Season 18 Live Feed Discussion: Their Lives are Almost as Boring as Ours!

[ByaNose]

13 minutes ago, SiobhanJW said:

I had to step away from the feeds for most of last night and today- just because Day & Frank are driving me bananas. Day especially with the Tiffany paranoia. 

I just hope that this weeks HOH is individual. Yes, if they win their team can be safe, but this group thing is exactly what was annoying about the Battle of the Block, it's easy for someone to throw it and then the majority alliance stays in power. I just want people to start turning on each other. 

The teams have to last about Week 5, right? At least, that's when the buy back person comes back. I wish it would end earlier to but I get the impressions the teams around for a while. 

Edited July 5, 2016 by ByaNose

[Wings]

52 minutes ago, Deputy Deputy CoS said:

Day is paranoid but far from an "angry woman"

Anger presents in many ways.  I see it there under the surface.  She is controlling it because it didn't work for her last season. ;^)

I like it so far.  I am interested to see where it goes.  The 8 are not going to stay together; we will see alliances shift and change.   

I don't see the teams lasting for 2 more weeks, but maybe. I would prefer they move to individual this week, of course. 

[RedheadZombie]

Per Joker's -

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8:40 PM Paulie asks Corey what nationality he is. Corey: [pauses for a few moments] ...Caucasian?

It's like dumb and dumber.  Neither seem to know what nationality means.  Does Paulie have reason to believe Corey is not American?

[Katesus7]

I have missed the 'Day is an angry woman' thing, so I'm already happy. No desire to see what that might be about.

I am not about to debate anyone wanting to bail on this season, I get it. It's funny, I compare this season to the season where there were four vet "coaches" who were literally safe for the first chunk of the season, because they were totally not part of the game. Until they were, and started getting booted, and Dan got smoked by Ian in the end. I just don't see a conspiracy, I don't see the newbies being star struck, I don't see how Frank can do what Dan could not. Honestly, I have yet to see anything pointing to production keeping Frank at all. But that's just me. Anti conspiracy theory 'til the end.

For me, it's still week two....or three (poor Glenn). I'm still trying to figure out who I like, who is really aligned, and who is doing the most lying. This game is so very open to me. I'm just going to enjoy it for awhile.

Unless, Frank freaks out Day, and the two of them boot Tiff. Then it is ON!!!

Edited July 5, 2016 by Katesus7

[mooses]

5 minutes ago, Katesus7 said:

For me, it's still week two....or three (poor Glenn). I'm still trying to figure out who I like, who is really aligned, and who is doing the most lying. This game is so very open to me. I'm just going to enjoy it for awhile.

Unless, Frank freaks out Day, and the two of them boot Tiff. Then it is ON!!!

Yeah, things feel so up in the air season-wise, but these early weeks seem so long because of this big alliance happening.

The boys are up in the HOH right now realizing that the girls are going to get together - because Bridgette told Frank that they are. Thanks, Bridgette!

Edited July 5, 2016 by mooses

[Umbelina]

Did Tiffany just admit she's not really bi, but is lesbian and has a crush on Natalie?

[SiobhanJW]

2 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Did Tiffany just admit she's not really bi, but is lesbian and has a crush on Natalie?

I didn't catch the crush on Natalie part. But I did see Nicole ask her if she has a crush on Paulie, Tiffany said no because she's gay. She also implied that BB made her say she's Bi. I wonder if that'll ting Nicole's radar because Day told her yesterday that Tiffany told Day she has a crush on Paulie. 

[BK1978]

12 hours ago, NeelyOh said:

Just watched this.flashback. I understand why Nicole was upset. He got right up in her face for a couple of seconds while yelling really loudly. He was infuriated over them taking the pizza out too early. Called them assholes, jerk-offs, fucking idiots, jackasses, sneaky, and then said he'd get them put up on the block. All of this over taking the pizzas too early. Someone's got an anger issue....

I remember watching Frank yell at Tiffany and it was so obvious it was about getting caught and being called out by a female. Now he's on the warpath to get her out. No wonder Bridgette's little girl act is working on him.

Well his father did try to kill someone with a pair of scissors so I guess the apple does not fall far from the tree in that regard.

[mooses]

24 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Did Tiffany just admit she's not really bi, but is lesbian and has a crush on Natalie?

