S08.E09: December: Berkshires County

[zoeysmom]

6 hours ago, WireWrap said:

The news about TG so early only confirms my suspicions about Bethenny's OTT anger at Sonja during filming, that she knew, via Ramona, that Peter had asked Sonja to be the face of TG and that she had agreed to do it shortly after the reunion was filmed. Sonja used Quincy as her reason that she didn't go to the BD party at Bethenny's as you said but Ramona revealed that she was not invited to it to begin with. Sonja would not have had Quincy the whole summer, she would have spent some time with her father as well, so again, the fact that she had no contact with Bethenny tells me that there were problems, big problems, shortly after the reunion was filmed. Bethenny went so far as to say that she had no contact with Sonja at all during the summer, that she hadn't even spoken to her let alone seen/spent time with her even though Bethenny saw/spent time with every single returning HW.

As for the contract issue, I believe that I have read that Bethenny was upset that Luann and Sonja used her name and her contract as part of their contract negotiations, no one is allowed to use her for anything, even getting a bigger paycheck from Bravo. I can see Ramona and Luann using the fact that they are the only 2 originals that have been with the show continuously since the beginning and that they deserve an amount equal to or closer to Bethenny's level than not and I can also see Sonja pointing out that she has been on the show longer than Bethenny has been as well to up her paycheck. I agree, I don't think any of them are hurting in the payday department but that isn't the point, their long term tenure on the show is.

I agree that Bethenny dislikes the fact that Luann and Sonja get the cameras to themselves, which cuts down on her camera time, LOL, and I agree that her info is second hand from at least 1 untrustworthy source (Ramona) and that most of her info is second hand as well. If Bethenny or production didn't tell Dorinda to not invite/disinvite Sonja then Dorinda knew well enough that having Sonja at the sleepover = no Bethenny which would result in very little footage of the sleepover making it past editing, which would reduce her own camera time. After all, it is all about the camera time for these women.  

Here is what Sonja had to say about the invite/non-invite and lack of contact but not invitations over the summer:  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/sonja-morgan/sonja-morgan-you-could-cut-the  When I went back to read Sonja's blogs I noticed she made the same observations you have about Ramona and Dorinda never going to each others' homes.  If Bethenny was mad maybe it had to do with Sonja rejecting her offers to visit her in the Hamptons.  We now know Dorinda and John only saw her once and she acted as if they spent the summer in the Hamptons.(Drunk and disorderly to boot.)

[WireWrap]

9 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Here is what Sonja had to say about the invite/non-invite and lack of contact but not invitations over the summer:  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/sonja-morgan/sonja-morgan-you-could-cut-the  When I went back to read Sonja's blogs I noticed she made the same observations you have about Ramona and Dorinda never going to each others' homes.  If Bethenny was mad maybe it had to do with Sonja rejecting her offers to visit her in the Hamptons.  We now know Dorinda and John only saw her once and she acted as if they spent the summer in the Hamptons.(Drunk and disorderly to boot.)

Sorry, I just don't buy it, I really don't. First, I don't believe that Quincy spent the entire summer with Sonja either, she has a father she spends time with as well, so Sonja would have had free time. Second, Bethenny said that she didn't speak with Sonja at all during the summer, not just that she didn't "see" her but that she didn't speak with her either. Third, Ramona called Sonja out on the claim that she was invited to Bethenny's party but couldn't go because of Quincy and Sonja didn't dispute it on camera. It is hard to figure out who is shading the truth here, Bethenny gets questionable info second hand, Ramona leaves out key details/lies and as for Sonja, this is a woman that insists that Madonna was at her fashion show and that she had P Diddy on "her" yacht. I go with Sonja shading it here, both Ramona and Bethenny say she wasn't invited. Fourth, I also don't see Bethenny getting upset that Sonja couldn't/wouldn't visit her over the summer if it was because of Quincy, 1 thing about Bethenny is that she puts Bryn before everyone else and wouldn't get upset if Sonja, or any other HW with minor kids, did the same.

Heck, even Sonja/Ramona admit that they really didn't keep in touch with each other before Sonja joined the show. At best, I believe that Sonja, Ramona, Luann and Dorinda ( even Jill) were "friendly" with each other but not close "friends" despite the BS they try to sell us now. LOL

[NewDigs]

14 hours ago, NewDigs said:

OhMyGod the blog.

Gee, I wonder who Dorinda was referring to as "Greedo and JarJar Blinks".

