month for the 4  K kids.

Kendalls talking head at the end... her make up?  She's gone Kardashian.

Probably, but if they were living in Hollywood,  the house would have been very expensive, and I would think Caitlyn would be paying child support for the Jenner kids.  And it sounds like they were just starting the public speaking business.   They probably had money but not enough for where they were trying to live. 

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I remember from the E! True Hollywood special on the family that Cait said to Robert Kardashion that Kris didn't want anything from him via child support. My guess is she wanted to keep her affair out of the public as much as she could? (Until her memoir of course). 

Either way, Caits book sounds pretty rude and I dislike defending the Kardashions. I think it's a legit thing going on and not something for publicity. I haven't read the book but I've seen things online where Cait trashed Ellen for not being a strong enough supporter for Cait in the LGBTQ community or something. So I assumed that there's probably stuff about the Kardashions. Also the reason the older kids had feelings about the transition was the fact that Cait kind of sprung it on them. In the special it was like one second  she was talking about it happening in the future and then it was like "it's happening in a couple months". 

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This episode was bizarre.  On one hand you had all book drama and Cailtyn. Then on the other you had this gay Indian Prince plot about the LGBT community.  Which they used to compare who the great the Prince was compared to Caitlyn. 

Lets see if Caitlyn even appears on anything else after this, this felt like her KUWTK swan song.

Kendall was the one who tried with Cait the most next to Kim. Cait pushing them both away leaves her with none of them. 

14 minutes ago, WhosThatGirl said:

Also the reason the older kids had feelings about the transition was the fact that Cait kind of sprung it on them. In the special it was like one second  she was talking about it happening in the future and then it was like "it's happening in a couple months". 

And the E! show was in the works before Cait cared to tell them what was going on. 

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Today on the “We Hate Cait” show….

They wore fur coats to go to the ice cream shop.

Khloe & Rob in bed together talking about her period & Rob having sex with the winner of a Kim lookalike contest was seriously skeevy. And then she had to ask him why he didn’t have sex with a Khloe lookalike winner. Seriously, seriously skeevy.

So, they all hate Cait now, but to make sure that everybody knows they still support LGBTQ people, they find a gay Prince from India & bring him on the show. Not random at all.

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1 hour ago, Artsda said:

This episode was bizarre.  On one hand you had all book drama and Cailtyn. Then on the other you had this gay Indian Prince plot about the LGBT community.  Which they used to compare who the great the Prince was compared to Caitlyn. 

Lets see if Caitlyn even appears on anything else after this, this felt like her KUWTK swan song.

Kendall was the one who tried with Cait the most next to Kim. Cait pushing them both away leaves her with none of them. 

And the E! show was in the works before Cait cared to tell them what was going on. 

They practically own E! No way it was known about in advance, especially by Kris. None of them are telling the 100% truth. 

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I'm certain that Kris and her attorneys went over an earlier draft of Catilyn's book and made sure no real secrets or shade toward her children would see final print, in return for Kris pimping the book during season 13.  The misstep here is that Kris probably should have allowed one juicy secret to be left in, because all of this self-martyrdom on her part and her childrens' righteous indignation is really overblown.  I've read the book and re-read the Kardashian parts and just can't find anything bad.  The real conflict here between Caitlyn and Kris, is that Caitlyn knows that any relevance she has in the entertainment world hinges on her association with this family.  It's the one bridge in her life she can't burn.  If Kris was really that p!ssed at Caitlyn, she would not have given her so  much air time.  When the K Klan is done with you, they make you disappear (Hump, Lamar, Tyga, Chyna to some extent...)