Nicole asked if she really liked Paulie, and she whispered something behind a flip flop. It's hard to make out much of what was said because you couldn't read her lips and they kept cutting in and out of fish. You could hear her say short things like, "because of my dad..." 

People think she implied that she's really gay, not bi, but the show made her lie about it. 

But you can't really hear much of anything so I have no idea if you can make up those specifics from the snippets heard. I thought she probably said she's really a lesbian or maybe she's in a relationship with a woman right now, but that's speculation.

[Umbelina]

Sounds like she says "gay" to me, and implies that for the show she ....

Also, BB was suspiciously quick on the fish during this.

[mooses]

23 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Sounds like she says "gay" to me, and implies that for the show she ....

Also, BB was suspiciously quick on the fish during this.

 

Yeah, I think I heard "gay" too. But the rest, I'm not positive (just because I can't understand what she's saying between fish - and what her dad has to do with it). I don't doubt CBS would do that, though. 

Man, Michelle can't even fake like she's having a good time tonight. I think because Bronte/Natalie/Bridgette are hanging out with the girls and they are having some serious girl talk.

ETA: Michelle told Tiffany she's feeling super insecure. I kind of feel bad for her because that's probably how I'd feel there.

Edited July 5, 2016 by mooses

[Umbelina]

Why would BB care if they DIDN'T tell her to say she was bi?  I mean seriously, that was a lot of fish rapidly.  That kind of sucks if they made her do that.

[SiobhanJW]

37 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Why would BB care if they DIDN'T tell her to say she was bi?  I mean seriously, that was a lot of fish rapidly.  That kind of sucks if they made her do that.

I think they make them say things that aren't true sometimes. Paul was basically saying he was a HUGE BB fan, etc. And that turned out to be untrue. 

[Nashville]

12 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Day usually has such a great read on things but yea she just doesn't know how to play. She has good plans sometimes but she lets her paranoia get the best of her, doesn't let anything sit, and doesn't know how to execute.

I don't think Day has ever spent enough time in the House for us to get an accurate read on what is or isn't her "usual" MO; after all, the end of this next eviction vote episode will officially set a new high-water mark for Day's presence in the BB House in ANY season.  So far all I've seen out of Day is a slightly-delayed replay of her first season - demanding absolute loyalty from everyone, giving none in return, and picking an individual HG as the primary target for her overplayed wrath.  And I think the only reason for the delay in her going full-blown Day wasn't even strategic, but rather confusion and concern as to how the Team dynamic and the BBRK wrinkle were going to play into things.

 

9 hours ago, wings707 said:

Of course she is paranoid, you immatue, moron, mean girls! You are being terrible to her!  And you have Frank thinking she is out to get him and that is not true.  

The scene in the bathroom almost made ME cry for her.  Be strategic but it is not necessary to be mean.  The best strategists are typically very nice to everyone.  It is a cover their ass move and a smart one. 

Day has become one of my most disliked HGs.  

Errr, Da - It isn't paranoia if someone is actually out to get you.  And you are definitely out to get Tiff - for, so far as I can tell, absolutely no reason whatsoever other than possibly her relation to Vanessa.

 

1 hour ago, Umbelina said:

Sounds like she says "gay" to me

1. Tiff had asked Nicole about her relationship with Corey, and Nicole had responded with her now-standard response of something to the effect of "he's cute and all, but it's not like that."
2. Nicole then in turn put the same question back to Tiff, asking something like "What about you and Paulie?"
3. After some serious hemming and hawing, beating around the bush, and making some supposed-to-be-significant expressions and such - none of which Nicole was picking up on, and said as much - Tiff held a hat and a flipflop on either side of her mouth and whispered something that sounded a LOT to me like, "I like chicks".

Could be wrong, but that's what it sounded like to me.

[brdwygurl]

6 hours ago, Callaphera said:

I'm just gonna blame it on Frank. Because I can and I feel like it. I'm blaming it on Frank and his mist gas.

HA!  

 Youse guys are the reason I can't quit this show.   Because even when it's boring and predictable..... You all bring the snark and the wit, and entertain the hell outta me.