Go Dorinda!

 

10 hours ago, Christi said:

Ok....I cant figure out who she is referring to...

I'm assuming Betthhenny and Ramona. A bounty hunter and a hapless unpopular "politician". ("Blinks"was the perfect touch, imho)

I guess Doris is a Star Wars fan. 

[zoeysmom]

Bethenny's birthday party was in November so it had nothing to do with the summer.  Sonja makes it sound as if there were many invitations to Bethenny's house over the summer.  I think she was invited once and turned it down.  Bethenny is also not terribly straightforward as smackdab in the middle of the summer was the Reunion filming.  So she did speak with Sonja, went out to dinner with her.  So she saw Sonja. In mid-to late June Bethenny went on the 100 women cruise to the Galapagos with Carole, she obviously was in a no RHONY zone during the crossover with RHOBH.  I don't think Quincy does 50/50 custody with her parents.  Sonja was in St. Tropez for two weeks in late July and early August and then onto Nantucket.  My guess is Quincy was with her father. 

I believe Bethenny's party, much like a LVP tea, is a scheduled production shoot.  No way on the earth would Bethenny have invited John.  I think this is one example where production used Sonja's excuse as a way to humiliate her via Ramona.  Bethenny was quick to say the sentiments Eamona conveyed weren't hers regarding Sonja.  I also think it is bizarre, Ramona goes on about Sonja's summertime behavior being so appalling and I am not seeing any real evidence of disgraceful behavior. 

Edited June 8, 2016 by zoeysmom

[zoeysmom]

This might explain additional anger Bethenny has towards Luann.  http://hamptons-magazine.com/luann-de-lesseps-on-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-her-wedding-and-the-hamptons  A new infused vodka line coming out.  Luann's businesses don't fail.  So I guess it will be relegated to the vanity category.  One thing for certain, Luann was a Countess long before Bethenny was a Skinnygirl. 

[NewDigs]

Bethy needs to get over herself. I don't know why she gets so worked up over these things. She's obviously taken her brand the furthest and the others don't strike me as any kind of real competition.

Seems like alot these Ho broads have launched some kind of liquor project. With varying degrees of success. Teresa, Brandi, Ramona, LVP...

Some reviews

Maybe she's so insecure because her SG stuff is usually reviewed as crap.

Edited June 8, 2016 by NewDigs

[ryebread]

8 hours ago, Trooper York said:

I think you are all forgetting the most important fact about the Real Housewives  of New York. Carole is a worthless sack of crap that brings nothing to the table. She doesn't have a family just a fuck buddy from the junior department. She doesn't have a job. Or at least she doesn't work at it as she got fired from her last book deal. She isn't witty or kind or insightful or wise or even a drunken funny mess. She is just an aged out hipster douchenozzle who is polluting my screen. I only wish Aviva was still around to torment her to the point that she would hurl her dead husbands ashes  at her wooden leg while she was riding by in a cab. A drive by ash kicking so to speak.

Heather taught her about that. She learned it in prison. Until Carole dropped her for a better deal.

Geez, Trooper. I thought I was mostly alone in my intense dislike of Carole. LOL  Some thought I was a loon for saying that my dislike started with her bare feet up on the dashboard way back when she was a newbie.  But that single action was the first time I felt it >>>> that Carole was a big ol' poseur. Just the first of many, "Gee, look how precious I am", moments.  Bethenny is not stupid.  She has to see that, too.  When Bethenny says she doesn't like phonies, I believe her.  I fully expect Beth to turn on Carole shortly.

A snippet from this episode showed me a little of that.  It's a little thing, like feet on the dashboard but it's a foreshadowing for me.  Beth and Dorinda are on the bed.  Carole comes into the room, Beth is sprawled on the edge of the bed. Carole tries to sit down - she needs to squeeze between the night stand and Beth's leg to get on the bed.  She touches Beth's leg twice, like, "move over".  But Beth doesn't flinch.  You can see Carole finally sits down but she had to squeeze into the spot.  And once Carole is on the bed, you can see Beth hasn't moved a single muscle to accommodate her 'friend'.  Twas a little thing, but like feet on the dash, it told me something.

Beth won't budge for anybody.

[glowlights]

I watched this ep because a reviewer on Jezebel said it belongs in the Smithsonian.

