S08.E17: And Away We Finally Go

[ElDosEquis]

4 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Luann has already said they are doing a pre-nup.  She is protecting her assets acquired during her first marriage and he is protecting his.  If Luann was marrying some average wage earner, people would be saying he was only after her for her money and could not possibly love her just her money.  It was Dorinda who thought they would be a good match and part of that it would seem the couple would be matched means wise.  When Ramona said to Bethenny at Sonja's fashion show she was rude for saying, "he is a bartender," Ramona replied, "you wouldn't date a bartender."  Bethenny then brought up Jaosn and Ramona said Jason wasn't a bartender. 

Someone better tell carole she is dating a cook? Chef? Cook? Chef?

[motorcitymom65]

20 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

If Luann was wrong and she paid dearly for commenting on Before Carole, then how can she be wrong now for adopting Carole's stance?  This isn't directed at you personally, but these ladies can't have it both ways.  Similarly, in that situation it was Adam that told Nicole-not Carole.  So things are progressing as Carole, Bethenny, Heather et al, deemed appropriate in the Carole, Adam Luann situation until they decided it didn't apply to Luann and Tom.  If Ramona and Sonja are so intimidated about filming around Tom-don't go to the party.  I am sure the party would have been just fine with Jules, Carole and Dorinda. 

I agree a person cannot have it both ways, but who is trying to except for Lu? None of the others were involved in Lu's fake outrage at Carole because it was made up bullshit that happened after filming and thus no one else ever weighed in on it. The only person trying to have it both ways is Lu.  When it was someone else finding themselves unexpentantly in a relationship that made them happy, she had plenty to say and cared greatly about what had come before. Now that she is in the same situation, she doesn't care about anything before her and is stunned and outraged that people would have doubts. It's all about HER happiness and anyone who is concerned about anything else is just miserable and jealous. I agree that she cannot have it both ways but she seems to think that she can. 

[zoeysmom]

What the hell is Ramona talking about?  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/ramona-singer/ramona-singer-toms-body-language  Bethenny put your name in the press in connection with Tom, Luann has been trying to downplay it.  Willful ignorance makes is a turn off.  Luann has every right to discuss her dating life just as Ramona has every right to not discuss her non-existent serious relationships life.  Why does Ramona think Tom lied about his relationship with Sonja or her?  He can't have both told Luann and Sonja about it, as she claimed when talking to Sonja and lied about the relationship.  Aren't Ramona and Tom's stories exactly the same about no chemistry?  Where is the lie?  What exactly did Tom's body language say that is so "all"?  They have been tried their hardest to make the situation uncomfortable for Luann and Tom and now that it has been successful it is telling?  Score you stupid twit you managed to make people feel uncomfortable at their party.  Self awareness in this woman is seriously lacking.

[izabella]

Lu should have throw Ramona overboard.

[zoeysmom]

Just now, izabella said:

Lu should have throw Ramona overboard.

Without her swim noodles.

[izabella]

2 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Without her swim noodles.

"Who are YOU to get ME wet?!"

[Yours Truly]

19 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I agree a person cannot have it both ways, but who is trying to except for Lu? None of the others were involved in Lu's fake outrage at Carole because it was made up bullshit that happened after filming and thus no one else ever weighed in on it. The only person trying to have it both ways is Lu.  When it was someone else finding themselves unexpentantly in a relationship that made them happy, she had plenty to say and cared greatly about what had come before. Now that she is in the same situation, she doesn't care about anything before her and is stunned and outraged that people would have doubts. It's all about HER happiness and anyone who is concerned about anything else is just miserable and jealous. I agree that she cannot have it both ways but she seems to think that she can. 

Someone shoot me..

Is Lu bringing up Adam and Carole anymore?

I'm sorry is there some blood relation among them to make the situations comparable?

Did Lu dive into dumpsters for dirt on Adam and then try to use it as something to drive them apart or did Lu just engage in a petty immature cat fight with ONE woman that went way too far?

Also, how long is that unfortunate debacle meant to be a relevant excuse for the whole cast to keep fucking with Lu? It's maddening.

Edited July 28, 2016 by Yours Truly

[ElDosEquis]

IF Tom was out to 'bang a whole Gucci bag full of' househoes, isn't it up to THEM to (gonna paraphrase here) "Keep you legs closed to single men".

Seriously? Unless you are with a person 24/7, You don't know where they will fall down naked, with someone that is not you.

That is where the trust comes in.

If you can't trust a person to keep their genitals under control?

[motorcitymom65]

6 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

What the hell is Ramona talking about?  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/ramona-singer/ramona-singer-toms-body-language  Bethenny put your name in the press in connection with Tom, Luann has been trying to downplay it.  Willful ignorance makes is a turn off.  Luann has every right to discuss her dating life just as Ramona has every right to not discuss her non-existent serious relationships life.  Why does Ramona think Tom lied about his relationship with Sonja or her?  He can't have both told Luann and Sonja about it, as she claimed when talking to Sonja and lied about the relationship.  Aren't Ramona and Tom's stories exactly the same about no chemistry?  Where is the lie?  What exactly did Tom's body language say that is so "all"?  They have been tried their hardest to make the situation uncomfortable for Luann and Tom and now that it has been successful it is telling?  Score you stupid twit you managed to make people feel uncomfortable at their party.  Self awareness in this woman is seriously lacking.