Who needs (insert light summer reading of choice).... My "beach read" is these forums

[Nashville]

Oh, forgot this one before - from Joker's:

Mon 4:49 PM BBT  Bridgette asks what to do about 'Michelle thing.' Frank says nothing. Bridgette trying to get along with her but Michelle keeps being petty. Frank says he won't let Michelle go after her. Frank says he would take Bridgette all the way to end. Bridgette feels that way too, but she's worried Frank is just so "effing good" at the game. Frank says "don't look at me as a threat, look at me as a tool."

 

Don't worry, Frank. 

I, for one, will ALWAYS look at you as a tool.

[mooses]

From Joker's:

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 DaVonne says that voting Victor out is not what is best for her game, but she will do it for Paulie. And then when she is HOH she is going to get rid of either Frank or Tiffany and the rest of the house better back her the way she backed Nicole and Paulie.

So...she really thinks getting rid of Tiffany is best for her game? Or is it Bronte? 

I think she needs to take a deep breath and reevaluate her situation. She's got the seeds planted, but needs patience to let them grow!

Edited July 5, 2016 by mooses

[RCharter]

5 hours ago, wings707 said:

Anger presents in many ways.  I see it there under the surface.  She is controlling it because it didn't work for her last season. ;^)

I like it so far.  I am interested to see where it goes.  The 8 are not going to stay together; we will see alliances shift and change.   

I don't see the teams lasting for 2 more weeks, but maybe. I would prefer they move to individual this week, of course. 

I don't know, you seem much more angry about Day than she is about anyone else.  

But, then again, I think its a little OTT to say that you could see Day ending up in prison over this anger that she hasn't even shown.  

However, I suspect we will agree to disagree on the subject.  

[Wings]

1 hour ago, RCharter said:

I don't know, you seem much more angry about Day than she is about anyone else.  

But, then again, I think its a little OTT to say that you could see Day ending up in prison over this anger that she hasn't even shown.  

However, I suspect we will agree to disagree on the subject.  

I can see her in the cast on that show, not in prison!  

I am not angry at all.  :^)  Just making observations.  

Edited July 5, 2016 by wings707

[J.D.]

What a let down!  After reading multiple post about this big rant Frank allegedly went on, I went to the flashback to see it for myself and it was nothing more than him fake yelling about pizza while throwing out a smile in between to let them know he's only acting.  Not that I want anybody to be in physical harms way; but still, this season has been so boring thus far, that I was looking forward to someone besides Day having an angry, irrational outburst.  Turns out he was just play fighting.  :/

Oh well,.... can't wait till all the throwaways are evicted and the game starts getting real.  

Edited July 5, 2016 by J.D.

[Wings]

42 minutes ago, J.D. said:

What a let down!  After reading multiple post about this big rant Frank allegedly went on, I went to the flashback to see it for myself and it was nothing more than him fake yelling about pizza while throwing out a smile in between to let them know he's only acting.  Not that I want anybody to be in physical harms way; but still, this season has been so boring thus far, that I would looking forward to someone besides Day having an angry, irrational outburst.  Turns out he was just play fighting.  :/

Oh well,.... can't wait till all the throwaways are evicted and the game starts getting real.  

I did the same thing and came to the same conclusion.  Everyone sees things through their own filter/bias.  Nicole was smiling and laughing through it all.  Frank was being silly.  

To brighten everyone's morning.  Comedic gold from Feedster. 

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1:00 AM BBT: Bronte tells Bridgette that even if they managed to get out Corey, James, Frank, or Paulie out, the remaining boys would take them all out immediately. Bronte adds that she believes James, Frank, Corey, Paulie, and Nicole are in a final five deal. Bronte tells her that she doesn’t know how to get into that group, but says that she could try letting Frank run her HOH in exchange for keeping her safe the following week.

Edited July 5, 2016 by wings707

[Sara2009]

8 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Per Joker's -

It's like dumb and dumber.  Neither seem to know what nationality means.  Does Paulie have reason to believe Corey is not American?

I think Paulie has nationality confused with heritage. I've seen people make that mistake quite often unfortunately.

[peachmangosteen]

11 hours ago, mooses said:

I think this season has potential - once we get it down to players that actually want to play. But so many in there are not just clueless, but just there to have a fun summer! 

I actually disagree with this. IMO every person in there is trying to play (minus maybe James), which is actually a step up from a lot of reason seasons. And you would think the fact that everyone's playing would make for an interesting season, but the twists make it so half the house can just steam roll the other half and no one on the bottom has a chance of changing the game so it's boring as hell.

