Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[SusanM]

37 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

will be interesting to see if JB and Meech flew off to a wedding during the trial.

If they are it goes along with some of the other stuff the Duggars have been doing in the last week or two.  I wonder if they feel they are showing the world that they are so unconcerned about this trial, that Saint Josh is so innocent, that they can just keep living a normal life?  The problem with this is that while they may feel that they are demonstrating their belief in Josh by ignoring what's going on in that courtroom what they're also doing is demonstrating they don't give one small damn about the children who were harmed - whether Josh is actually uninvolved or not in that harm.  Great optics Duggars.

Edited December 3, 2021 by SusannahM

[Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, SnapHappy said:

By the way,

Derrick is not a lawyer.  He did graduate from law school, but is not a lawyer.  He has a degree in Jurisprudence, but is not a lawyer. 

I would like for ONE practicing lawyer on this board to correct me and say "You are absolutely wrong, Derrick Dillard IS currently a lawyer".  

 

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ 🤦‍♀️ 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Cinnabon

[Rootbeer]

4 minutes ago, Annb67 said:

So fat ass is on the stand now?! 

No, the prosecution has a computer forensics specialist on the stand who is demonstrating that Josh was physically present when the CSAM was downloaded.  

Josh is probably not going to testify, but,  if he did, it would be for the defense, as he is the defendant.

And, once again, JB and Meech are not there.  Anyone else think that JB has decided that his future career prospects outweigh any desire to support his son and DIL in their time of need?  He deliberately tanked his testimony at the prelim both to avoid having to testify against Josh, but also to make sure that there was no chance that there would be any press taking photos of him with a soon to be convicted child predator, IMO.

[CountryGirl]

1 hour ago, absnow54 said:

Apparently Derrick is sitting with Anna again. If you'd told me a week ago that Derrick would be Anna's primary support person throughout the trial, I'd never have believed it. 

I also think he wanted to cement his position in the front row of the family section so as to be easily visible for Jill should she end up testifying.

[Rootbeer]

6 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

Jeer's 6 seater plane flew to TN this morning. surely for Katie Bates' wedding tonight. will be interesting to see if JB and Meech flew off to a wedding during the trial.

Well, they seem to be avoiding the trial like the plague, so might as well get out of town, I guess.  JB probably figures the outcry if he goes to a wedding in the midst of the trial is preferable to the outcry should he go to the courtroom and support his son.

[merylinkid]

25 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

I honestly don't see how he gets out of this.  Say that another person was at his desk, downloading CP on a computer that didn't look normal, as he texted and took pictures?  His texts are burying him.

Even say he left the computer on and there was remote access.   Figure the odds that at the EXACT MOMENT Josh was sitting at the computer and the stuff was downloaded, someone ELSE was also rmeotely accessing the computer and downloading stuff.   Possible.  Not probable.   (could be why they aren't closing out the remote stuff harder, they have him dead to rights).   

As for Anna being pissed about her personal information being publicly out there on the record, I don't blame her for being pissed.   I would totally complain too.   To the lawyers to say "hey why didn't you object or at least make sure that was hidden so only the jury saw it."  That is something she has control over.   Unlike the images, she can't complain about those being shown because well, that's the whole case.   Just because she didn't react in public about the pictures didn't mean she didn't go home and have a meltdown.   

Think about it, her personal email is out there now.   You know she is going to get death threats.   You can hate child molesters, you can hate the wife of a child molester.   But she does not deserve to get death threats.   So the prosecution should really be held accountable for putting that information out there in the public record.

Edited December 3, 2021 by merylinkid

[Cinnabon]

3 hours ago, crazycatlady58 said:

I don't think they recognize the need to wake up.

In fact, they’re the ones all over SM telling people like US to “wake up.” Sad.

[libgirl2]

4 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

And, once again, JB and Meech are not there.  Anyone else think that JB has decided that his future career prospects outweigh any desire to support his son and DIL in their time of need?  He deliberately tanked his testimony at the prelim both to avoid having to testify against Josh, but also to make sure that there was no chance that there would be any press taking photos of him with a soon to be convicted child predator, IMO.

I didn't even think of that. Really good point! 

[CountryGirl]

1 hour ago, Lindsay Loo Hoo said:

This was the first time the Sun reporter noted a strong reaction from Anna.

So when it's something she perceives as an affront to herself, she has a reaction. Yet she was present for some of the CSAM testimony, including very graphic images, and sat there, stone-faced. 