No doubt, self awareness is not Ramona's friend.  That scene with her posing for Sonja was ridiculous. The only thing I will say about Sonja is she is a good sport about Ramona. 

I wonder what more there is for us to learn about Tom? Is there some type of proof regarding Sonja and her claims that we are yet to find out? I think that Lu's Twitter is interesting. She isn't calling anyone a liar anymore. She just keeps posting that the past is the past and that she doesn't care. That she and Tom are both adults with a history and she doesn't care at all about what he did in the past. 

[izabella]

None of these people seemed to have any problems with Harry Dubin (Aviva's ex HUSBAND, Sonja, and maybe Lu at some point in the past?  Or Ramona?  Not sure).

And Sonja sure was fine with banging Tomas the Pirate the night after Lu did.  Did she ask Lu's permission or notify her? 

The angst about it is all BS to drum up a story line for the show.  I doubt either Ramonja or anyone else actually gives a shit, except that Lu is engaged adn they are jelly - THAT is not something they are good at hiding.  The more they fuss, they more apparent it becomes.

And, you guys?  I'm already getting bored with it!  I thought I'd relish the jealousy fueled fuming, but I'm over it, and over this whole thing because they have nothing else to talk about except for Bethy who insists on talking about all her bleeding all over the place.  I'm ready to move on to something else, but I guess this is all going to get dragged out til the end of the season.  Ugh.  Maybe I'll be watching "Married at First Sight" train wreck instead.

Edited July 28, 2016 by izabella

[motorcitymom65]

5 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Someone shoot me..

Is Lu bringing up Adam and Carole anymore?

I'm sorry is there some blood relation among them to make the situations comparable?

Did Lu dive into dumpsters for dirt on Adam and then try to use it as something to drive them apart or did Lu just engage in a petty immature cat fight with ONE woman that went way too far?

Also, how long is that unfortunate debacle meant to be a relevant excuse for the whole cast to keep fucking with Lu? It's maddening.

I was responding to a post that specifically brought up the Lu/Carole/Adam thing from last year. 

I will try to remember that no situation is ever comparable unless a blood relation is involved. I really do learn something new on this forum every. single. day. 

[Natalie68]

32 minutes ago, Castina said:

Thanks.  So her boss meaning Bravo? Maybe getting annoyed at her and Carole running out all the time? Could explain Carole's turn around.  I hadn't thought of that as I assumed she was her own boss and a producer of the show ;)

Yep.  As someone mentioned earlier Aviva had to get a note to get our of Montana so I'm guessing its standard.  

[KungFuBunny]

4 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Not only was the footage manipultive, but edited. Jules says hi to the nanny and in the next frame Rio is already on the phone. I totally believe that there was a discussion with the nanny and maybe even the kids regarding Michael that got Jagger upset. Jules has been on camera for a few epis now complaining about Michael never being home or caring for the kids. Just more fodder for her divorce case. And why in the world would Michael be home on a work day? Now we don't know the time of the call but there is no indication that it is the evening, but Jules states that Michael was to be there 24/7 while she was away. Because she is there when he is away. You are a SAHM moron, with a nanny.

I had to roll my eyes at Jules TH where she states that she has never wanted to be a business owner, but now she is. I do not know one person who is a successful business owner who is not driven. I don't see Jules' little adventure lasting long as she has no work ethic - at least none that I have seen. Maybe she can pull her nanny out of the sample sales line and have her run the business for her.

Like other posters, I totally thought Lu's claim regarding the yacht was a lie. She said that it belonged to a friend of hers, that she has been a guest on it previously but never slept there. Then later says no one has ever slept there. Why would someone own a yacht and never have had guests sleep over? Just more of Lu's B.S.

Jules has claimed she’s the stay at home Super hands on mom. The flight to Florida is only 3 hours. So she was gone from the kids a max of 5 hours at that point. When something is wrong a child usually wants their primary care taker. I find it telling that Jagger couldn’t give a crap about Jules, he wanted his DADDY not his mommy.

[Yours Truly]

2 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

IF Tom was out to 'bang a whole Gucci bag full of' househoes, isn't it up to THEM to (gonna paraphrase here) "Keep you legs closed to single men".

Seriously? Unless you are with a person 24/7, You don't know where they will fall down naked, with someone that is not you.

That is where the trust comes in.

If you can't trust a person to keep their genitals under control?

I'm still not understanding why it's such a taboo for a man to enjoy the company of women.

You mean to tell me that some of Sonja's bedpersons are complete strangers with one another?? or You mean to tell me that the one's that do know each other know they are banging Sonja Morgan and if we go as far as that you mean to tell me the men are really gonna give a rats ass about whether or not they've been given full disclosure by the others? Sounds disturbing the other way around doesn't it? It also sounds rather creepy. Why we expect this process from women is terribly frightening.  Sounds silly and downright offputting when slapping it on a man's narrative but for some reason makes sense when it comes to women knowing about each other's mutual conquests.

Yuck!

7 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

No doubt, self awareness is not Ramona's friend.  That scene with her posing for Sonja was ridiculous. The only thing I will say about Sonja is she is a good sport about Ramona. 