11 hours ago, SiobhanJW said:

I just hope that this weeks HOH is individual. Yes, if they win their team can be safe ...

I wish they would at least do this. At least then Bronte/Natalie/Bridgette/Tiffany would have a chance to win and change things up.

[Ceeg]

I'm catching up right now, and BB/CBS made Tiffany say she was bi when she really isn't? What the actual fuck?

[MV007]

I'm not ready to call Tiffany a victim of Day's paranoia.  I think Tiffany is a loose cannon and in a season where the first few weeks have never been easier for an alliance its alarming that she's been a little unhinged at the slightest hint of dysfunction.  It's easy to say now that Tiffany's paranoia is well founded but it was self fulfilling prophecy.  Nobody was gunning for her a week ago aside from Victor who was powerless.  Its like a blind squirrel finding a nut.  If you rant and rave about someone being out to get you in this game, sooner or later, someone will be out to get you.

She cried and whined so much that her own alliance decided to actively keep little personal jabs away from her so she didn't freak out.  This was her downfall.  This is why Day and Frank don't trust her.  She can't keep it together in the face of adversity.  At least they can't trust her to help them in the face of adversity.    

Edited July 5, 2016 by MV007

[Ceeg]

That's not true though. A day or two after the feeds were turned on, James and Day were already talking about how they didn't trust Tiffany because she was identical to Vanessa. If Tiffany was in a house, with no connection to any past player, she would have never been on anyone's radar. Other girls in the house have done exactly what Tiffany has done x10, but no one bats an eye. Day has been planting anti-Tiffany seeds for over a week, because of Vanessa and also because of Audrey (Tiffany has talked about how she's good friends with Audrey, and Audrey is almost directly responsible for Day's eviction last season). Tiffany never stood a chance no matter what she did or didn't do, having to play one season after Vanessa and play with people who evicted because of Vanessa.

[peachmangosteen]

9 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

I'm catching up right now, and BB/CBS made Tiffany say she was bi when she really isn't? What the actual fuck?

Yea that's so bizarre to me. Why would they care? I don't get it. I guess maybe they were trying to appear even more diverse by having bisexual people or something.

7 minutes ago, MV007 said:

She cried and whined so much that her own alliance decided to actively keep little personal jabs away from her so she didn't freak out.  This was her downfall.

Nicole whines and whines and whines and no one seems to care.

Like @Ceeg said, Tiffany never had a chance in this particular season. I guess they cast her because they thought there'd be drama in Day/James vs. Tiffany but it hasn't produced anything fun or interesting yet.

[jenrising]

9 minutes ago, MV007 said:

I'm not ready to call Tiffany a victim of Day's paranoia.  I think Tiffany is a loose cannon and in a season where the first few weeks have never been easier for an alliance its alarming that she's been a little unhinged at the slightest hint of dysfunction.  It's easy to say now that Tiffany's paranoia is well founded but it was self fulfilling prophecy.  Nobody was gunning for her a week ago aside from Victor who was powerless.  Its like a blind squirrel finding a nut.  If you rant and rave about someone being out to get you in this game, sooner or later, someone will be out to get you.

She cried and whined so much that her own alliance decided to actively keep little personal jabs away from her so she didn't freak out.  This was her downfall.    

Totally agree. She's been freaking out about everything, which is going to make any alliance nervous. I certainly wouldn't feel confident in her ability to stick to a plan, or keep her mouth shut when it seems anything might send her spinning out. 

[peachmangosteen]

I bring up Nicole again with regards to that. Nicole was freaking out over Victor nomming her for RK and no one in the alliance decided she had to be cut for it. She whines about being HOH (Which is so fucking laughable. I would not be able to stand that shit.) and no one thinks she's too emotional.

The fact that Tiffany is Vanessa's sister and she's in a season with two people who played with Vanessa made it so that it didn't matter what Tiffany did, she was always going to be a target.

And in some ways I don't really blame the people who know Vanessa's game for being leery of Tiffany. They are virtually twins so I'm not surprised that people would be worried that they might play the same way, too. But Tiffany is not the threat Vanessa was at all (yet at least) but Day is just too paranoid to see it.