Honestly, it is getting harder and harder to find any sympathy for her. 

[hathorlive]

4 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

And, once again, JB and Meech are not there.  Anyone else think that JB has decided that his future career prospects outweigh any desire to support his son and DIL in their time of need?  He deliberately tanked his testimony at the prelim both to avoid having to testify against Josh, but also to make sure that there was no chance that there would be any press taking photos of him with a soon to be convicted child predator, IMO.

They want plausible deniability.  If they aren't seen at the trial, they can distance themselves after a conviction. IF he's found not guilty, they can say they knew it all along and didn't let the trial impede their lives.

[CountryGirl]

1 hour ago, Tigregirl said:

How can she continue to hold that pig’s hand after hearing the descriptions of what he looked at?  Will nothing wake her up to who he really is?

In a word, "No."

I honestly think she could physically witness him engaging in this disgusting behavior and would find a way to hand-wave it or blame it on his victim for "enticing" him.

[Tuxcat]

Do you think Josh told Anna ahead of time about the text messages/timeline evidence? The defense knew about all of this for a long time (heck even we knew about it last year). Did Josh prepare her for that "sweetie, it's going to look really bad...but don't worry..."

[CountryGirl]

42 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

IMO, Anna does not think Josh either possessed the CSA at all, or purposely had them on his computer. In that respect, she is not putting her kids at risk. I'm guessing for the last few months she's been filled with excuses and lies. Excuses and lies she wants to be true. Excuses and lies may be the only thing she is capable of believing.

I'm not defending her, I'm only offering a different perspective. Similar to what I've seen multiple times working with clients.

As the saying goes, "there are none so blind as those who will not see."

[SusanM]

2 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

So when it's something she perceives as an affront to herself, she has a reaction. Yet she was present for some of the CSAM testimony, including very graphic images, and sat there, stone-faced. 

Reminds me of the Bernardo case here in Canada where the wife of the killer only turned on him when he got violent with her.   Anything he did prior to that was just fine.

[Rootbeer]

1 minute ago, hathorlive said:

They want plausible deniability.  If they aren't seen at the trial, they can distance themselves after a conviction. IF he's found not guilty, they can say they knew it all along and didn't let the trial impede their lives.

Yep, I expect they have strategized the whole thing and have decided it is better if they don't associate themselves with Josh and CSAM in the minds of their fellow citizens.  Then, should the trial end in an acquittal, Josh can thank them effusively for all their behind the scenes support and claim it was his decision to ask them not to attend.  And, if he is convicted, the silence will be deafening and JB and Meech will pretend to be deaf, too, anytime the subject is mentioned.

[Tuxcat]

7 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Even say he left the computer on and there was remote access.   Figure the odds that at the EXACT MOMENT Josh was sitting at the computer and the stuff was downloaded, someone ELSE was also rmeotely accessing the computer and downloading stuff.   Possible.  Not probable.   (could be why they aren't closing out the remote stuff harder, they have him dead to rights).   

True. But as previous posters have said, why leave any thread open. Shut it down and say remote access wasn't possible. 

[Natalie68]

7 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Even say he left the computer on and there was remote access.   Figure the odds that at the EXACT MOMENT Josh was sitting at the computer and the stuff was downloaded, someone ELSE was also rmeotely accessing the computer and downloading stuff.   Possible.  Not probable.   (could be why they aren't closing out the remote stuff harder, they have him dead to rights).   

As for Anna being pissed about her personal information being publicly out there on the record, I don't blame her for being pissed.   I would totally complain too.   To the lawyers to say "hey why didn't you object or at least make sure that was hidden so only the jury saw it."  That is something she has control over.   Unlike the images, she can't complain about those being shown because well, that's the whole case.   Just because she didn't react in public about the pictures didn't mean she didn't go home and have a meltdown.   

Think about it, her personal email is out there now.   You know she is going to get death threats.   You can hate child molesters, you can hate the wife of a child molester.   But she does not deserve to get death threats.   So the prosecution should really be held accountable for putting that information out there in the public record.

She can change it.  She has also lived a very public life so to her info being put out there I say bummer.  Get a new phone # and email address. 

[SusanM]

2 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

She can change it.  She has also lived a very public life so to her info being put out there I say bummer.  Get a new phone # and email address. 

Surely you aren't suggesting that she should be inconvenienced in anyway?  That's the real travesty here - not the child abuse.