I wonder what more there is for us to learn about Tom? Is there some type of proof regarding Sonja and her claims that we are yet to find out? I think that Lu's Twitter is interesting. She isn't calling anyone a liar anymore. She just keeps posting that the past is the past and that she doesn't care. That she and Tom are both adults with a history and she doesn't care at all about what he did in the past. 

Sounds like a reasonable approach to me. What's there to knock about that?

[Crankybroad]

So who keeps "Carole's" west coast dog? That really makes me dislike her, abandon one dog and get another?

The commercial for the upcoming animated movie "Kubo" came on right after the scene at Bethenny's with Carole's scratch on the face. My husband looked over and said, "I didn't know Carole had a kid." The character's scratch was even on the same side. If she did have a kid, would she leave it on the other side of the country once it was no longer little and cute?

Do love Sonja's recognition of Dorinda's shit stirring. 

Edited July 28, 2016 by Crankybroad

[Castina]

1 minute ago, Natalie68 said:

Yep.  As someone mentioned earlier Aviva had to get a note to get our of Montana so I'm guessing its standard.  

Thanks!  I guess I didn't listen properly as I thought Bethenny was saying she needed it to fly.  And also never entered my mind Bethenny had to follow the same rules of the others :D

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Not a fan of Ramona but I wonder if she was eager to bring up the NY Post article on the show and use Luann as a scapgoat was so that it would make the edit and become part of the discussion to clear up the error the writer made in naming HER as friend with benefits.  I can understand if she doesn't want the misconception floating around that she'd been hooking up with him for a decade for a number of reasons, particularly that she was married during that time.  

[hisbunkie]

18 hours ago, mothmonsterman said:

 

Sonja is showing a real ugly side.  She is horribly jealous and catty.  She was just a booty call with Tom.  I thought people going into situations like that know they will never lead to a relationship.  It's just supposed to be fun.  Sonja does it a TON, so it's kind of odd that she is all of a sudden so upset about this guy.  She hangs off any man or woman in the room, usually.  

I'm with Sonja...although there was no future in the relationship with Tom, it was still a relationship. The way she discribed it -Tom was a keeper, a friend she slept with when they were between relationships during a ten year period. They knew each other and his relationship with Lou has to hurt. Not necessarily because she wanted to marry him but because he could have been more forthcoming .  Imagine what we would be saying if the news was that Sonja was marrying Tom's brother?  Know what I mean?  

There is a lot of shit stirring going on,though.  

AND Ramoa needs to get rid of the extensions. She looks so much better with a bob. 

[Yours Truly]

5 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I was responding to a post that specifically brought up the Lu/Carole/Adam thing from last year. 

I will try to remember that no situation is ever comparable unless a blood relation is involved. I really do learn something new on this forum every. single. day. 

Well considering that a big part of Lu's emotional and at times unreasonable response to Carole was because her niece was part of the equation. I don't know about you but family involvement drudges up some very primal emotions.

Ex. Lu mentions Dorinda's non birthday cake and because Dorinda associates the cake with her mom.. All of a sudden Dorinda goes at Lu like nobodies business. Lu never said a thing about her mom. Or even anything negative about the cake at all just that it's funny to have a birthday cake staring her in the face when just moments before Dorinda is correcting Lu and telling her that the gathering had absolutely nothing to do with her birthday. But still, Lu mentioning the cake set bells off in Dorinda's mind. "You're criticizing the cake, you're criticizing my mom? What, what, what the fuck!!!" See how that works? It's not actually justified but that type of emotional "phenomenon" actually occurs when it comes to family. Hope that kinda paints the picture.

[Bebecat]

Yes, to Ramona's hair being way too long. I get the newly-divorced, want a change, look young etc...but not doing her any favors.

[motorcitymom65]

11 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I'm still not understanding why it's such a taboo for a man to enjoy the company of women.

You mean to tell me that some of Sonja's bedpersons are complete strangers with one another?? or You mean to tell me that the one's that do know each other know they are banging Sonja Morgan and if we go as far as that you mean to tell me the men are really gonna give a rats ass about whether or not they've been given full disclosure by the others? Sounds disturbing the other way around doesn't it? It also sounds rather creepy. Why we expect this process from women is terribly frightening.  Sounds silly and downright offputting when slapping it on a man's narrative but for some reason makes sense when it comes to women knowing about each other's mutual conquests.

Yuck!

Sounds like a reasonable approach to me. What's there to knock about that?

Completely reasonable. Who's knocking it? The man just interviewed this week that he did something bad and regrets it, so it's best to stop acting like your man so above it all and focus on "who cares".  I was simply responding to a post asking how Ramona could possibly know what really went down with Sonja and wondering if more about that will be revealed. Lu had been saying on Twitter they were lying prior to Tom's interview this week that he had done something he "deeply regrets". She has stopped with the "liar" stuff and now says she doesn't really care, which makes me wonder what will be revealed. 

[motorcitymom65]

13 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Well considering that a big part of Lu's emotional and at times unreasonable response to Carole was because her niece was part of the equation. I don't know about you but family involvement drudges up some very primal emotions.

Ex. Lu mentions Dorinda's non birthday cake and because Dorinda associates the cake with her mom.. All of a sudden Dorinda goes at Lu like nobodies business. Lu never said a thing about her mom. Or even anything negative about the cake at all just that it's funny to have a birthday cake staring her in the face when just moments before Dorinda is correcting Lu and telling her that the gathering had absolutely nothing to do with her birthday. But still, Lu mentioning the cake set bells off in Dorinda's mind. "You're criticizing the cake, you're criticizing my mom? What, what, what the fuck!!!" See how that works? It's not actually justified but that type of emotional "phenomenon" actually occurs when it comes to family. Hope that kinda paints the picture.