[Ceeg]

Nicole has been freaking out about everything since the feeds came on about everything. Michelle has had an emotional breakdown about being too fat. Day flipped out in the DR (who knows what she did before the feeds came on) when her team wasn't winning those comps the first week. Zakiyah is in a showmance and gets jealous over any girl even looking at Paulie for more than 2 seconds. And yet, I haven't heard any of Frank and Co talk about targeting any of those four any time soon. Tiffany is an easy scapegoat because Vanessa is fresh in everyone's minds and Tiffany looks and sounds just like her.

[peachmangosteen]

Good point with the other examples. Plus, Frank has snapped at people twice and no one gives a shit.

3 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

Tiffany is an easy scapegoat because Vanessa is fresh in everyone's minds and Tiffany looks and sounds just like her.

And every season someone has to be the scapegoat and receive all the ire. It's usually a woman anyway and add in the Vanessa angle and it's not surprising that Tiffany became this season's scapegoat.

Edited July 5, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

I'm catching up right now, and BB/CBS made Tiffany say she was bi when she really isn't? What the actual fuck?

I think BB lies all the time about contestants (remember the truth about one twin's 'honors' last year?) but I kind of wonder if Tiffany herself chose to present as bi and now is telling Nicole BB asked her to.  It just seems more strategic to not close the door on leading some dumb male around who's smitten with you, before even meeting the cast.  

Or maybe Tiffany had concerns about her work associates or her father not being thrilled with her going on the show quite as out and proud as Vanessa.  

[SiobhanJW]

I know Big Brother isn't fair. But Tiffany had no fighting chance. Sucks. 

She talks so someone outside of her alliance, she's scheming. She sits in a room by herself she's creepy. The girl can't win. 

Frank yells at Nicole the other night and makes her cry, but that's okay she isn't over reacting. Does the same thing to Tiff TWICE a few days earlier, she's dramatic and a loose cannon. Give me a break. 

Edited July 5, 2016 by SiobhanJW

[ByaNose]

The part of the feeds I saw was when Corey was in bed next to Frank who was sleeping. Paulie was on the couch talke mostly BS with Corey. I'm not even really sure who is a part of the 8 pack. Corey or Paulie? I think Frank has a Final 2 with everyone so it was proabably best that he was sleeping or pretending to be sleeping. LOL!!!

[peachmangosteen]

1 minute ago, Winston9-DT3 said:

I think BB lies all the time about contestants (remember the truth about one twin's 'honors' last year?)

I don't think BB was trying to present one of the twins as an honors student or whatever. I think some poster just thought one of them was. I don't even think it was a thing in the house at all.

1 minute ago, ByaNose said:

I'm not even really sure who is a part of the 8 pack. Corey or Paulie?

Corey. Paulie is not in the alliance but he thinks he is lol.

[Ceeg]

4 minutes ago, Winston9-DT3 said:

I think BB lies all the time about contestants (remember the truth about one twin's 'honors' last year?) but I kind of wonder if Tiffany herself chose to present as bi and now is telling Nicole BB asked her to.  It just seems more strategic to not close the door on leading some dumb male around who's smitten with you, before even meeting the cast.  

Or maybe Tiffany had concerns about her work associates or her father not being thrilled with her going on the show quite as out and proud as Vanessa.  

But she's still "out and proud" either way. In her intro she literally said she's dated girls. Whether she dates them exclusively or not shouldn't really matter, as far as being out goes.

Like a week ago, I thought it was really odd that it went to fish every time Tiffany would even hint about talking about her romantic life. It also goes to fish every time she's with Natalie and Natalie is attempting to flirt. Idk, but something about it always struck me as odd, and now finding out that Tiffany said BB told her to present as bi makes me really uncomfortable. It's one thing for BB to embellish someone's academic awards. It's another to straight up tell a contestant to identify with a sexuality they don't identify with.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:

I don't think BB was trying to present one of the twins as an honors student or whatever. I think some poster just thought one of them was. I don't even think it was a thing in the house at all.

I don't think it was mentioned in the house at all but I recall the twin referring to herself as an honors student in her own televised intro, and it was also on the BB web site as part of her bio, I believe.  They also trumped up some careers.  I wouldn't call Austin a pro wrestler when he had a long-past, very short, failed stint at that, e.g.  