What I really can't figure out is why these people continue to give Rob a platform for his sexism and misogyny.  He literally watched his "girlfriend" go through 9  months of pregnancy and get fileted like a fish delivering his child and he doesn't think menstrual cramps are a big deal.  Hey Rob, why can't you lose weight?  It's sooooo easy.  Just put down the burger!   I've never been addicted to food or gained 100 lbs so whatever you're going through can't be real.  /sarcasm

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5 minutes ago, TheVoicesToldMeTo said:

I'm certain that Kris and her attorneys went over an earlier draft of Catilyn's book and made sure no real secrets or shade toward her children would see final print, in return for Kris pimping the book during season 13.  The misstep here is that Kris probably should have allowed one juicy secret to be left in, because all of this self-martyrdom on her part and her childrens' righteous indignation is really overblown.  I've read the book and re-read the Kardashian parts and just can't find anything bad.  The real conflict here between Caitlyn and Kris, is that Caitlyn knows that any relevance she has in the entertainment world hinges on her association with this family.  It's the one bridge in her life she can't burn.  If Kris was really that p!ssed at Caitlyn, she would not have given her so  much air time.  When the K Klan is done with you, they make you disappear (Hump, Lamar, Tyga, Chyna to some extent...)

What I really can't figure out is why these people continue to give Rob a platform for his sexism and misogyny.  He literally watched his "girlfriend" go through 9  months of pregnancy and get fileted like a fish delivering his child and he doesn't think menstrual cramps are a big deal.  Hey Rob, why can't you lose weight?  It's sooooo easy.  Just put down the burger!   I've never been addicted to food or gained 100 lbs so whatever you're going through can't be real.  /sarcasm

I have a hard time believing Khloe has cramps that bad. Kris ran out and got Kendall the pill way back when due to her "cramps" and I'm sure with all the traveling, photo shoots and fucking Khloe does, she's on some kind of long term BC that doesn't involve taking a daily pill. Loved Kourtney's comment that " I don't have any of those" (migraines, cramps etc)

Rob missed big chunks of Chyna's pregnancy because they were fighting through out and I doubt he watched much of her C section.

And I just wish Kim would keep her surgically  altered nose to herself with regard to the Caitlyn/Kris feud.  I guess she has nothing else to do while her hubby recuperates. I wonder how long it took her to read that book cover to cover?

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4 minutes ago, iwasish said:

I wonder how long it took her to read that book cover to cover?

She has Steph Shep read it for her and read aloud only the parts where she was mentioned, during bedtime storytime.

5 minutes ago, iwasish said:

Rob missed big chunks of Chyna's pregnancy because they were fighting through out and I doubt he watched much of her C section.

Then, why did I have to see it?

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21 minutes ago, TheVoicesToldMeTo said:

I'm certain that Kris and her attorneys went over an earlier draft of Catilyn's book and made sure no real secrets or shade toward her children would see final print, in return for Kris pimping the book during season 13.  The misstep here is that Kris probably should have allowed one juicy secret to be left in, because all of this self-martyrdom on her part and her childrens' righteous indignation is really overblown.  I've read the book and re-read the Kardashian parts and just can't find anything bad.  The real conflict here between Caitlyn and Kris, is that Caitlyn knows that any relevance she has in the entertainment world hinges on her association with this family.  It's the one bridge in her life she can't burn.  If Kris was really that p!ssed at Caitlyn, she would not have given her so  much air time.  When the K Klan is done with you, they make you disappear (Hump, Lamar, Tyga, Chyna to some extent...)

 

Abso-freakin-lutely!

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24 minutes ago, Veronique Bette said:

Abso-freakin-lutely!

I think she's giving her the air time to cover her own ass. If she just cut off mention of her on the show, it could look like Caitlyn has a point. This way the family makes themselves look good and look justified in cutting her out if their lives.

Kendall mentioned that she met that Prince and was so impressed by him that she wanted everyone to meet him. But when he showed up, she acted as if he were a stranger and shook his hand " nice to meet you". Did he remind anyone else of Peter Sellars?  And his situation.. being gay, an arranged marriage, coming out...... if it was supposed to make Caitlyn look bad... really had no comparison to the family's situation.