Yes, and Dorinda was nuts in that moment. As nuts as Lu was.  The thing that redeems Dorinda is that she didn't get hysterical about it 6 months later. 

[WireWrap]

58 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I do.  He was in that scene season 1 with Ramona and her friend Joannie in the bar.  Then he apparently was boning Sonja, dating Ramona, now engaged to Luann.  SURELY there are more women in the UES than these 3 who happen to be on a semi highly rated tv show.  We need to ask Sonja's facialist for the skinny since she knows all the gossip :).

1 scene, filmed 8 years ago doesn't equate to Tom being thirsty, especially since he was interested in Ramona's friend, not Ramona, and Tom/Joannie  didn't end up dating. Is he a hound dog? Yes but that doesn't make him thirsty. I am not sure that the Facialist would know how many times he/Sonja hooked up because Sonja likes to embellish her life big time, so much so that it can be hard to separate fact from fiction with her......example.........Madonna at her fashion show! LOL Sonja's story has changed, Tom's hasn't.

Now for Ramona/Tom.......Ramona's numbers have changed every time she tells her story, it was up to 12 dates the last time she told the story but

Spoiler

will fall to 4 - 5 dates this upcoming episode in August (ending 3 months before he starting dating Luann)

to Tom's face and most of those dates were group dates/outings/events according to Ramona, herself.

So, in short, both Sonja's/Ramona's stories have changed a number of times with how many dates/hookups they had with him growing each time. IMO, it is because they can't remember what they said the last time because they are embellishing at best or outright lying to support Bethenny's agenda against Luann. His story with each of them hasn't changed at all.

[Yours Truly]

11 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Completely reasonable. Who's knocking it? The man just interviewed this week that he did something bad and regrets it, so it's best to stop acting like your man so above it all and focus on "who cares".  I was simply responding to a post asking how Ramona could possibly know what really went down with Sonja and wondering if more about that will be revealed. Lu had been saying on Twitter they were lying prior to Tom's interview this week that he had done something he "deeply regrets". She has stopped with the "liar" stuff and now says she doesn't really care, which makes me wonder what will be revealed. 

I would think he regrets how he handled the news coming out so abruptly and unexpectantly not that he's been involved with the women. This is why it drives me batty when the women dive in so deep and pick it apart to pieces because everything gets so damn convoluted and doesn't even make sense. I don't understand why it's even relevant anymore. Is this now going to be something that can't be "gotten over" due to the imagined sensitiveness of it all? That there is no way to "move passed it" quickly and easily cause GASP it's such of betrayal? I just hope they aren't setting up the scene for yet another hump that needs to be gotten over but will be a long hard road because of the deep rooted pain of it all. <sigh> and <gag>.

Edited July 28, 2016 by Yours Truly

[zoeysmom]

42 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I agree a person cannot have it both ways, but who is trying to except for Lu? None of the others were involved in Lu's fake outrage at Carole because it was made up bullshit that happened after filming and thus no one else ever weighed in on it. The only person trying to have it both ways is Lu.  When it was someone else finding themselves unexpentantly in a relationship that made them happy, she had plenty to say and cared greatly about what had come before. Now that she is in the same situation, she doesn't care about anything before her and is stunned and outraged that people would have doubts. It's all about HER happiness and anyone who is concerned about anything else is just miserable and jealous. I agree that she cannot have it both ways but she seems to think that she can. 

You see it as having it both ways, I see it as lesson learned and followed.  Say Luann said, "Michael and Jules are a funny looking couple, women should not date men shorter than they are."  Everyone tells Luann she is wrong and she eventually apologizes.  Does that mean Luann can never date someone shorter than her?  I say no.  It just means she has previously been wrong in her assertion.

Are you suggesting Luann and Tom should not be together because he dated Ramona and bedded Sonja?  Because I just don't see it.  What is anyone else concerned about?  Is Tom suppose to abandon his attraction to Luann until Ramona and Sonja are comfortable with him?  At the end of the day, just like with Carole and Adam it is between them. Wasn't the lesson learned a guy coming on the show for exposure who had bedded a sometime Bravolebrity, who was a generation younger off limits as to doubts in the relationship?  I can't explain the others' emotions if it is not jealousy. Carole isn't jealous.  Carole is entertained at this point.  Maybe if Sonja didn't speak ill of the ring, the yacht, the relationship in general she would not be painted as jealous.  Maybe if Ramona didn't have some bizarre territorial issue over a guy she went out to dinner with and had no connection it would not come off as jealous.  Sane people don't demand co-workers check with them before dating someone they had dinner with.  Would Ramona or Sonja have withheld their approval if approached by Tom, and if so, on what basis?  Lesson learned is if someone is happy don't try and break their bubble.

[Yours Truly]

2 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Yes, and Dorinda was nuts in that moment. As nuts as Lu was.  The thing that redeems Dorinda is that she didn't get hysterical about it 6 months later. 