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, hathorlive said:

God knows, someone has to the call these vile human beings out.  How can so many people in one family be so tone deaf, insensitive, and yet claim to be Christians?  I hope they are building a special, large place in hell for all these hypocrites. 

 

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

I read that article.  ALL children need to be kept far away from Josh/Anna/Meechelle/JB.  I would also go so far to say any of the starfuckers (looking at you Hilaria) need some pretty substantial side eye.  Anyone in that family not appreciating how FUCKED UP Josh is and what he indulged in needs to be kept away from children as well.  I now think we severely underestimated the psychopathy of that household.  

Hillaria is too busy accusing the other side of being a cabal of world domination while engaging in child sex trafficking, pedophilia, cannibalism, and satanic sacrifice. (Qanon). I’m not sure there is ANY hope for these people. 😡😥

[zoomama]

in the back of my mind, i am hoping that anna is playing the long game, with her mostly unresponsive attitude here. someone earlier said that she may have gone home and fallen apart after yesterdays reveals. i know i would have. but maybe she HAS to play the part right now because JB has her over a proverbial barrel and she wants to feed her kids next week and thereafter. i would not really be surprised to see her leave after this all plays out. 

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Apparently Derrick is sitting with Anna again. If you'd told me a week ago that Derrick would be Anna's primary support person throughout the trial, I'd never have believed it. 

Maybe he’s concerned about the kids and wants to create a bond so that he and Jill may be able to help them in the future? Or not. It’s all just blind speculation at this point. But if he is doing that, he’s the only one in this fucked up hypocritical bunch to show some actual pro life values.

Edited December 3, 2021 by Cinnabon

[libgirl2]

9 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

Reminds me of the Bernardo case here in Canada where the wife of the killer only turned on him when he got violent with her.   Anything he did prior to that was just fine.

Ugh, that was awful. I have always liked true crime, but I could not stomach these two at all. And she was an active participant. 

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, SusannahM said:

It's sad that no one from her own family seems to feel they need to be there for her.

Exactly. Where is ANYONE from Anna’s own big family?

[libgirl2]

5 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

 

Hillaria is too busy accusing the other side of being a cabal of world domination while engaging in child sex trafficking, pedophilia, cannibalism, and satanic sacrifice. (Qanon). I’m not sure there is ANY hope for these people. 😡😥

That woman is a real moron. 

[hathorlive]

10 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

Reminds me of the Bernardo case here in Canada where the wife of the killer only turned on him when he got violent with her.   Anything he did prior to that was just fine.

Those are some sick people.  And all they got her on was perjury.  She's as sick as he is.  I mean, it was her sister!

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, libgirl2 said:

No one else is there for her. Maybe he feels sorry for her. 

I would likely do the same. I’m a big shit talker online but in real life, I would feel for her sitting alone in court every day. That doesn’t mean I don’t hate her, lol.

[SusanM]

2 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Those are some sick people.  And all they got her on was perjury.  She's as sick as he is.  I mean, it was her sister!

Yep.  And not unlike the Duggars her family stood by her and have never accepted that she was a willing participant.  Or at least not publicly.  Which may well be the case here too, of course.  We'll never know what has been said behind closed doors.  

Edited December 3, 2021 by SusannahM

[hathorlive]

14 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

True. But as previous posters have said, why leave any thread open. Shut it down and say remote access wasn't possible. 

Little things like this add up.  Especially if there are other little things that aren't tied up.  There's no reason to leave ANY doubt in their minds.  Because there are some things that are out of your control that do carry a bit of doubt.  Don't let it build into an avalanche.

[cmr2014]

51 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I think she is willing to put her children and every other child at risk out of some fucked up loyalty to her husband and her fundy lifestyle.  I find her despicable.  She is old enough to know better.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that this has even crossed her mind.

I think that she (and the Duggars, and a LOT of other fundies) think that Christianity is "under attack" and "Good Christian Men" are being persecuted and framed by the godless hoardes. Experts and evidence and data mean nothing -- it's all "fake news" generated by "haters."

Remember, too, that in their world "Josh" didn't do anything, "Satan" did. If Josh downloaded CPA, it's because the devil made him do it.

In their world, Josh needs the love and support of a good Christian woman, and lots of prayer -- not jail. Only people who believe in the wrong Jesus belong in jail (and, of course, according to JB, sexual predators should be executed -- just not his son).

