S06.E19: Goodbye, Dubai

[homeperm]

Yolanda continually brings up her illness how could they not comment.  Yolanda's comment is friends and husbands move on.  My point is they were never really friends.  Kyle did support Yolanda's illness by leaving her family to go watch Yolanda get an award.  She invited Yolanda on her family vacation in Spain.  How much more does she want from Kyle?  When confronted Yolanda had to drop her complaint about LVP not coming to see her-someone she despises.  When at Camille's she let it be known that Brandi and Kim had done more for her than the rest of them combined (I guess Erika two freebie charters don't count).  Yolanda uses her illness, mental or other wise as a bludgeon.   She is lounging around in Bora Bora while her BFF lays dying in Paris, she leaves her ailing mother to go to Turkey for a week .  Maybe it is Yolanda speaking from her own position.  She just has no right to be the poster child for sick people whose friends have moved on.  Maybe she needs to be the poster child for the bad friend.

Zoeysmom-I can't help but break out into song. "Did you ever know that you're my hero?" Blah blah blah. I don't know the rest, except for "You're the wind beneath my wings."

[homeperm]

I lost my Mom less than a year ago to Alzheimer's. I miss her at a gutteral level, like it is actually physically painful at times. That call scene got to me, I'm not gonna lie.

As far as this ongoing war, I am staying somewhat neutral because too much of the fight details happened off camera. I have been reading everyone's comments and so many good points by all. the only thing I felt strongly about last night is that Yolanda is still smug and condescending.

As someone with a chronic disease, I cannot relate to this woman at all. Yes people need to get on with their lives. I love my family and friends and I don't want them to have to worry about me. I want the time they spend with me to be enjoyable. It helps me too. Plus if I need help from them, I can pick up the phone and request it. This works well because it gives them a chance to feel like they are helping me in a constructive way, and they are. That is one thing Yo needs to assume some responsibility for. She seems to think she never should have to reach out to anyone. People aren't mind readers.

And in memory of my wonderful Mom who always told me, there are a lot of good people in this world and all any of us has to do is reach out. Reach out Yo.

Yup. My best friend has an aggressive form of cancer. When she was first diagnosed we came to this understanding. Guess what? It works. It works for me, and more importantly, it works for her. We only talk about cancer when she brings it up. Her feeling is that she already has to devote a lot of time to thinking about it with appointments, treatments, meds, etc., so some days she just wants to shoot the shit and ignore it. I send her little treats in between, just to give her a little lift, but wallowing isn't her style. Yolanda has a different style, but she should have, at the very least, been upfront about what she expected from the other women. If I hung around my friend, wringing my hands and crying, that wouldn't help her at all. 

[JennyMominFL]

Yup. My best friend has an aggressive form of cancer. When she was first diagnosed we came to this understanding. Guess what? It works. It works for me, and more importantly, it works for her. We only talk about cancer when she brings it up. Her feeling is that she already has to devote a lot of time to thinking about it with appointments, treatments, meds, etc., so some days she just wants to shoot the shit and ignore it. I send her little treats in between, just to give her a little lift, but wallowing isn't her style. Yolanda has a different style, but she should have, at the very least, been upfront about what she expected from the other women. If I hung around my friend, wringing my hands and crying, that wouldn't help her at all. 

Yup, I just don't want to talk about it. I don't want to give it more control over my life than it has. I don't want it to become my identity. Frankly, when I get really sick I probably won't want people around. That's just not who I am. The idea of slowly losing my memory while my family watches me deteriorate, well It won't happen.  TBH,I  wouldn't  let it.

 "sick" is Yolanda's idenitty.

Edited April 7, 2016 by JennyMominFL

[lunastartron]

It's interesting to read the commentary on Lisa's nominal villainy and difficult, challenging, and unempathetic nature (as an aside, from my perspective, I think that the conclusions about the viewer tide turning against her is inaccurate; I recall season four being much worse for her in terms of viewer response - and her discomfort and efforts to play the victim much more pronounced) because I generally relate to her demeanor but find Eileen's behavior in this episode and since the beginning of the season chilling. Lisa is not "unempathetic" to me; she's just not conventionally warm per the paradigm deemed appropriate for women in Western culture. She clearly feels emotional resonance and invests the energy into maintaining friendships with former co-workers who will never be situationally useful to her again (Joyce, for example, who burned every bridge to production on her way out and would never want to rejoin the cast, imo). Her disposition to Taylor was completely understandable to me; Taylor was weird, sinister, and - lest we forget - initially targeting Lisa for a lawsuit before moving on to Camille. Yet she was Taylor's sole defender when Adrienne and Kyle, two of the most conventionally 'empathetic' cast members, decided to publicly eject Taylor from the Umansky premises. There contrast to Eileen's creepy expressions of "feeling" for Lisa couldn't be starker to me, especially considering Eileen has literally unraveled to the point of unintelligible grunting and screaming the past two broadcasts because Kyle didn't attack Lisa aggressively enough. If that's not bizarre and sick, I don't know what is. And it's even more disturbing in the context that Eileen herself said she she was going to drop her campaign for an apology - even though that's apparently not what she wants since she was snarling at Kathryn, hissing, strong-arm Kyle to disavow her friendship with Lisa, and otherwise trying to maul the object of her ire even after she got one - at the "ponies are in the wine cellar" supper and attributed the disagreement to foundational differences in disposition. Yet here we are over the course of the last two eps with Eileen breaking out to wrist slaps for her whipping girl Rinna and grunting, huffing, and vibrating in her seat like a toddler because her plan for a Lisa pileon has not come to fruition. But Eileen probably telegraphs more stereotypically "empathetic" to a lot of viewers than Lisa because she teared up at Kathryn's phone call with her mom . . . even though she was practically sneering at Kathryn when she defended Kim and shared her dad's history of alcoholism.

[KungFuBunny]

Brandi's talking head shot

 

Did she say if I wanted a rich old man to marry me and take care of me the rest of my life I could have done it SEVEN years ago?

Didn't her divorce from Eddie go through in late 2010?

7 years ago she was still married to him so what or who is she talking about?

 

Did I miss something?

 

 

[WireWrap]

Brandi's talking head shot

 

Did she say if I wanted a rich old man to marry me and take care of me the rest of my life I could have done it SEVEN years ago?

Didn't her divorce from Eddie go through in late 2010?

7 years ago she was still married to him so what or who is she talking about?

 

Did I miss something?