 

I do hate that every time they discuss their differences with Caitlyn,  how Caitlyn is dissing the family and their mom, they always end with "BUT we'll always love her.... cause she's Kendall and Kylie's dad and we want to be respectful"  

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1 minute ago, iwasish said:

I think she's giving her the air time to cover her own ass. If she just cut off mention of her on the show, it could look like Caitlyn has a point. This way the family makes themselves look good and look justified in cutting her out if their lives.

iwasish, you are very wise.  Every other branch they've sawed off of the family tree came with a several episode story arc (if not longer) of how they've wronged the K's.  Most recently, the episode where they discussed shelving Rob&Chyna Season 2 just had to start with Kylie receiving the call that Chyna broke her TV.  What they're doing with Caitlyn right now is that nice escort you get out of the office building by HR the morning you discover you were laid off.

7 minutes ago, iwasish said:

Kendall mentioned that she met that Prince and was so impressed by him that she wanted everyone to meet him. But when he showed up, she acted as if he were a stranger and shook his hand " nice to meet you".

Continuity has never been a strong point of this show.  When Rob and Chyna went to Chyna's OBGYN to find out the gender of Dream, they shook her hand and introduced themselves.

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57 minutes ago, TheVoicesToldMeTo said:

What they're doing with Caitlyn right now is that nice escort you get out of the office building by HR the morning you discover you were laid off.

Here we call it the "walk of shame" across the parking piazza carrying all your worldly possessions in a WB MASON box, while a 80 yr old security guard trails behind you. Happens often after an election goes against the incumbent party.

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1 hour ago, TheVoicesToldMeTo said:

iwasish, you are very wise.  Every other branch they've sawed off of the family tree came with a several episode story arc (if not longer) of how they've wronged the K's.  Most recently, the episode where they discussed shelving Rob&Chyna Season 2 just had to start with Kylie receiving the call that Chyna broke her TV.  What they're doing with Caitlyn right now is that nice escort you get out of the office building by HR the morning you discover you were laid off.

I’m pretty sure that in most cases, people get "nicely" escorted out of the building by security when they are fired from their job, not laid off.  Fortunately, I’ve never had either experience but I can imagine that it would be supremely humiliating in that the assumption is that you might become unhinged and go postal or steal something.

IMO, if the Kardashians are distancing themselves from Caitlyn, it’s not because of how hurt or infuriated they are by anything she wrote about them in her book, but rather because their surgically enhanced noses have picked up the scent of how unpopular Caitlyn has become and they no longer want their “brand” associated with her. Yet in the meantime, they are happy to exploit any media interest there might be in their feud with her and ditto for Caitlyn. Anyway, I will continue to believe that when the cameras are rolling and/or when their lips are moving, every single one of this family is lying.

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11 minutes ago, Veronique Bette said:

I’m pretty sure that in most cases, people get "nicely" escorted out of the building by security when they are fired from their job, not laid off.  Fortunately, I’ve never had either experience but I can imagine that it would be supremely humiliating in that the assumption is that you might become unhinged and go postal or steal something.

If you're fired, you screwed something up and were warned previously.  Layoffs - that comes with company downsizing. Companies who do this don't advance advertise they are about to layoff, increases paranoia.  When it happens, it happens suddenly, and you're out - even after years of service.  Severance pay is a perk, either way, sh!ts still stings.

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3 hours ago, TheVoicesToldMeTo said:

If you're fired, you screwed something up and were warned previously.  Layoffs - that comes with company downsizing. Companies who do this don't advance advertise they are about to layoff, increases paranoia.  When it happens, it happens suddenly, and you're out - even after years of service.  Severance pay is a perk, either way, sh!ts still stings.

Not true.  You can be fired without previous warning.  Corporate America usually announce layoff plans in advance.

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13 minutes ago, twilightzone said:

Not true.  You can be fired without previous warning.  Corporate America usually announce layoff plans in advance.