To some degree, I feel for her. She has to know -- even if it's only deep down inside -- that Josh is an awful person. He's been an awful husband, and an awful father for years, and the only tools that she has in her toolbelt are to be "meeker" and more subservient, more "joyfully available," and to pray more. She's been completely crippled by her upbringing and she's still completely surrounded by people who are going to reinforce those beliefs, not people who are going to encourage her to face reality and begin the long, painful process of extricating herself and her children from this mess.

[hathorlive]

5 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I would likely do the same. I’m a big shit talker online but in real life, I would feel for her sitting alone in court every day. That doesn’t mean I don’t hate her, lol.

I don't know these people, and really, I don't care to.  But I have to think that Derrick is there for Jill first, to get the truth second, to observe what he learned in law school, and to support a person who is struggling.

[hathorlive]

24 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

So when it's something she perceives as an affront to herself, she has a reaction. Yet she was present for some of the CSAM testimony, including very graphic images, and sat there, stone-faced. 

Honestly, it is getting harder and harder to find any sympathy for her. 

To be fair, when you work in a position of trust (government, law, whatever) it is assumed that you don't help victimize people.  PII (personally identifiable information) can ravage a person's credit report and life.  Our computer system won't even let us email something with PII.  It was a violation of her privacy and it was wrong.  I would get in trouble with my boss for leaving that in a report that was in court.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Web searches on the computer were also discussed, according to the Sun reporter at the trial.

The searches showed multiple attempts at downloading torrents in April 2017.

Reddit and Hollywood Gossip were also visited.

According to a report discussed at the trial from May 6 to May 13, 2017, search for a torrent website was reviewed and blocked.

A torrent program was on the partition side of the HP, according to the Sun reporter at the trial.

Next, Josh's iPhone was discussed, according to the Sun reporter at the trial on Friday.

The iPhone was backed up from a Macbook.

On May 11, 2019, at 5.58pm, the phone had a photo of a car, and Fottrell explained it was at the car lot.

 

On the same day, May 11, 2019, Linux/Ubuntu was installed at 5.47pm, according to testimony at the trial, the Sun reporter revealed.

Some texts were sent from Josh Duggar's phone to Joshua Williams, an employee, around 5.59pm, discussing a car.

Josh's phone sent photos from the car lot at that time.

 

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

IMO, Anna does not think Josh either possessed the CSA at all, or purposely had them on his computer. In that respect, she is not putting her kids at risk. I'm guessing for the last few months she's been filled with excuses and lies. Excuses and lies she wants to be true. Excuses and lies may be the only thing she is capable of believing.

I'm not defending her, I'm only offering a different perspective. Similar to what I've seen multiple times working with clients.

Sadly, there’s a lot of people more caught up in the “fake news” and many conspiracy theories than ever before, it seems. The prosecutors MUST be part of the deep state that is continually trying to persecute them! 

Anna is very likely caught up in this line of thinking. 

 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

On May 13, 2019, the iPhone showed a photo taken at the car lot in messages.

Tor was also downloaded, according to the Sun reporter at the trial on Friday.

The next day, on May 14, 2019, a photo was taken on the phone in Tontitown, Arkansas, not at the car lot.

Photos of cars at the car lot that day were also shown, as well as a photo of a YouTube video about cars, according to the Sun reporter at the trial.

That same day, May 14, 2019, torrent files were downloaded on the Linux partition side of the computer that evening, according to testimony at the trial heard by the Sun reporter.

The files were downloaded at 5.28pm and 5.38pm.

(Please be advised, continuing coverage may include upsetting information, but will not include graphic descriptions or imagery).

The videos were of minor girls between 8 and 10 years old.

That same evening, about half an hour later, more photos of the car lot were taken on the phone.

Photos from 6.04pm and 6.07pm were used as evidence, according to the Sun reporter at the trial.

 

[SusanM]

9 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

more "joyfully available,"

Based on the testimony coming out right now it sounds like Josh made himself joyfully available to the prosecution.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Text messages from May 14, 2019, were also shown at the trial, according to the Sun reporter.

One from 4.49pm said "got stuck here," and one at 5.48pm was sent to a customer about a Versa at the car lot.

Between 5.41pm and 5.42pm on May 14, 2019, a movie was completely downloaded on the computer, according to evidence at the trial on Friday as described by the Sun reporter in the courtroom.

On May 15, 2019, several child sexual abuse materials were downloaded at the car lot, according to evidence at the trial relayed by the Sun reporter.