It is nothing more than Brandi rewriting her own BS stories once again. In her first book she says she was dating a much older, very wealth guy and she thought she  had an exclusive relationship with him and found out he did not want one (exclusive relationship) with her as he was seeing other women. LOL

[zoeysmom]

I completely understand not wanting to listen to Brandi, Kim or Yolanda. We've all formed camps regarding how we feel about Yolanda and the emphasis she chose to place on her illnesses, whatever they are. We haven't really seen a lot of Yolanda this season and that could be because of her saying she's ill and it could also be because her marriage was crumbling. It didn't matter that we didn't see her much because not many people like her, and actually sound like they hate her.

 

Despite all the tiresome beating the "I'm so sick" drum which everyone is very tired of hearing, she really hasn't spoken at all about her marriage, the necessity of giving up the house she loves, or the fact that she was also ordered to move out of David's expensive apartment and find her own place to live. Truthfully, that's a whole lot of 'stuff' for any person to go through in a few short years. But...and this is a huge one, but who else besides Brandi who asked her 'how is it going with David?' has asked Yolanda or shown the slightest bit of interest or concern about the fact that every aspect of her life, physical, emotional and material has been vaporized? To make matters worse, she's hated on social networks, she's shunned by the other housewives other that Erika, and she's been made to feel like a leper essentially. She felt she was 'dropped on the side of the road' by many people and she'll stick with Kim and Brandi because everyone else has done exactly that to them also.

 

I have never liked Yolanda in the past. I felt she was a gold digger that got her claws into one of the wealthiest, most  prestigious celebrities known in the music industry. But illness was a great leveler and a reality check for Yolanda. She realized that she's not the trophy wife that any rich guy wants, she knew she was going to be shunned and avoided by 'friends', she knew the invitations to events wouldn't be coming and basically she lost the prestige she once had. Other than living vicariously through her children, particularly Gigi, Yolanda is pretty much a non-entity in their world. I think Yolanda unsuspectingly learned a life lesson the hard way, 'there but for the grace of God go I'. I also think that she's probably one of the lucky rich housewives in many way because her days of living in a fantasy rich world has ended while the others will continue to exist within their own little shallow, narcissistic, selfish, self absorbed little worlds.

Yolanda and David finished the house and got married about six months before filming began and used the house as a backdrop for Yolanda's other Dutch housewives show.  While the show aired they put the house on the market for the first time.  So Yolanda losing her house was well planned out-0she and David were trying to make a killing off the exposure from RHOBH.  When it sold much, much later and not the year and half Yolanda stated it sold for $10 million less than the asking price.  Yolanda mentioned earlier last year the house was difficult to maintain and required quite a bit of staff.  David complained (outside the show) the drive to and from his job was pretty difficult and very long if they had to go into LA proper for dinner.  To me this wasn't some grand old family home it was a spec home built by two people hoping to make a killing.

 

As to Yolanda, she was the one who demanded "genuineness" and proclaimed the people of Beverly Hills weren't genuine.  She can't drag David around like some kind of yard gnome, and blow smoke up each others' butts about their journey and her apparently recovery,and then announce they have grown apart and put out these ridiculous press releases how much they love each other and respect each other.  Work through it, don't divorce then.  She faked it, for the cameras, the rest had read the reports they were leading separate lives.  I though it was a pretty big deal David co-chaired her vanity Lyme award and provided the entertainment.  So she should not be garnering sympathy from the others for not acknowledging the demise of her marriage and then elevating Brandi and Kim to the real friend level for them being there.  Can't BS the friends and then turn around and say they aren't there for you.  Maybe Yolanda had no desire to trek from one benefit to another while the masses paid homage to the great David. 

 

Yolanda amped up her daughters' modeling careers.  So she has no one to blame but herself for the added stress.  There are only so many times the press can reference Yolanda as a model, now she is a super model in reference to her daughters.  Move over Yo Sailor Brinkley Cook and Kaia Crawford Gerber are on the horizon-now those are daughters of super models and far more gorgeous.  So it is my glorious daughter and their mom's sad journey of Lyme Disease.

 

My problem with Lisar concerning her parents is not so much that she visits once a year (as she stated, and I know her father has since died), it's the "my mother no longer calls on my birthday", the " she suffered a stroke and has memory loss, so she doesn't call me", and the tears. Her mother is still alive. You can call people in assisted living and nursing homes. You can visit them. Her mother may no longer call, the roles may have shifted, but, her mother is still alive. If Lisar wants to talk to her mother she still can. It's totally up to her.

I swear last year on Rinna's birthday her mom called it was on camera nd then she proceeded to go Medford shortly thereafter.  I remember looking up her birthday to get a time frame when they were filming.  This year Rinna had a birthday party but it was two weeks before her calendar birthday.  So I guess her mom missed this year.  So again I think Rinna is bringing unnecessary drama into the situation.  I think all the ladies could have teared up just because it was sweet without having to personalize it.  Kyle was touched and her mother has died.  It is just Rinna take over the conversation.

[Sai]

 

 

So Rinna gets everyone to toast Kyle and Erika for the trip...thankfully Kyle piped up with "and Happy Birthday Kathryn" (something like that)

This confused me because why was Rinna toasting Erika for the trip?  I thought it was only Kyle who planned the trip.

[WireWrap]

This confused me because why was Rinna toasting Erika for the trip?  I thought it was only Kyle who planned the trip.

It was Kyle's "trip", not Erika's. I guess Eileen was able to get LisaR on the Erika Jayne "Love Train" right beside her.  LOL

[BlackMamba]

It is nothing more than Brandi rewriting her own BS stories once again. In her first book she says she was dating a much older, very wealth guy and she thought she had an exclusive relationship with him and found out he did not want one (exclusive relationship) with her as he was seeing other women. LOL

Brandi is without a doubt a gaslighter.

[Vicky8675309]

This confused me because why was Rinna toasting Erika for the trip?  I thought it was only Kyle who planned the trip.

 

I'm not sure, I think Erika helped plan it....IDK, I thought Bravo did it all....

[Mozelle]

Maybe it just boils down to the fact Eileen is on the show, not Vince. Not only that, the initial conversation was between LisaV and Eileen and Vince isn't the one demanding apologies then deeming the apology not good enough time and time again. LOL

Would were it that simple. Mauricio isn't on the show in any capacity more than the other husbands, and Lisa saw nothing of dragging him (and his business) into her beef with Kyle.