Speaking of... Am I recalling wrong or on the broadcast don't they have a chiron labeling Victor a 'gym owner'?  He's some mid-level manager at an LA Fitness.  As soon as I saw his I thought, "Must be yet another personal trainer they needed to present as something more."  

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But she's still "out and proud" either way. In her intro she literally said she's dated girls. Whether she dates them exclusively or not shouldn't really matter, as far as being out goes.

I personally agree, but I feel like some people, especially older people like her father and her students' parents, might feel someone who just floats both ways and presents herself as ambiguous might be somewhat less controversial, maybe.  I don't know, just a thought.  It probably was BB and I agree, it's weird and wrong.  Though I think all the little lies are weird and wrong, including calling yourself an honors student or a pro wrestler.  Even Vanessa was kind of a has-been in the pro poker world, wasn't she?  Though at least it was probably still her actual profession.  

Edited July 5, 2016 by Guest

[MV007]

I would freely admit that Vanessa being Tiffany's sister hurts Tiffany.  But it also doesn't help when you feed into those similarities.  She has cried multiple times when confronted with uncomfortable truths about the game.  I do agree that Nicole whines just as much if not more but she hasn't physically cried and broken down multiple times and she's never wavered in her allegiance.  Nicole's whining has had to do with the other side of the house, the enemy, so to speak.  Tiffany has cried with regard to actions Frank has done or other alliance members.  It's alot easier to listen to someone complain about being worried about what the other side will do compared to listening to someone complain about what an alliance member might do.  And Frank wasn't actively gunning for Tiffany until she started doubting him.

And these other examples aren't game related or known to most of the houseguests.  Michelle's breakdown about being fat doesn't effect the game.  Day flipping out in the DR is unknown to the players.  Zakiyah's jealousy is subtle its not in your face and we only pick up on it from watching her 24/7.  I don't think the other players see it that way.  On the other hand, Tiffany constantly worrying about her alliance members allegiances does concern the game.  

Tiffany and Frank do not get along.  That much is clear and Frank has driven that bus right over Tiffany.  But if Tiffany kept her cool and decided not to confront Frank or attempt to manipulate him with tears then her relation to Vanessa wouldn't be an issue imo.

[SiobhanJW]

1 hour ago, MV007 said:

I would freely admit that Vanessa being Tiffany's sister hurts Tiffany.  But it also doesn't help when you feed into those similarities.  She has cried multiple times when confronted with uncomfortable truths about the game.  I do agree that Nicole whines just as much if not more but she hasn't physically cried and broken down multiple times and she's never wavered in her allegiance.  Nicole's whining has had to do with the other side of the house, the enemy, so to speak.  Tiffany has cried with regard to actions Frank has done or other alliance members.  It's alot easier to listen to someone complain about being worried about what the other side will do compared to listening to someone complain about what an alliance member might do.  And Frank wasn't actively gunning for Tiffany until she started doubting him.

And these other examples aren't game related or known to most of the houseguests.  Michelle's breakdown about being fat doesn't effect the game.  Day flipping out in the DR is unknown to the players.  Zakiyah's jealousy is subtle its not in your face and we only pick up on it from watching her 24/7.  I don't think the other players see it that way.  On the other hand, Tiffany constantly worrying about her alliance members allegiances does concern the game.  

Tiffany and Frank do not get along.  That much is clear and Frank has driven that bus right over Tiffany.  But if Tiffany kept her cool and decided not to confront Frank or attempt to manipulate him with tears then her relation to Vanessa wouldn't be an issue imo.

I think it wouldn't of mattered if Tiffany didn't cry or not. Day has been planing seeds and talking about her since those feeds turned on. Granted we don't know what went down in the house while the feeds were off. But Day has flamed those little sparks, a lot of Tiffany's paranoia is stemmed from Day. A comment here or there, her telling Tiffany that James is after her when he wasn't. Frank screamed at Nicole & James the other day, which made Nicole cry, but Nicole being upset about it didn't equal her wanting Frank out. But when Tiffany was upset with him it equaled her wanting him out. The seeds that Day has dropped about Tiffany to every single alliance member has made them all wary of her. Anything Tiff does, sneeze, breathe, cough, they all just start talking about her like she's running around the house all paranoid. She walked into a room the other day, and the whole alliance changed the subject, then Frank lied about her not going up. She caught on to both of those things, I wouldn't blame her for being paranoid. 