Yeah but by then Carole had thrown her own barbs and engaged in the pettiness. Lu wasn't throwing barbs out just for the sake of it. It turned into a back and forth because Carole jumped right in while the water was warm complete with all her zero fucks.

[Castina]

Just reading the blogs that have been put up so far for this episode and my guess is that the texts Bethenny exposes in next episode (?) will be Tom and some woman texting within the first two month period Luann and he started dating.  Could be Sonja, could be the ex-gf Ramona mentioned he was still texting and gave a xmas present to or some unknown entity but some of the cast seem pretty cocksure the texts will expose him and Luann, in her blog, says it took a couple of months for Tom to realize he wanted to marry her.  

btw....I know it seems like Dorinda stirs things but my take this episode is that she was giving Luann the heads up that the production theme for this night was the NY Post article and that trouble was on the way.  They weren't there to celebrate, it was an ambush.

[motorcitymom65]

4 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

You see it as having it both ways, I see it as lesson learned and followed.  Say Luann said, "Michael and Jules are a funny looking couple, women should not date men shorter than they are."  Everyone tells Luann she is wrong and she eventually apologizes.  Does that mean Luann can never date someone shorter than her?  I say no.  It just means she has previously been wrong in her assertion.

Are you suggesting Luann and Tom should not be together because he dated Ramona and bedded Sonja?  Because I just don't see it.  What is anyone else concerned about?  Is Tom suppose to abandon his attraction to Luann until Ramona and Sonja are comfortable with him?  At the end of the day, just like with Carole and Adam it is between them. Wasn't the lesson learned a guy coming on the show for exposure who had bedded a sometime Bravolebrity, who was a generation younger off limits as to doubts in the relationship?  I can't explain the others' emotions if it is not jealousy. Carole isn't jealous.  Carole is entertained at this point.  Maybe if Sonja didn't speak ill of the ring, the yacht, the relationship in general she would not be painted as jealous.  Maybe if Ramona didn't have some bizarre territorial issue over a guy she went out to dinner with and had no connection it would not come off as jealous.  Sane people don't demand co-workers check with them before dating someone they had dinner with.  Would Ramona or Sonja have withheld their approval if approached by Tom, and if so, on what basis?  Lesson learned is if someone is happy don't try and break their bubble.

I am absolutely not suggesting that Lu and Tom not be together. Unlike Lu, I would never expect someone else to give up their happiness because it made me uncomfortable. If either Ramona or Sonja would suggest something like that, that would put them in the same category as Lu, which would be terrible. If they think he is a d-bag and don't think she should be with him, that is one thing. If they want her to put aside her own happiness because of them, shame on them both. 

My point was that of course this would be a storyline. No way it would not have been. Others have tried to keep some of their personal stuff quiet, or have dated people that would prefer to not be on the show. This is not the case here. Knowing that this would be a really big deal, Lu and Tom went all in. 

[Umbelina]

Luann looked pathetic, and desperate, and very, very old.  That last part is probably because she was acting like she was 18 giddy though.  You can't act like the lead in Bye Bye Birdie at your age and have it end well.

 

Not a good look Countess.

Edited July 28, 2016 by Umbelina

[zoeysmom]

49 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

No doubt, self awareness is not Ramona's friend.  That scene with her posing for Sonja was ridiculous. The only thing I will say about Sonja is she is a good sport about Ramona. 

I wonder what more there is for us to learn about Tom? Is there some type of proof regarding Sonja and her claims that we are yet to find out? I think that Lu's Twitter is interesting. She isn't calling anyone a liar anymore. She just keeps posting that the past is the past and that she doesn't care. That she and Tom are both adults with a history and she doesn't care at all about what he did in the past. 

I think this is where it stands with Luann/Tom and Sonja.  Tom has said his piece-the day before the filming of the Reunion.  Luann is going with Tom's story and I believe still friendly with Sonja.  What exactly does Sonja win with evidence contrary to Tom's story?  What on earth would she produce to buttress her ever changing claims?  Who is going to be the grown up here and let the contrary accounts drop?  Maybe Luann and Tom listened when Sonja said she felt she was being marginalized.  The only cure for that is to include her as being a friend.  She was invited to Luann's May surprise birthday party, Ramona was disinvited by Tom.  So if Sonja truly wants to be friends it is time to leave the past in the past.  How does one change the past?  Unhealthy individuals dwell in the past and things they cannot change.

[BananaRama]

5 hours ago, StevieRocks said:

Right! This classless, WHITE TRASH crone has an awfully high opinion of herself. I keep thinking, "What moneyed, sophisticated man would go anywhere near this crazy-eyed, cackling ape who lumbers around like a barnyard animal?" When she squawked at LuAnn that she HAD TO know the guest list (klass-ay), I thought, "Why? so you can run up on people and embarrass them and yourself like when you were barking in the <mayor's>? face at the Hamptons party about who was more BLIND--him or you?" Crazy Eyes has totally changed my view of people on the UES. I wouldn't expect to encounter a pig like Moaner in a hillbilly biker bar in Butcher Holler, KY, and here she is clomping around in NYC. Smh. 

So true.  Plus, Ramona as well as several of the Real Housewives (not just NYC) have married or been in relationships with some real losers.  These guys were supposed to be affluent and worthy of these women.  I will take a kind, respectful, loving bartender over a rich, cheating, misogynist every time.  I can't believe I am going to quote the Countess, but "Money can't buy you class."