I don't think the comment was meant to promote that rhetoric. LVP is saying that Eileen won't let this go because she's insecure about her own behavior in the past and the optics of "affair" probably make her feel a lot more insecure than saying "I met my husband when he was married to someone else". She's basically saying that Eileen is treating the situation as though LVP asked the question as blunt and vulgar as the question she posed in her blog. So if she's going to do have to deal with such an extreme reaction to using the term "affair" then she might as well have just said not have bothered with any diplomacy because she would have suffered the same consequences anyhow.

I maintain that it does promote that rhetoric. Shaming women for doing the very thing that men do really isn't a radical thought. And as I pointed out above, Lisa has never been shy about bringing in a husband into her beef.

However, it really does play well with the "Woman thou art loosed" crowd to shame Eileen for doing the same thing Vince was doing--screwing around with someone who was married.

[RHJunkie]

But we are talking about a reality show. If they didn't engage when someone pissed them off or hurt their feelings, who would watch? As much as we all like to say we want more house, vacation and shoe porn, the truth is that drama drives the ratings. 

 

On WWHL a viewer asked (or maybe it was Andy) Kyle if she thought LVP had been bullied, as LVP has stated. Kyle said that "no", she hadn't been, and that the word was thrown around way too much in situations where it didn't apply (this might have been the smartest thing Kyle has ever said). She said that Eileen and Lisar were doing what they were supposed to do on the show, which was to talk about how they felt about things. This cuts to the heart of it. I get that lots of people don't agree with why they feel how they do, but they are paid to express all of this. 

I understand that they're paid to engage and express themselves, my general point was that if they can be bought to do such things, then it doesn't absolve them from blame or criticism. This is why Eileen's entire storyline is dramatic but whatever spotlight she wanted to shine on LVP's 'poor' behaviour, she has managed to shine one 10x brighter on her own 'poor' behaviour and it has resulted in a truth warrior persona that is so nauseating to listen or see anymore. 

[motorcitymom65]

Would were it that simple. Mauricio isn't on the show in any capacity more than the other husbands, and Lisa saw nothing of dragging him (and his business) into her beef with Kyle.

I maintain that it does promote that rhetoric. Shaming women for doing the very thing that men do really isn't a radical thought. And as I pointed out above, Lisa has never been shy about bringing in a husband into her beef.

However, it really does play well with the "Woman thou art loosed" crowd to shame Eileen for doing the same thing Vince was doing--screwing around with someone who was married.

Yes to all of this. I highly doubt that LVP would ever think of saying to Mohammed, "how did it feel to screw around with another woman when you were married to Yo". My guess is that she would find a way to defend whatever behavior he indulged in.

I understand that they're paid to engage and express themselves, my general point was that if they can be bought to do such things, then it doesn't absolve them from blame or criticism. This is why Eileen's entire storyline is dramatic but whatever spotlight she wanted to shine on LVP's 'poor' behaviour, she has managed to shine one 10x brighter on her own 'poor' behaviour and it has resulted in a truth warrior persona that is so nauseating to listen or see anymore.

Yes, but in the same way, LVP opened herself up to criticism by behaving in the way that she did. She no doubt understands that when you sign up for a reality TV show, and you behave in a way that pisses people off, they are going to express their feelings.

[RHJunkie]

Would were it that simple. Mauricio isn't on the show in any capacity more than the other husbands, and Lisa saw nothing of dragging him (and his business) into her beef with Kyle.

I maintain that it does promote that rhetoric. Shaming women for doing the very thing that men do really isn't a radical thought. And as I pointed out above, Lisa has never been shy about bringing in a husband into her beef.

However, it really does play well with the "Woman thou art loosed" crowd to shame Eileen for doing the same thing Vince was doing--screwing around with someone who was married.

 

Then why didn't she do the same for Scheana? Why bring attention to Mauricio if she wants to promote a rhetoric that suggests that only a mistress deserves scorn? LVP has been associating with many people who have been confirmed and/or accused of infidelity - both men and women. She has exhibited no particular pattern surrounding those situations that would fairly suggest that she's promoting a rhetoric of shaming the woman in the situation. Her comment may coincidentally be seen that way toward Eileen, but that far from makes it the intent of the comment. She was illustrating how ridiculously extreme she feels Eileen's reaction has been by also being extreme in her alternate commentary of the question. It's only making the reader consider that if you look at Eileen's behaviour, it actually seems a lot more fitting had LVP actually asked the question the way she did in her blog. That's the point of saying it to begin with. Eileen and Vince were already adults at the time. It may be unfair if he didn't get similar or more backlash than she got, but I wouldn't care if she did receive backlash - she did do something wrong after all. It doesn't seem like her career or personal life has been hugely affected by the affair and it probably helps that soap actors rank much lower on the celebrity list so not much attention was given to it. And if there was a lot of backlash, she managed herself well and came out of it with a family and continued career. 

Edited April 8, 2016 by RHJunkie

[Satchels of gold]

Thanks to all the posters for sharing their personal stories about their parents. You made me cry and call my own 80 year old mother who still takes yoga and dance classeses weekly. From years of working with families in an acute care setting if the adult children aren't around there is usually a good reason. Of course there are always the ungrateful A holes who are just selfish but I would say that's less then 10 percent. When Lisa talked last year about how infrequently she visits her parents I just assumed there were bad feelings ( abuse/neglect) of some sort . I'm afraid Lisa may just be one of those 10 percent.

[WireWrap]

Would were it that simple. Mauricio isn't on the show in any capacity more than the other husbands, and Lisa saw nothing of dragging him (and his business) into her beef with Kyle.

I maintain that it does promote that rhetoric. Shaming women for doing the very thing that men do really isn't a radical thought. And as I pointed out above, Lisa has never been shy about bringing in a husband into her beef.

However, it really does play well with the "Woman thou art loosed" crowd to shame Eileen for doing the same thing Vince was doing--screwing around with someone who was married.

Mauricio is on the show much more than Vince, much, much more so. Vince seems to stay away from the camera, especially when it comes to group events, more than most of the other husbands except for Foster, who only showed up on camera at events Yolanda "held" and now Tom. Vince has really only been seen one on one with Eileen and not at the couple events, not even the joint anniversary party this season.  

 

 

Yes to all of this. I highly doubt that LVP would ever think of saying to Mohammed, "how did it feel to screw around with another woman when you were married to Yo". My guess is that she would find a way to defend whatever behavior he indulged in.

Yes, but in the same way, LVP opened herself up to criticism by behaving in the way that she did. She no doubt understands that when you sign up for a reality TV show, and you behave in a way that pisses people off, they are going to express their feelings.