The craziest thing is that Tiffany should of been a weapon/asset for Day. But she is holding a grudge for whatever she thinks Vanessa did to her on Tiffany. If anyone was going to hold a grudge, you would think it would be James. 

I think that Vanessa's relation to Tiffany was always going to be an issue. Her not crying wouldn't of changed that. They would just find another way to compare her to Vanessa. 

If I was Nicole, what Day said about the DR hinting about Tiffany and then saying that Tiffany has a crush on Paulie, both being squashed within 24 hours would give me red-flags. I think Nicole asked Tiffany on purpose, disguising it as "girl talk" but really wanted to know if it was true or not. With Tiffany saying no, i'm actually gay I don't have a thing for Paulie & the Day being made to apologize for the DR comment, I wouldn't be surprised if Nicole is putting this stuff together. Especially since she said to Day that she DOESN'T think that Tiffany is after her or any of them AT ALL. And then she proceeded to tell those stories. 

This is Big Brother, the game isn't fair. And this is what happens in the game. I get that. But I just don't think Tiffany had a shot in hell. 

Edited July 5, 2016 by SiobhanJW

[TimWil]

I think Tiffany being presented as bi was a blatantly cynical attempt by Grodner to increase the odds that she would use her sexuality to end up in a flirtmance/showmance/whatever. Like Woody Allen once said "Being bisexual doubles your chances of a date on Saturday nights." 

[ByaNose]

2 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I don't think BB was trying to present one of the twins as an honors student or whatever. I think some poster just thought one of them was. I don't even think it was a thing in the house at all.

Corey. Paulie is not in the alliance but he thinks he is lol.

So he's sort of like the Caleb of the season. Caleb worked with the Hit Men (or whatever the larger alliance was) and, wasn't really apart of it. From what I recall, Paulie just wasn't in the room at the right time. He might have been the 8 Pack had he been there....I'm guessing....maybe not.......LOL!!!

[gunderda]

2 hours ago, Winston9-DT3 said:

 

Speaking of... Am I recalling wrong or on the broadcast don't they have a chiron labeling Victor a 'gym owner'?  He's some mid-level manager at an LA Fitness.  As soon as I saw his I thought, "Must be yet another personal trainer they needed to present as something more."  

 

victor did indeed say last night that he's a personal trainer at a gym where he is employed.  I'll have to pay more attention when victor is shown on the next episode. (but natalie did say he's a very very good trainer)

[Wings]

Good post, SiobhanJW.  I want to think Nicole is putting this together.  

[SiobhanJW]

12 minutes ago, wings707 said:

Good post, SiobhanJW.  I want to think Nicole is putting this together.  

Thanks! :) 

I also forgot to mention, last week when Paulie was on the block, he kept seeking reassurance from The Eight Pack that they weren't lying to him & that he was actually safe. He was clearly nervous the whole time, you could tell from his body language. The fact that Tiffany asks a couple of people what Victor is saying, and asking for reassurance that she is safe, is just COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE, AND HOW DARE SHE. Is just so ridiculous to me. Any one of them would be asking the exact same thing. 

Edited July 5, 2016 by SiobhanJW

[Nashville]

3 hours ago, Ceeg said:

I'm catching up right now, and BB/CBS made Tiffany say she was bi when she really isn't? What the actual fuck?

 

3 hours ago, Ceeg said:

and now finding out that Tiffany said BB told her to present as bi makes me really uncomfortable. It's one thing for BB to embellish someone's academic awards. It's another to straight up tell a contestant to identify with a sexuality they don't identify with.

 

1 hour ago, TimWil said:

I think Tiffany being presented as bi was a blatantly cynical attempt by Grodner to increase the odds that she would use her sexuality to end up in a flirtmance/showmance/whatever. Like Woody Allen once said "Being bisexual doubles your chances of a date on Saturday nights." 

 

Guess I'm cynical as well.  My first thought when the bi misrepresentation first started coming into question was, "Well, the show already had gay and transgender covered - guess Grodner decided to take a shot at the trifecta."  :P

[Wings]

Day is working it hard this morning.  From Feedster.   