And... WOWZERS. It was like the logical conclusion and grand denouement to all the nasty little rivalries and petty backstabbing I remember from seasons past, with Scary Island thrown in as foreshadowing. I think they should end the franchise here, with everyone locked in Dorinda's house on an endless loop of verbal bloodshed until they all die of exhaustion, while Sonja and her electrocuted vagina retreat to Grey Gardens and the sound of Jill Zarin cackling can be heard all the way from Long Island.

But can someone please rescue Ramona's poor dog?

P.S. I agree wholeheartedly with Dorinda that if no one can bidet themselves they should leave. Our home is also strictly WYOA (Wash Your Own Ass).

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

Geez, Trooper. I thought I was mostly alone in my intense dislike of Carole. LOL 

Nope right there with you. It all started when she took on the whole I'm just here to observe the experimental rats run through the maze and laugh while absolving the glaring detail that she too was in the maze. The arrogance hit my screen with serious force and from then I never really liked her. The stunt she pulled on Aviva made me really dislike her and then the bullshit from last season completely sealed the deal for me. Nasty nasty bitch in wolves clothing.

[Trooper York]

Actually a nasty nasty bitch in a bear suit.

[motorcitymom65]

 I wonder if this is still going to happen? She was tweeting and interviewing about this last season, right around the time the season began if memory serves. 

[jaync]

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Carole can be mad if she wants to be.  I would be, were I in her shoes.

Agreed, but I still don't understand how any of it gives Beth carte blanche to go off on Luanne. (Not saying that's your view.)

Luanne getting dicked on the regular doesn't affect Beth, so her saying she's sick over how Luanne lives her life was just absurd.

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Bethenny has looked dreadful this episode, and it's of course enhanced by her vile behavior and cokey plastic-titted insanity but STILL.

[islandgal140]

On 6/2/2016 at 1:40 PM, Grey Goose said:

Unpopular opinion here, but I like Dorinda, all her major faults not withstanding. She is a curious mix of the blue collar girl she grew up as and the now well off woman. She has great stylish taste in clothes and Best Buy taste in home decor. She watches Law and Order and House Hunters. She fondly remembers Pu Pu Platters (earlier episode). She goes from zero to 60, and back again, in a nanosecond. She makes things nice, damnit! 

For all these reasons, and more, she tickles me and out of all of them, I think she would be a good friend......as long as I remembered not to criticize her cake. 

I'm okay with Dorinda (even though I still slightly hold against her mistaking a black man in a shirt and tie for a coat check in a restaurant .... just because). I feel like I would be more okay with her if she didn't kowtow to Bethenny so much and held a more firm line with habitual line crosser Ramona. 

Anyone read B's blog? She really just can't help herself

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All kidding aside, everyone deserves to be happy, and I genuinely hope Luann is happy with Tom. No shade. She was with dozens of men this summer searching, and I really would be happy if she found the one.

No bitch. That is shade!! Seriously, she herself has claimed only to have seen Lu twice that summer, how the hell would she know it was dozens?!? Is there an easy access odometer on Lu's crotch that they monitor periodically to check her mileage? This is why I now see her TH about being embarrassed and sorry as bullshit because she pretty much slyly doubled down in her blog. 

Oh and I don't give too much credence to the story by her 'friend' that Lu walked up and said "me next" to Tom. How convenient. Does her 'friend' also have a spy camera planted on Lu's person that tells her she sleeps with dozens of men in the span of 3 months?

4 hours ago, ryebread said:

Geez, Trooper. I thought I was mostly alone in my intense dislike of Carole. LOL  Some thought I was a loon for saying that my dislike started with her bare feet up on the dashboard way back when she was a newbie.  But that single action was the first time I felt it >>>> that Carole was a big ol' poseur. 

Ugh!! I live on the East Coast and I know spring is a comin' when I start to see naked nasty feet propped up on dashboards or literally hanging out the passenger window. 

[zoeysmom]

Here is an interview with Luann about this episode for E! News:  http://www.eonline.com/news/771179/luann-de-lesseps-lets-loose-on-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-frenemies-bethenny-frankel-and-ramona-singer

[zoeysmom]

Luann called Bethenny out for dating a married man and claims Ramona was the one who wanted to date Tom.  They were just friends and she continued to text Tom after he and Luann started dating.  http://www.eonline.com/news/771179/luann-de-lesseps-lets-loose-on-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-frenemies-bethenny-frankel-and-ramona-singer

[jaync]

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Seriously, she herself has claimed only to have seen Lu twice that summer, how the hell would she know it was dozens?!?