If either Vince or Mohammed put LisaV through the same BS game of demanding an apology, accepting it to her face then rejecting it time and time again while trying to turn the others against her at every turn, I am sure she would say the same about them in her blog. Lisa has been far more patient with trying to apologize and make amends that Eileen deserves at this point, far more then Eileen would have been had the roles been reversed.

[bravofan27]

LisaV will be friends with adulterers as long as they allow her to properly shame them. I think she more than shamed Sheena on that, making her apologize to Brandi and talking about it with her. Elieen is not having any of that though. I think LisaV definitely has a double standard with men, where she doesn't hold that against them. Probably her generation.

[princelina]

It's interesting to read the commentary on Lisa's nominal villainy and difficult, challenging, and unempathetic nature (as an aside, from my perspective, I think that the conclusions about the viewer tide turning against her is inaccurate; I recall season four being much worse for her in terms of viewer response - and her discomfort and efforts to play the victim much more pronounced) because I generally relate to her demeanor but find Eileen's behavior in this episode and since the beginning of the season chilling. Lisa is not "unempathetic" to me; she's just not conventionally warm per the paradigm deemed appropriate for women in Western culture. She clearly feels emotional resonance and invests the energy into maintaining friendships with former co-workers who will never be situationally useful to her again (Joyce, for example, who burned every bridge to production on her way out and would never want to rejoin the cast, imo). Her disposition to Taylor was completely understandable to me; Taylor was weird, sinister, and - lest we forget - initially targeting Lisa for a lawsuit before moving on to Camille. Yet she was Taylor's sole defender when Adrienne and Kyle, two of the most conventionally 'empathetic' cast members, decided to publicly eject Taylor from the Umansky premises. There contrast to Eileen's creepy expressions of "feeling" for Lisa couldn't be starker to me, especially considering Eileen has literally unraveled to the point of unintelligible grunting and screaming the past two broadcasts because Kyle didn't attack Lisa aggressively enough. If that's not bizarre and sick, I don't know what is. And it's even more disturbing in the context that Eileen herself said she she was going to drop her campaign for an apology - even though that's apparently not what she wants since she was snarling at Kathryn, hissing, strong-arm Kyle to disavow her friendship with Lisa, and otherwise trying to maul the object of her ire even after she got one - at the "ponies are in the wine cellar" supper and attributed the disagreement to foundational differences in disposition. Yet here we are over the course of the last two eps with Eileen breaking out to wrist slaps for her whipping girl Rinna and grunting, huffing, and vibrating in her seat like a toddler because her plan for a Lisa pileon has not come to fruition. But Eileen probably telegraphs more stereotypically "empathetic" to a lot of viewers than Lisa because she teared up at Kathryn's phone call with her mom . . . even though she was practically sneering at Kathryn when she defended Kim and shared her dad's history of alcoholism.

I agree with this, although I do believe LV is not good at empathy and it takes a little more for her than most to feel something - or show she feels something (for people :), but I'm not a warm fuzzy type of gal either - people appreciate me in a crisis bc I am practical and get things done, but good sympathy comes from others in the room.  The thing with Eileen is that she portrayed herself well last year as listener/problem resolver in a laid-back, California therapy-type mode, and I've found that when people present themselves as a certain way and are convincing, it takes other people some time to realize it once they show that they are full of shit.  For instance, at Erika's post-concert party AND Katherine's brunch the next morning, Eileen started the "Who told Yo" convo at both places, under the guise that "she needed closure"  (for what, may I ask, when you are not a part of any of this?)  But at the time a lot of people were agreeing that that's "just how Eileen is - she needs closure."  She's been pretty sloppy since then and IMO exposed herself, but she's still trying.  In Dubai she TH'd that HER relationship with the others were changed bc of LR, so that's why LR needed to confront.  (Once again - why should knowing one friend was annoyed with the other change your relationship with either of them unless you insert yourself into their beeswax?)  This is my long-winded way of agreeing with lunastartron in that I think Eileen's got a rep for empathy, but she is tarnishing it with her real personality.

[StevieRocks]

If the OC housewives went to Dubai, I have a feeling we would have seen them partake in the local attractions. They did so in Bali, Tajhti, whistler, etc. Maybe the BH women are wet blankets.

I agree that they're wet blankets...and morons. They have ZERO intellectual and cultural curiosity. And I just don't buy it that Bravo isn't showing them taking in the local color. They (especially that nitwit Rinna) are working for a living (as reality famewhores) and trying desperately to create 'drama.' They are so incredibly lame. I swear, if you gathered together a bunch of females from a factory in the middle of nowhere and took them to Dubai, they'd have more fun, see more sights,learn more, and take in more of the place than these stupid sows. They make me sick. I don't think there is any amount of money that I'd take to travel to a place like Dubai and sit around with a gaggle of menopausal hags nitpicking and arguing about manufactured bs like a bunch of illiterate trailer monkeys. Shameful. When they rode the elevator in the Burj Khalifa, they acted like someone were catapulting them into space."EEEK! This is scaaaaaary. I'm just a silly ol' ho who's sooooo scared of everything." The only time they look like they're not miserable is when they're in a shopping mall. How EMBARRASSING. That's the equivalent of only being happy when you're gobbling down a McDonald's value meal. A pig shopping at Chanel in a place like Dubai is no different to me than an ape clomping around in a dollar store in Butcher Holler, Kentucky. Boring. They have no excitement about things because they're not interested in ANYTHING except sitting around fighting like a bunch of rubes on the Jerry Springer show. How is anyone this DUMB and soulless?

[Rhetorica]

Interesting article on that very thing:

http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/04/04/eileen-davidson-lisa-rinna-from-fan-favorites-to-most-hated/

I don't agree that they are the most hated - hate is such a strong word - but they have definitely fallen out of fan favor!

I got up and got a snack...as far as I was concerned, it was another commercial.

Best line: "These stars have plummeted like Lymes thrown off the Burj Kalifa"

[zoeysmom]

Granted most people fast forwarded through the Brandi, Yolanda and Kim scenes, but on what planet does Kim let someone get away with telling her she should pick through Brandi's leftover men?  Watching these three was like watching insult therapy.  I can only imagine if LVP had suggested Kim take up with one of Brandi's cast offs.

[Rhetorica]

LisaV will be friends with adulterers as long as they allow her to properly shame them. I think she more than shamed Sheena on that, making her apologize to Brandi and talking about it with her. Elieen is not having any of that though. I think LisaV definitely has a double standard with men, where she doesn't hold that against them. Probably her generation.

Her generation? I'm not sure of her exact age, but I'm sure I'm of her generation. Men don't get a pass on adultery with us old geezers. You must be thinking of the generation before that didn't have the right to vote.