I work in a government environment. Come the January 1st after an election... it's a revolving door around here. Funny too how those who came in and used their connections to take someone else's job 4 years ago, are suddenly outraged at the unfairness of it all!!.

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This was going to be a rhetorical question, but I think I need an actual answer.  I don't know why, I just do.  I apologize.

While I realize these people live in a nonsensical world of their own creation, they HAVE to know - just on the basis that they are mostly human beings (minus fillers and plastic) - that a grown brother and sister mingling and holding hands in bed, under the covers, is strange.  Stranger yet was the conversation between Rob and Khloe on how he had sex with a woman who won a Kim Kardashian look-alike contest...and Khloe wanted to know if he would do the same with a Khloe look-alike.  There are so many wrong parts to that scene, it overwhelms my mind.  If they are putting on some sort of act, do they honestly believe that their viewers want to listen to Rob and Khloe talk about sex and periods while cuddling in bed?  I'd say they are doing it for shock value but I don't think they are actually that smart.  Not to mention, who would want bloated, sweaty, sandals-wearing, no hair-washing Rob to get in bed with them in the first place, let alone his sister?  I mean, ??????  

Other observations:

Who puts a gigantic bowl of watermelons on the kitchen table?  Why did Kendall take one?  When Kris smiles, does anyone else see the Joker?  How do these people not literally fall on the floor laughing when Caitlyn does her "How's my little KIMMMMMMY??!" shtick on the phone?  If Kris looks like the Joker, Caitlyn sounds like him.  And is denim what one wears when meeting with an Indian prince?  Why did the prince's salad appear and disappear and reappear multiple times over the course of their conversation (never mind, I know the answer to that).

I'm exhausted.

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20 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

This was going to be a rhetorical question, but I think I need an actual answer.  I don't know why, I just do.  I apologize.

While I realize these people live in a nonsensical world of their own creation, they HAVE to know - just on the basis that they are mostly human beings (minus fillers and plastic) - that a grown brother and sister mingling and holding hands in bed, under the covers, is strange.  Stranger yet was the conversation between Rob and Khloe on how he had sex with a woman who won a Kim Kardashian look-alike contest...and Khloe wanted to know if he would do the same with a Khloe look-alike.  There are so many wrong parts to that scene, it overwhelms my mind.  If they are putting on some sort of act, do they honestly believe that their viewers want to listen to Rob and Khloe talk about sex and periods while cuddling in bed?  I'd say they are doing it for shock value but I don't think they are actually that smart.  Not to mention, who would want bloated, sweaty, sandals-wearing, no hair-washing Rob to get in bed with them in the first place, let alone his sister?  I mean, ??????  

 

I feel your pain, because I don't really understand it either. The only thing that keeps popping up in my mind is when Rob said  'Being in that house it was so dark and it made me do dark things,' & Khloe said "Only Rob and Lamar know what happened in the house and know what's going on.". I know that everyone hints it was about drugs, buuuuut, that's not where my mind goes. And it's gross.

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17 minutes ago, GaT said:

I feel your pain, because I don't really understand it either. The only thing that keeps popping up in my mind is when Rob said  'Being in that house it was so dark and it made me do dark things,' & Khloe said "Only Rob and Lamar know what happened in the house and know what's going on.". I know that everyone hints it was about drugs, buuuuut, that's not where my mind goes. And it's gross.

You and me both, my friend, you and me both. 

Who ever called drug use "dark things"?  No one.  

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1 hour ago, laurakaye said:

This was going to be a rhetorical question, but I think I need an actual answer.  I don't know why, I just do.  I apologize.