It's reminiscent of Aviva, in how she had batshit tirades over stuff that didn't happen, and/or while she wasn't even present.

[LibertarianSlut]

9 hours ago, WireWrap said:

 Bethenny said that she didn't speak with Sonja at all during the summer, not just that she didn't "see" her but that she didn't speak with her either. 

With regard to Bethenny asserting that she didn't see Sonja over the summer, didn't B tell Ramona that she did see Sonja and Lu over the summer, and that Luann was as drunk as a nine (on a scale of 1-10), whereas Sonja was "like a twenty"? Bethy can't have it both ways, can she? Either she saw Sonja and Sonja was a drunken mess, or she didn't see Sonja, but surely not both?

Just to chime in with some of the other posters as of late--I, too, have an almost visceral, very strong dislike of Carole, and I have had it from very early on. I can't even put my finger on why it is 100%. It just seems like she is very shallow and phony, while espousing the exact opposite. Given a choice between her and Aviva, I'd take Aviva. I even think Carole is worse than Beth in many ways. Bethenny says out loud what Carole will mumble and giggle about behind the scenes. They are two sides of the same awful coin. 

I dislike Carole so much that she has done the impossible: she has caused me to become Team Luann. Luann was my least favorite Housewife, possibly across all of the franchises, by the S4 reunion, mostly because of the way she acted in Morrocco, and the way she seemed to think all of the women had a moral responsibility to be in her Chic C'est la Vie video shoot, but when Carole came on the scene in Season 5 and started antagonizing Luann for no ostensible reason, I switched sides. Now that some other posters have fleshed out Luann's past behavior, I'm starting to think that, yes, she had and has the capacity to be annoying and rude here and there, but in the greater scheme of things she's harmless, and, dare I even say mature and relatively normal. Now that they're all against Luann in the Berkshires, I'm firmly Team Luann, because I really can't stand a pile-up. 

[zoeysmom]

Bethenny is tweeting that she ran into Ramona and Luann' fiancé when they were at dinner (before Luann) and she could tell he was smitten with Ramona.   My question is has Bethenny ever seen this man before or since running into him with Ramona?  How long did Bethenny spend with Ramona on her date?  She really does know everything.  

[WireWrap]

5 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Bethenny is tweeting that she ran into Ramona and Luann' fiancé when they were at dinner (before Luann) and she could tell he was smitten with Ramona.   My question is has Bethenny ever seen this man before or since running into him with Ramona?  How long did Bethenny spend with Ramona on her date?  She really does know everything.  

Is she just trying to take the heat off of herself dating her friend of 20 years estranged husband by blowing smoke about Luann stealing Tom from Ramona? LOL Really, this is much about nothing because Ramona said that she/Tom only went out on a few dates and nothing came of it because he wasn't what Ramona was looking for. Being "smitten" does not mean that he was into her or wanted to take things further, it means he enjoyed her company at that dinner and nothing more. Bethenny is really reaching. LOL

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Luann called Bethenny out for dating a married man and claims Ramona was the one who wanted to date Tom.  They were just friends and she continued to text Tom after he and Luann started dating.  http://www.eonline.com/news/771179/luann-de-lesseps-lets-loose-on-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-frenemies-bethenny-frankel-and-ramona-singer

I flove this! Isn't Bethenny still technically married, and she is dating PUH-LENTY. Luann says in the interview that in the Daily Mail today (whatever day that was filmed) Bethenny is dating someone who is married! 

[Umbelina]

I think being separated for 3-4 years doesn't really count as "married" as obviously they are in the process of divorcing, no take back-sees.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

I hear ya. But who says the St Barths guy also wasn't in the process of divorcing?  Married is married! Bethenny! ha sry I cant' stand her. 

[Umbelina]

Just now, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I hear ya. But who says the St Barths guy also wasn't in the process of divorcing?  Married is married! Bethenny! ha sry I cant' stand her. 

Well, I think he was wearing a ring, or was it that one of the other guys told someone (Ramona?) that he was married, not divorcing or separated, married.

Still, Luann gets a pass from me on that one, she easily might not have known.  Maybe.

[zoeysmom]

4 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I hear ya. But who says the St Barths guy also wasn't in the process of divorcing?  Married is married! Bethenny! ha sry I cant' stand her. 