I think she had Sheena apologize to appease Brandi. Of course, I could be wrong on all counts.

[lunastartron]

I find this premise that Lisa's diction in a single, intoxicated question equates into a covert campaign to slut-shame notable because, if memory serves, last year there was quite vocal insistence that Heather Thomson sneering "you and I have very different values" over the question of a random trick's fearsomeness to LuAnn - as well as her subsequent media rounds in which she giggled with Carole on WWHL that "LuAnn will go with anyone" and proudly denounced Lu's promiscuity; her liaisons with attached sexual partners; and divulged as much dirty laundry as she could about the infamous pirate assignation - did NOT constitute an effort at shaming a woman for her sexuality. Eileen has spoken candidly about how she didn't approve of Vince's decision to not inform Betsy about his extramarital relationship with Eileen from its inception; she specifically contrasted her approach to her marriage with Jon in that respect to the tack adopted by Vince to his. She's thus herself situated on this very nationally televised show that she a) regarded the origins of her romance with her present husband as objectionable to some extent and b) pursued it anyway. And, you know, whatever - love is not always honorable by societal moral codes in its beginnings; the Van Pattens and Betsy and her children all seem like one big happy family, etc. But words mean things. "Affair" is as an baldly accurate a designation for what Eileen described as "you slept with a married man" (as an objective statements sans the literal moralizing about "ethics," "values," and laughter over the number of a woman's sexual partners) is to describe LuAnn's Caribbean fling. And of course Lisa would never prosecute Mohammed for his infidelities; staunchly defending the indefensible conduct of friends she judges loyal is a defining quality. She did it with Kyle prior to their schism late in season two; she did it with Brandi to her own detriment; if that's her pattern, it would be definitionally atypical for her to clutch her pearls at Mo over his side pieces.

[biakbiak]

Would were it that simple. Mauricio isn't on the show in any capacity more than the other husbands, and Lisa saw nothing of dragging him (and his business) into her beef with Kyle.

I don't get he comparison with Mauricio who she is friends with and known before the show with Vince who Lisa has met less than a handle full of times.

[BlackMamba]

"How dare LVP call me a C-List Actress! I won SOD Awards for hottest female and best couple" - Basically Lisa R.

[DebbieM4]

My problem with Lisar concerning her parents is not so much that she visits once a year (as she stated, and I know her father has since died), it's the "my mother no longer calls on my birthday", the " she suffered a stroke and has memory loss, so she doesn't call me", and the tears. Her mother is still alive. You can call people in assisted living and nursing homes. You can visit them. Her mother may no longer call, the roles may have shifted, but, her mother is still alive. If Lisar wants to talk to her mother she still can. It's totally up to her.

 

That's exactly how I see it too.

[DebbieM4]

I don't get he comparison with Mauricio who she is friends with and known before the show with Vince who Lisa has met less than a handle full of times.

 

I don't think it's comparable either.

 

And also, LisaV's gripe is with Eileen.  She didn't have a conversation with Vince that resulted in him badgering her repeatedly for an apology worded exactly the way he wanted it to be.  Eileen is the one who did that, and Eileen is the one who LisaV is addressing in her blog.  I don't think that means she thinks it's okay for men to have affairs, but not women.  I don't think that was the point of what she wrote at all.  Her focus - as is the case with all of their blogs - is on the other HW's and her impressions of what was said/done on the most recent episode.

[BlackMamba]

So which one is Soapy and which is Sudsy between Rinna and ED

[Mozelle]

I don't get he comparison with Mauricio who she is friends with and known before the show with Vince who Lisa has met less than a handle full of times.

The explanation for the comparison was in the piece you quoted. Someone suggested that LVP didn't bring up Vince because he's not a HW and LVP's beef is with Eileen. I was pointing out that these details didn't stop LVP before when she had beef with Kyle. LVP gladly put Mauricio's name in it. That's what the comparison is.

Anyway, I'm really commenting on how gender biases (much like racial biases) are often subconscious.

As in people may not say "Of course, it's OK for a man to cheat" but knowledge of a woman cheating draws very interesting (read: harsher) responses.

I'm off of it now. I was only initially noting how LVP didn't seem to have any fucks to give when she wrote what she wrote in her blog. I was simply pondering whether that would ever extend to calling out Vince--a man--the way she called out Eileen--a woman. I wanted to know, based on that particular blog post, whether they'd already taped the reunion because I wanted to see LVP and Eileen rumble (lol, sorry but I do) and wondered whether LVP would have the gumption to take it to Vince on that stage the way she brought up Maurico's name on that stage.

What's funny about my posts on the subject is that I don't really even care for Eileen. When folks were raving about her last season, I was pretty much like, "Girl, I guess." It's just that the reactions to her having an affair--she, married; the man she was cheating with, also married--fascinate me is all.

Edited April 8, 2016 by Mozelle

[motorcitymom65]

I find this premise that Lisa's diction in a single, intoxicated question equates into a covert campaign to slut-shame notable because, if memory serves, last year there was quite vocal insistence that Heather Thomson sneering "you and I have very different values" over the question of a random trick's fearsomeness to LuAnn - as well as her subsequent media rounds in which she giggled with Carole on WWHL that "LuAnn will go with anyone" and proudly denounced Lu's promiscuity; her liaisons with attached sexual partners; and divulged as much dirty laundry as she could about the infamous pirate assignation - did NOT constitute an effort at shaming a woman for her sexuality. Eileen has spoken candidly about how she didn't approve of Vince's decision to not inform Betsy about his extramarital relationship with Eileen from its inception; she specifically contrasted her approach to her marriage with Jon in that respect to the tack adopted by Vince to his. She's thus herself situated on this very nationally televised show that she a) regarded the origins of her romance with her present husband as objectionable to some extent and b) pursued it anyway. And, you know, whatever - love is not always honorable by societal moral codes in its beginnings; the Van Pattens and Betsy and her children all seem like one big happy family, etc. But words mean things. "Affair" is as an baldly accurate a designation for what Eileen described as "you slept with a married man" (as an objective statements sans the literal moralizing about "ethics," "values," and laughter over the number of a woman's sexual partners) is to describe LuAnn's Caribbean fling. And of course Lisa would never prosecute Mohammed for his infidelities; staunchly defending the indefensible conduct of friends she judges loyal is a defining quality. She did it with Kyle prior to their schism late in season two; she did it with Brandi to her own detriment; if that's her pattern, it would be definitionally atypical for her to clutch her pearls at Mo over his side pieces.