Several videos were downloaded between 5.22 and 5.41pm

On May 15, 2019, a text at 11.15am from Josh's phone said he was at the car lot and that he would be around until 1.00pm and added, "Will be back."

Between 11.00am and noon that day, torrent files with minors engaging in explicit content were downloaded.

Between 3.55pm and 5.08pm, Josh's phone sent several texts, according to evidence at the trial and the Sun reporter in the courtroom.

One was about praying for a man in an accident and another was stating that he would be at the car lot until 6pm.

On the evening of May 15, 2019, between 5 and 6pm, five torrent files of videos were downloaded to the computer.

At 5.58pm and 5.59pm, Josh Duggar's phone sent texts saying he would be at the car lot for a while because he still had customers.

On May 16, 2019, another photo was taken at the car lot at 11.35am.

At 11.33am, a downloaded video's thumbnail image file was created.

At 12.56, Josh's phone sent a text saying he couldn't go to Lowe's because he had a customer at the car lot.

After a short recess, William Clayman with the prosecution continued questioning James Fottrell.

Testimony revealed that an iPhone Apple version of Tor was on the iPhone11, according to the Sun reporter at the trial.

On October 16, 2019, it was used to view adult pornography starting at 2.15am.

According to testimony at the trial on Friday, the iPhone accessed adult pornography on October 19, 21, and 22.

It also accessed that content on November 2, 7, and 8.

On November 8, Homeland Security executed a search warrant at the car lot.

[Cinnabon]

33 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

They want plausible deniability.  If they aren't seen at the trial, they can distance themselves after a conviction. IF he's found not guilty, they can say they knew it all along and didn't let the trial impede their lives.

Don’t most loving mothers support their kids, even if accused of murder? She doesn’t have to believe he is innocent to be there to support him.  Even Jeffery Dahmer’s parents were there for him.

[Cinnabon]

28 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

Surely you aren't suggesting that she should be inconvenienced in anyway?  That's the real travesty here - not the child abuse.

She is privileged enough to live in a protected area that protesters can’t access. She can easily change her damn phone number and email.

[libgirl2]

2 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Don’t most loving mothers support their kids, even if accused of murder? She doesn’t have to believe he is innocent to be there to support him.  Even Jeffery Dahmer’s parents were there for him.

I think it depends how the relationship was to begin with. And yes, you do support your child but you can't be blind to what they did. If Michelle loved Josh, she would be there, not deluding herself as to what he did, but as a parent who loves their child. 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

According to the Sun reporter at the trial on Friday, James Fottrell testified that Josh Duggar was at the car lot "every time" child sexual abuse material was downloaded.

Next, the Sun reporter at the trial said, Justin Gelfand with the defense cross-examined James Fottrell.

They went over different tools that were or were not used in the case.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

29 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I would likely do the same. I’m a big shit talker online but in real life, I would feel for her sitting alone in court every day. That doesn’t mean I don’t hate her, lol.

Well I guess I’m just a bitch because I don’t feel one bit sorry for her. She doesn’t have to go traipsing her ass to the courthouse every day. That’s a choice she consciously makes. Despite their ideology, Josh can’t make her and neither can JB.  And if I  were her parents, I wouldn’t go either.  If she wants to stand behind that sick fuck then she should be woman enough to do it alone. She might be in a cult, but she’s got better access to resources such as money, private planes and a large network of supporters/leg humpers than most on this forum.  I highly doubt anyone in her family, Jill & Derrick, Amy & Deanna, their church friends or fans would let her kids go hungry if she chose not to support Josh.  
You can’t stand in solidarity with a perverted, pedophilic sadist and then complain about lack of support. 

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Ijustwantsomechips

[Cinnabon]

25 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

Ugh, that was awful. I have always liked true crime, but I could not stomach these two at all. And she was an active participant. 

That one also threw me when I first heard the story. And I’m also a true crime buff . Just heinous.

[3 is enough]

47 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

Jeer's 6 seater plane flew to TN this morning. surely for Katie Bates' wedding tonight. will be interesting to see if JB and Meech flew off to a wedding during the trial.

Oh, Duggars.  No situational awareness whatsoever. I really don't think Gil and Kelly or Katie would have been offended if they sat this one out.  I can just hear the small talk:  "Hi! What's new?"  "Oh, not too much.  My brother is on trial for possession of CSAM, but other than that it's been pretty quiet". 🤦‍♀️

[Cinnabon]

26 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

That woman is a real moron. 