Luanne said she and the guy discussed their divorces.  I

Bethenny tweeted, "She is correct. she is dating a legally  married separated man and so perfect because I am legally married too!"

I wonder how the wife feels?  If she still wears her wedding band?

[motorcitymom65]

2 hours ago, N. Bluth said:

With regard to Bethenny asserting that she didn't see Sonja over the summer, didn't B tell Ramona that she did see Sonja and Lu over the summer, and that Luann was as drunk as a nine (on a scale of 1-10), whereas Sonja was "like a twenty"? Bethy can't have it both ways, can she? Either she saw Sonja and Sonja was a drunken mess, or she didn't see Sonja, but surely not both?

Just to chime in with some of the other posters as of late--I, too, have an almost visceral, very strong dislike of Carole, and I have had it from very early on. I can't even put my finger on why it is 100%. It just seems like she is very shallow and phony, while espousing the exact opposite. Given a choice between her and Aviva, I'd take Aviva. I even think Carole is worse than Beth in many ways. Bethenny says out loud what Carole will mumble and giggle about behind the scenes. They are two sides of the same awful coin. 

I dislike Carole so much that she has done the impossible: she has caused me to become Team Luann. Luann was my least favorite Housewife, possibly across all of the franchises, by the S4 reunion, mostly because of the way she acted in Morrocco, and the way she seemed to think all of the women had a moral responsibility to be in her Chic C'est la Vie video shoot, but when Carole came on the scene in Season 5 and started antagonizing Luann for no ostensible reason, I switched sides. Now that some other posters have fleshed out Luann's past behavior, I'm starting to think that, yes, she had and has the capacity to be annoying and rude here and there, but in the greater scheme of things she's harmless, and, dare I even say mature and relatively normal. Now that they're all against Luann in the Berkshires, I'm firmly Team Luann, because I really can't stand a pile-up. 

I didn't like the way that Carole acted towards Lu during her first season. I completely got what it was about Lu that irritated her, but Carole took it too far. It is actually the only time I disagreed with Carole. What I appreciated about the whole deal was that Carole just owned it. She later said that she didn't take the chance to get to know Lu, and that when she did, she liked her. She said she had been wrong. That's something you see far too rarely on these shows, and I totally dig it when I do. 

It's interesting the way that people tend to see Carole so differently. The thing that always sticks out to me is that the rest of the girls seem to really like her. Before the Lu deal (which I think that Lu made up in her own mind), she never had issues with anyone outside of Aviva. The rest of the cast talks glowingly about Carole. Sonja said on WWHL last season that Carole had been the most supportive of her during her ridiculous clothing launch. Dorinda has talked often about how kind she is. Ramona loves her. I know it is probably not the perfect way to judge them, but she is going on 4 seasons on the show, and I've never heard anyone say a bad word about her (except for crazy Aviva and Lu). The fact that they know her so well, and see how she acts away from the cameras, yet still find her to be a kind and supportive person says a lot in my mind. I know that others think that she doesn't have a mind of her own - that first Heather and later Beth - controlled her to a certain extent. I think it is exactly the opposite.  I found it fascinating that she was able to be friends with Ramona - and root for her and really like her = even when Heather was having issues with her. At the same time she didn't like Lu, even though Heather and Lu became close very quickly. Even last season when Dorinda was having issues with her BFF Heather, Carole was able to make up her own mind and get close enough to Dorinda to invite her to London with her. She seems to be able to decide for herself who she likes/doesn't like. That is such a rarity on these shows. 

[Nanny pants]

Jesus.  I just now had the chance to watch the episode.  Bethany is seriously unhinged.  And no one thought to call her in her atrocious behavior?  What a bunch of cowards.

[Souvlaki]

I'm just tired of everything being all 'cool'  when or once  a HW "owns her shit".   You mean when she cops up to what we can ALL see going on in our screens?  Just because these broads are notorious for their excuses and flat out denials in the face of the truth it isn't going to make me fall on my knees and gasp "ooh, how brave of you to have everything you have AND be SO honest, too!"  Lisa Rinna and her bs on BH about this didn't make me like her any more than LVP who is simply more skilled at dodging more bullets than her on TV and left her with no choice.  She might as well have been crying they she was upset LVP was more clever than she at dodging the bullets that she could not. 