This is what LVP said in her blog about Eileen:

 

"With hindsight, after seeing so much nastiness where I have never retaliated, I would have asked her how she felt screwing some other woman's husband. That actually, in retrospect, speaks volumes."

 

If this is how LVP feels about women who sleep with married men, I have zero problem with it. That puts her exactly where Brandi is. Of all the issues I had with Brandi, the fact that she had an issue with women who do such a thing, isn't one of them. 

 

The thing is, I don't think that LVP feels this way. She is simply saying it because Eileen got to her. People have mentioned the Scheana deal. LVP didn't understand Brandi's long-term anger toward Scheana - a girl who didn't just sleep with a married man, she slept with Brandi's married man. LVP defended her in saying that the affair had been a long time ago, Scheana had made a mistake. Sure, she said that she had been wrong to do it, but she didn't think it should define her. She shouldn't continue to be judged based on this thing. At the S4 finale party when Brandi cried about how hurt she was because LVP brought her around, LVP minimized it, specifically disagreeing with Brandi when Brandi tried to make the point that in sleeping with a married man Scheana was a terrible person. LVP didn't think that this one component of her character defined her whole character. And I will say again that I strongly believe that LVP would never say that the fact that Mohammed fucked around on Yo "speaks volumes" about who he is. She is doing what she always does, which is play to the current public opinion. She reads the forums and pays close attention. She sees what people are saying and she is going with it, despite probably believing something different. It is the easiest way to knock Eileen down for daring to tell LVP what she thinks of her. 

 

And of course there would be the obvious: If LVP does indeed feel this way about women sleeping with married men, then it could easily be inferred that she was trying to get Eileen to talk about something uncomfortable on camera in detail so that she looked not quite so perfect. She was quite the fan favorite at the end of last season, even despite people knowing this. The argument could be made that LVP wanted to remind folks of all the reasons maybe Eileen wasn't so likable after all. There can only ever be one Queen on this show. 

Edited April 8, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[Yours Truly]

A three figure pay check would be $9.99 at the max.   Combine the two and it would be $19.98. 

 

I think Lisar has a lot  faults and this issue with her mom is at the crux of her personality.  STFU, don't whine about not seeing your mother enough, it is doable.  It was nice she gave credit to her sister but none of us would even be commenting if had not been for her making the statements and vomiting up her guilt.  Same with the hairdresser and the "guilt" she felt for engaging in chatter.  She just needs to STFU. Both situations could easily have been left off camera. I can understand not wanting to leave my husband and daughters at home to go and visit mom.  She is taking away from her primary responsibility which is taking care of her daughters.  At some point in the relationship Rinna chose to move far away from mom and dad, so it involves air travel or a good 15 hour ride one way.  Again we do not know if her parents, before their health went into decline regularly visited her.  This may have been something in the making for the past two years when her parents' health declined.   I just think Rinna overshares. 

My point really focused on the whole "she's working" argument. Hey LisaR can have whatever reasons for not visiting I just think that the idea that when she does travel it's for work so it excuses her for not scheduling some of ALL that traveling to go see them to be lame. If that's the angle used to excuse her not seeing them then it doesn't fly with me. Other excuses being put forward aside from "well when she travels she travels for work so it's not fair to say she's able to travel to Dubai and Mexico but she can't travel to see her parents" is fine by me. 

[Yours Truly]

What were the other women supposed to do, though? She says she was bed-ridden and unable to function. Were the others supposed to sit vigil at her bedside while she slept? They have jobs, businesses, and families. Were they supposed to abandon all of that to be with Yolanda? Yolanda has a family and staff. I will never understand her attitude that she is owed anything. None of us are. I believe that people reap what they sow.

But the idea of such extremes proves a point. Look we don't actually know just how present the other women were. And even if Yolanda wasn't "taking visitors" or whatever. A card, a text, a phone call once in awhile. That's my point and we don't know how often or how many genuine attempts there were from these women. Them saying they texted her could mean anything from everyday to once and done. I have no idea whether it was one or 3 in a 4 month period. Who knows. They throw around their "attempts" like we can truly gauge the effort by a few comments made by them. I have no idea whether or not these women were showering her with attention or not but I'm not inclined to act like there isn't some truth to what Yolanda is claiming because that's actually what happens more often than not. I find it easy to believe that the other women were on the surface in contact but not really and not really too invested. Which hey that's fine too.

 

I think Yolanda's biggest gripe is that they have the nerve to be all involved and curious and have all these opinions about her her illness how she displays it on instagram whether her children are ill what Mohammed says about it and yet they've not bothered to ACTUALLY be invested like people this involved in her business should be. If they are on the sidelines then stay there and keep your mouth shut. If you want to be involved and  have questions then come to me about it. Did any of the women truly go talk to Yolanda about their concerns or opinions about what else they thought might be going on? Did anyone go and sit with her to offer up their own advice or theories? I mean for women to be this analytical over someones health at least go to her and have a friendly discussion about your concerns and ideas about her health. Shit, even over in the OC people were offering up Drs. and ideas for Brooks in the beginning when they heard. These women were just side eyeing shit without any real connection or true conversation about it all. The only conversations they started having with Yolanda aside from when Yolanda dropped the bomb about the kids were laced with animosity because those conversations were about Yolanda addressing them and them talking behind her back. By then any friendly concern is too little too late cause their "concern" was then used as an excuse and a defense. Which I honestly thought was a slap in the face.

 

I hate the idea that when someone just needs support and friendship that they are the ones demanding too much. When in all actuality it really takes two seconds to shoot out a "thinking of you text" every few days and with a follow up phone call once in awhile.  And when you want to really be lazy a card or flowers once in a blue. But what's most important is consistency. I love how people act like these small gestures are asking for too much cause ya know people have a life. You expect people to drop everything and cater to you? These gestures LITERALLY take a few seconds to a few minutes of your time EVERY SO OFTEN not all day every day. People just don't want to put forth the effort and look for excuses to justify that they just can't be bothered.

Edited April 8, 2016 by Yours Truly

[Yours Truly]

I've got to sort of disagree with this. I was diagnosed with HIV 26 years ago, and let me tell you many people jumped ship. And I wasn't even sick. They just simply couldn't deal. Some of them did come back years later and apologize. That's just life. I really don't think it's new

No it isn't new which is why I don't get why people are so confused about why Yolanda feels the way she does. Just because it should be expected doesn't mean it still isn't painful and you know what doesn't make right. Also, did the friends that faded away continue to have in depth analytical discussions about your illness? I think it boils down to this. If you want to shift away and not give a damn about me anymore then don't. Fade away and keep my situation out of your mouth cause it adds insult to injury that you're not invested in me but still use me as conversation fodder. That's just downright wrong. Reality show or not.