[Bronzedog]

50 minutes ago, Crankybroad said:

So who keeps "Carole's" west coast dog? That really makes me dislike her, abandon one dog and get another?

The commercial for the upcoming animated movie "Kubo" came on right after the scene at Bethenny's with Carole's scratch on the face. My husband looked over and said, "I didn't know Carole had a kid." The character's scratch was even on the same side. If she did have a kid, would she leave it on the other side of the country once it was no longer little and cute?

Do love Sonja's recognition of Dorinda's shit stirring. 

I'm pretty sure the dog thinks of Carole as a visitor to its house, not it's owner.  As odd as the arrangement is, I think Carole once said NYC is no place for a dog, I'm sure the dog is fine without Carole as a constant in its life.  It bothers me much more to see Sonja favor her one dog over the one she got to replace her late dog and doesn't particularly like.

[Showthyme]

17 hours ago, tenativelyyours said:

 

Carole does herself no favors in the compare with Francis the Talking Mule when she starts gnawing on food.  Is she attempting to sustain herself or practice so she is ready if she is ever caught in a wolf trap and has to chew herself free?

 

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16 hours ago, Christi said:

I am convinced that LuAnne and Caitlyn Jenner are the same person.

 

 

7 hours ago, Kathcart said:

It's really revolting to watch. Somebody needs to call in the Chewing Whisperer to charge Carole a couple of grand to come to her house and teach her how to chew politely.

 

Giving me LIFE!

LuAnn latches on to her men with all of her might. I think that LuAnn expects her husband to stray. She strikes me as someone who would look the other way as long as she is being taken care of and isn't embarrassed in the process.

Bethenny's eyes show her age. 

Anyone like Carole's face more with the scratch marks? 

[Bebecat]

Everyone in NY has dogs! Carole just likes the "oddness" of having "her" dog in LA.

[zoeysmom]

8 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I'm pretty sure the dog thinks of Carole as a visitor to its house, not it's owner.  As odd as the arrangement is, I think Carole once said NYC is no place for a dog, I'm sure the dog is fine without Carole as a constant in its life.  It bothers me much more to see Sonja favor her one dog over the one she got to replace her late dog and doesn't particularly like.

I believe Sonja's jailed dog has issues with the cameras and crew being in the house.  It does look bad but she does need to protect her dog.

[thesupremediva1]

This whole season should just be titled "Misery Loves Company."

Luann is being kind of obnoxious, but damn if it's obvious that they're all seething with jealousy.

Carole is happy with Adam, which is the only reason she's being outwardly kind to Lu. Sonja is downright sick to her stomach that Tom is marrying Luann. I don't blame her - that's got to be embarrassing as hell. Tom throws her over after a decade of covert cavorting, and one of her besties - who is living in her home, mind you - swipes him out from underneath her and gets the cad to put a ring on it!

But Ramona, good ol' Ramona - she's sickly green with envy. Not over Tom - she can't even remember how many dates they went on - but she cannot stand to have the spotlight stolen. Not only has the guy chosen Lu, but now Lu has the engagement storyline I'm sure Ramona wanted for herself. There aren't enough vineyards in the world to quell Ramona's deep well of sadness.

And Bethenny, well, she has deemed Lu a ho-bag (which really makes me mad considering that's exactly what Kelly called her on Scary Island) and numerous other disgusting things, and in B's world, that means she has to take you down. The real world isn't following B's narrative and she's acting out. Hence these mystery texts, which obviously do nada to end this union. But if B's bleeding can't grab screentime, then her engagement-ending info will.

Jules is too wrapped up in her own crumbling marriage to get too invested in anything else. Her poor son crying on the phone destroyed me. Michael is a douche and a half.

Dorinda is glowingly happy for Lu because it means no one is talking about John.

Oh and after this ep, I determined that Carole and B look just as skinny as Jules. They might want to shut their traps about her weight. Bethenny might look like that because of her illness, but take away her fake boobs and she's a carbon copy of au natural Jules and Carole. They're sticks. I don't care how they got there, but they look like 90s models.

[Umbelina]

9 minutes ago, Showthyme said:

 

 

Giving me LIFE!

LuAnn latches on to her men with all of her might. I think that LuAnn expects her husband to stray. She strikes me as someone who would look the other way as long as she is being taken care of and isn't embarrassed in the process.

Bethenny's eyes show her age. 

Anyone like Carole's face more with the scratch marks? 

Yeah, I think Luann prefers open marriages, she's used to them.  She's a horn dog, so having a horn dog husband is fine by her.

She just wants a ring on it and someone else bringing home the bacon.

[Natalie68]

44 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

1 scene, filmed 8 years ago doesn't equate to Tom being thirsty, especially since he was interested in Ramona's friend, not Ramona, and Tom/Joannie  didn't end up dating. Is he a hound dog? Yes but that doesn't make him thirsty. I am not sure that the Facialist would know how many times he/Sonja hooked up because Sonja likes to embellish her life big time, so much so that it can be hard to separate fact from fiction with her......example.........Madonna at her fashion show! LOL Sonja's story has changed, Tom's hasn't.

Now for Ramona/Tom.......Ramona's numbers have changed every time she tells her story, it was up to 12 dates the last time she told the story but

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will fall to 4 - 5 dates this upcoming episode in August (ending 3 months before he starting dating Luann)

to Tom's face and most of those dates were group dates/outings/events according to Ramona, herself.