Quote

Tiffany: People are paranoid about why you all got picked to go into the DR, think you're Team America. Day: I heard it was just you. #BB18

She is planting doubts about Frank, too. 

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Day to Nicole: Did you hear him (Frank) say last night that he was gonna try to bring back Chill Town with Corey? #BB18

If he said that I have not read it this morning.  I have to believe Nic will either bring this up to Frank or see that Day's strategy is to bring others down so she can rise.  That rarely works; it is transparent and a poor way to garner favor from others, which is needed to win. 

 

ETA.  Frank has been spending too much time with his allies.  He is missing what is going on in the house. 

Edited July 5, 2016 by wings707

[Stinamaia]

13 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

 

I think Day has assessed Tiffany correctly. It may be somewhat influenced by her views about Vanessa, but a lot of it is her observation of Tiffany in the game.  Tiffany is part of the main alliance, but she is also putting together a counter alliance. That is dangerous for Day's game.  Day sees Frank doing the same thing, and she doesn't like him for the same reason.  How Day reacts to her observations may not be the best game play, but her observations are not irrational by any means, and it is not irrational to want both of them gone.  She probably shouldn't be so overt, but demonization the person you want gone has been part and parcel of this game. It's not ever pretty to watch no mater how many houseguests take part.

I don't get the extreme Day dislike nor to I get the extreme Tiffany love.  I think both may be holdovers from last season.  

[MV007]

Even if you concede that Dayvonne was always going to go after Tiffany due to her relation to Vanessa, I still don't buy the idea that Tiffany never had a chance.  She helped blindside the people who were targeting the vets.  She could have come to same conclusions that you have.  That her sister was seen as responsible or complicit in Day's previous ouster and she should have been wary to work with Day.  But she didn't do that.  She had a chance and she still has a chance.  It just takes more then sitting back and relying on an 8 person alliance and crying anytime something doesn't go your way.

[SiobhanJW]

15 minutes ago, Stinamaia said:

I think Day has assessed Tiffany correctly. It may be somewhat influenced by her views about Vanessa, but a lot of it is her observation of Tiffany in the game.  Tiffany is part of the main alliance, but she is also putting together a counter alliance. That is dangerous for Day's game.  Day sees Frank doing the same thing, and she doesn't like him for the same reason.  How Day reacts to her observations may not be the best game play, but her observations are not irrational by any means, and it is not irrational to want both of them gone.  She probably shouldn't be so overt, but demonization the person you want gone has been part and parcel of this game. It's not ever pretty to watch no mater how many houseguests take part.

I don't get the extreme Day dislike nor to I get the extreme Tiffany love.  I think both may be holdovers from last season.  

Tiffany wasn't putting any sort of counter alliance when Day started her Anti-Tiffany brigade. She has been doing this from the beginning. 

Day disappointed me last season, but I gave her a second chance this season since I hoped that she would of learned from her mistakes but in my opinion she hasn't. She's spreading herself way to thin and it's all going to bite her. But to be fair, I don't think anyone is really playing a stellar game so far. Hopefully once we get down in the Jury phase, it'll start getting more ruthless. 

Edited July 5, 2016 by SiobhanJW

[mooses]

I mean, Tiffany hasn't even talked about targeting Day in private. And she pretty much keeps Day in the loop with most of her thinking (which are mostly concerning a girl alliance). There's no doubt that Day has a personal agenda stemming from last season, which kind of stinks. Nicole was suspicious of Paulie just because he's Cody's brother - and that would actually make more sense because he is playing the exact same game and I think he'll make it far. 

On another note - last night Tiffany/Michelle were talking while James hid in the phone booth. He was there for like 20 minutes - enough for Michelle and Tiffany to have quick game talk about Frank/The Girls. Not sure if he heard anything. And after he left, they both said that his schtick is getting old.

During this conversation, Tiffany was trying to be funny (it's clear she got Vanessa's sense of humor along with her voice) and put on a beanie to make Michelle laugh. Michelle gave her the blankest stare.

Tiff: "...my sister?" 

Michelle "Oh. I wasn't really a fan of last season. No offense." (Awkward!)

So now I get why she seems to love some Frank, Paulie and Nicole. And, from her social media, it seems like she was obsessed with them their seasons.

Edited July 5, 2016 by mooses