[Yours Truly]

I don't think it's comparable either.

 

And also, LisaV's gripe is with Eileen.  She didn't have a conversation with Vince that resulted in him badgering her repeatedly for an apology worded exactly the way he wanted it to be.  Eileen is the one who did that, and Eileen is the one who LisaV is addressing in her blog.  I don't think that means she thinks it's okay for men to have affairs, but not women.  I don't think that was the point of what she wrote at all.  Her focus - as is the case with all of their blogs - is on the other HW's and her impressions of what was said/done on the most recent episode.

Its funny how her dig turned into all this.

 

Lisa V was taking a nasty dig at Eileen. That's all there was too it. It was a good one too.

[MatildaMoody]

 

. Did any of the women truly go talk to Yolanda about their concerns or opinions about what else they thought might be going on? Did anyone go and sit with her to offer up their own advice or theories?

 

Yes, Kyle did. And when Kyle offered up her own experience with depression, Yolanda dismissed it as her disease being more than "just depression" as though depression weren't a serious illness. 

[zoeysmom]

This confused me because why was Rinna toasting Erika for the trip?  I thought it was only Kyle who planned the trip.

It came off initially as if Erika was suppose to be part of the hostess duties, but she seems to be the one who wants to be waited on.  She has zip in the way of personality.  All she did was complain about how bad the trip except when she had her glam quad catering to her.

[RHJunkie]

It came off initially as if Erika was suppose to be part of the hostess duties, but she seems to be the one who wants to be waited on.  She has zip in the way of personality.  All she did was complain about how bad the trip except when she had her glam quad catering to her.

I'm confused. I was under the impression that Bravo takes care of these trips and the women just pretend that one or more of the women are responsible for 'arranging' everything just to make it seem organic and not manufactured. Do the women actually get involved in the planning process?

[zoeysmom]

I'm confused. I was under the impression that Bravo takes care of these trips and the women just pretend that one or more of the women are responsible for 'arranging' everything just to make it seem organic and not manufactured. Do the women actually get involved in the planning process?

I think they are clued in in advance about the travel and accommodations, and activities.  It seemed to me a little like Mauricio might have greased the skids for production to score the Atlantis connection.  To me, it just means that Kyle probably had a sit down (instead of the entire cast) about  the arrangements and expectations.  I think the same could be said for the trip to Italy.  Lisa and Ken changed their London plans and decided to continue their vacation and not be filmed.  I guess Erika didn't get the memo she was to co-host.  She and Kyle obviously scored the largest and most luxurious suites.  Erika just seemed so much more focused on the glam squad than the other women.  It was nice for her to share with Kathryn, but all in all, I think the other women were unimpressed with her need to bring a glam squad.  Off topic-why does it take three people?  I would think she could find someone who could do hair and make-up.  What does the third guy do?  

[Mozelle]

This is what LVP said in her blog about Eileen:

 

"With hindsight, after seeing so much nastiness where I have never retaliated, I would have asked her how she felt screwing some other woman's husband. That actually, in retrospect, speaks volumes."

 

If this is how LVP feels about women who sleep with married men, I have zero problem with it. That puts her exactly where Brandi is. Of all the issues I had with Brandi, the fact that she had an issue with women who do such a thing, isn't one of them. 

 

The thing is, I don't think that LVP feels this way. She is simply saying it because Eileen got to her. People have mentioned the Scheana deal. LVP didn't understand Brandi's long-term anger toward Scheana - a girl who didn't just sleep with a married man, she slept with Brandi's married man. LVP defended her in saying that the affair had been a long time ago, Scheana had made a mistake. Sure, she said that she had been wrong to do it, but she didn't think it should define her. She shouldn't continue to be judged based on this thing. At the S4 finale party when Brandi cried about how hurt she was because LVP brought her around, LVP minimized it, specifically disagreeing with Brandi when Brandi tried to make the point that in sleeping with a married man Scheana was a terrible person. LVP didn't think that this one component of her character defined her whole character. And I will say again that I strongly believe that LVP would never say that the fact that Mohammed fucked around on Yo "speaks volumes" about who he is. She is doing what she always does, which is play to the current public opinion. She reads the forums and pays close attention. She sees what people are saying and she is going with it, despite probably believing something different. It is the easiest way to knock Eileen down for daring to tell LVP what she thinks of her. 

 

And of course there would be the obvious: If LVP does indeed feel this way about women sleeping with married men, then it could easily be inferred that she was trying to get Eileen to talk about something uncomfortable on camera in detail so that she looked not quite so perfect. She was quite the fan favorite at the end of last season, even despite people knowing this. The argument could be made that LVP wanted to remind folks of all the reasons maybe Eileen wasn't so likable after all. There can only ever be one Queen on this show. 

 

LVP is nothing if not consistent. 

[RHJunkie]

I think they are clued in in advance about the travel and accommodations, and activities.  It seemed to me a little like Mauricio might have greased the skids for production to score the Atlantis connection.  To me, it just means that Kyle probably had a sit down (instead of the entire cast) about  the arrangements and expectations.  I think the same could be said for the trip to Italy.  Lisa and Ken changed their London plans and decided to continue their vacation and not be filmed.  I guess Erika didn't get the memo she was to co-host.  She and Kyle obviously scored the largest and most luxurious suites.  Erika just seemed so much more focused on the glam squad than the other women.  It was nice for her to share with Kathryn, but all in all, I think the other women were unimpressed with her need to bring a glam squad.  Off topic-why does it take three people?  I would think she could find someone who could do hair and make-up.  What does the third guy do?  

Oh okay, that makes sense.

Maybe the third guy picks her outfits?. I get someone who can do your hair...but if you can't leave your house without someone doing your make up and telling you what to wear...to me that sounds like prison. Then again, I dress for my mood, not for fashion. I won't wear something to look good if I don't feel good in it.  

 

You're right though, she paid more attention to her glam squad than she did the other women. I know Erika has admitted that she doesn't have many friends and she's hard egg to crack, but even with Yolanda who is supposed to be a good friend of hers, I don't see a natural ease and level of comfort between the two of them. Perhaps if you want to have a lighthearted relationship with Erika the trick is to have her employ you because it seems like the only people she seems natural around are all the people she pays to be around her.  

[WireWrap]

This is what LVP said in her blog about Eileen:

 

"With hindsight, after seeing so much nastiness where I have never retaliated, I would have asked her how she felt screwing some other woman's husband. That actually, in retrospect, speaks volumes."