So, in short, both Sonja's/Ramona's stories have changed a number of times with how many dates/hookups they had with him growing each time. IMO, it is because they can't remember what they said the last time because they are embellishing at best or outright lying to support Bethenny's agenda against Luann. His story with each of them hasn't changed at all.

Thirsty to be on tv.  Not to necessarily get into their pants.  Facialist = joke, I wasn't being serious.

I don't see Bethenny as having an agenda, she is just going to call things as she sees them right or wrong offensive or not.  I doubt she and Carol (or anyone) planned to take Luann down.  Don't see her giving enough fucks to spend her time hatching plots.  In fact I think Tom's thirst matches Lu's who was begging to be filmed with BH when they were in the Hamptons.  I also can't necessarily agree that because Tom's story never changed it has to be true.  A good liar knows their story has to stay consistent.

[Bronzedog]

10 minutes ago, Bebecat said:

Everyone in NY has dogs! Carole just likes the "oddness" of having "her" dog in LA.

True.  Carole thinks it's cool to have a timeshare dog while the dog's thinking, "yeah, whatever stranger. Give me a treat."

[zoeysmom]

http://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/how-does-sonja-morgan-feel-about-luann-de-lesseps-fiance-tom-dagostino-today  Apparently, Sonja wishes Luann happiness but mad at Tom.  Sonja has the worst breast augmentation job ever.

[anonymiss]

So B just admitted it gives her "joy" to know that Tom has slept with other women in the group. She really is miserable and malicious.

Sonja's eyeliner was perfection for that incredible dress. She needs to go with that hair and makeup permanently. I did not find her dress anything but perfection on her and for the sexy partying-on-a-yacht evening occasion. I also liked Lu's summer halter dress. It showed off her nicely toned upper body--impressive at her age. All of the ladies cleaned up beautifully except for Carole and that unfortunate misshapen face, to use her phrase.

I also don't think Lu is acting crazy or overly happy for someone newly engaged at her engagement party of sorts. What is she supposed to act like? It's the spinsters in attendance whose behavior is unbecoming, IMO.

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[UsernameFatigue]

That People article was quite interesting. So Tom and Ramona went out a few times, but Tom doesn't consider it dating if there are other people there? What an odd little man. And his comment that he had to kiss a few frogs and toads to get to the countess is very telling. Ramona aside, Tom admits that he and Sonya have known each other for years. But now he is referring to her as a frog/toad. Nice. Not to mention that he is referring to two of Lu's friends and co-workers as frogs/toads.

Interesting as well that though he claims to have not seen the show, he knows three of the stars. Sonya is a long time friend. Dorinda is a good enough friend that she introduces Lu to him over the phone, in May. They don't connect over the next few months so he moves on to Ramona in August. That only leaves Beth as a single HW and I don't see that she would give him the time of day. Thank goodness he and Lu connected as he was pretty much out of single HWs. Jules dodged a bullet. I am glad that he and Lu hit if off so that the two of them can be taken off the market (at least for now) and give other singles in NYC a break.

[Talky Tina]

18 hours ago, izabella said:

 

18 hours ago, izabella said:

I apologize for the quote boxes, I still have problems posting from my phone since the site updates.  So sorry! 

After reading the comments here, I think I need to thin out my wardrobe because I have the halter dress Luann was wearing.  I like it so much I bought it in a solid and in a print. You all have me rethinking this dress.   I bought it in my tiny mall in my tiny Oregon town. 

Luann is reminding me of those girls in high school who just got their very first boyfriend.  They would say things like "he's my soul mate, I love him soooooo much and we're going to be together forever and ever".   The only difference is that they were 13 years old. 

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, Castina said:

Thanks!  I guess I didn't listen properly as I thought Bethenny was saying she needed it to fly.  And also never entered my mind Bethenny had to follow the same rules of the others :D

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Not a fan of Ramona but I wonder if she was eager to bring up the NY Post article on the show and use Luann as a scapgoat was so that it would make the edit and become part of the discussion to clear up the error the writer made in naming HER as friend with benefits.  I can understand if she doesn't want the misconception floating around that she'd been hooking up with him for a decade for a number of reasons, particularly that she was married during that time.  

The writer misconstruing it had nothing to do with Luann.  Luann wasn't quoted-it was a bold face lie by Ramona.  Bethenny was the one who put it out there to begin with.

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Completely reasonable. Who's knocking it? The man just interviewed this week that he did something bad and regrets it, so it's best to stop acting like your man so above it all and focus on "who cares".  I was simply responding to a post asking how Ramona could possibly know what really went down with Sonja and wondering if more about that will be revealed. Lu had been saying on Twitter they were lying prior to Tom's interview this week that he had done something he "deeply regrets". She has stopped with the "liar" stuff and now says she doesn't really care, which makes me wonder what will be revealed. 

Go over and look on First Looks-it is all revealed.

[ninjago]

Why did Ramona get those giant implants?  She's nearly 60.  Why does she want to be hauling those things around at this stage of her life?  The effect they have on her posture makes her look more matronly and frumpy, and she's obviously in great shape.  It just seems like such a hassle and adds to her overall lack of sophistication.