While I realize these people live in a nonsensical world of their own creation, they HAVE to know - just on the basis that they are mostly human beings (minus fillers and plastic) - that a grown brother and sister mingling and holding hands in bed, under the covers, is strange.  Stranger yet was the conversation between Rob and Khloe on how he had sex with a woman who won a Kim Kardashian look-alike contest...and Khloe wanted to know if he would do the same with a Khloe look-alike.  There are so many wrong parts to that scene, it overwhelms my mind.  If they are putting on some sort of act, do they honestly believe that their viewers want to listen to Rob and Khloe talk about sex and periods while cuddling in bed?  I'd say they are doing it for shock value but I don't think they are actually that smart.  Not to mention, who would want bloated, sweaty, sandals-wearing, no hair-washing Rob to get in bed with them in the first place, let alone his sister?  I mean, ??????  

Other observations:

Who puts a gigantic bowl of watermelons on the kitchen table?  Why did Kendall take one?  When Kris smiles, does anyone else see the Joker?  How do these people not literally fall on the floor laughing when Caitlyn does her "How's my little KIMMMMMMY??!" shtick on the phone?  If Kris looks like the Joker, Caitlyn sounds like him.  And is denim what one wears when meeting with an Indian prince?  Why did the prince's salad appear and disappear and reappear multiple times over the course of their conversation (never mind, I know the answer to that).

I'm exhausted.

OMG the MY LITTLE KIMMY, KHLOE,  KENDALL thing is soooo irritating. Add to it the In Living Color pursing of the lips and the pointy manicure and last but not least her haughty smug attitude. 

The other irritating thing is her constant refrain of how much work "this woman thing is" . Umm no it's not... unless you choose to to.make it so. I know very few women who think its necessary to go out in full glam and dressed for the red carpet every day. Much like being a man, being a woman is mostly internal and cerebral and very little the physical appearance. But Caitlyn wasnt a particularly good example  of a real man, so maybe we expect too much from her as a woman.

As an aside, who discusses their period, cramps etc with their BROTHER? Along with what stranger he screwed and who bled all over his bed?

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10 hours ago, iwasish said:

 

And I just wish Kim would keep her surgically  altered nose to herself with regard to the Caitlyn/Kris feud.  I guess she has nothing else to do while her hubby recuperates. I wonder how long it took her to read that book cover to cover?

At first I read that as "I wonder how long it took her to read that book cover?"  LOL

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  2 hours ago, GaT said:

I feel your pain, because I don't really understand it either. The only thing that keeps popping up in my mind is when Rob said  'Being in that house it was so dark and it made me do dark things,' & Khloe said "Only Rob and Lamar know what happened in the house and know what's going on.". I know that everyone hints it was about drugs, buuuuut, that's not where my mind goes. And it's gross.

You and me both, my friend, you and me both. 

Who ever called drug use "dark things"?  No one.  

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Kourtney quietly commented on Cait's phone pesonality - she said something like, "That _______ energy. I just can't." (Will have to watch again to fill in the blank.)

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1 hour ago, Coffeecup said:

At first I read that as "I wonder how long it took her to read that book cover?"  LOL

I think that's all she did read. The rest the glam team told her while putting her face on.

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20 hours ago, Artsda said:

So based on the Kontinuity Errors. Most of the anger of Kim was filmed in early March, so before family movie night with the entire clan including Cait being seen together. 

Also, the Jay Leno segment was filmed an entire year ago!

I can understand Kris giving Caitlyn screen time if it benefits Kris, but pulling footage out of back storage to fill a few minutes of airtime - that heavily features Caitlyn - they're not exactly arch enemies.

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2 minutes ago, TheVoicesToldMeTo said:

Also, the Jay Leno segment was filmed an entire year ago!

I can understand Kris giving Caitlyn screen time if it benefits Kris, but pulling footage out of back storage to fill a few minutes of airtime - that heavily features Caitlyn - they're not exactly arch enemies.

I think it wss more to show Kendall working at maintaining a relationship with her dad. Contrasting the  later conversation  between Kim and Kendall where Kendall says Cait is pushing everyone away. 

I'm just shocked that they all don't read the book and make up their own minds. Instead of letting Kim give them her interpretation and her recollections of the time frame and circumstances. Kim isn't exactly neutral, she's always favored Kris.