 

If this is how LVP feels about women who sleep with married men, I have zero problem with it. That puts her exactly where Brandi is. Of all the issues I had with Brandi, the fact that she had an issue with women who do such a thing, isn't one of them. 

 

The thing is, I don't think that LVP feels this way. She is simply saying it because Eileen got to her. People have mentioned the Scheana deal. LVP didn't understand Brandi's long-term anger toward Scheana - a girl who didn't just sleep with a married man, she slept with Brandi's married man. LVP defended her in saying that the affair had been a long time ago, Scheana had made a mistake. Sure, she said that she had been wrong to do it, but she didn't think it should define her. She shouldn't continue to be judged based on this thing. At the S4 finale party when Brandi cried about how hurt she was because LVP brought her around, LVP minimized it, specifically disagreeing with Brandi when Brandi tried to make the point that in sleeping with a married man Scheana was a terrible person. LVP didn't think that this one component of her character defined her whole character. And I will say again that I strongly believe that LVP would never say that the fact that Mohammed fucked around on Yo "speaks volumes" about who he is. She is doing what she always does, which is play to the current public opinion. She reads the forums and pays close attention. She sees what people are saying and she is going with it, despite probably believing something different. It is the easiest way to knock Eileen down for daring to tell LVP what she thinks of her. 

 

And of course there would be the obvious: If LVP does indeed feel this way about women sleeping with married men, then it could easily be inferred that she was trying to get Eileen to talk about something uncomfortable on camera in detail so that she looked not quite so perfect. She was quite the fan favorite at the end of last season, even despite people knowing this. The argument could be made that LVP wanted to remind folks of all the reasons maybe Eileen wasn't so likable after all. There can only ever be one Queen on this show. 

I don't think Lisa feels this way about women who have an affair. What I think she is saying that had she asked Eileen something like that, she would have expected/deserved the outrage from Eileen that she got all season. The fact of the matter was that she did not ask that, or anything close to it but got the same reaction from Eileen All. Season. Long.

[ElDosEquis]



. A pig shopping at Chanel in a place like Dubai is no different to me than an ape clomping around in a dollar store in Butcher Holler, Kentucky. Boring. 

Right off the 41!!!!!!!

[Yours Truly]

Yes, Kyle did. And when Kyle offered up her own experience with depression, Yolanda dismissed it as her disease being more than "just depression" as though depression weren't a serious illness. 

Was that within a conversation that was initiated because of the hard feelings over Yolanda hearing about her being discussed? (I honestly don't remember) Any discussion Yolanda had with them after that wasn't going to be productive. Especially umpteen months later and with a camera crew.

I don't think Lisa feels this way about women who have an affair. What I think she is saying that had she asked Eileen something like that, she would have expected/deserved the outrage from Eileen that she got all season. The fact of the matter was that she did not ask that, or anything close to it but got the same reaction from Eileen All. Season. Long.

.... so she may as well have said it considering she's reaping the wrath of Ms. Davidson.  I wish she had. Might as well.

[This2getsold]

 

 

Would were it that simple. Mauricio isn't on the show in any capacity more than the other husbands, and Lisa saw nothing of dragging him (and his business) into her beef with Kyle.

 

How many years ago was this? I barely remember this happening, and remember nothing of what was actually said.  Early on in the series Mauricio (along with Ken etc.) was on the show a lot more than any of them now.  Go back and actually watch the show in earlier seasons. Apples to Oranges. 

I maintain that it does promote that rhetoric. Shaming women for doing the very thing that men do really isn't a radical thought. And as I pointed out above, Lisa has never been shy about bringing in a husband into her beef.

However, it really does play well with the "Woman thou art loosed" crowd to shame Eileen for doing the same thing Vince was doing--screwing around with someone who was married.

 

Realize to a certain crowd, married people are open game. Never seen a couple who cheated with each other, got married, and it worked out well. Once a cheater, always a cheater.     

 

Neither married person who cheats gets a pass. But for certain crowds they choose to see it that way, so be it.  

 

 

  

[MatildaMoody]

Was that within a conversation that was initiated because of the hard feelings over Yolanda hearing about her being discussed? (I honestly don't remember) Any discussion Yolanda had with them after that wasn't going to be productive. Especially umpteen months later and with a camera crew.

This was one of the very early conversations that Kyle had with Yolanda and Ericka. It was the conversation where Yolanda revealed the non-Gigi's were also diagnosed with Chronic Lyme.

[bravofan27]

Unfortunately, the only thing Yolanda is bringing awareness to is Munchasen Disorder. I feel like this whole Lyme thing is a dream I've had after eating too many tacos before bed.

 

I hope Erika comes back next season, Yolanda will return because of her famous children which brings in a new demographic of viewers, but it's hard to say if Bravo will be afford to pay the children for their appearances now they are "stars." Kyle and Lisa will return, because, IMO, they are the foundation of the show. Heard Rinna was not coming back, would love that. I think Elieen will return as well. Kathryn I believe is already fated off. 

[RHJunkie]

Yes, but in the same way, LVP opened herself up to criticism by behaving in the way that she did. She no doubt understands that when you sign up for a reality TV show, and you behave in a way that pisses people off, they are going to express their feelings.

My point wasn't excluding LVP on that list. They all gossip, instigate and poke their noses in matters that have nothing to do with. And yes, they can all express their feelings but when you raise your voice, stomp away, etc. you're acting a fool and only putting the spotlight on yourself.

[ElDosEquis]

I lost my dad (which was part of my 6 months in hell) right after 9/11. He had dementia and lost his leg the week before he passed away. He died on Halloween and we buried him the day before my birthday, two days before HIS birthday. Two months later my GF told me she had pancreatic cancer and she passed away two months after that. Until that time, I always cringed when I heard people talk about people 'being in a better place/situation'. 

[LIMOM]

Unfortunately, the only thing Yolanda is bringing awareness to is Munchasen Disorder. I feel like this whole Lyme thing is a dream I've had after eating too many tacos before bed.

 

I hope Erika comes back next season, Yolanda will return because of her famous children which brings in a new demographic of viewers, but it's hard to say if Bravo will be afford to pay the children for their appearances now they are "stars." Kyle and Lisa will return, because, IMO, they are the foundation of the show. Heard Rinna was not coming back, would love that. I think Elieen will return as well. Kathryn I believe is already fated off.

Why would Rinna leave?

She has two daughters to get situated and she is a working horse.

The producers would be idiots to let her go as she brings it.