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[Castina]

3 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

The writer misconstruing it had nothing to do with Luann.  Luann wasn't quoted-it was a bold face lie by Ramona.  Bethenny was the one who put it out there to begin with.

I know.  I was just thinking Ramona isn't an idiot and has to know that so I wonder if she didn't blame Luann so she could get the article into the show and past the edit ie...she gets a bigger platform to set the record straight that she wasn't hooking up with the guy for the past decade.  The show was still in production so Ramona couldn't be certain at the time that the edit would make it abundantly clear Sonja was the booty call.  Even her saying to Sonja that she didn't want to be with someone who had their **** in her makes me think her motivation is to remove any possibility that she gets smeared with the musical beds story.  It was a pretty shitty thing to say to Sonja in front of everyone ON camera, the only implication can be that Sonja is dirty and gets around a lot.  

[motorcitymom65]

12 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

The writer misconstruing it had nothing to do with Luann.  Luann wasn't quoted-it was a bold face lie by Ramona.  Bethenny was the one who put it out there to begin with.

Go over and look on First Looks-it is all revealed.

I've been over there, but I don't believe it has all been revealed. We don't know the entire story at this point, even with the reveals that we have heard. 

[zoeysmom]

31 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

That People article was quite interesting. So Tom and Ramona went out a few times, but Tom doesn't consider it dating if there are other people there? What an odd little man. And his comment that he had to kiss a few frogs and toads to get to the countess is very telling. Ramona aside, Tom admits that he and Sonya have known each other for years. But now he is referring to her as a frog/toad. Nice. Not to mention that he is referring to two of Lu's friends and co-workers as frogs/toads.

Interesting as well that though he claims to have not seen the show, he knows three of the stars. Sonya is a long time friend. Dorinda is a good enough friend that she introduces Lu to him over the phone, in May. They don't connect over the next few months so he moves on to Ramona in August. That only leaves Beth as a single HW and I don't see that she would give him the time of day. Thank goodness he and Lu connected as he was pretty much out of single HWs. Jules dodged a bullet. I am glad that he and Lu hit if off so that the two of them can be taken off the market (at least for now) and give other singles in NYC a break.

I think you need to re-read the article.  Luann is the one talking about kissing toads-not Tom.

[zulualpha]

10 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

Who puts a scarecrow on a yacht? Oh that's just carol.

Lulu's starting to get obnoxious. You don't have to mention Tom, engagement and love every five minutes

Sonja and Ramona are stunned and pissed off that Tom ended up with Lulu.

Ramona, You don't get a piece of ass by taking your pants off and inviting the steward in to unzip your luggage...I bet the ramonster would be a whole lot of fun if she stop being such a pinhead.

Ramona is a train wreck.  I don't think I've ever seen a ho'wife implode to this degree.  Oh well, karma is a bitch!  She's making a complete and total ass out of herself and nobody deserves to have it chronicled on national television more than Ramona.  IMO she's been off the charts awful at least once to everyone who's ever been on the show.  I'd like to be able to scrape up some sympathy for her because her marriage of 20+ years crashed and burned but I can't.  I highly doubt she'll ever be able to convince another man to enter into a long term relationship with her.  She should have clung to Mario, cheating notwithstanding, if he would have her because she is a terrible person with mean thoughts and no filter.  She's the classic case of a person being basically good looking but who makes herself unattractive because of her toxic personality.    I feel sorry for her daughter who has to watch her mother's desperate skanky behavior on Bravo.  The way Ramona talked so that the driver could hear her hitting on him and then as the above poster says taking her pants off and having the steward unzip her suitcase, pulling on her shirt saying she couldn't wait to get out of her clothes, yikes!  Does it get anymore cringey than that?  Apparently it does because she made an ass out of herself again demanding the guest list from Luann like it was some kind of man menu.  Break out the baby oil and grease up Sonya and Ramona, they can wrestle for who gets first crack at the available men. 

[UsernameFatigue]

6 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I think you need to re-read the article.  Luann is the one talking about kissing toads-not Tom.

I am not sure which article you are referring to by am I talking about the People mag article linked on the previous page by poeticlicensed. The specific quote I am referring to is "All I can say is, along the way you have kiss a few frogs and toads to get to a Countess, D'Agostino adds."

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

Thirsty to be on tv.  Not to necessarily get into their pants.  Facialist = joke, I wasn't being serious.

I don't see Bethenny as having an agenda, she is just going to call things as she sees them right or wrong offensive or not.  I doubt she and Carol (or anyone) planned to take Luann down.  Don't see her giving enough fucks to spend her time hatching plots.  In fact I think Tom's thirst matches Lu's who was begging to be filmed with BH when they were in the Hamptons.  I also can't necessarily agree that because Tom's story never changed it has to be true.  A good liar knows their story has to stay consistent.

Back then, no one knew the show would become a hit or make it on the little know Bravo channel, it was just a pilot called Manhattan Moms, not the Real Housewives of NY and they did a lot of filming in local hot spots that included regular/real customers. I don't think he was interested in getting on camera, he was interested in hooking up with Joannie. LOL

Yes, Bethenny does have an agenda against Luann this season, a big agenda. She started out going after Sonja and when Luann defended Sonja, Bethenny set her sights on Luann instead. I also don't think Carole was part of Bethenny's plan but she went along with it anyway.