Justin may get more hands on motherly attention from Hillaria than he did from Michelle (and remember, ice Queen Jessa was his sister mom), but he’s still being influenced by someone batshit crazy. 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Justin Gelfand said only eight devices were taken in this case, but claimed that in similar cases, 30-40 devices have been taken, the Sun reporter at the trial revealed.

He noted that James Fottrell could on

According to continuing testimony from James Fottrell, he said the two Mac products in question had no trace of child sexual abuse material.

"If it was there, I would find it," he said, according to the Sun reporter at the trial.

ly inspect what law enforcement give him.

[hathorlive]

6 minutes ago, Lindsay Loo Hoo said:

According to the Sun reporter at the trial on Friday, James Fottrell testified that Josh Duggar was at the car lot "every time" child sexual abuse material was downloaded.

Next, the Sun reporter at the trial said, Justin Gelfand with the defense cross-examined James Fottrell.

They went over different tools that were or were not used in the case.

And the attack on the forensic tools begins.  EnCase, X-Ways, FTK, and Axiom have been vetted and white papered to death.

[Madtown]

2 minutes ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Well I guess I’m just a bit h because I don’t feel one bit sorry for her. She doesn’t have to go traipsing her ass to the courthouse every day. That’s a choice she consciously makes. Despite their ideology, Josh can’t make her and neither can JB.  And if I  were her parents, I wouldn’t go either.  If she wants to stand behind that sick fuck then she should be woman enough to do it alone. She might be in a cult, but she’s got better access to resources such as money, private planes and a large network of supporters/leg humpers than most on this forum.  I highly doubt anyone in her family, Jill & Derrick, Amy & Deanna, their church friends or fans would let her kids go hungry if she chose not to support Josh.  
You can’t stand in solidarity with a perverted, pedophilic sadist and then complain about lack of support. 

 

Every.Bit.Of.This.
She had a chance to get out. She had a brother begging her to leave and to help her and the kids. She not only made the choice to stay, but had, what? 2 or 3 more kids with the creep? Nope, I don't feel sorry for her at all!

She will be the first one to greet him when he gets out of prison, with open arms and all 7 kids with her.

Prove me wrong Anna.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

According to continuing testimony from James Fottrell, he said the two Mac products in question had no trace of child sexual abuse material.

"If it was there, I would find it," he said, according to the Sun reporter at the trial.

Gelfand then continued his cross-examination of Fottrell.

Fottrell and Gelfand agreed that the computer at the car lot was clearly a business computer.

It had a program that autogenerated car selling contracts and other forms.

According to the Sun reporter at the trial, James Fottrell testified that 100 percent of the alleged child sexual abuse material was on the Linux side of the computer.

 

[Cinnabon]

23 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

I could be wrong, but I don't think that this has even crossed her mind.

I think that she (and the Duggars, and a LOT of other fundies) think that Christianity is "under attack" and "Good Christian Men" are being persecuted and framed by the godless hoardes. Experts and evidence and data mean nothing -- it's all "fake news" generated by "haters."

Remember, too, that in their world "Josh" didn't do anything, "Satan" did. If Josh downloaded CPA, it's because the devil made him do it.

In their world, Josh needs the love and support of a good Christian woman, and lots of prayer -- not jail. Only people who believe in the wrong Jesus belong in jail (and, of course, according to JB, sexual predators should be executed -- just not his son).

To some degree, I feel for her. She has to know -- even if it's only deep down inside -- that Josh is an awful person. He's been an awful husband, and an awful father for years, and the only tools that she has in her toolbelt are to be "meeker" and more subservient, more "joyfully available," and to pray more. She's been completely crippled by her upbringing and she's still completely surrounded by people who are going to reinforce those beliefs, not people who are going to encourage her to face reality and begin the long, painful process of extricating herself and her children from this mess.

Right. All actual experts (doctors, scientists, lawyers, judges, professors, etc) are just “elitists” and can’t be trusted. Look how Dr.Fauci is being vilified.  I’m sure many in this family feel the same way about the prosecutors and their “evidence.”

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12 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Don’t most loving mothers support their kids, even if accused of murder? She doesn’t have to believe he is innocent to be there to support him.  Even Jeffery Dahmer’s parents were there for him.

Most mothers spend more time raising their kids than creating a fake reality for TV and the public.