So yeah, I know we'll be at the reunion where Bethenny will 'own everything' she's said or done, as she has, and I've never been impressed by that and nor will I ever be.   She still said it, and it was cold and vile and pretty cool much started with being annoyed about being teased about a haircut.  I don't think it's the whole story between them, but it doesn't give Bethenny any rights or passes to talk in the manner of the wolves she was supposedly raised by.  I guess she's bilingual this season, impressive.  Maybe she could have used that bark of hers to instruct the dogs to shit in the right places.  

Edited June 9, 2016 by Souvlaki

[izabella]

8 hours ago, Nanny pants said:

Jesus.  I just now had the chance to watch the episode.  Bethany is seriously unhinged.  And no one thought to call her in her atrocious behavior?  What a bunch of cowards.

They are very, very afraid of Bethy.  Otherwise, someone would have told her to just shut up and go to her room for a time out because she was frighteningly out of control.  I thought she would start speaking in tongues, demanding Gummi bears and jelly beans, and her head would spin around like a top before popping off her head.  Either that, or she'd burst a vein and start having seizures. 

That not one of them yelled at her to CALM DOWN, TAKE A XANAX, or LEAVE speaks to the enormous fear the cast has of her.

[tulip555]

On 6/2/2016 at 0:30 AM, gatopretoNYC said:

That is true. Somehow it seemed worse to me that Jules was telling Lu one on one, while on the phone, and that she was saying her father seemed incoherent.

Wasn't that the Pine Barrens, in NJ?

I don't drive, so could someone tell me how long a trip time-wise it is from NYC to the Berkshires? On the map, it looks like quite a shlep, compared to the Hamptons, the other popular RHONY vacay spot.

I was thinking the same thing!

Yep, the pine barrens

[bref]

Forgive me for asking, but how does putting bare feet up on the dashboard make somebody a poseur? 

Full disclosure: I like to put my bare feet up on the dash. Or even my shoed feet, although my husband yells at me when I do that because I leave dirt marks.

[HunterHunted]

On 6/1/2016 at 10:12 PM, Umbelina said:

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Forgive me for asking, but how does putting bare feet up on the dashboard make somebody a poseur? 

Full disclosure: I like to put my bare feet up on the dash. Or even my shoed feet, although my husband yells at me when I do that because I leave dirt marks.

It's not. This is just a some bitch eating crackers syndrome.

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Once you hate someone, everything they do is offensive. “Look at this bitch, eating those crackers like she owns the place.”

 

I apologize to Rahul and Umbelina. The only way I can post in this thread for unknown reasons is editing an old post.

On 6/1/2016 at 10:03 PM, Rahul said:

[bref]

LOL, thanks for answering. I guess I should specifically address my question to @ryebread, who made the original post and said that's what made her dislike Carol initially (otherwise I would probably have assumed it was indeed the "bitch eating crackers" thing) :)

[aradia22]

So great, B continues to be nasty to Luann for clearly pent up animosity and not anything that makes sense about what's happened at this present time.

It's a given that I hate Carole but her dig about Lu-man and the voice comments felt particularly gross. And also lame and tired. Like Carole. B's "single white drag queen" thing wasn't great either but that's just her usual coarseness. Not a joke she stole from the internet five years ago.

Ramona, Tom did not want you. Luann's in a relationship. You are still single. LET IT GO.

I don't think it means anything but really, B, can you not see that you have a very similar hairstyle to Luann and that obviously she had it first? You can't just babble your way to a win when you're wrong. (And she even admitted it later.)

I'm over them trying to slut shame Luann and actually she's been pretty open about her sex life this year so I don't know what B means about her hiding anything. Hey, girl's girl. Stop slut shaming. It has nothing to do with men. B is not a girl's girl for the way she treats other women. Sonja last week? Please. Girl's girl.

Shut up, Carole that this is all Luann's fault when it's clearly B provoking a fight.

So morbid but LOL at Jules trying to talk about her dad while Luann goes on about B.

The way B just jumps into laughing with Ramona and Carole is so much proof nothing about Luann set her off. She went into that looking for a fight. You don't get over things that quickly and easily.

"A bunch of girls giggling on a bed." Carole, you are NOT a girl. You are 50.

Oh my God, Ramona criticizing someone else's intelligence. I can't.

[FozzyBear]

Why is it Asain to bring games? I didn't even understand that one. Also stop with the weird Lu-man insults. It's really uncomfortable and borderline something. Transphobic? I don't know, it's just nasty and there are other ways to insult Luanne. Shut up, Carole.