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14 minutes ago, iwasish said:

I'm just shocked that they all don't read the book and make up their own minds. 

It's so sweet of you to assume they can all read.

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16 minutes ago, GaT said:

It's so sweet of you to assume they can all read.

That Kim allegedly can is what I find shocking. I'd have put my money on Kourt. But then I just don't see Kourt caring enough of a shit about Kris or Caitlyn, that she would rustle up.the energy to even open the book.

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1 minute ago, iwasish said:

That Kim allegedly can is what I find shocking.

Maybe she got the special picture book edition, "See Caitlyn run, run Caitlyn, run"

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These girls travel a lot, there's no reason why they couldn't take some time, even on plane ride to their next glamorous destination and read the book for themselves and form their own opinion. Also, I found it so in tune with her personality that Kim spent an entire conversation with Kendell telling her about all the 'nasty' things that Cait said about HER mom. Hey dumbass, you know you and Kendell share the same mother, right?

It seems pretty obvious to me that they're taking pieces of the book and adding their own interpretation of it to make it seem like Cait is insinuating something since she didn't in blatant terms, actually say. If this isn't faux outrage for the sake of storyline and fake drama, why would they continue to promote Cait's book and give her a platform on their show? They can't be that hard pressed about it if they continuously give life to something that they claim isn't true. And for the record, I see nothing wrong with Cait admitting that she intentionally avoided the name Kardashian during her reveal interview. That stat rings true to me and given the nature of the conversation and rumours that her entire reveal and transition was a haux, why wouldn't she want to do her best to do justice to the topic and not talk about things that may distract from that? I'm not even a Cait fan and I think that was a good call.

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Ok, the Prince is eating a huge salad in the pic above.  Khloe is apparently skipping the meal.  Cool.  Who is having the 2 oreos on the other side of the table?  And, was the Prince offered the choice of 2 oreos vs salad?  I'm just puzzled.

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On 6/5/2017 at 10:56 PM, iwasish said:

I think that's all she did read. The rest the glam team told her while putting her face on.

I found it hysterical that at least three people asked Kim if she "read the whole thing."  What I find even more odd is that seemingly no one else except for Kris read the damn thing at all.  I find that literally unbelievable.  Again, I am assuming that any of them actually can read anything longer than the label on a Kylie Lip Kit.  But now that I think on it for a hot second, I can't remember ever seeing anyone in this entire extended family reading a book...and the only reference to books that I can recall was when Kris proclaimed that she was "obsessed with coffee table books."  Which, as we know, are mostly pictures. 

 

2 hours ago, smores said:

Ok, the Prince is eating a huge salad in the pic above.  Khloe is apparently skipping the meal.  Cool.  Who is having the 2 oreos on the other side of the table?  And, was the Prince offered the choice of 2 oreos vs salad?  I'm just puzzled.

I believe Kim also had a salad but as we know, she's not truly happy unless she's forking huge amounts of food into her mouth.  I'm completely shocked that Khloe isn't eating, since she loves talking with her mouth full.  Kendall is an airhead and probably forgot where the kitchen was, and Kourtney was silently protesting that the salad toppings weren't 100% gluten, dairy and wheat free, nor were they organic.  The two oreos came from one of the ginormous glass cookie jars they all seem to have in their kitchens which, mind you, they don't eat from.  They just look at them.  Or something.

And the prince's salad?  Looks mighty delicious to me.  How weird do you think he felt eating in front of all of them while they all sat there and stared at him?

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The incest scene in this episode may be the most disturbing thing I've seen on this show in 13 seasons. 
 

However, it was almost worth it to hear Kim's honest (by this show's standards) and super shady assessment of Cait's book.  "The show's not called Keeping Up with the Jenners."  ZING!  This is the realness that this "reality" show is severely lacking.  All tea all shade, Kardashians.  YAAAASSSS.  
 

And what are the odds than anyone on this show is aware that "myriad" is an actual word?   

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